Seikaisuru Kado #3

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Back when the series started, I never would have expected this rollercoaster of emotions.

>>3112008
>a halo
SYMBOLISM
Seriously, though, I love how they drew his hair.

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Drawfag anon here, late to the party even though I watch this show from the beginning.

Do anons prefer full color illustrations or random sketches?

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And one more. Next time I want to draw a cute alien doing cute things but other suggestions are welcome.

>>3112046
Welcome! More drawfags are always welcome.
>Do anons prefer full color illustrations or random sketches?
Honestly, I'll take anything at this point.

>>3112046
>>3112047
Damn anon this is so fucking good.
WAY better than that one artist that keeps getting posted desu.

>>3112064
That one artist that keeps getting posted keeps getting posted because the fandom is tiny and they keep pumping out art almost every day.
Beggars can't be choosers, anon.

>>3112068
I don't post shit just because I can anon.
At least we have decent artists now.

>>3112073
You don't just call something shit just because you dislike it. I'm not a particular fan of their artstyle too, but it's certainly not "shit".

>>3112076
Yes I can, because it's my opinion.
Don't take it so personally jesus.

>>3112077
Well, yeah being a rude shit is sure your choice. Whatever.
>Don't take it so personally jesus.
???

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Can we please get back to focusing on the series? Next ep is going to air soon and hopefully it would produce more interesting content for drawings.

I din't plan to post anything else today but to break this fight have some zaShunina enjoying himself at the fest.
Its' a WIP and part of a bigger illustration but that would take a while to finish.
I wish Sansa was real so I could work on this nonstop but unfortunately I'm going to sleep.

>>3112079
Thank you, anon, it's adorable.

>>3112079
Cute. I like the way you draw hands. Thanks for sharing.

>>3112068
Quality > Quantity
And there are artists that are leagues better.

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Oh.

>>3112105
True, why fill a thread with low q images when you can actually spend the time to find the really good art? Boggles the mind.

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>>3112105
>>3112107
It's a personal preference. I don't mind that artist.

>>3112079
That's really good, anon. Cutest cat.

>>3112105
But not that many pics in this fandom that are leagues better. It's very limited. And to be frank, the artist isn't even bad - the people bitching about them are coming off as dipshits.

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Can we just stop arguing and post pictures? If you don't like something, hide the post, it's that simple.

>>3112079
I want to protect that 40D smile.

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There sure is a lot of art with this theme.

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>his smile and optimism: lost

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Everything hurts and nothing is okay.

So does the latest episode means that we're getting both the straight end and the homo end

>>3112252
Probably straight. It felt forced as hell, but I can't see zaShunina getting a happy ending. We've already seen that the clones can't fill the void, and going by the episode preview, they're going to be building a weapon that can harm him.

>>3112254
They've emphasised his suffering so much that I can't really see him not getting some reward at the end at least.

>>3112269
>Come to Earth as a blank slate intent on elevating humanity to the anisotropic
>Bond with a human and slowly gain emotions
>Fall in love but lack the experience to understand it
>Made a few big mistakes with the best of intentions (by anisotropic standards, at least)
>Lose the trust and hurt the one person you care about, who goes on to marry another
>Copies can't fill the void
>Whenever the original Shindo spreads the word, he'll become the enemy of humanity, and they'll use the gifts he gave them to attack him.
>Too human to go back to being anisotropic
>Too alien to live as a human
I hope to hell he gets some kind of redemption and happy ending. His suffering physically hurts me.

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>>3112270
His quiet isolation and sorrow at the end was sad as hell. Funny how in ep6 they wondered if he knew loneliness, and it turned out that he hadn't until he came to Earth.

>>3112301
I want to laugh at how much the show has shat on him but then I would feel bad. More suffering incoming.

>>3112302
Thing is, the way he got treated is extremely realistic. Neither the characters in the show nor the audience ever doubted that humanising him was a good thing ("aww, the alien doesn't know how to hold the phone") and the only worry was that he might learn something that could harm humans. Humans saw themselves in him and wondered what he could do to them, but ultimately it was all about us. His deeper perspective never really mattered to anybody.

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last episode will just be this on loop

>>3112305
>>3112270
People were wondering why the OP sequence associated him (a technologically advanced, otherworldly being) with a pristine forest, and now we know.

>>3112325
No killing permitted, my friend

>>3112327
Killing of what, tea?

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>>3112328
Murder of sentient life forms

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>>3112330
He wouldn't know anything about that, considering how much hurting someone shocked him.

>>3112337
>decide to put up a wall of light instead of kill Shindo
My fucking heart.

>>3112337
Pretty sure when he wanted him to 'disappear' he wasn't expecting it would have been messy.
And I hate to be that guy, but can we not clog up the thread with webms?

>>3112346
>Pretty sure when he wanted him to 'disappear' he wasn't expecting it would have been messy.
Among other things. The anisotropics don't seem to be organic in the way we understand it and they probably don't even have conflict (the conversation at the beginning of the episode indicated they just "agree to disagree" at most). Violence and death are completely abstract to them, and reading some books obviously wouldn't change his understanding all that much.

And now for something a little more upbeat
>http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31374570

>>3112380
>miniKado clouded when his heart broke
Poor alien. Hope the threesome compromise theory ends up to be right.

>>3112385
The very first episode makes a point of emphasizing that negotiation is about coming to a conclusion that makes both sides happy, which at least gives me hope for zaShunina not having to suffer forever or, hell, DIE.

>>3112270
My heart just tore in half, thanks anon.

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I want to see a gangbang doujin with zaShunina and the Shindo clones.

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Let us remember happier times.

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There's a pretty good new smutfic on AO3 now, if that's something anyone cares about.

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>>3112387
>>3112385
Pic related.

>>3112341
>decide to put up a wall of light instead of kill Shindo
>My fucking heart.
What? There's every indication he still had the intent to kill Shindo after he dealt with Tsukai. I want them to have a happy ending too, but don't be delusional - the crossed swords of light was just cinematography.

He only seemed regretful, or more likely just unsettled, after seeing all the blood and thinking about what just happened.

>>3112563
Firstly, it's inefficient as a fuck to make a barrier of light when you might as well get rid of him pre-emptively.

Secondly, the ensuing conversation is extremely long so clearly there is no immediate danger and moreover he makes several attempts to persuade Shindo during it to validify his position.

Thirdly, there is no reason for him to participate in such a long winded conversation as he has already pidgeonholed Tsukai's stance as something unfixable (a naturalist) and clearly he is treading over old ground/has decided that her antagonistic attitude is not redeemable, but he still attempts persuasion. Point 3a - The clone that zaShunina is showing Shindo did not get exposed to the conversation and derives no benefit from it. Point 3b - If zaShunina considered Shindo to have been completely unreceptive to the conversation he would not have made the dialogue in the first place which suggests that he still hopes that he can win Shindo over.

Fourthly, there was authorial intent to show Shindo jumping in the way of the laser designed to remove Tsukai, not zaShunina shooting Shindo directly, therefore portraying zaShunina as the potential accidental instigator of Shindo's death, not the direct instigator/aggressor.

Together, points one to four suggest to me as the viewer that zaShunina has had given some reconsideration about killing Shindo and would do so only if the outcome of the conversation was poor, rather than at the end of last episode when it was implied that the decision was immediate.

