>>7286035 Here's a little thing you can do. Take a map of the Mediterranean and draw a vertical line bisecting it just east of Italy. Everything to the right of that line is more or less the same cuisine differing only in the details.
There's no such thing as "Jewish" cuisine any more than there is Catholic cuisine, Buddhist cuisine, animist cuisine or atheist cuisine.
All these foods people consider to be "Jewish" is just because during and soon after WWII, many Jews from devastated central and eastern Europe fled to the US, GB and AU. Their cuisine is identical to the national cuisine of where they came from less pork and mixing meat and dairy.
>>7286183 It really isn't. Ashkenazic cuisine differs a lot simply because of how stringent dietary laws are and how isolated eastern European communities were.
>WHAT IS JEWISH FOOD?
For most Jews, it's going to be Eastern Europe/Central European cuisine, and then weird bits and pieces considered traditional for shabbos days. Why? Because you have mashed balls of fish because you can't separate or remove things from food on shabbos. Because you can't begin cooking anything on shabbos there is a huge amount of slow cooked meals and stews. Because most Eastern European Jews were poor as fuck, the quality of food in itself is really quite sure. Then you get into even more little annoying shit about what is traditional.
Sephardi Jews are okay, but mingled more with their native populations and lived amongest Muslims with similar laws.
>>7286238 >waaaaaaaaah!!! ashkenazim were poor so they didn't eat the same as the other slavs!!! lol All the other Slavs were poor, too. The only difference is that the other Slavs kept pigs for eating while Ashkenazim did not.
>waaaaaaaaaah!!! lighting a fire on the sabbath is forbidden so Ashkenazim didn't eat the same as the other slavs!!! lol What's the difference between a slow-cooked meal started before the sabbath and one started any other day of the week? You know that Ashkenazim didn't invent slow-cooking, right? You know that other Slavs also ate slow-cooked foods, right? You do, don't you? Also, that's why bastirma was adopted by Ashkenazim so readily, too. So they can eat cold meat and pickles on leftover bread on the sabbath without breaking commandment. Oh, and guess who else routinely eats cold meat and pickles as a meal? That's right! All the other Slavs. salorawonionsandpickledcucumbersonryebread.png
Literally every example that can be given as "Jewish food" as understood by the English-speaking world is just food from central and eastern Europe that all central and eastern Europeans eat. Every. Single. One. Except maybe gefilte fish and lox, which are northern European in origin and carried over to eastern Europe after the Jewish expulsion from Germanic countries in the Middle Ages.
Jews in my country eat generally what the rest of the country eats, only because they're not Ashkenazi, they consider poultry to be parve and, as such, is fair game to eat with dairy.
There is no such thing as a unified Jewish cuisine. There is only central and eastern European cuisine as made by central and eastern European Jews.
I stupidly bought a jar of sweet gefilte fish last fall when it was on sale (just thought I'd try something new), and it's just sitting there in the pantry staring at me every time I open it. I'm not jewish. How the fuck are you supposed to eat that stuff?
I had a Jewish GF a long time ago, and I gotta say matzo balls are the SHIT I mean I know its literally just dumplings and broth, but her mom had added so many seasonings and spices that it was like sex in my mouth That fish shit though.. ugh. It didn't look very appealing at all.
I'm Jewish, but grew up in an area where it was basically just my immediate family that were jews.
After a handful of gf's over the years it sounds comfy as fuck to find someone who can make matzo ball soup from scratch, even though I really don't know anything about the heritage other than what my parents showed me with the food at a young age.
Kugel is very good. I make it every year. This is my favorite recipe: http://toriavey.com/toris-kitchen/2012/05/sweet-lokshen-kugel/
Here are some other things: challah: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/6760/challah-i/ changes: add entire packet of yeast, double the honey, use 1 whole egg plus three yokes, and add honey to the egg wash. very good
charoset: this recipe can vary a lot, but this is the one i like. serve with matzo. Make sure you use Manischewitz wine, it's very sweet wine and you need it for the right taste. It is cheap so you might as well get it. http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/traditional-apple-walnut-charoset-234298
tzimmes make these then guilt everyone into taking home leftovers when no one actually eats it: http://www.food.com/recipe/my-mamas-carrot-tzimmes-72788
I could probably come up with some others, if you guys like. I cook this stuff often enough and these are the recipes i personally follow.
>>7288642 Actually, I'll post at least a few others.
http://toriavey.com/toris-kitchen/2012/03/holiday-brisket/ It's not rosh hashana without brisket. I absolutely love this. Bit costly to make, but it's great for sharing with family.
http://www.sophisticatedgourmet.com/2009/10/new-york-style-bagel-recipe/ Bagels and... http://www.myjewishlearning.com/recipe/how-to-make-your-own-lox/ Lox! Only old people eat this, usually. I still like it.
http://toriavey.com/how-to/2013/11/how-to-make-crispy-latkes/ latkes of course. serve with applesauce. To be honest, most people just make the kind from the box mix. it's good too.
>>7288864 >X is associated with Y therefore all X must be Y Nice strawman. Given that most of America's oldest delis were founded by the Jewish community it would be odd not to associate their quintessential foodstuffs (pastrami, corned beef, lox etc) with the Jewish community. The fact that it's all just typical central/Eastern European fare which they brought to America with the possible exceptions of gefilte fish and matzo is beside the point.
