Who's ready for Hal to get a little crazy and become the lovable scamp we know as Parallax
Space Bugs are what's wrong with this country we need a man like Sinestro in charge
Well just like that burger you ordered with no onions
I always forget how big an asshole the guardians were
So did they ever explain why they changed all this parallax stuff to lol space bug
yeah it was originally supposed to be a six issue arc by Gerard Jones that was completely different (they even solicited GL 48 initially with his synopsis, that's how last minute ET was) but he'd had a rough time with the editor Dooley the entire time he was on GL so he left at the last minute and Marz did ET instead
>Was the white streak in his hair ever explained before Johns said "parallax fear monster obviously turns tour hair white"
It was a great look, hal looked really good, but he was getting old, that's it.
Johns is a coward that didnt want to handle the guilt of Hal. Jusr "i dindu, but i feel bad about it, now i'm a leaguer".
>Johns is a coward that didnt want to handle the guilt of Hal
lol would you seriously want ten more years of "abloo bloo I feel real bad about Parallax" because he already spent the ten years in between ET and Rebirth crying about it a lot
if they didn't retcon this shit out you'd still get autists today complaining that they let a crazy murderer rejoin the JL
So is this an all time high for the guardians dickery or is this a just a usual thing with them
>if they didn't retcon this shit out you'd still get autists today complaining that they let a crazy murderer rejoin the JL
Why let him rejoin?
Kyle was better in the league, and Hal was better in the corps.
Keep Hal Space oriented and forgiven by the corps. Almost everything good from his comeback does not related to the league, you could had the same events. And more important HAL LIED. He created parallax, he reshaped history and created the spacebug to excuse himself.
The point was the the greatest hero would suffer the greatest fall. Not the "Hal i want to suck your cock" you see later. Johns is a really literal person in general.
You finally did it Hal you defeated Sinestro oh wait it was just an energy construct
He wasnt always boring, but hal is a character that depends too much on his interactions with others. Retarded Hal, and Space Police Hal were always good. Johns take on the character was pretty bad after rebirth, but at least all the other aditions to the GL universe were worth it (even if Kyle and Guy had to pay the price). One of the problems with John's hal is that the character is pretty flat by modern standards, he is too much han solo, but also misses his dad, King's one shot was the best hal i has seen since the Parallax days. One of the problems with Hal was that Kyle and Guy went trought 15 years of development and grow a lot, while Hal journey as a villian, fallen hero, and then as spectre was really slow so he didnt had time to be developed in the same way, and then when Johns bring back the character what we got was a Hal that was not longer guilty, he felt bad but since he was not guilty all his journey was invalidaded and we got an 80's character that pretended to be Han Solo so he felt bland, even when the comics were really good.
>even if Kyle and Guy had to pay the price
they had to be in a great GLC run together? oh no how awful!
I don't agree at all that Johns' Hal was flat. At times, maybe, but in general no.
>while Hal journey as a villian, fallen hero, and then as spectre was really slow so he didnt had time to be developed in the same way
He got a lot of development as the Spectre, but it was clearly never going to last.
And so begins the Kyle era, anyway its been good but that's the end
then Hal shows up and dicks around a couple more times as Parallax after that fails, then he kills himself/heroically sacrifices himself in Final Night, then he's dead for a while until the Spectre goes crazy and he volunteers to be the new host
Kyle learns how to use the ring, dicks around with his girlfriend for a little bit, dicks his girlfriend for a little bit, and dicks off for a little bit after she gets stuffed into a fridge. At least he took it better than Hal though. And I think it crosses over with superman once.
Oh and Major Force wants to know what's up with a glowing green rock. Turns out, it forms Kyle's battery, just as his ring runs out.
they way Hal became a vilain is terrible but i liked him more as that one main hero who turned evil.i like johns run alot but i feel that its mostly due to Sinestro rather than Hal.
We've seen the beginning of Parallax so we may as well see the end
The ONLY GL that had ANY business in the League was Guy Gardner. Dude was the ONLY GL with ANY chemistry with the rest of the Big Guns that was worth a damn. Kyle's whole bit was being the rookie and McDuffie made John Stewart into such an unlikable Mary Sue that it rendered him even MORE radioactive that they had to create Simon Baz as a replacement black Green Lantern.
were they evil at any point I know they where assholes but evil?