I believe that the authorial intent of the cliffhanger at the end of the previous episode where it was implied that zaShunina was going to kill Shindo only existed for the authorial intent of shock value anyway.

>>3112566
*
Anyway, I'm sure that there's one person dying and it sure as hell isn't going to be Shindo or Tsukai.

>>3112566
I think he did intend to erase the current Shindo, but couldn't quite make himself do it despite all the reasons telling him he should. It's pretty telling that he asks both of them to prove him wrong instead; the effort was doomed to failure because of how agitated and terrified they all were, but it's clear he was still trying to avoid hurting any Shindo at all.

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>>3112566
I think you're looking into things way too deeply. A good deal of what went on was pretty stereotypical (with a touch of bad writing). "Villainous" monologuing, flashy moves, the whole "sacrificial human shield" thing - all of it. But never once was there another offer for Shindo to change his mind - zaShunina was just arguing his point for the sake of being right. He was, at least during the conversation, very firm in that he was more than happy to try things with a new Shindo as many times as needed (though afterwards, maybe not so much - we'll see). And had Tsukai never shown up, Shindo would be dead - I don't think zaShunina would be wishy-washy about it - the current Shindo had become a liability.

I agree that after the fact, zaShunina was disturbed by what went on. He still doesn't understand his emotions (which made him sperg out in the first place), and likely wasn't prepared for Shindo's actions, the blood, and most of all (I think), being rejected and disagreed with. But he's still set on his "right answer" - which involves a dead Shindo. At least for now. Also, I don't think he necessarily views the clone as anything less than Shindo (yet) - but he is probably still very unsettled, and perhaps due to developing human concepts and whatnot even feels guilty about what went on.

That said, I believe Shindo is still in a reasonable amount of danger. Look at it this way: zaShunina has introduced the clone and lied about recent events to the others - he's written the original Shindo off as persona non grata. That means he still intends to kill him, or lock him up in his Shindo fetish sex chamber forever - to do otherwise would ruin his end goal. His morality is still alien at this point. He's willing to destroy most of humanity, just so even one can make it to the level of the anisotropic.

I don't think any of the three of them will die. I'm sure we'll get a "negotiation end" with the three of them somehow figuring out a "true right answer."

>>3112579
>I think he did intend to erase the current Shindo, but couldn't quite make himself do it despite all the reasons telling him he should.
The current Shindo would be dead if he hadn't been saved though. zaShunina almost certainly had the resolve to do it. After all, "Shindo" would still exist, just not the one that was privy to too much information.

After the whole mess, however, zaShunina may come to question his own actions, or somehow be convinced that he's in the wrong. Probably a bit of both.

>>3112579
>>3112580
>>3112581
He was, I am sure, procrastinating on what he saw was the inevitable. However, another thing that makes me think that zaShunina was not very committed to killing Shindo is this:
>He sees Shindo bleeding obviously in distress but not dead and makes no attempt to pursue where Tsukai has gone
>later he is seen holding a star shaped object which he claims contains Tsukai
Tsukai and Shindo must be instead a light/white brownish room of some sort but the colour was also different. Tsukai says that she made an alt dimension but perhaps they're either in the star shaped thing or maybe she escaped somewhere else and zaShunina lied.

In either case, if zaShunina was committed to the idea of making sure that Shindo is dead he ought to follow up on his assumptions as not seeing the body is a cardinal pitfall.

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I saw it as Nina viewing it as a necessary evil. There's no reason he'd take any joy in killing Shindo. He's obviously not prepared for the emotional and visceral reactions that come with murder (especially since he "loves" him). But Shindo knew too much and had become a threat to the current plans of the anisotropic, and had also turned him down. He doesn't *like* the idea of doing it, but *wants* to because the copy-Shindo is, in his mind, exactly the same -3 hours of damaging info. He just saved scummed to the extreme to meet his various objectives. So, apart from that first blocked attack, he probably was procrastinating, yeah, but likely set on his path, just not happy about it.

>Tsukai and Shindo must be instead a light/white brownish room of some sort but the colour was also different. Tsukai says that she made an alt dimension but perhaps they're either in the star shaped thing or maybe she escaped somewhere else and zaShunina lied.
>In either case, if zaShunina was committed to the idea of making sure that Shindo is dead he ought to follow up on his assumptions as not seeing the body is a cardinal pitfall.
I'm willing to believe her when she said he couldn't find them - so it's not like he could look for the body. Though it'd be interesting if he had them in a trap and they didn't even know it. But I do just think Nina is lying and that those two are now a liability he'll have to confront.

So zaShunina is pretty much willing to wipe out humanity and kill Shindo's over and over again so long as he manages to get a Shindo to the anisotropic to meet with the real him on a higher level? We've gone full interdimensional space outer god yandere and I'm not sure how I feel about it...

>>3112585
Well, not entirely. He'd prefer to uplift as many people as possible, but if that's not an option, even just one (his husbando) would be acceptable, because it'd make both Shindo and a piece of humanity effectively immortal and part of the greater universe forever. As he sees it, human evolution was a great and extremely rare thing, but if nothing is done, mankind will simply die off soon (at least by the anisotropic standards) and the miracle will be lost again, leaving nothing behind. But if he uplifts at least some humans, the species as a whole will reach its full potential and will survive for eternity.

>>3112582
I don't think he's committed to anything anymore. Everything he thought he knew has fallen apart and he's not even sure why.

>>3112591
>>3112594
I think that an acceptable solution would be to ascertain which humans would be capable of being ascended.

All the gifts seem like he's trying to screen/sift for potential anisotropics.

>>3112595
Yeah. The situation could be still turned around if they managed to calm him down and soften Tsukai's objections. The problem is that both Tsukai and zaShunina are now saddled with their incredible long perspectives and emotions at the same time, making them very unyielding because they are viscerally aware of the potential loss like humans can't even imagine.

>>3112595
I agree about the gifts essentially being a screening tool, but I feel like even with them, it's implied that the causality rate would be staggering. That's still not acceptable.

>>3112626
But the possibilities, anon. Then again, I thought the Overmind transformation in Childhood's End was a good end too.

We're going to hit bump limit before image limit at this rate.

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>>3112542

>>3112629
Oh, I understand the possibilities. What zaShunina and the anisotropic majority wants isn't "evil" - it's "good" in its own ways. But the ascension of mankind that they want has a number of flaws and the potential for a tragic amount of collateral damage. It's also incredibly selfish - they're willing to exterminate humanity in order to be able to meet with even just one on a higher level, rather than stoop low and interact with them in the cocoon as Tsukai has. And not just meet, but don't forget their main goal is to preserve their information generation for eternity. I think that might change as the series comes to a close. It'd be interesting if Earth became a sort of tourist spot for the anisotropic, and the "uplift" continued in a more innocuous manner.

I suppose it's a bit like the idea of Third Impact in Evangelion - except even that was less harmful in that (almost) everyone got tang'd, whereas in Kado most of them would simply be erased, and those that remained would essentially become everlasting information farms. And would they even really be human anymore, or just new anisotropic beings?

