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TFA is a good film and very entertaining. That isn't to say it wasn't flawed as fuck. For example Rey is an undeniable Sue and Kylo gets diminished by poor writing choices in the final act.
Whatever the internal reasoning there was for it having what is going to be the central antagonist so easily dispatched in the final hour, especially after hyping him up the whole film, was not a good idea.
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>That isn't to say it wasn't flawed as fuck.
Except it isn't? All the supposed flaws you people keep pointing out are just you nitpicking and bitching because it's not your precious EU.
That's what they're trying to do, sure but Rey's complete and utter dominance narratively in both Kylo and non-Kylo spheres there's no punch. Regardless of how 'damaged' he was at the time she still won.
How she one in particular is more in line with my other point about her being a sue and the writing being poor. Given that he could have forced pushed her off the cliff or into a tree like he did at the start of the fight at any time during it.
>nitpicking and bitching because it's not your precious EU.
I'm fucking tired of Rey being called a Sue. If you were to switch her gender with Finn's nobody would be calling her a Marty Sue, I guarantee you. A Sue would be something like fucking Bella who starts a literal war because she can't decide which guy she wants to screw. She'd be a Sue of Poe and Finn and Kylo were all clearly romantically interested in her. A chick in the leading role of a story not specifically targeted at women a Sue does not make!
>Except it isn't?
That isn't a question you off site colloquial writing shit bag.
Also yes it is flawed because PLENTY of people have had bones to pick with TFA. I mean shit I hadn't even held the fact that it's a complete carbon copy of NH with RoJ sprinkled in.
There are plenty of very real hardly defensible flaws, just because you're a fan boy doesn't make that a lie. It just makes you an idiot. I mean hell, I still really fucking liked the film, it's just really stupid in particular areas or at particular times.
>I'm fucking tired of Rey being called a Sue. If you were to switch her gender with Finn's nobody would be calling her a Marty Sue, I guarantee you.
Your right because we call male marry sue's Mary sues anon
So what kinds of stories do you guys expect to see from the upcoming Rebels episodes? I'm personally hoping for the return of Maul. He kicked ass in the Clone Wars show and his fate is still up in the air.
>Sue of Poe and Finn and Kylo were all clearly romantically interested in her.
Well Finn is, Poe never really meats her, and Kylo has some sort of interest in her, though probably not romantic. That's not to mention that Han Solo wants her as a surrogate daughter so bad he offers her a job.
I'd rather not see him in Rebels. Not only would this be the second time he's re-appeared in a new era, but he has no connection to the main cast. Even his connection to Mandalore is weak.
He actually has those things though. At least, he has Force Speed still anyway.
I'm just hoping Vader vs Ahsoka is everything I want and more. Filoni has a lot of high expectations on his shoulders. Two of the biggest characters. As far as he is concerned, he needs to try and make it the most emotional and intense fight in the franchise.
We never saw him get killed off. This is the creative team that took the fact that Luminara's death scene in Episode III as a reason to extend her life well beyond that point, along with Berris Offee. He's as good as alive as the writers ar concerned.
He's god a beef against the empire since Paupatine killed his brother. This could be the chance to have a cool storyline about a morally ambiguous rebel cell lead by him, and a sith lord trying to pull Ezra under his influence who actually has a chance of getting Ezra's sympathy as they've both lost loved ones to the Empire.
>I'm just hoping Vader vs Ahsoka is everything I want and more.
Oh, I SO want more interactions between them! I'm glad they could get James for the show. They were going to cut Vader out entirely if they couldn't.
>Implying Luke, Leia and Han don't know exactly who Rey is and just aren't telling her so she can find out for herself because ultimately, it's her life and she shouldn't let whatever happened in the past define whatever her future may be
It was kind of obvious in how Han addressed her throughout the film, especially when they reached Takodana
Feels like the "job offer" scene was a bit tacked on. Namely the reason she's so good with the Falcon, the reason he offers her a position in his crew (whatever that means after what happened to his last crew), was because he was going to die. The scene is something of a trojan "passing the torch" since Han was set to die and this establishes that the Falcon is in the hands of someone he approves of.
I like how Leia didn't need to be told since the Force passed it on in real time.
We may not know how trained Leia is but at least she is far more attuned than we've ever seen her. Outside the EU, of course.
Chopper focus episode where we find out Aphra built him to be a murderbot. She's very proud of him.
>This could be the chance to have a cool storyline about a morally ambiguous rebel cell lead by him
Please, no. Son of Dathomir assured that Maul literally had no where else to go, no one to turn to and little if any real powerbase
Let him either die a pathetic wretch who was kicked from paradise or disappear into the deepest crevice in the galaxy like Savage found him. He shouldn't be able to affect anything anymore
I'm hoping for more of Berris Offee, and especially some interactions between her and Ahsoka. She was originally going to blow herself up, but the writers cut that scene because they wanted to do more with her character. Since she was expelled from the order and presumably jailed, she could have survived Order 66 and escaped during the chaos that was the rise of the Empire.
That was just a feeling she had, albeit one with the Force. Nobody argued this. Han dying was a far more powerful moment on par with Obi-Wan sensing the death of Alderaan or Yoda sensing the death of the Jedi across the galaxy.
I could imagine the Empire assuming that she'd be alined with the Dark Side because of the bombing, even though she insists what she did was for the Light, and her using this as a way to hinder them from within.
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>When he found out she wanted to return to Jakku he asked her if she had family down below. Then a boyfriend. Asked that last bit twice.
Because Finn's entire character is just black guy in space.
What Sith has the best theme and why is it Darth Nihilus'?
I really want a jaded and PTSD Barriss inquisitor or hand story where her final test is eliminating Ahsoka.
She still believes she's right but has her doubt about the Empire. Which is how Ahsoks gets to her in their first few encounters by agreeing with why she fights, but not who she fights for. Then enters Vader.
I'd like to see how the two would interact, and being rivals to get to Ahsoka first.
The hole thing ends in lesbians
I think his fear of FO and his wanting to do the right thing is more prevalent.
I'm glad that they did ethnic him up alittle
he could of ended up like pic related
This. Either the children would have grown up to do the same or they would die without the men and women he killed to raise them. If you don't like the mercy kill option, that still leaves a village full of orphans.
Anakin makes a point of clarifying that he didn't just kill the men but the women and children too. He does this for a reason.
Also you think the children helped capture and kill his mother?
Whether they approved is irrelevant but likely. They're still culpable as long as they allowed it to happen and supported those who did.