Fun fact: the backlash against Hal turning evil was so great that after the Parallax View two parter (IIRC GL #62-63) and the 1995 GL Annual, the character was declared off-limits. Especially after the Year One annual happened, which had Hal single handedly go back in time to save Alex/beat Major Force while Kyle got his shit kicked in by one of Hal's earliest joke villains. A story that got snuck by DC editorial*, who were pissed off Kyle was made to look like a loser.
*Marz wrote the annual basically to try and get Hal fans to leave him alone via giving them what they wanted, a story where Hal got to upstage Kyle and rub his nose in it. Needless to say, it put an end to him being allowed usage of Hal for a while.
And hell, Hal only died in Final Night because of blackmail/a desire to mercy kill Hal. NO ONE wanted to write Final Night due to it being an editorial controlled story where the writer was basically given ZERO say and was basically going to be a glorified dialogue writer for a four part story that editorial had already written out (Ferro Lad was supposed to die at the end, like he did in the original Legion story it was based upon).
Kessel agreed to write it ONLY if Hal got to die instead of Ferro Lad as far as giving him a redemptive death. And even then, DC cockblocked and refused to let Hal completely say his GL Oath one last time before dying.
No wonder why Final Night was such a boring event
hmm, I didn't know that Hal was ever actually declared off limits, or about that annual. Did the GL/Silver Surfer story happen after those? Was it just Parallax that got benched or was GL Hal allowed in flashbacks (or that one time traveling story)? JLA year one and Flash/GL mini both came out after Final Night but before Day of Judgement.
I can see why the Parallax View story pissed people off, after ET and ZH that story was really rubbing salt in the wound.
I guess it's because I never really cared about the legion so seeing them interact with the league was meh
Actually how many people Hall kills as Parallax? If you count the Corps, he said he leaves them some power to survive in their own, so is only Sinestro, Kilowog and the douche gnomes.
'94 Reboot Saturn Girl was a royal cunt. She did a huge amount of bad things with her powers, not to mention that even though she was dating Lightning Lad, she was constantly throwing herself at Cosmic Boy, who flirted back and they did not give a fuck about how they were cucking Garth in front of everyone and anyone they met. Got so bad, Garth ended up jumping out of a spaceship to die fighting a giant monster to just get away from the cunt.
The ban got lifted after Hal's death because by that point, one of the bean counters at DC realized that Hal DID sell. His GL appearances post-ET all saw sales spikes and his funeral issue also sold extremely well. Not to mention his DC Archvie HCs being among the top sellers of the line.
The Barry/Hal mini however only happened because Waid pushed it, after JLA Year One was a sales success. DC still was limiting Hal to time travel (Emerald Knights was done to off-set the sales drop the title suffered when Donna got pulled from the book by Byrne) or flashback stories, but there was a lot of back and forth between those who wanted a full-on embargo and those who wanted to try and find ways to capitalize on Hal without throwing away Kyle, who still sold and only actually got replaced when Winnick and Raab scorched earth the place so badly, that they had to bring Hal back to stop the bleeding.
Hal as Spectre was supposed to be the great compromise to all of this, though DC made a huge point to try and salt the earth to screw fans one more time by demanding (though it later got dropped when everyone realized how petty it was) that no one would actually KNOW Hal was Spectre and that he was cursed to be forever generating a glamor spell that made it so all of his friends and family saw a randomly generated new face if they encountered him in mortal form)
the Guardians killed themselves, Sinestro turned out to not really be dead, nobody in the Corps died on panel and nearly all of them turned out alive later
I THINK technically the only person he actually killed with his own two hands was Kilowog
>Hal as Spectre was supposed to be the great compromise to all of this, though DC made a huge point to try and salt the earth to screw fans one more time by demanding (though it later got dropped when everyone realized how petty it was) that no one would actually KNOW Hal was Spectre and that he was cursed to be forever generating a glamor spell that made it so all of his friends and family saw a randomly generated new face if they encountered him in mortal form)
I do remember that from his first few Spectre appearances, but by the time his solo book started that was gone after the first arc or so
Was Spectre Hal a really popular idea though? I only read it myself years after Rebirth had already happened so I don't know what popular opinion was at the time but I get the impression it wasn't well liked
Constantine making a rare non-Vertigo appearance
Captain Marvel is so sad he turned black
>Garth ended up jumping out of a spaceship to die fighting a giant monster to just get away from the cunt.
Is Legion lost right? That was my first Legion Comic. Man, Elemental Lad was a cunt in that history.
>I THINK technically the only person he actually killed with his own two hands was Kilowog
And he was resurected by the old ring of Hal. Again is Batman acting like a moral fag only when it comes to Jordan.