>>3112641
>What zaShunina and the anisotropic majority wants isn't "evil" - it's "good" in its own ways.
He actually mentioned that his opinion is the minority one; most anisotropics favor non-intervention and non-interaction.
>It's also incredibly selfish - they're willing to exterminate humanity in order to be able to meet with even just one on a higher level, rather than stoop low and interact with them in the cocoon as Tsukai has.
As zaShunina pointed out, our space is very cramped and limiting. Interacting here means that neither party - humans nor the anisotropics - can show its true potential and ability. Any interaction ends up being very rudimentary and limited, like trying to hold a philosophical conversation by blinking at each other.
>And would they even really be human anymore, or just new anisotropic beings?
I suppose they'd be a new, third race. zaShunina and Tsukai are already halfway there, but a true hybrid probably wouldn't feel as conflicted or partisan as they do.

>>3112653
>He actually mentioned that his opinion is the minority one; most anisotropics favor non-intervention and non-interaction.
Then how does he have the full backing of the anisotropic? I'm pretty certain he just mentioned the naturalist viewpoint was common, not a majority though.
>As zaShunina pointed out, our space is very cramped and limiting. Interacting here means that neither party - humans nor the anisotropics - can show its true potential and ability. Any interaction ends up being very rudimentary and limited, like trying to hold a philosophical conversation by blinking at each other.
That still doesn't make it right or any less selfish. Tsukai seems to be getting on fine.
>I suppose they'd be a new, third race. zaShunina and Tsukai are already halfway there, but a true hybrid probably wouldn't feel as conflicted or partisan as they do.
I agree. However, Tsukai is clearly a "lesser" being than zaShunina is. The whole scene of her descending implied she lost a great deal of her nature as an anisotropic being, which is maybe why she's closer to human than he is (plus the whole watching our whole evolution and being reborn as one thing). I don't think she's too conflicted either. zaShunina on the other hand... I think he's got plenty of suffering and confusion left in the tank.

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Can we at least post images as we debate?

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>The second chapter of that one fic on Ao3 is up
nice.

>>3112654
>Then how does he have the full backing of the anisotropic?
did i miss something? where do they say in the show that he has 'full backing'?

>>3112745
They never did. zaShunina only said he has the full power of an anisotropic being, as opposed to Tsukai, who lost most of hers when she first incarnated on Earth.

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>>3112653
>>3112745
>>3112803
He says that the naturalist viewpoint is "a typical" one, not a majority. He also absolutely never implies that his interventionist viewpoint is a minority view either. Remember, when we watch Tsukai's descent, most of the other "speakers" found her desire to want to lower herself into the cocoon eccentric, but not completely crazy.

I'm sure he doesn't have "the full backing of the anisotropic" in a political/social sense, but he has full access to anisotropic abilities, unlike Tsukai. I'd argue his being equipped with Kado and allowed the full use of his powers implies that he is indeed an official emissary of whatever body of consensus exists in the anisotropic. Remember, the anisotropic is essentially addicted to the information humanity puts out. It would make sense for most of them to absolutely be opposed to the eventual extinction of humanity, and to go forward with an uplift, even if a good number don't agree.

I'm sure that Nina is probably deviating from the agenda a bit and going a bit wacky due to the whole emotions thing, but I'm sure he's had his "right answer" from the start.

>>3112674
It was pretty good. It reminded me of "The Painted Stage" which is an excellent Berserk fanfiction, which you should check out if you're into that fandom.

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Reposting this edit from /a/ because it's hilarious

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This one is my favorite.

>>3112987
He's going to fuck the clone next episode isn't he?

>>3112989
All of the clones, but it still won't be enough to dull the pain.

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The manga is weird.

Apart from Pixiv and Twitter, where are anons finding their art for this? I haven't had much luck.

>>3113035
Chinese sites, from what I recall, although I don't personally browse those. Lofter, I believe?

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I didn't ask for this suffering.

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Oh cool, new batch of stuff on Pixiv.

>>3113240
>Thinks it'll be just like hitting the delete button and he can use his old save file
>Oh shit what's all this red stuff wtf did I do that look like it hurt

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Not gonna lie, seeing zaShunina this pissed off makes me happy somehow.

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And this was only inevitable.

>>3113260
>so hurt and frustrated and confused that the instinctive option is to eliminate the source of this agony
It makes my heart hurt for him.

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I actually liked this episode.

fujobait evolved into just plain sadism this year, holy shit

>>3113262
Galactic-scale heartbreak is a terrifying thing.

>>3113276
People who'd read the author's other works were predicting it since day one. His love stories tend to be mindbreakingly twisted and very genuine at the same time.

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>reading Romeo and Juliet
>while fingering the bookmark Shindo made for him
He's so in love it physically pains me.

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This was cute.

>>3113320
Truly the purest girl (male-genderless) of the year.

>>3113262
Yeah. Looks like zaShunina gave 0 shits about the clones, considering how he pretty much murdered them all. The acting clone on the outside getting like... crushed? Idk what Kado even did to him... that was just cold. Guess he realized people are most that just save points.

I still like this show, but I'm frustrated with it. Would of preferred more social/political/existential uplifting stuff, not magical girls and amoral dimensional alien quasi-extermination shenanigans. And definitely not a fricken power armor boss battle.

And zaShunina has just crossed a few too many moral event horizons for me to really sympathize with him at this point. I guess I just pity him a bit, despite how many people he probably just killed with Kado's expansion (or maybe it's like the plane? But come to think of it, what if everyone originally on the plane is dead and the people we've seen are just clones...?). It's a bit like feeling bad for a clinically insane mass murderer who honestly believes they have the best intentions.

Here's to hoping the negotiation involves him and Shindo peacefully going to the anisotropic together somehow (Hanamori's reaction to their plan made it seem like a goodbye) and leaving the rest of humanity free to choose or something. Also Hanamori is best boy and his scene was great. I also really loved how sad and emotional Shindo and zaShunina sounded at the end - I don't think we've ever heard Shindo talk that softly.

meh, shindo doesn't give a fuck, it's pretty clear he's just threading carefully for the sake of negotiation
a negotiation he only cares because he is jesus now or something, and is gonna die for our sins (as if)
also, gotta love how they wasted all those episodes developing his relationship with zaShunina just to shit all over it in the end
if they wanted to no homo it so desperately, there were better ways to do it without demonizing zaShunina or turning Saraka into a mary-sue... why not make zaShunina be the one to approximate them? gathering info on human interactions etc (there was no reason for her to be an anisotropic too other than speshul powers)
but no, gotta have muh "cosmic entities at battle destroying mankind" because it's not done ten times a season
it's like rewatching the big o... /rant

>>3113359
Kado only processes matter if zaShunina allows it to; he can also keep it preserved without any negative consequences.
>But come to think of it, what if everyone originally on the plane is dead and the people we've seen are just clones...?)
There's absolutely no evidence of that. zaShunina made it very clear what happened to those people, and since he was unable to lie back them, it should be taken as the truth.

>>3113370
He was not incapable of lying but incapable of seeing the benefits of lying.

>>3113376
I'd say he was incapable of lying too. He couldn't tell when Shindo was lying to him either; it took him a while to learn.

>>3113401
I considered that a type of naivete rather than incapability.

Which makes me wonder whether or not he first conceived of ascension when he came with Kado (it's a border transformer so perhaps he held that view from the beginning) or whether it later developed as he interacted more with humankind (when we consider lying by omission or perhaps simply not mentioning his intentions).

He definitely lies later on with Tsukai (as reassurance) and with the Shindo clone presence. I think he killed the clones later on because he recognised that the lies he made for himself offered no reassuarance.