The whole village being guilty isn't really at question, the way I see it, it's more whether execution was justified. Which given the emotional situation and heinous degree of the crime some would argue it was.
>Where were you when David Bowie died?
No but they would have if they were older.
Besides, whether they would or wouldn't doesn't even bare thought when in reality even if they weren't culpable the outcome was starving to death as orphans or have Ani chimp on them.
The question isn't "what would have happened to them in the future?" It's "Is it morally acceptable to murder children?" And the answer should be a very obvious no. But I guess I forgot where I was.
>The question isn't "what would have happened to them in the future?" It's "Is it morally acceptable to murder children?"
No actually, you utter moron the question you asked was
>you think the children helped capture and kill his mother?
You guys are thinking a lot harder about this now than you would if you were actually in Anakin's situation.
>You're in a shitty fucking desert
>You haven't had a good night's sleep in months because you keep having nightmares about your mom dying.
>You haven't seen her in a decade.
>You find her beaten to death, or worse, in some savage's tipi in the middle of nowhere.
>She dies in your arms trying to tell you she loves you.
>You have special magic powers that let you take revenge in morally perilous situations like this.
>implying from your perspective the jedi aren't evil now
>implying if you were that self aware you wouldn't know your resignation would make them suspicious and look into and possibly come after you
>implying you'd leave the universe in the totalitarian grasp of the suppressive, stagnant jedi order
You're a shit-tier dark jedi mane. You might as well just stay in the jedi order because you'd be an awful force neutral too. Bog down the jedi with your lack of ambition.
Well, I mean, guy got mutilated twice, lit on fire, lived in a painful robot suit for twenty years. It's not an even trade at all, but it's not like Vader lived out his life as an intergalactic dark lord of sex with his own senator harem or anything. Guy spent the rest of his life in a living hell.
>come to terms with my attachments that are causing me to suffer
>control my painful emotions
>trust in the force
>become a stronger jedi for overcoming this trial
Sithfags please go, and stay go.
Qui-Gon was too good for them.
Looking back on the series + CW the only smart jedi that were actually how the jedi pretended they should be were Plo, Qui-gon and Yoda on a good day.
>So has anyone here read the TFA screenplay?
I don't know if this is common or not, but if people haven't I thought I'd post a few amusing things.
>reminder that Poe has charisma
>people on 4chan claim they would murder children so it's normal
Qui-Gon was a vapid waste of Liam Neeson, whose only characterization was cheating, swindling, gambling, and screwing the rules to get what he wants while conveniently chewing out everyone around him for the same behavior, like the stoned-out hypocrite he was.
Prequel Yoda was a confused, indecisive mess of empty wisdom and utter powerlessness as everything around him goes to hell. He has no agency in his fate or that of the Galaxy, the Republic, or his fellow Jedi, and exists simply to be the Force's oblivious punching bag.
Plo Koon is perfect.
>shitting on the force genius of his time
Now now. Qui-gon was a clever fella that doesn't get enough credit. He even attempted to guide Ani from the grave using the force ghosts he figured out. Hell he was even trying to get Anikan, Obi-wan and Yoda to sort their shit out to little avail.
Yoda had some moments of clarity before the fall but was too wrapped up in what he trusted to be true and focusing on solving the little things rather than taking in the whole picture.
And Plo is Plo.
Unkar is unclean. Also 50. I don't think any supplemental material had stated his age.
Someone in the last thread mentioned Rey's doll.
>walking away from a village that supports not only slavery but also cruel treatment of servants to the point where they'll just slowly kill one without it getting anyone's attention
>implying that anyone other than the kids are innocent in a tiny ass village where everyone would know everyone else is doing and would be supporting the behaviour
Are you German or something?
Hux is scary, also 34, which I also don't think has been mentioned in any supplemental material. That means he was old enough to remember the fall of the Empire. Also, iirc, Pablo Hidalgo said they still haven't given him a first name.
Man, remember how OP those things were in BF2?
If you played as one of those things against your friends, you were a dick.
I really liked Hux. It takes nuts to sas Kylo 'tantrum' Ren.
Besides, he takes pride in his soldiers -for inexplicable reasons- and doesn't want them to be nobody clones. He seems calculated for the most part but you could see him creaming in joy and terror despite pretending to keep calm moments before as the base fired it's first volley of planet ending projections.
Fucking sick character compared to a lot of FA characters. Him and Poe are the ones I want more of.
The reason Rey drops the handholding complaints and offers her hand.
>Snoke gets pissed off at Hux for shitting the bed on Starkiller Base
>sends Thrawn in to straighten him out in Ep. 8.
...what? It could happen.
Here's the part an anon mentioned where Rey talks about having flown ships before. This line is actually in the movie, but most people don't hear it because she and Finn are talking very quickly and talking over each other.
Playing Rebels in Galactic Conquest was always fun. It made you feel like an underdog.
And when you'd steal a tank, it'd start playing TIE Fighter Attack, which made it feel like kind of a caper.
All the Thrawn talk reminds me of how TheForce.net seemed to think every single rumor for AOTC involved Boba Fett
>New leaked set pic of a new ship! COULD BOBA FETT BE FLYING IT?
>Reports that Jedi extras are filming a battle scene. COULD THEY BE FIGHTING BOBA FETT?
>Reports that Jimmy Smits has been cast. COULD HE BE ONE OF BOBA FETT'S TARGETS?
>Here's a new image of Obi-Wan lying on the floor, clutching his leg. DID BOBA FETT INJURE HIM?
>StarWars.com has revealed an image of a new alien. COULD THIS NEW ALIEN BE PART OF A CRITICAL SCENE WITH BOBA FETT?
Chewie always trying to keep Han's ego in check.
Yeah, this has happened with Thrawn ever since Episode 7 was announced
>New Star Wars movies... could they be adapting the Thrawn trilogy?
>Sources close to Disney confirm that the movies are not adapting any existing story... perhaps they will find another way to include Thrawn?
>Rumored casting of Benedict Cumberbatch... could he be Thrawn?
>Rumored casting of Ryan Gosling... possibly Thrawn?
>Rumored casting of Zac Efron... could they be re-imagining Thrawn as a younger character?
>Max von Sydow officially cast! Perhaps playing an older Thrawn?
>Domnhall Gleeson cast! Could he be Thrawn?
>Adam Driver cast as a villain! Thrawn maybe?
>Andy Serkis cast! Most likely a mocap character... maybe a mocap Thrawn?