>And he was resurected by the old ring of Hal. Again is Batman acting like a moral fag only when it comes to Jordan.
well at this point he had good reason, to be fair
after Hal was the Spectre for a while then Batman was just being a dick
Hal got a bunch of statues after he died, one in the JLA dead hero garden, this one, and
one on Oa after Tom Kalmaku reofrmed it
this one he knocked down himself
also that's the end, RIP Hal you will be missed ;_;7
>And he was resurected by the old ring of Hal
Actually, it was a cult of ex GLs who was lead by Boodika I think that brought him back from the dead as an assassin to kill Pie/Hal Junior. Kyle eventually got him out of Bolovaxian Hell.
It was considered a step up from Parallax, but his book barely lasted two years (plus an arc in a DC anthology series Legends of the DC Universe) and his Spectre series was a far cry from the awesome Johh Ostrander series that it replaced.
In particular, while Hal as Spectre DID have a decent writer (JD DeMatties), instead of getting the JD DeMatties who wrote awesome Spider-Man and Justice League stories, we got the insufferable Moonshadow JD DeMatties, which meant that he took Hal as Spectre as a vehicle to circle jerk over alternative religion and astrology and other hippie bullshit that neither Hal Jordan fans or Spectre fans were willing to tolerate.
Part of this was due to DeMatties being given free reign on the book, sadly. It was a containment book for all intents and purposes, with a writer who was given free reign to write non-commercial material.
In a lot of ways, it was a perfect way for the Hal Haters at DC to try and kill Hal's commercial viability. Give him his own book and make it so unappealing that it gets cancelled for low sales, so they could then use that to further suppress Hal by claiming "We gave Hal his own book again and it sold for shit! Kyle Forever!!!!!".
>In particular, while Hal as Spectre DID have a decent writer (JD DeMatties), instead of getting the JD DeMatties who wrote awesome Spider-Man and Justice League stories, we got the insufferable Moonshadow JD DeMatties, which meant that he took Hal as Spectre as a vehicle to circle jerk over alternative religion and astrology and other hippie bullshit that neither Hal Jordan fans or Spectre fans were willing to tolerate.
I liked Moonshadow and I loved JM DeMatteis's Spectre, but I can certainly see why it didn't have broad appeal
>Kyle, who still sold and only actually got replaced when Winnick and Raab scorched earth the place so badly, that they had to bring Hal back to stop the bleeding.
Wasn't Kyle still selling well at the end of his series? The numbers on comichron seem decent anyways. I thought Hal came back less because of sales and more because of Johns' pitch.
>after Hal was the Spectre for a while then Batman was just being a dick
I think unintentionally, Hal always had handed the tools that Batman desire.
I mean a fucking mental weapon how can do anything if you have the willpower. The power to be the vengeance incarnated in the Earth.
Also, he was the only non-metahuman in JL.
>Berganza edited Emerald Twilight
>Berganza editing Green Lantern in the year of our lord 2016
why is this allowed
it was those things plus Bats being rattled by the idea that if somebody with eminent willpower could fall so hard he had reason to believe any of them could
The cameo of Constantine and Swamp Thing in the funeral issue was the final straw that led to the ten plus year cold war between the main DCU book editors and the Vertigo editors.
Marz put them in the book after the Vertigo editors vetoed their usage, leading to the Vertigo editors declaring they would never let Vertigo characters appear in a regular DCU book again out of spite.
The immediate fall-out was that Grant Morrison was banned from using Animal Man in JLA until his final arc (and even then, it was a blink and miss cameo) and the long term reprercussion was that NO ONE could use Swamp Thing or Constantine EVER in the main DCU.
I'll never understand how Raab could fucked up so hard. Winick set things up pretty well after Ion ended and then Raab goes on to tell a story about Kyle infiltrating a space cartel which sounds badass but it was just boring as shit. Then there was also the Merayn bullying Jade into cheating on Kyle like it was nothing and also having Merayn give John a literal Dear John letter. So many things about that run are terrible.
After Brightest Day they went full evil, what with their plan to turn the entire universe into mindless zombie-things.
Ganthet always had the best in mind though, hence why the other Guardians basically lobotomized him to make him like them.
nobody gave a single fuck that his home town just blew up
seriously nobody went to check on him or anything? or did they just see him wandering around the smoking crater that he grew up in talking to ghosts and figure he was fine?
We only have his word on that. And at the time, he wasn't exactly in his most rational state of mind.