>>3113365
Eh, I think Shindo is aware that zaShunina is somewhat unstable at the moment, and that he's important to him in some way or another. He knows he has to stop him, but probably still feels some sort of friendship/bond with him.
>>3113411
I'm fairly certain the goal of Ascension was his, and the majority of the anisotropic, goal from the start (though it certainly had its dissidents). Kado itself and the "gifts" seem like they were all prepared beforehand specifically for it.

>>3113411
The anisotropics don't lie to each other (their communication is direct and absolute), so it's not exactly naivete; it's just their nature. It also took him quite a long time to grasp the difference between normal Japanese and polite Japanese (the kind you use in public), indicating that "saving face" or sugarcoating is not a thing for them.

As for the ascension, it was definitely his original goal. He had watched Earth for a while, realized we won't live long enough to realize our full potential, and decided to do something about it. He came meticulously prepared for everything except the one thing he couldn't anticipate: his own emotional vulnerability.

I feel like ZaShunina's mental and emotional fallout from "killing" Shindo (trying rather) has made him start to value individual humans/the originals, not just the idea of replaceable data. (Or maybe only Shindo, but I'm being optimistic). Hopefully, this might help Shindo get through to him - he could very well be about to permanently delete billions of people, and might be able to be convinced to call it off if our negotiator can appeal to him emotionally.

Here's to hoping the Light Novel has a better ending for these guys.

It'll probably never get translated though.

>>3113340
>that wiggling
Kawaii as fuck

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I love this artist.

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And now for your daily recommended allowance of suffering and despair.

>>3113460
>filename
In a way, that's exactly what he is now. His isolation couldn't bother him before, but now he can actually feel all those billions of years of emptiness.

Has anyone else preordered the zaShunina figure? Has the way the series turned out affected your decision to do it or not do it at all?

>>3113514
I don't buy figs, so no. It's still my favourite anime in years, though.

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Pretty cool kind of final boss-esque design.

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>>3113443
Oops, I posted the unfinished version.

>>3113514
I told myself from the start that if the series turned out to be Bait: The Wrong Answer I wouldn't put a cent into it. So I sure am glad I held off on preordering anything.

>>3113514
I really want it. I may not like the direction the show took, but zaShunina is still best boy of the season.

>>3113574
>if my waifu doesn't get a happy ending, it's bait
I see the definition of bait has been expanded to absurdity.

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>>3113586
>>3113574
Can we not?
Please leave that kind of argument to the threads on /a/. /cm/ is for the posting of cute boys. Some discussion is fine, but can we remain civil at least a little here?

>>3113603
Haoro is out of control.

>>3113586
>spends several episodes building a relationship between two guys, but in a very close way that was not needed at all for the story to make sense
>one guy turns into some sort of yandere
>makes a character randomly gay for no reason whatsoever
>picks the most suggestive scenes for previews
>suggestive official art
>but then breaks the two apart and then proceeds to show a close-up of a heterosexual kiss in nice detail

nope, I see no bait here!

>>3113588
report this post later

>>3113606
>everything must be same-sex only and relationships must always end well, even though real humans don't work that way
Here's your (You).

>>3113747
I like how zaShunina just stares at Victor with those world weary eyes.

>>3113749
>real human

>>3113766
>I have seen things you wouldn't believe. I have known suffering unknown to man.

>>3113514
Always room for a heartbroken prettyboy entity in my life. Anything that comes down to 3D is going to find themselves in turmoil. Such is the nature of physicality.

Japan tells stories about the shadow of Light so well. First time I've seen multiverse entities conceptualized this well.

Is there any way for zaShunina's suffering to end that isn't death?

>>3113804
Victor gets the easy ride.

>>3113911
Looking really Kaworu here.

>>3113912
Looks like it might be from an Eva fanartist, the style seems familiar.

>>3113749
o great, another newfag who doesn't know what bait means

>>3113861
Pretty sure zaShunina can't die, though his reading choices in ep11 hint he's considered it.

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zaShunina is the miracle of the universe.

>>3114219
Doing what Tsukai did and losing most of his dimensions to be reborn on Earth is probably the closest he can truly come to death.

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A hug in the last episode, that's all I ask. Just a simple hug. That's not too much, is it, Nozaki?

>>3114271
True. Another anisotropic in ep10 described it as "suicide" for them.

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>>3114269
>universe
I think you mean *anisotropic.

>>3114275
>zaShunina taking care of child Shindo
I never realized how much I wanted this

>>3114279
Good thing he read the Tale of Genji. Now he knows how to raise your own waifu.

>>3114294
Oh geeze.

>>3114296
>Please stroke my other dimensions as well.
2cute4me

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>>3114358

>>3114484
>Hanamori: So, I guess I'm your present?
>zaShunina: Unneeded.
>Hanamori: It's his bluntness that really hurts...
>Shindo: You asked for it. You know what he's like.
Kek. Poor Hanamori.

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>>3114602

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>>3114603

>>3114603
>>3114604
I have a feeling that Shindo is literally unable to blush.

Seikasuru Kado was a mistake.

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The only good thing to come out of this episode was zaShunina's facial expressions.
He didn't deserve such a horrible ending. Who even approved this?

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So much wasted potential.
Best boy deserved better.
Both best boys deserved better.
Neither zaShunina nor Hanamori deserved any of this shit.

Well lads, it hurts. Not because het end, but because the entire story was written with the directive of making zaShunina suffer as much as possible.
Thinking about canceling my figure preorder. On the one hand, I don't want to give money to this garbage and it's insulting that they have marketed zaShunina the way they did only to give himt he ending he got. On the other hand, I love him so much and he's beautiful.

>>3114773
I didn't even think those were a plus, because it hurt to watch him feel that way.

>zaShunina turns into a yandere out of nowhere
>Saraka turns into a mary-sue out of nowhere
>"best" negotiator can't negotiate worth shit
>Hanamori was only made gay so he could be left alone with a little girl for 16 years
>along comes Renesmee to save the day
>saving the day means taking all the alien knowledge and progress away
>the whole series was for nothing

how is it not bait again? it baited even those who just expected decent writing
this was basically twilight fanfiction

>>3114783
It's so shit it's borderline comedy.

>>3114780
>On the one hand, I don't want to give money to this garbage and it's insulting that they have marketed zaShunina the way they did only to give himt he ending he got. On the other hand, I love him so much and he's beautiful.
Don't cancel. He deserves better. Give him a better ending even if it's just a spot on your shelf.

>>3114757
This.

Who is responsible for this trainwreck? Toei advertisement was suprisingly misleading and almost made me throw at them $100 for that zaShunina figure. Even if this show ended up mediocore I still would consider buying merch because Nina is best boy, but now looking at his gentle smile would only remind me of his suffering and make me depressed. I just can't.

How such a huge company can fail that badly at marketing? Toei is a mistake.

>>3114789
That sentiment is the only reason I haven't canceled. I just want to hold him.

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>>3114780
>I didn't even think those were a plus, because it hurt to watch him feel that way.
I'd agree, but I love watching him emote. Even his tears were beautiful.

>>3114780
>>3114789

I don't know, if they pull this kind of shit and still sell well, there will be even more shit in the future.
Between this and IBO, I hope you guys learnt a lesson.

>>3114793
>That little excited hop
God damn, zaShunina is cute.

>>3114793
I did like this part. Talk about being overloaded. It was endearing to see him cycle through so much while trying to decide what emotion to settle on. The animation of his hands...
But all the devastation later on was too much for me.