They're eventually going to reveal Del Toro is playing someone other than Thrawn, then once the Episode 9 casting rumors start, we'll be right back to "Maybe this guy is Thrawn?"
The introduction of Snoke for the curious.
Do you not understand what scripts are for? They need to convey to the cast and crew what sort of tone different things have. The "badass", although it might sound silly, serves a purpose. It tells everybody working on the scene, particularly Harrison Ford, how it's meant to look.
There's more than one way to shoot door controls.
The got the wounded part, but I never saw him as fragile. Serkis also talked about how there's a definite vulnerable side to him, but we never saw that either.
He ended up just being a pretty standard "command my minions from my throne" villain.
>what're some essential books (after episode 6) to read besides Thrawn. Legends or not doesnt matter
>what book(s) does Luke become supreme master and reaches demi-god mode
It's an intelligent double saber design that actually works, because you weild it one handed for the most part and those times you don't, it has a handy pair of handles. Maul's was just fucking retarded...much like Maul, really. Notably he stops using the idiot sword in TCW when he grows a brain of his own.
Who is "them" in your situation? The script isn't for the audience. It's for the people actually making the movie. And yes, the people making the movie won't know the tone of one particular action unless you tell them. They could guess and get it right or come up with their own interpretation. But if you want them to do it how you want than you put it in the script.
This is pretty basic and obvious stuff.
first part of Rey's vision. You'll notice that Yoda and Obi-wan's lines are not in the script.
>Do you not understand what scripts are for? They need to convey to the cast and crew what sort of tone different things have.
They do, but having "HE HATES HIM" and "THIS PART IS BADASS" is just lazy. Even Lucas's frequent shorthand of "they fight" instead of describing an action scene is less idiotic than this.
>He ended up just being a pretty standard "command my minions from my throne" villain.
I don't mind that so much as long as there is a decent twist down the line. Like it turns out that the man behind the curtain is the true Wizard of Oz. What would be the biggest twist? Snoke is actually Jar Jar? Ghost Yoda? Luke? Sixes? Boba Fett? The ghost of the entire EU? The Vong? Emperor Palpatine? Luuke? Ewoks? Jabba the Hutt? Jabba the Hutt's son? Luuuke? Uncle Owen having faked his death in ANH? Lando?
No, I'm betting the biggest possible twist is Snoke is actually
Han Solo. Faked his death so he could rule the galaxy as Father and Son because Leia was a strict wife and mother and wouldn't let them go to Nar Shadda to get the boy his first prostitute on that holiest of days when Ben turned Space Legal.
you know, i was never really into Carrie, but the Korean webtoon's depiction of Slave Leia has won me over
They literally won't. It lets the actor know whether they should be shaking and crying or scoffing and barely paying attention to their surroundings. Otherwise the actor will just have to assume the emotions they're supposed to be showing and possibly assume wrong.
>They do, but having "HE HATES HIM" and "THIS PART IS BADASS" is just lazy
Lazy how? Scripts aren't literature, they're blueprints. When it comes to descriptions in scripts the rules are basically the opposite. You want to make it obvious and succinct. The actors need to know what they're doing and how their character feels.
>Even Lucas's frequent shorthand of "they fight" instead of describing an action scene is less idiotic than this.
Choreographing a fight scene isn't the job of the screenwriter either.
Come on don't act stupid. You know exactly what acting badass in a fight scene means. It means doing what Ford did in the movie where he looked like he wasn't taking the fight seriously and was extremely confident in his abilities.
Essential: Dark lord: Rise of darth Vader, Darth Plageius, Darth Bane trilogy, Shatterpoint, dark Rendevous, Republic comando
Luke wank: Jedi Academy trilogy, The Calista trilogy , Hand of Thrawn,
After those the New Jedi Order saga willl give you both
I'm just laughing at you at this point, dude. You have no idea what you're talking about and are confusing script directions with random statements. "Character is mad!" is a valid direction. "He shoots a door. BADASS!" is not.
Starkiller base fires. This one amused me a little too much not to post it.
How isn't it? That's the way they wanted that action to be portrayed on screen so that's what they said. What should they have said instead?
I'm not defending the script or saying it's well-written. But descriptions like this are a standard part of scripts in general. It's what they're for. They're not a fucking books.
>"Character is mad!" is a valid direction. "He shoots a door. BADASS!" is not.
So you're just bothered by the phrasing of the sentence? Why didn't you just say so? I understand laughing at it because it makes it sound like the writers are just being children. But acting like the word "badass" has no place in a script whatsoever is very misguided.
>THE STORMTROOPER IS SHOT AND FALLS!
>This is capitalized and underlined
Was this supposed to be a super important scene?
For whatever reason, some people don't think they are married.
Was Maz watching them during this scene in the movie? I'm blanking.
In ANH, Vader ordered the retrieval of Leia's droids. Surely he's seen dozens of R2 units and Protocol droids in the last 20 years, but wouldn't the fact that this particular R2 was blue and white and accompanied by a goldel protocol droid ring any bells?
I don't think he ever knew what the droids looked like. The escape pod launched, the Imperials let it go because there were no life signs. The first time they even realize there were droids is when one of the stormtroopers finds a piece of junk in the sand.
In retrospect, maybe he shouldn't have taken the mask off. Rey was completely terrified of him before he humanized himself.
>tfw after today we will be witnessing the first generation that doesn't know who David Bowie is
>This is only the first 10 days into the new year
he molested her face earlier, the pervert.
Here is Rey turning the tables during the interrogation, though it doesn't offer too much insight.
Fuck man. I'm sorry since this is off topic but I'm fucking broken up. I'm literally in tears right now and I haven't even started listening to his songs again yet. This is like my John Lennon dying. I don't want to live in a world without David Bowie.
a couple of curious things. Ren thinks about Luke.
Yes it does. You don't randomly capitalise and underline words during action sections and use heaps of exclamation points and ellipses. Shit like that just makes it difficult for the actors to read and shows the writers autism. This script reads like it was written by a fanfic writer.
And then there's this. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a moment of regret at the notion that his boss if probably about to blow up his mom, or if it's about his boss blowing up his precious map.
No real explanation on how she came up with using the mind trick on her own; this is all we get.
Because Lucasfilm thinks they are funny, this trooper's official designation is JB-007.
The script calls it a solarvac array. I love you, Star Wars.
Yeah, Hosnian Prime. The line is in the movie too. Well actually they take out the entire Hosnian system.
Chewie is used to this nonsense.