Also, while I'm no GL buff, I've never heard of a GL being able to use or create constructs without their rings. Which Hal stole.
For most of the early parts of Johns's run, Ganthet and Sayd took the roles of "telling the Guardians how monumentally stupid what they're doing is", and they got exiled for it. They then made their own Corp, the Blue Lantern Corp, which, if you recall, not only gets stronger in the presence of a Green Lantern, but also basically supercharges all nearby Green Lanterns (meaning mutual corporation would be best). Despite that, the Guardians are still adamant that they are an enemy of the corp.
JLE did care.
There was an arc in JLE that had them trying to help Hal but Power Girl fucked everything up with the god-awful mystic pregnancy storyline Gerald Jones was writing at the time in JLE.
Hal and Kara and the rest of the team lost several days worth of memory after Coast City got nuked due to the forces knocking PG up. PG thought Hal was the baby daddy at first and was kind of pissy that he was denying it.
They sort of reconciled before Hal left, but the whole business made Hal not want to be around the League anymore so he took off to go visit Coast City, setting into motion Emerald Twilight.
It's rumored Raab was set up to fail. He was micromanaged to hell and back and got zero support when he tried to ditch Jade, which fans wanted but Winnick was still pimping her in Outsiders at the time and the editor who forced her onto Marz took it out on Raab.
There was also the bullshit with John Stewart. DC wanted to cash in on the recently launched Justice League cartoon but didn't want to get rid of Kyle. The ironic thing? Had they killed Kyle off at the end of Winnick's run or during Our Worlds At War and then relaunched the book with Raab and John Stewart, it might have thrived and Hal would not have been brought back.
Because Berganza has blackmail material on several high ranking DC Editorial folk. That is why.
It's also why he still is employed by DC even though he's an admitted (and unrepentent) sexual harrasser/predator, who is so fucking dangerous and DC knowing he's a rapist waiting to happen, that it's standing policy that NO FEMALE EMPLOYEE is allowed to work alongside him or under him. .
Yeah; Pieface and Carol were MIA because they and that toy maker executive Gerald Johns created as a love interest for Hal were stuck in a God-awful storyline where Carol found out that her parents were still alive and being held hostage by the fire alien with the whip that appeared early in Gerald's run.
And when Hal DID find them and rescued them (with Green Arrow's help), Carol told Hal to fuck off and Pieface took Carol's side in the split.
>And when Hal DID find them and rescued them (with Green Arrow's help), Carol told Hal to fuck off and Pieface took Carol's side in the split.
Jesus Christ, Hal's suffering never ends, does it?
I really wish they'd stop this awful will they won't they, it's been going on for DECADES and it isn't cute or suspenseful or worth rooting for anymore
They're already writing her right now like she doesn't give a shit about him, they should just have him get over her and find somebody better and just not bring it back
For a while he was dating that "Cowgirl" chick, who never appeared after Sinestro Corp War. Then Flashpoint happened, and Johns's run ended with an epilogue saying "They do."
Then the next issue happened, and Kyle/Carol happened.
That's just the problem with Hal/Carol that's been there since the Silver Age. Every single new writer will take Carol back to square one of being a complete asshole to Hal. There was a story-line in the Bronze Age where she had been dating an alien and got mad when Hal told her what is was.
>There was a story-line in the Bronze Age where she had been dating an alien and got mad when Hal told her what is was.
Not only that but she was basically cheating on Hal because they were together when she started dating the alien/villain guy and they broke up because she was pissed that Hal took him down
and then Black Canary sided with Carol and got upset at Hal for it too, it didn't make a damn bit of sense
It's like John was the only one who had a stable life back at that point. At least until the 90's when Guy achieved "Most Stable Life" of the 5 Lanterns.
Then he couldn't be a GL anymore or else Kyle wouldn't be the most special, so he got shoved off to the Darkstars where he ended up crippled for several years
Outside of the whole brain damage thing early on Guy has probably had it the easiest
But Sinestro, you ARE the Space Bug.
man reading this has just made me realize how much i miss Superman's old outfit.
the tacticool armor was kinda cool while it was fresh, and the whole T-Shirt and jeans thing was nice, but you really cant beat a classic
also the super mullet.
It's strange, but I really like this. Especially Hal having to run a gauntlet and taking their rings for himself. Like, you feel he's really gone absolutely batshit at this point.
>Batman was always a douche with Hal. And viceversa.
No, not at all, that was mostly Johns bullshit self insert. Bruce being mad at a genocidal idiot that almost collapsed reality and time is more than normal.