>>3114794
I didn't watch IBO. What lesson am I taking away from this? I knew we wouldn't get a gay ending, but how was I supposed to expect both gay characters to be so absolutely obliterated? It was gratuitous.Hanamori's is a bit typical, I guess, but they really did make zaShunina suffer in agony until his very last moment.

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>>3114796
>they really did make zaShunina suffer in agony until his very last moment.
>The last thing he ever saw was his treasured bookmark disintegrating in his hand.

>>3114799
I want to die.
Honestly, I would rather not have experienced this best boy at all than have to watch what was done to him. It hurts so much.

>>3114796
Shino (confirmed bisexual after the series ended) died stupidly; Yamagi, who had a crush on him, was cucked for eternity.

That apart, the plot also went progressively down the drain towards the end.

This is already /a/'s favourite year. Godfuck.

>>3114789
>>3114792
I don't think it's wise to give them 100$ after this shit. I mean won't you constantly be reminded of this trainwreck every time you see the figure? Do you want to encourage them making more bad shows since they apparently sell?

>>3114802
>I mean won't you constantly be reminded of this trainwreck every time you see the figure
Maybe, but best boy deserved far better. The anime ending on such an unfortunate note doesn't make me like zaShu any less.
If anything, his suffering made me love him more.

>>3114799
It hurts so much that he suffered so much, I'm mad. Fuck.

This whole fucking show was a fucking mistake.

>>3114815
I know right. I'm used to Kaworu clones dying horribly at some point, but at least they kinda die in "peace" with themselves.
zaShunina died alone, frustrated and in vain, because he basically didn't accomplish anything (except learning how to suffer).

Well that was a downer ending. Oh well.

You'd think that yaoi on ice would show people that it's ok to not give the gays a bad end. Well, maybe next time.

>>3114837
It was emotional torture porn. A gluttonous display of zaShunina's confusion, frustration, humiliation, and the ruination of his pure heart.

>>3114801
Everyone died in IBO. The show issue was the lack of screentime for 20 eps.

>>3114857
Since it's later revealed Shino would've said yes, it feels like he just died so the gay wouldn't happen.
Maybe it's just paranoia, but I don't know anymore, man.

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Ending sucked. Post your happiest zaShuninas.

When are DVDs out again? I need the catharsis of watching this wreck flop.

Even with the shady stuff he was up to, I don't think that Zashunina deserved that much suffering.

>>3114877
July 26th (volume 1) and September 27th (volume 2).

Not sure about Japan, but I have a feeling it will sell really well in Amurika.

>>3114881
He really didn't. Hell, everything could have been solved and no one would have had to die if Shindo had just agreed to go with him on the condition zaShu left the rest of the world alone.
That would have been a negotiation, not... Whatever that stupid baby ex machina plan was.
Shindo would rather die than go with zaShunina, and ruin several other lives in the process.
It's like Hanamori said; Shindo is too selfish.

>>3114780
Cancel. Don't support the people who made that awful ending and killed our boi

Biggest trainwreck of the season.

No one support this shit. Like the characters for their designs sure, but their personalities/the ending was butchered HARD

feels bad man

>>3114889
but muh drama

Although, I don't think Shindo is really dead. And when Saraka finishes her human life experience, they will be reunited.
(if not a sequel, this is how the novel will end)

So, can something like zaShunina even die or was his physical form just destroyed and he was booted out of the cocoon by the autistic plot device that was the future daughter thing? Or can she just like, completely erase him cuz lol mega plusotropic being ningen hybrid? (Also, the daughter was talking to dead SHindo, so does that mean the dead (zaShunina included maybe?) still exist as information?

>>3114773
Yeah, his faces and motions (also, picking himself up with his hands) were great. I loved >>3114793 because you can see so much going on: surprise, anger, confusion, and absolute excitement... His human emotions, which have made him act like an idiot, just went completely out of control there.

>>3114799
This made me unbelievably mad. Him being a complete retard and literally ripping out Shindo's heart was pretty bad too. But watching him desperately just want to be with Shindo and get cucked in every which way possible was frustrating.

>>3114889
Thing is, I think it was made clear that ALL of humanity would have to be absorbed, and likely destroyed, just to be able to create a foolproof way to bring even just one human through. Shindo agreeing to go if everyone else was left alone was never going to be on the table.

>>3114891
There were parts I didn't mind. I liked the yandere, emotionally unstable zaShinina bit... I just really disliked how it was handled, and the addition of magical girls and a final showdown. I wanted negotiation and agreements, not this. I DO like the whole "let's go meet the anisotropic ourselves bit" - I would've liked that, minus the apocalyptic sideshow.
>cut out the mega powerful daughter
>Shindo convinces zaShunina and the anisotropic that mass murder is bad mmkay
>tell them humanity wants to meet them on their own, but will accept their help
>earth becomes a vacation spot for anisotropic eccentrics
>Shindo brings zaShunina around the world on an adventure and shows him how to be human

Or anything. Just not the hot garbage we got.

>>3114969
>So, can something like zaShunina even die or was his physical form just destroyed and he was booted out of the cocoon by the autistic plot device that was the future daughter thing? Or can she just like, completely erase him cuz lol mega plusotropic being ningen hybrid? (Also, the daughter was talking to dead SHindo, so does that mean the dead (zaShunina included maybe?) still exist as information?
He'd probably be better off dead to be honest.
>Gets booted back to Novo.
>Most of his anisotropic buddies are pissed at him for fucking up and causing an even higher being to be born (but secretly doing lines of information about it behind his back)
>Get's to spend eternity calming down, sorting his feelings out, and slowly coming to grips about what went down.
>oh fuck i dropped my information spaghetti so hard and ended up ripping out Shindo's heart oh shit wtf why was I so dumb
>Then gets to wallow in misery for all of existence - his peers don't get it, think he's strange, and ostracize him due to his new human emotions.
Either way, zaShunina's story was just one of pure suffering for literally no point, other than spawning a omnipotent being that seems to give 0 shits about anything.

>>3114780
Cancel. Why support his suffering?

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I'm a mix of being happy it's over and absolutely furious at the direction it abruptly swerved to and ended in.

Hopefully the light novel has a better end.

No matter what zaShunina still a (potentially evil/amoral) cute.

>>3114969
I'm fairly certain the sparkling lights floating away were an indicator that he "survived" in some way or another.

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>>3114780

Cancel and reorder at a later date? If they get enough cancellations after this trash maybe it will send some message, and you can be pretty confident that they probably won't all sell.

Sorry, all I have is official art.

>>3114780
Cancel and get a used one later, so they don't get the extra money, and to send a message that just because we're nerds doesn't mean we'll eat up any ol' garbage.

so what will be the next promising show that ends up swerwing into a wall while piling suffering onto the undeserving

>>3115017
Suffering is fine but having a shit plot is cancerous and pulling the exact same shitty trope twice (two magic girls, both out of precisely nowhere with no foreshadowing) is a cardinal sin.

The next plot to swerve into a wall is probably going to be the season finale of Doctor Who. The last time a good plot happened, it was immediately followed by a shit season finale. This season the penultimate episode is quite excellent and so it will probably be followed by something absolutely shit as the script writer decides not to kill/permanently harm characters.

Being a good writer is about not cheaping out on killing/permanent maiming but it is also about doing it in a non retarded way.