I don't remember the inside the walls shot, after she climbs into them, was this cut from the movie?
This is actual kind of a clever observation about Rey.
Ren needs to work on the whole force tracking bit.
Ren is kind of aware that Snoke a shit.
unlike in the script, in the movie, the last thing Han does is reach up and stroke his son's cheek. Given what I've read over the years about Ford on the set of the OT, I wonder if he ad-libbed that.
Also, Ren is weakened by killing his dad even before getting shot.
In the movie, Chewie stars mowing down stormtroopers. Also, Finn didn't have to drag Rey out by force.
The fight here doesn't include the part where Ren knocks him down and turns his back on him, nor the part where he pins him to the tree and starts burning his shoulder.
He also doesn't disarm Finn before running his saber along Finn's spine. Here it's a torso injury. I'm not sure how well Finn's going to be walking.
>you will never be rocked by her raw innate skill
As it is I'm surprised all three of them came out of that as intact as they did. Finn and Kylo should both be dead, and Kylo should be missing a few limbs. For whatever reason it seems like only the very tip of the lightsaber ever made contact, enough to wound but not to do any fatal damage. Like how do you get slashed across the face with a lightsaber without also losing most of your head?
I feel like the "long beat" was a little too long.
Also, the dark side.
>You don't randomly capitalise and underline words during action sections and use heaps of exclamation points and ellipses.
Yes you do. Some directors might not like it but it's not against the formatting or standard practice. Emphasis and pacing is an important thing to convey too. Scripts aren't just for the actors.
>killing is dark side
>jedi weren't dropping people left right and centre when needed
I guess all Sheev really just needed the clone army to kill jedi given they have samurai jack syndrome.
I know this scene annoyed a few people.
Despite what happened with the last batch, I hope Luke gets more than one student.
The planet with the first jedi temple is named ahch-to.
Luke knows who she is.
>Luke's incredible face
>the galaxy's only hope
Also, I'm amazed they resisted the urge to have her say "help me, Luke Skywalker, you're our only hope".
Who was this warrior fighting for? He doesn't sound like a Jedi. Was this still at the burning temple? I mean, it was in the rain by now.
So... Do the knights of ren have other enemies? People from Lor San Tekka's religion perhaps?
Oh yeah, I forgot about this one. Confirmation that they lost Ren to Snoke before he reached adulthood.
If Rey being hidden is indeed related then it happened 14 or so years ago, when Ren was about 16.
>>raw innate skill
>>people will defend this
Remember when 9-year-old Annakin accidentally destroyed a Droid Control Ship and killed thousands of people, also saving Naboo?
Annakin is force jesus and when he did it it was not the same as some triumphant self discovery thing like Rey. He was a plot device in the first film.
Rey is just a Sue who was somehow taught how to fly will living in scrap and working for food stamps and can learn adept light saber techniques via deep breathing exercise while other jedi actually had to learn and develop styles and technique. Complete false equivalence.
Annakin also didn't become force master tier in a day. He trained over time and developed unlike Rey who leaned it all without training, without having seen it else where, under enemy duress and in the space of 24 hours.
R2 also took out the first death star. He knew he had to take the shot himself when his dumbass pilot turned off his targeting computer, but of course he let Luke take the credit just like his dick dad.
>Annakin is force jesus and when he did it it was not the same as some triumphant self discovery thing like Rey. He was a plot device in the first film.
>Rey is just a Sue who was somehow taught how to fly will living in scrap and working for food stamps and can learn adept light saber techniques via deep breathing exercise while other jedi actually had to learn and develop styles and technique. Complete false equivalence.
>Annakin also didn't become force master tier in a day. He trained over time and developed unlike Rey who leaned it all without training, without having seen it else where, under enemy duress and in the space of 24 hours.
"Annakin isn't a Sue, he's jesus, so that makes his devastating military victories as a 9-year-old acceptable."
"Rey is a sue because she grew up scavenging parts from ships, fighting with a staff, and is shown to have mechanical knowledge, none of which could ever translate to her fixing a ship, flying a ship, or fighting with a sword like it was a staff."
Im so rekt man, you rekt my whole bloodline.
Anakin is a Sue in the first film, no doubt.
His piloting skills stem from his podracing skills, no doubt. The victory itself is a Sueish stretch though.
Its only in the second film that we see Anakin as a flawed learner so I admit its harsh to lambast Rey immediately but it doesn't look too promising for her.
>none of which could ever translate to [flying]
Mechanical knowledge means jack. Also she was pulling Tight turns, squeezing through tunnels and pulling mid air egine stalls and recovery to the extent that she could aim the jammed gun at a ship that hadn't even exited the wreck yet with the enitrety of the ship while in free fall, without motor control
No he wasn't. Sue doesn't mean stupidly powerful, there's more to it. Ani wasn't even the real focus. Ep one is about Obi and Qui-gon dealing with Ani, much less Ani himself. His character justifies his feats and doesn't pointlessly dote on them or make him flawless.
Ani learns to wield the force like every other jedi. He learns to pilot through hard work and practice and we see him progress in both fields. It's harder to gauge his saber skill but there's nothing outrageous to imply he didn't learn that as normal too. While he was special he still did it like normal jedi. Strong with the force =/= Jedi master
>Beats up four guys by herself
Beats up four guys who, frankly were incompetent, and she had a weapon.
>Knows more about the Falcon than Han
She knows more about the modifications that she was present and possibly helped in implementing on a ship that she's lived near and been around "for years" over someone who's not seen it at all in that time.
>First time she flies
she implies she's flown at least something before.
>Is instantly skilled at using a lightsaber
a person who has been shown using a weapon to defend herself against three attackers is proficient in the use of a similar weapon
>Instantly trusted by the Resistance to find Luke, even thought they don't know her
Girl goes along with a creature that can kill her with a swipe of his paw to return an item she found to a man who could kill her with his mind.
>Instantly liked and trusted by everyone
Except for Finn and Han.
Really the most out of place thing is the force affinity.
>Mechanical knowledge means jack. Also she was pulling Tight turns, squeezing through tunnels and pulling mid air egine stalls and recovery to the extent that she could aim the jammed gun at a ship that hadn't even exited the wreck yet with the enitrety of the ship while in free fall, without motor control
She can fly a fudgecicle, she can fly the Falcon.
Annakin did more, and a decade younger.
Annakin had practice and a hobby in which he was a notable participant. Rey apparently flew and hand full of times and out performs career pilots. It's bullshit mate. Just admit it.