Reflecting back on an episode should not cause the viewer to suddenly see gaping plot holes like: Why on earth did Shindo suddenly decide to commit literal suicide rather than getting his super powered daughter to take down or at least neutralise zaShunina? Or at least have her around to heal him if he was planning on dying? Or having Tsukai around to heal him?

It certainly activates the almonds.

There are also retarded aspects about why zaShunina would even want to fight or fight in a retarded way if he was crying unless it was because the writers had no idea how to make the plot move. Characters quickly started behaving like plot devices like magic girl Tsukai who conveniently appeared and magic girl Tsukai 2 who conveniently appeared when Tsukai failed.

There's only so many times you can pull a trick so retarded without looking like the writer belongs to a mental asylum.

Steven Moffat, at least, is a talentless one trick pony but he knows to borrow or steal ideas off his betters to make his stuff stand out even if it can get terribly bland, Nozaki is, I don't even know what to say, completely retarded, unless of course it's the production commitee making his decisions for him.

>>3115018
I think that trying to tackle something like this in 12 episodes was simply far too ambitious.

But yeah. The fact they spent, what, 9 episodes making us agree attached to zaShunina and developing his and Shindo's relationship and mostly doing social/political stuff, only to take an abrubt swan dive into some bizarro evil all along junk made me mad. Them deciding to solve it via deus ex machina magical girl, and then ANOTHER one from literally out of nowhere made me furious.

Hanamori got it pretty bad too, the more i think about it. Shindo hooks up with some lady that he suddenly has feelings for out of nowhere, then asks him to spend 16 years trapped in a pocket dimension raising the child that he suddenly has, and then fucking dies. And then his semi-adopted daughter leaves him too.

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>>3114881
I'm pretty sure it's the point that he didn't deserve it. As it turned out, it was the first contact story for zaShunina, not humanity. He was literally a child among us, completely innocent and his openness and malleability doomed him.
It's a very twisted and cruel story, but I'm actually impressed they had the balls to do it.

>>3115057
I mean, I and you and others see it that way, yeah, but the narrative didn't frame it that way at all, from my perception of it. Sure, they flooded us with sympathetic shots of zaShunina, but ultimately the story championed Tsukai's directive and ended by framing zaShunina as detrimental to us. In reality, we were detrimental to him.

>>3115070
Well to be fair, it went both ways. His plan of bringing a human to the anisotropic, and killing most of us off, was likely his endgame from day one. The drama with Shindo and emotional breakdown was the result of him being unprepared for humanity.

>>3115082
I think my beef with that justification is a result of the show initially presenting itself as a question of morality delivered unto the viewer, instead of a position and lesson on it. The first few episodes made me feel like we were being asked what was right; the final few made me feel like we were being told. Even if there were audience members who would have agreed with zaShunina's directive, it was ultimately delivered for them as the "wrong answer". I'm not saying that's uncommon in shows, but I am saying it's not what I expected from it after I watched the first half or so of the show. It seems disingenuous in that way.

>>3115135
Oh no, I totally agree.

The show started off as a "naturalism vs uplifting" type deal, and the social/political/economic ramifications. It made you think, and wonder what the "right answer" was. We got to watch zaShunina cutely deal with learning to be being human. I really liked it.

But then it took a swan dive in the opposite direction. Suddenly, zaShunina wasn't so benevolent (in our eyes) and had his own right answer from the start, that didn't match (most of) our own. The show nurtured our affection for zaShunina for, what, 9 episodes? And then suddenly, he's a yandere information druggie who wants to kill off all of humanity for his husbando and gettin them fine data dabs. This was unfortunate, but I was able to bear with it.

And then we get shown that he even understands that original/individual people matter, and that forcing them is wrong, etc... etc... and then there's a shounen-tier clash and he gets BTFO'd by NTR with a literally who outta nowhere and two sets of magical girl ex machina. The fuck?

They could of gone for a negotiation end, or anything. Instead they just said "fuck it, bring in hyper-anisotropic girl raised by the gay coworker" and gave up.

At least it doesn't seem like zaShunina or Shindo are actually dead, and both felt bad for what went down in the end.

I just want to move on from this garbage and feel less mad about it. Still tho, Nina was a 10/10 would make my waifu (sorry rest of humanity).

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The problem is that we were TOLD to side with Shindo, but not SHOWN why.
Just in the last episode alone: zaShunina is this cute oddball of emotions, while Shindo is the "genius" who forced his best friend to waste 16 years of his life raising a daughter he abandoned. Not to mention he claims to love Saraka, but separated a mother from her own child, basically committed suicide in front of her just to stroke his own ego and drove his own daughter to kill a man.

BTW, what was the plan if the negotiation succeeded? "Oh, I guess I just made Hanamori waste 16 years of his life raising a potentially traumatized child, all for nothing. Oops!"

Even if they manage to make a sequel and get the family reunited, those 16 years won't just disappear, nor will the shit Shindo put them through.

Fuck, I'm one of those fags who passed the 1000 animes. I've seen plenty of bad titles, but nothing is more frustrating than lost potential.

>>3115195
>The problem is that we were TOLD to side with Shindo, but not SHOWN why.
Pretty sure the vast majority of humanity being liquidated during the process bit was why. Except for one or maybe a couple of people, zaShunina winning would be a bad end for the human race.

>>3115196
I don't know, it seems like a mundane reason for this series. I think someone mentioned before, it didn't seem like it was going to be a show about good x evil. That's not how the series was presented until the end.
If anything, it just makes things even more stupid: the stakes were too high to play negotiator at this point, especially because it was utterly useless (the plan was already in motion and couldn't be stopped anymore). The surprise effect was completely unnecessary, since Yukika is OP and was gonna wipe the floor with zaShunina regardless.
If zaShunina was as much of a threat as we've been told, they just wasted time. Instead of an action battle, Shindo could've been telling the world "yo, the alien went bananas", while Yukika solved the problem.
Actually, Yukika herself was a surprise effect: an almighty existence that surpasses both humans and anisotropics and has never been seen before. zaShunina was pretty excited at first himself. Without the whole "you lied to me" stunt, it's not a stretch to assume he'd realise his plan was unnecessary after all. And we would have had a true negotiation, where both parties are satisfied (which seemed to be the theme of the series, mutual understanding).

And to be honest, even with the stupid genocidal 180°, zaShunina was still portrayed as the more sympathetic side until the end. It's like the whole staff was actively engaged in trying to piss off whoever wrote this bullshit.

>>3115219
>It's like the whole staff was actively engaged in trying to piss off whoever wrote this bullshit.
zaShunina was the favorite character of most of the staff. The bits with the cell phone and patting the bread were added in at the storyboarding process, they weren't in the script. It doesn't surprise me that he was portrayed as a sympathetic character until the end, because the entire staff loved him.

>>3115221
It really shows how badly Nozaki fucked up in his character creation.

>>3115219
>If anything, it just makes things even more stupid: the stakes were too high to play negotiator at this point, especially because it was utterly useless (the plan was already in motion and couldn't be stopped anymore). The surprise effect was completely unnecessary, since Yukika is OP and was gonna wipe the floor with zaShunina regardless.

I think Shindo really, really hoped and wanted to talk sense into zaShunina and resolve things peacefully with the poor guy, but also understood the stakes and made sure to have a failure proof backup plan in case he doesn't succeed.

how would /cm/ feel if somehow Kado got a sequel, probably set in another universe, in which the ayylien isn't dead after all, learned to know better than to be genocidal, and gets a happy ending

would it make up for the scars of the first season

this is purely hypothetical of course

>>3115248
For me no, i just want to forget kado (not nina tho)

>>3115248
Well there is a novel coming out that is referred to as a "spin out" where the story goes in a different direction. Too bad it'll never get translated.

>>3115248
I wouldn't watch it. It was enough to get burned once. Going further that was warning not only of this series but also of Nozaki and Toei. Next time I would think twice before watching something by Toei and I would never touch anything by Nozaki ever again.

And not only because the ridiculous baiting and shipping stuff, but mainly because of the absolute garbage writting and story. It might have been the worst anime I've seen in years since I'm usually very picky, choosing what to watch.

>>3115219
I'm not defending the writing quality - it was shit. I'm just pointing out that, poorly constructed as it was, there was a very good reason to not support zaShunina (despite how much they seemed to want the audience to like and sympathize with him).

I think that Shindo truly did see zaShunina as a friend, and wanted to make a last ditch effort - one he probably knew was hopeless.

I'm not so sure that the anisotropic would want to stop their plans, even if they found out about Yukika. They still want the delicious human information, and are essentially just getting cockblocked by something new that's further up the foodchain.

>>3115257
>I'm not so sure that the anisotropic would want to stop their plans
Yaha-kui zaShunina was working alone. All of the other anisotropic beings were content just to observe.

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Holy shit, look at that bulge.

>>3115265
>Yaha-kui zaShunina was working alone. All of the other anisotropic beings were content just to observe.

There's absolutely no evidence of this. In fact, almost everything points to the opposite.

All we know is that naturalism isn't an uncommon viewpoint among the anisotropic, and that Tsukai was one of them. They're still likely a political/social minority, but not frowned upon and just viewed as eccentric based on the dialogue we saw. When she descended, she was stripped of most of her being.

When zaShunina came down, it was with Kado, full powers, and a specific set of tools to carry out the plan. Someone green-lighted a well equipped mission, unlike what happened with Tsukai. Furthermore, the anisotropic are obsessed with humanity/its information. If they didn't agree with zaShunina, they would of interfered rather than let him put that at risk. It's very likely he was there in a official capacity, and the ascension was their consensus' agreed upon plan. His obsession with Shindo and growing erratic/emotional behavior was probably the only unforeseen slip up.

>>3115278
My impression is that Kado, as well as all the tools made for backdooring the cocoon, were made by zaShunina and that he is either some kind of engineer or technician or potential one.

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Truly designed for maximal suffering.

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I think I figured out the purpose of this series.
It's not about negotiations, it's not about good versus evil, it's not even really about Shindo.
The purpose of this series was to explore what happens when you take a completely pure and innocent being and then see just how much you can fuck with him to maximize the suffering he must endure. It's just an experiment in sadism.

>>3115279
Again, there's no evidence for that at all. It's far more likely that his stance is the majority supported one.

>>3115285
>The purpose of this series was to explore what happens when you take a completely pure and innocent being and then see just how much you can fuck with him to maximize the suffering he must endure. It's just an experiment in sadism.

zaShunina isn't completely pure and innocent though. He's utterly unprepared for human emotions and relationships, but he's hyper-intelligent and knowledgeable. He simply doesn't have the moral barometer of humans, despite understanding the universe far beyond their comprehension.

The fact of the matter is, he was planning mass genocide from day one. He just simply didn't see it as wrong, and just asa necessary act to preserve humanity as a whole.

The sympathy for him comes into play as he develops feelings for Shindo, and becomes utterly lost and confused while still trying to pursue his original objectives. The fact that he seems (and in his own mind, is) completely benevolent adds to the viewers feelings of pity and empathy.

>>3115299
I would say it's accurate to describe him as innocent due to his purity, which is owed to his morality (or lack of it, or wildly different comprehension of it). zaShunina arrives as an innocent because he arrives with zero concept of sin, of guilt, of malevolence. It's hard, if not perhaps impossible, to apply those things to him before he had ever been introduced to him.
I'm nitpicking semantics, and I'm not arguing with you at all--I just thought it was a notable angle to look at. Even how we conceptualize innocence and guilt is very far removed from zaShunina's experiences up until his arrival on Earth.

>>3115317
*introduced to them.

>>3115298
I think it's more likely it's unsupported.
>The other anisotropes chatting
They were not on Earth.
>Tsukai's suggestion to go down
Proclaimed as something of a suicide/wouldn't survive the transition.

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>>3115328
[spoiler]translatanon pls[/spoiler]

Wait I fucked up, part 1 is here https://twitter.com/cro_iz/status/881547387927384064

>>3115319
What does them not being on earth have to do with anything? They're still watching it. Just not "touching" it.

And no, they just called her crazy and that a great deal of her information would be lost, but made no real moves to stop her.

I really don't get where people are getting the idea that zaShunina is some some of rouge. There's never anything said to support it.

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>>3115332
>There's never anything said to support it.
The fact that nobody ever came to earth and be like "i'm an anisotrope, here's advancement' alone means zaShunina is rather unique. Both Tsukai and zaShunina are. We can safely deduce the vast majority of anisotropes are content to observe shit from afar and discuss it in their anisotropic chatroom but dislike involvment in any shape or form.

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According to the preface, the novel was written "with zaShunina's direct input", with him helping the apparently mad author.
Say what you will about the resolution, but the sheer panache of this project is incredible.

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>>3115337
> "with zaShunina's direct input"
Kek, so basically, this is what happened in his own deluded headcanon?
>shindo comes to the anisotropic
>zashunina has a higher dimensional kid of his own with him
>humanity is converted
Sounds fantastic.

>>3115337
I want to read the novel just because of how much more batshit every new piece of information makes it sound.

>>3115338
>headcanon
>not one of those "infinite possibilities" he mentioned
A few different choices here and there and it's probably real in some dimensions.

>>3115340
If the novel ends up being justice for zaShunina, I will even forgive the ending of the show.

>>3115341
Love yourself more.

>>3115337
>>3115338
>your tulpa commissions fanfic from you

>>3115336
What? Him being the first to openly show up infers absolutely nothing of the sort. That's not a safe deduction at all.

>>3115375
I'll take official fanfiction over the ending we got. It can't possibly be any worse.
I don't even say that with any irony, there is literally no way they could make a worse ending than the anime got. Even if the universe was destroyed and everyone died a fiery death, it still would have been better than what we ended up with.

>>3115384
If the novel ends up being something the in-universe zaShunina "compelled" the author to write, just a twisting of the story to show what zaShunina desired to have happened, I think that would be even more of an insult.
But regardless of whether the novel is or isn't good, I think it's shitty to present the audience with such horrible writing and such a bad ending, and then offer them scraps later on in a form of media fewer people are likely to access.

>>3115382
But there's no evidence that the others where on board with zaShunina either?

If anything, calling Saraka crazy for wanting to experience humanity shows they were unwilling to meddle with Earth.

The fact zaShunina came alone, even after Saraka was already here, supports this theory too. There's also the fact nobody tried to help him with his plan, even after Shindo became a threat.

The show made it look like they all work independently, at least that's how I see it.


>>3115257

>I think that Shindo truly did see zaShunina as a friend, and wanted to make a last ditch effort - one he probably knew was hopeless.