The speed, extent and mastery of the force was complete bullshit too. Rey is a Sue whether she's your waifu or not faggot.
>is proficient in the use of a similar weapon
>anything like a sword
>anything like a light saber
>against a dark jedi-come-sith lord
>who can freeze blaster bolts mid air with the force and had displayed even in that very fight that he could kill them both with a bit of force push but conveniently forgot due to plot after he had his mandatory one on one with the mook storm trooper.
>against a dark jedi-come-sith lord
to our knowledge there weren't any Sith lords in TFA.
And you're right, using a staff effectively is actually more technical and difficult than a sword.
I can't believe everyone's getting buttblasted about Rey just because the third act of TFA was terribly written. No one got so mad about the fact that three guys managed to sabotage an entire planet.
>Beats up four guys who, frankly were incompetent, and she had a weapon.
Trained Storm Troopers being worse than Tusken Raiders is debatable.
>She knows more about the modifications that she was present and possibly helped in implementing on a ship that she's lived near and been around "for years" over someone who's not seen it at all in that time.
I can accept this.
>she implies she's flown at least something before.
This doesn't excuse the astonishing shit she pulls off. She literally flies a freighter like its fighter and, IMO that's bullshit. I can accept Han pulling it off to a lesser degree in an asteroid belt due to being a Smuggler who has likely made his trade by losing faster ships.
To make Rey's abilities believable we have to accept she's just BETTER than Han, Luke and Obi-Wan and that doesn't make for a fun addition to a saga.
>a person who has been shown using a weapon to defend herself against three attackers is proficient in the use of a similar weapon
It's pedantics to some degree but I'd argue being good at painting doesn't make me a good pencil illustrator. Also, who on Earth was she fighting with a staff to make her capable of standing up to a trained, force using lightsaber wielder? A FORCE USER WHO PERFORMED FEATS FAR BEYOND ANYTHING WE'D EVER SEEN BEFORE?
THIS NIGGA FROZE LIGHT IN MID AIR!
> Girl goes along with a creature that can kill her with a swipe of his paw to return an item she found to a man who could kill her with his mind.
This was just bad writing, you can't deny. That final scene was comical.
They found Luke off the coast of Scotland and he was greeted by a Girl who feels she's never met him before as opposed to his sister and many friends.
>Except for Finn and Han.
I disagree. Finn wanted to fuck her and Han was happy to take her somewhere 4 free
>using a staff effectively is actually more difficult than a sword.
No. There's a reason the bulk of ancient soldiers were equipped with spears.
>And you're right, using a staff effectively is actually more technical and difficult than a sword.
Wew Lad. Look at you go.
I guess that means it's the piano of weapons and that now she can use anything. It's not like the muscles, balance and technique of a sword is different and a light saber different again.
Besides a staff is as hard to use as what you need it for, just like a sword.Given swords aren't the most popular weapon she's likely never fought one let alone with a sword she's never touched.
You're an idiot.
At least mook was being toyed with (it was still stupid he landed a shot).
The only excuse would have been his wound but instead the writers just had her breath her way into saber mastery, an unheard of feat until now.
>Annakin had practice and a hobby in which he was a notable participant.
He was pod racing out of diapers.
>Rey apparently flew and hand full of times and out performs career pilots. It's bullshit mate. Just admit it.
She was using the Force.
>The speed, extent and mastery of the force was complete bullshit too. Rey is a Sue whether she's your waifu or not faggot.
Luke Skywalker hit an exhaust port not much bigger than a womp rat with his targeting computer turned off.
Rey narrowly won a swordfight against a heavily wounded and incompletely trained Kylo Ren.
Rey had more combat experience than Luke.
>This doesn't excuse the astonishing shit she pulls off.
She was using the Force.
>No. There's a reason the bulk of ancient soldiers were equipped with spears.
Because swords were expensive and reserve for the Gentry, unlike cheap and replaceable spears.
>Wew Lad. Look at you go.
>I guess that means it's the piano of weapons and that now she can use anything. It's not like the muscles, balance and technique of a sword is different and a light saber different again.
>Besides a staff is as hard to use as what you need it for, just like a sword.Given swords aren't the most popular weapon she's likely never fought one let alone with a sword she's never touched.
>You're an idiot.
>At least mook was being toyed with (it was still stupid he landed a shot).
>The only excuse would have been his wound but instead the writers just had her breath her way into saber mastery, an unheard of feat until now.
She fights with Luke's ligthsaber like it's a spear. She mostly jabs at Kylo and flees.
It's only when she's backed into a corner and he tries to reason with her that she channels the Force.
Luke was a crack shot who bummed around his planet dreaming of service. He had flight experience and shooting experience. Rather than have the force do the fucking work he was using it to enhance his skills and knowledge. Sensing the right time and place and using his skill to make it happen.
In fact he couldn't even do shit like force pull which Rey does in spades out performing a trained dark side user.
IN A FUCKING DAY
Rey is the protag tho. We're supposed to root for her. If her growing in the Force was shown more steadily with some failures along the way her wrecking Kylo would've been the hypest shit ever and whatever problems the plot had on Starkiller wouldn't matter.
>She was using the Force.
Obi Wan, in a state of the art wartime Jedi Fighter, struggled to lose the opposite end of the career pilot spectrum in the form of Jango Fett. He was Jedi Master material at the time.
You mean to tell me Rey is stronger in the force already? Then boom, she's a Mary Sue and a boring character.
>Because swords were expensive and reserve for the Gentry, unlike cheap and replaceable spears.
WEW LAD WEEEEEW LAAAAD
Get your buddy, give him a long stick and ten get a short stick. Tell me who wins. I WILL FUCKING BET MONEY that your buddy with the long stick wins.
You made me reach for the experts, you drew me down this road.
>Luke was a crack shot who bummed around his planet dreaming of service.
Rey was a crack shot who scavenged on her planet dreaming of flight.
>He had flight experience and shooting experience. Rather than have the force do the fucking work he was using it to enhance his skills and knowledge. Sensing the right time and place and using his skill to make it happen.
Rey was smart enough to let the Force do the work.
>In fact he couldn't even do shit like force pull which Rey does in spades out performing a trained dark side user.
Rey did one force pull, picking up a lightsaber that was beckoning to her.
Kylo Ren was heavily wounded and incompletely trained.
>IN A FUCKING DAY
LUKE DESTROYED THE DEATH STAR.