This is even worse. If he had any sliver of hope to succeed, creating a plan that wasted 16 years of people's lives (Yukika was raised without her parents, Saraka was separated from her daughter and Hanamori had to raise a kid alone) is almost evil. His plan B wasn't just a simple bomb to discard if unneeded; he was using his own daughter as a weapon.

Such a plan shows he had no hope of winning at all. He just wanted to use his death as the surprise effect. A surprise effect that was not only unnecessary, but also dangerous: zaShunina could have harmed, or even killed, both Saraka and Yukika (if we are to assume her strength was unpredictable). Not to mention the trauma of dying in front of them.

Shindo was so, so poorly written, I can't even

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>>3115393
I mean, it's not a completely disprovable theory - it's fine you have it. I just think that, in terms of situational context and via dialogue, it's more likely that they are nominally behind/supportive of the "uplift" - though I'm sure zaSunina went off the rails a bit with his Shindo obsession.

Also, humanity didn't even exist when Tsukai descended to the cocoon. And it seems like they had no way to really communicate with her. And they probably didn't see the need to send more than zaShunina - Kado was enough. Chances are, they never saw any real chances of the plan being figured out/foiled - human reactions to their actions were clearly not something they truly understood.

And no, I totally agree, Shindo's "plan" was pretty horrendous. I'd chalk a lot of it down to bad writing - Shindo was a pretty straight up and decent guy the whole series. Yukika was just... ugh. Tsukai as a magical girl. Ok that's BS, but whatever keep the plot rolling. Suddenly, literal deus ex machina daughter who we see for a total of like 2 minutes of emotional torture porn. No. I'd like to think the LN (which will never get translated) will have the "real/good" end, and what we got here was just a rushed.... whatever it was.

>>3115393
The thing with Shindo is that he seemed to "care" on an intellectual plane only; we never got much insight into his emotions as such. In a very twisted way, his plan was simultaneously the best and the worst thing zaShunina could have ever gotten - it's true that it was emotional torture, but it's also something he could have never experienced in his normal existence: a truly overwhelming, impossible to process experience. It's the greatest gift an anisotropic can ever get, although it's obviously impossible to appreciate at that moment.

It's an interesting and incredibly warped relationship.

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>>3115331
>zaS: (... Where is this?)
>Shindo: Hmm.
>S: I think this is the first time I've ever seen you sleep.
>zaS: H-how? You had already...
>zaS: Is this a dream..? Have I turned this human...?
>S: Don't tell me you enjoy the feeling of panic and confusion too. It's like you never have enough.

>>3115462
>Don't tell me you enjoy the feeling of panic and confusion too. It's like you never have enough.
Shindo confirmed for schadenfreude.

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>>3115462
>S: This is a space within the anisotropic. But I guess the dimensions and perception are kind of different from what you're used to.
>zaS: I see. Your and Saraka Tsukai's daughter.
>S: Yes. And mine and yours physical presence.
>zaS: How..?
>S: If even you don't understand it, then I've got no chance. Worse yet, teenagers are incomprehensible by default.
>S: Anyway. How did you like our surprise?
>zaS:... It was nothing like I had ever known.
>zaS: Shock, horror, suspicion, anxiety, bewilderment... Even though I try to analyze it, the force of it all was overwhelming.
>zaS: Emotion is the type of information I cannot process.
>zaS: Wherever I retrace my memory, it's like my mind is burning!

>>3115465
This mini doujin is so cute

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>>3115465
>zaS: It was incredible!
>zaS: Shindo. I was right when I said your kind was a miracle!
>S: Almost all of it was something humanity had already forced you to feel. I'm glad it wasn't all negative for you.
>zaS:...Shindo. Why did you go so far for my sake?
>S: Why... Good question.
>S: You had brought us a lot and did a lot for our sake too.
>zaS: No. Ultimately, it was for my benefit.
>zaS: I applied my understanding on your progression and that was my mistake.
>zaS: I did not see nor understand how truly contradictory humans were.
>S: Forget it.
>S: It's enough that you see it now.
>S: You know, when you said I was lying to you, it actually made me pretty sad as well.

>>3115468
>that first panel
my heart

>>3115338
>zaS: I apologize. Shindo.
>zaS: I caused you, no, your whole kind a lot of distress.
>S: I'm no different.
>S: I tormented you. I'm sorry for that.
>S: And it's not just you. Hanamori and Saraka too... Natsume would probably want to punch me if she ever saw me again. Asano would.. I guess he'd just laugh.
>S: I guess now I get it.
>S: Let's go back. There are apologies to make and talks to be had.
>zaS: I don't understand..?
>S: zaShunina.

>>3115327
>S: Would you come back to that universe with me?
>zaS:..What?
>S: If you don't want to, I'm not going to force you. You can stay here or return to your own realm. But..
>S: I gave up my life and existence for you. This time, I want you to come and give yourself up for me.
>S: I see.

>>3115328
>S: Your hands don't allow trespassers. It's the same handshake you gave when we first met.
>S: I suppose... This time it will be me who leads you on.
>S: There's so much I want to talk to you about. Nothing really important or official.
>S: Just the casual, trivial things we never had enough time to discuss.
>S: Take it slow, open a bottle of something alcoholic, and talk about things that don't need definite answers.
>zSh: As I have said, yours is a fascinating existence. However, I am uncertain we should.
>S: It was a hard road to open. I don't want to close it again just because I have doubts.
>zaS: Yet... It seems so, how do I put it...
>S: Self-serving?

>>3115329
>S: It's common.
>S: You must have seen hundreds of stories like this in your books.
>zaS: Shindo. Would you make me a new bookmark?
>S: Sure.
>S: But this time, I think I'll make it into a protective charm of sorts.
>S: The pages you're about to open are as great as they are confusing and hectic.
>S: You can't stand still while reading them.
Fin.

>>3115462
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>>3115473
That was sweet. Thank you, translationanon.

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Holy shit I thought it was impossible to save that godforsaken ending but that comic helped so much. Thank you for translating it anon.

>>3115473
Thank you translator anon! I still feel bad for Hanamori but at least Shindo admits he was an ass.

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>>3115462
Colouring this is fun desu

>>3115473
Thank you translator anon, I love you.

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>>3115612

>hit bump limit before image limit

>>3115618
To be fair, the image limit is almost here too.

>>3114780
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>>3114890
Anime makers dont get revenue from merchandise sells, especially figures. They sell the licence in advance and the entire income goes directly to the manufacturer. Don't cancel. Only the BD/DVD sells go to the studio so if anything cancel any of those including OST and OP/ED singles.

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It's a shame we never got to see him in this outfit in the show.

>>3115734
Why did you have to remind me.

>>3115385
Early reactions suggest the novel is rather experimental and meta, so giving people an alternative "good" ending is clearly not the point.

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I confess I shitposted a lot trying to predict how they would no homo the series, but I never expected the author to be the biggest shitposter of all.

I can't even begin to imagine what the novel will be like.

>>3115777
The novel is apparently a meta-textual mindfuck. zaShunina is said to be adorable, though.

>>3115781
We need more details.

>>3115787
Details are scarce for now because the book came out just a few hours ago, but common comments:
- technically counts as episode 13
- should be read after the anime
- technically counts as a novelization, but also doesn't
- seems to break the fourth wall
- very meta, experiments with the novel format
- the reader remains unsure how much of what he's reading is actually real
- there's a page (or several pages) that are so structurally bizarre that the book couldn't be turned into an e-book