>she channels the Force
Every single other jedi has learned how to use a light saber separately. It's not just channelling the force just like how flying isn't just channelling the force. It takes skill practice and training. Force helps sure, who doesn't want to have heightened senses and shit? Force users are player characters. Their skills are higer than NPCs and they level faster and above normal people. Rey on the other hand just fucking does it. Can't use a light saber, just channel the force. Never seen a jedi mind trick before, just use it perfectly. Never used the force before, out skill the dark jedi. She's the girl friend at the table who doesn't play and people just say 'fuck you won't learn, we'll play the game around you. How do I force pull? Do you have it? Um... You can start learning it next session if you spend 'x' on 'y'. Ah but which ones? Fuck it you learn Force Pull, now just roll the dice'
>Obi Wan, in a state of the art wartime Jedi Fighter, struggled to lose the opposite end of the career pilot spectrum in the form of Jango Fett. He was Jedi Master material at the time.
Obi-Wan wasn't that great a pilot.
>You mean to tell me Rey is stronger in the force already? Then boom, she's a Mary Sue and a boring character.
Annakin was stronger in the Force at age 9 than the entire Jedi council. Darth Vader is a boring Mary Sue then.
>Rey was a crack shot
Literally not in the film. Not even with a shit cunt throw away line like her 'a few times flying a ship'
>Force do the work
Here we go again.
>Sentient light saber
Kylo is by feats alone stronger in the force than any jedi or sith in the films with that blaster bolt freezing stunt let alone all his other 'force feeze' fuckery. Hell he wasn't even holding the bolt. After he froze it there was no effort involved and he could walk freely with it stuck there and retaining momentum as we see at the end.
He's a fucking power house and Rey IN HER FIRST 24 HOURS manages to one up him on multiple head to head feats of force use. Complete fucking sue.
Luke was a pilot who was recruited on a mission and use to force to aid his talent and it took more than 24 hours. Complete false equivalence.
>What? no he wasn't.
>The reading's off the chart. Over 20,000. Even Master Yoda doesn't have a Midichlorian count that high.
>Obi-Wan wasn't that great a pilot.
This is such a non fucking point. He was a great pilot as any war time pilot is(with great control of the force) compared some amateur.
>Annakin was stronger in the Force at age 9 than the entire Jedi council. Darth Vader is a boring Mary Sue then.
This nigga had midichlorians and got fucked over in early fights he had even when the odds were in his favor(2v1 vs Count Dooku). The interest in him as a character was him falling to the dark side and fucking over, not being a hero and saving the day. Regardless, Anakins initial potential didn't miraculously develop in one film, he was still learning by the second and finding his feet by the third.
Rey goes from 0 to hero in literally one fucking scene and kills a far better trained force user within one day.
Just stop you pathetic man.
Doesn't mean Yoda wouldn't have rolled him in a fight you c//uck. Midichlorians were just meant to be an easy way to say, 'Fuck! This kid is pretty strong with the force. If trained properly he could far surpass Yoda our best guy' Not 'how this kid is such a hard nut, we'd better not annoy him lest he overpower and kill us'
>Literally not in the film. Not even with a shit cunt throw away line like her 'a few times flying a ship'
"We need a pilot"
"You have one"
>He's a fucking power house and Rey IN HER FIRST 24 HOURS manages to one up him on multiple head to head feats of force use.
Obviously Kylo was in his prime for their fight too. No heavily bleeding wound from a boltcaster gutshot, no wound to his sword arm from Finn.
>This is such a non fucking point. He was a great pilot as any war time pilot is(with great control of the force) compared some amateur.
Annakin was a great pilot when at the age of 9 he unintentionally destroyed an entire Droid Control Ship and saved all of Naboo.
>Rey goes from 0 to hero in literally one fucking scene and kills a far better trained force user within one day.
>Just stop you pathetic man.
Hercules goes from zero to hero in one musical montage.
>Doesn't mean Yoda wouldn't have rolled him in a fight you c//uck. Midichlorians were just meant to be an easy way to say, 'Fuck! This kid is pretty strong with the force. If trained properly he could far surpass Yoda our best guy' Not 'how this kid is such a hard nut, we'd better not annoy him lest he overpower and kill us'
Annakin was better than every Jedi ever born. As a child he could have single handled defeated the entire Jedi council.
>still provides no example of her being a crack shot despite quoting me on it
I guess you're out of shit to fling. Also some spunky hobo calling herself a pilot doesn't make it so. I suppose Finn was a big deal in the resistance too? You complete and utter fucking autist.
She just started learning that day.Even dying a trained sith can out skill basic jedi with force stuff more often than not. That's their whole thing. They were lured to the dark side to gain power whether out of fear or for spite. They're strong. Rey is literally untrained and just learned she was force sensitive that fucking day but nah, she can beat him at force pull. She's had loads of practice with breathing excersice while she was a prisoner. I bet she's a skilled painter, sculptor, baker, navigator and blaster shooter now that she's done her force breathing exercises for awhile.
That's how you said it works right?
Just for her though. Not the Sith or anyone else who has ever had sway with the force
This is literally the only leg you have to stand on at this point so I'll be merciful and concede Anakin's feats in the first film were ridiculous. Still, Anakin had a fuck ton of help from R2.
>Annakin was better than every Jedi ever born. As a child he could have single handled defeated the entire Jedi council.
You've misspelt Anakin so often I worry you're a fucking ruseman.
There is no evidence to suggest this. If this was the case, why did he get fucked up by Dooku? Why did they hide him from Maul?
You're a shit human being.
And as a concluding point?
Rey beat a dark side user who was beating his wound to fuel his dark side control. If nothing else, that tells a lot about how much he knows about the force's workings and yet she won.
She's a Mary Sue main character meaning we never worried about her throughout the whole shitty fucking film.
Cheers mate. This was the one that you over baited on. I always knew it was bait but after this I can't in good conscience respond any longer, sorry.
>>still provides no example of her being a crack shot despite quoting me on it
>I guess you're out of shit to fling. Also some spunky hobo calling herself a pilot doesn't make it so. I suppose Finn was a big deal in the resistance too? You complete and utter fucking autist.
She wastes two Storm Troopers in the woods by Maz Kanata's castle with the pistol Han gave her.
Pardon me for not having any gifs or screencaps on hand.
>You're a shit human being.
I'm a real human being.
>Rey beat a dark side user who was beating his wound to fuel his dark side control. If nothing else, that tells a lot about how much he knows about the force's workings and yet she won.
He was bleeding out and she overpowered him.
MARY SUE OF THE CENTURY.
>If nothing else, that tells a lot about how much he knows about the force's workings
it tells a lot about how absurdly weak his fraying connection to the dark side was that he had to suffer such a handicap to do even the most basic magic
See that's the difference between a Mary Sue and a good character. A good character is one you can like, while a Mary Sue is one who annoys you.
Which means you cannot objectively call a character a Mary Sue. it all comes down to opinion.
Her actor is shit and she's a Sue but she didn't ruin the film for me. I feel like if the supporting cast weren't there Rey and Finn couldn't hold my interest but as it stood things were pretty fun. Poe and Hux were nice. Kylo was predictable but other than his gimping at the hands of Rey at the end was supremely entertaining.
In short: she's fine but one of the weakest characters in the film. I was more interested in little cantina Yoda, her past and how she came to have the light saber than Rey.
The only weaker character (that was supposed to be something other than an extra) was Phasma.
She's cute which is counteracted by how bad her actress is.
So really she's unmemorable. I mean that with utter honesty, man.
This says it all for me, really. The actress and/or pacing from Abrams failed to communicate that this was actually a deep moment for her character.
So, in short, she's cute but hollow and unmemorable.
Being a man her being cute alone me say yes, she's likeable.
There were too many characters in this film.
If they had gotten rid of that gay fucking Han Solo entrance with DUH KANJEECLOB and given some time for minor exposition and bonding between Finn and Rey, the whole film would have benefited as a result.
>If it's likable it's not a Sue
Completely fucking wrong. There are hilarious and loveable Sue's just like there are shit movies people enjoy. An example of the former being /a/'s crush on Tatsuya from an irregular at magic school which is completely and undeniably Sue that later being shit movies like The Room.
Long story shot you're an idiot and Rey is CERTAINLY a Sue.
And yes it would be better if she weren't a Sue but at the very least they should have hired someone who can act.
While I do like Rey I feel likeshe needs to have a fall in the second film like Luke and Anakin, I feel like her arc hasn't really even started yet. I mean all she got is "I gotta stay on the planet, no wait I don't." It's Finn who got the meat of the arc in this movie.
A character being so bad you laugh at them does not mean they are likable.
>she's likeable because she makes you stiff
It's like, I knew people had to be defending Rey for a reason but this really cinches it that you're all fuck wit /tv/ 3DPD wafiu faggots.
If you're opinion comes down to the density of your cock then you shouldn't even be allowed to speak.
Rey is a darling beloved by 90% of the audience who saw the movie.
Why are you even doing this? You're not convincing anybody nor being convinced, your argument has devolved into near pure shit and repeating the same old points, people accept her character has issues, some people like her in spite of them, some people dislike her because of them, and no arguments you have here are changing that for either side. Let it go.
>so bad you laugh at them
>laughing at Nii-sama
Heretical. Jokes aside people seriously just enjoyed the almost parody level Sueness from him. It wasn't spite it was just so off the wall people just said fuck it and went with it.
I'm still not sure if that counts as likability (because Tatsuya has the personality of a brick wall). But I really don't want to argue this anymore so everyone who I was rguing with was right about...whatever.
My opinion is biased because I'm not neutral but how is my process bias. I'm just laying down facts and all that people can say is that she's attractive to them.
I don't mind you liking a shit character, I have my share of guilty pleasure characters that are just somehow fun. The problem is pretending there aren't 101 glaring flaws when there are and going on a white knight crusade for your waifus honour.
I mean fuck sake there's an online push now to discredit the term Mary Sue itself (yeah plenty of people don't like it but this is more reactionary than that), how fucking far do you need to go?
Anyone else here feels that TFA needed more alien characters? It's always the same: humans, the wise midget, the chewie and the secondary characters. I like Rebels and TCW because at least we get to see more aliens characters.
>Dumb smelly hobo scavenger.
Do you wanna...tighten her restraints?
>literally could have stopped posting whenever
>plays the victim complete with '...' when he's out of shit to say
No one forced you to keep this convo going m80, come down from your cross.
No, I would knock her out and let Hux clean her body with his tongue.
>Two main characters
>One of them is a Twi'Lek
You are right, anon, you are right.
We aren't aware of every power those two had. It could be pointed out, however, that Yoda held FORCE LIGHTING in the air. Twice. Once in a vision. He also absorbed Dooku's (apparently lesser) lightning into himself, and even tossed it back.
Also Vader reflected Han's shots on Bespin with just his extended hand.
And then of course there is the Force Speed ability shown briefly by Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan when they first fought Droideka. The effect looked so stupid they never displayed it again on film, though The Wook claims it was shown in TCWs.
>Kylo dives to pick her up before she starts to fall down
was it precog?
Actually as has already been pointed out she is quite good at close quarters combat. We know she can use a staff, but that doesn't mean it's the limit of what she's used in the past.
However what you are saying is still patently false. Our first experience with an untrained Force Sensitive and a lightsaber is Luke who, though it was required his mind be tricked into opening up to the Force, was able to pull off blind deflection. That isn't just hitting someone else's blade but anticipating where shots will be and moving his blade ahead of time to stop them.
People seem to forget or downplay this because it was against a remote and the shots wouldn't have done more than pinch. Nevertheless it is direct evidence of the Force alone being used to enhance the abilities of a mere farm boy, someone who didn't even have Rey's survival skills. And also people, for some reason, forget that Rey was actually running for most of her duel and only managed to defeat Kylo Ren after we saw her connect with the Force in a moment of calm/peace, something Maz talked to her about, and which we'd seen Yoda tell Luke so very long ago.
Hell, she didn't even managed the mind trick "perfectly" as you say but needed to try it three times. Thank Kylo Ren for showing her how to connect with minds.
While Genndy's scenes were cool they had Mace jumping across a massive battle field onto an enormous robot and shit. They're stylised at best.
Thing is even if they could that would make Kylo around their level given even you don't offer up other candidates. Still makes the fight stupid
Midi-Chlorian count isn't a measure of the Force within a person and wouldn't cause Vegeta to scream, "It's over 9000!"
It was to show that Anakin wasn't normal. If the Force was truly his daddy then you'd expect a Vergence in the Force to have an abnormally high Midi-Chlorian count, right? That seemed to be what Qui-Gon thought.
I don't know how many of you have seen this but I thought it was really cool and wanted to share it.
And the annotated version:
Look at all this shit...
She did all this in a day and even when Luke had YODA'S FUCKING TRAINING, Vader still whooped his ass. Vader was a shell of his former self no matter which way you cut it. Furthermore, look at this point had months of battle field experience and had only managed to barely pull the lightsaber to himself with the only thing holding it back being snow.
Rey on the other hand? She ripped it from a trained force users grasp.
There really is no amount of mental summersaulting you can do to make Rey's rise in power NOT bullshit.
He uh... Used momentum.
I agree though. I liked Genndy's shit cause it looked hella fucking cool.
>Grievous' intro soundtrack
Holy shit its good.
Why assume that? It merely states that there are more expressions of the Force than we routinely see. Talzin could use it to manifest objects, turn people invisible, had her own green chain lightning WITH blaster deflecting shield. An older witch could raise armies of undead.
We don't know exactly what Kylo Ren's training is, however we do know it's incomplete but he's also a Skywalker which makes feats of retard level Force strength when emotional a given. He's also a conflicted mess with control issues.
Tentatively in a controlled situation under no danger. Are you for real?
He was senseing the shots. Any old mook can hold something straight were something else will be, especially given the speed and intensity. All the force did was allow him to know not suddenly understand saber patterns and movements he didn't download it from the Force Matrix.
Regardless of how she rallies Kylo is a trained dark jedi at the VERY least with 'complete' sith training on hold. He's a master force user and has had at least a few years of active combat with his light saber vs Rey a girl who never used the force until that day, a sword she's never used and no knowledge of saber combat.
What Kylo did wasn't a mind trick and thus irrelevant. Further if he had it would have made more sense. Instead never having seen one she does it perfectly. Now I don't mean 100% effectively but for all intents and purposes she knew the steps like clockwork. Must be that force matrix eh?
>Tentatively in a controlled situation under no danger. Are you for real?
Yep, You're using the wrong Certain Point of View, anon. If that is what you can do when under no danger, imagine what you can do when you're backed into a corner and have nothing else to lose.
We know that the Force has been calling out to her to take up the sword. You're surprised the Force was on her side in that fight?
>wrong point of view
In almost all circumstances untrained people are worse in live situations. Professionals might flourish when backed into a corner drawing on all they know in it's holistic entirety this is not the case of amateurs. At best the untrained will have a burst of sensation or strength neither of which compensate for skill but rather facilitate it. A lack of skill is and always will be a lack of skill.
>girl untrained in the force beats dark Jedi who's extremely with the force
>the force did it
Nice theory there Tex
The Force is a somewhat living mystical mysterious thing.
It can side with whomever the fuck it wants, what are you gonna do about it? Bitch on the internet?
The Force doesn't give a shit about your opinion.
This is it.
The force is just a deus ex machina. The more the force is used beyond external feats(lifting and shit) the poorer the writing.
When you look at it like this, it makes the name of Episode entirely fitting.
>The force is just a deus ex machina. The more the force is used beyond external feats(lifting and shit) the poorer the writing.
That's just bullshit.
The OT made way more use of the force as a kind of fate/god/undefined thing than the prequels, and it was way better written.
They even flat out say in A New Hope, when Obi Wan explains the force, that it can control your actions.
Trying to make it less mystical and more psuedo-scientific and regimented is where the shitty writing (midichlorians, virgin births via midichlorians, we're losing the ability to use the force") and other kinds of bullshit showed up.
>>girl untrained in the force beats dark Jedi who's extremely with the force
Beats a Jedi who was shot in the gut by a weapon that usually sends people flying across the room and had his sword arm injured. And after she spends the majority of the fight running away.
>This is the best fight scene in both the Clone Wars series'. Debate me.
It's one of the best, absolutely.
It's so well focused, and has a strong idea of what it wants to be, and does it with minimal animation and voice work.
I have to think Rian Johnson's movie will have a lot of either exposition or flashback action going on and Chewie is on the island with Luke and Rey, so hopefully his relationship with Ben will be expounded upon.
>central antagonist so easily dispatched
Vader gets rekt by Han (who he doesn't sense with the Force) and the last we see of him he's spinning absurdly around in space, the last survivor of an utter disaster.
One of the things I actually admire about the Star Wars movies is there's none of that stupidity that crops up sometimes in superhero comics and the like about not killing. Rey, Luke and Anakin all have moments where they either kill opposing forces (like in an actual war, you know). Anakin killing the sandpeople was revenge for his mom. He went on to be a mostly good-guy hero through the three years of the Clone Wars and was redeemable up until the moment he bent his knee to Sidious.
>One of the things I actually admire about the Star Wars movies is there's none of that stupidity that crops up sometimes in superhero comics and the like about not killing.
Return of the Jedi, much?
So, for general dangerous no-brain killers Houks are a solid bet.
I want something less rotund, and I considered a Gen-dai but they're far too OP. Any ideas guys?
Still mourning the loss of Angus Scrimm.
Phasma really was just criminally underused. She should have replaced TR-8R's role and forced to retreat after Kylo Ren calls for it and Chewie and Han provide cover fire for Finn.
She didn't get to do a goddamn thing in the movie.
it's mostly just the revealing plot points that, in the moment of the movie, have tremendous emotional and narrative impact and tell the story in the way the maker envisioned.
That being said, knowing Han is going to die doesn't do all that much to the movie. As I was watching it I guessed he'd eat it simply because he'd clearly taken up the mentor roll in the hero's journey. Might as well have been played by Sean Bean at that point.
Ruining surprises for everyone else is still a shitty thing to do. Spoiling a movie in casual conversation by mistake is one thing, but whoever goes around announcing plot twists like that deserves to get their ass beat.
>For example Rey is an undeniable Sue
You have SIX FILMS that lead up to and explain why Rey is so powerful.
Just HOW did you think they were going to show you that balance was restored to the Force?
>I, Luke Skywalker, detect a great balancing in the Force. Do you feel the balance? The Force is so balanced now. Yes. So balanced and fewer in calories for you.
1. Light side is healed
2. Sith shrine on Coruscant is dead and no longer attacking lightsiders across the galaxy
GEE, I WONDER WHY A LIGHTSIDER IS NOW POWERFUL AGAIN HURR DURR
>The Force is now balanced. The darksiders won't be OP anymore, Rey.
>Cheap unfair BS they pulled before is gone...thanks to that latest patch by my father.
>...I don't understand
And then while watching the movie it would start to sink in that it's actually going to happen.
I had it spoiled for me first by a comment and then a fucking gif of the scene. It didn't ruin it too much, and knowing what was going to happen actually made that scene pretty tense. Still a shitty thing to do though.