>>7288894 >because the X-est Ys are owned by Zs, all Ys are associated with Zs! Nice strawman you've got there yourself!
But here's a few facts for you: the vast majority of delis in the US are neither owned, operated nor frequented by Jews, the most popular "deli" meat in the US is ham, which is forbidden to Jews, the most popular deli sandwich throughout the US is the hoagie/submarine sandwich, which is associated with Italian-American culture and /not/ eastern European Jewish culture and pastrami, corned beef and lox are not specifically Jewish foods. How's that? Feeling factually enriched yet? Or do you want to still try to claim that there's such a thing as "Jewish food" and that delis are the dominion of the Yehudim?
>>7286035 American Ashkenazic Jew reporting in. 'Jewish' food depends on which Jews you're talking about. Foods like braised brisket and perogies can be considered Jewish foods even though they regional cuisines.
Just off the top of my head, here are some 'Jewish' foods, this is not to say non Jews don't also eat quite a few of these: brisket, corned beef on rye (no cheese or dressing), challah, matzo ball soup, latkes, matzo brei, honey cake, blintzes, perogies, knishes, kugel (potato/ noodle) hamentashen, rugelach.... the list goes on
Chabad.org has a good database of recipes, organized by holiday or dish type
>>7286035 I was actually just about to make matzo ball soup.
I've read conflicting things on how to cook the matzo balls though. Some people say not to add them to the soup as it simmers, some people say it's fine. I don't really know if I have enough chicken broth to simmer them by themselves though.
>>7290699 We always make the chicken soup and then cool it off to skim the hardened fat off the top. Then, when we reboil it, we add the matzo balls. They come out a little denser this way cuz of less cook time. If you want super fluffy ones though, you can just parboil them in regular water (put spices in it) and then finish them in the soup
>>7290718 I should add that I make the matzo balls and then flash freeze them till the soup is ready. When you plop them in frozen they stay stuck together so you can use a fluffier recipe and still keep their shape.
>>7290717 And yet, some moron proposed that because Woody Allen is of the tribe, delis are associated with Jews. He didn't say 'kosher delis' or 'glatt delis' or 'kosher style delis.' He said 'delis.' Which is fucking dumb. And you're just as dumb for missing that point.
>>7290644 See? That's what Yehudim do. Get kicked out of/willingly leave X-place and move to Y-place, taking X-place's cuisine with them which promptly gets called "Jewish food" by the locals living in Y-place. Then, when Jews have settled in Y-place long enough, the local cuisine is appropriated too once they start to leave and live elsewhere.
When Shekelland was founded, Ashkenazim brought their disgusting culinary repertoire from central and eastern Europe with them.* Then, when they were exposed to decent cookery, they adopted the dishes and relabled them wholesale. Not a single Ashkenazi had ever even heard of hummus, skhugh or falafel before the migration to the Levant, yet these are foods labeled as "Jewish" in all sorts of places across the world now. You know what? No.
There's no such thing as "Jewish food."
>>7290722 Doesn't need to be unique, but the difference is that the dude acknowledges this. Native Jews from my country don't eat any of that stuff because it's not in central or eastern Europe. Know what they eat? The same shit the rest of us eat, less pork, certain seafoods and meat with dairy. Actually, that's another way our Jews differ. Being neither Ashkenazim nor Sephardim, the local interpretation of kashrut differs in that poultry is considered parve along with fish.
* Not to imply that central and eastern European food is bad. It isn't. Just that Ashkenazi interpretation of it is bad because muh dietary laws.
>>7290799 Form the balls before you put them in the fridge/freezer. I leave them on a plate. And honestly, I rarely have leftover balls but yeah it's fine. They aren't sea sponges, your soup isn't going to disappear. They get a really rich dark flavour the second time they cook
>>7290894 Horeradish and beet dip (salad?). There is sweet cherain and sharp cherain. Personally I think sweet cherain is disgusting but I love spicy food. Also, some people mix the cherain with the mayonnaise and then smear it on the fish. I am not a fan. I slather cherain on top of the piece of fish and then dip it in a bit of mayo. Also, the next time you get gefilte, don't get sweet gefilte. And, if you don't like it this time, don't write it off yet, jarred gefilte really isn't great. You need to try better gefilte fish. Get a frozen loaf and boil it with carrots.
>>7290932 I knew someone was gonna bring that up. "Buddhist cuisine" is no more a thing than "Ital cuisine" IE it's a series of dietary rules and restrictions and not a specific cuisine. Anything can be made into "Buddhist cuisine" by simply following the philosophical guideline set out, just as anything can be made Ital by following those specific philosophical giudelines.
The same is true of kosher, halal, jatka and "non-karmic" cookery. Follow the guideline and everything is fair game. They're not cuisines outright. Theoretically, one could serve Doritos and Cheez Whiz and that would be Buddhist cuisine.
>>7290876 As a point of order, delis are associated with jews. Real delis (meaning ones not associated with supermarkets or chains) are generally assumed in the American zeitgeist to either be Jewish or Italian (with generic Eastern Europeans as a trailing third). So, yes, delis are associated with Jews. There's not a one-to-one comparison or anything, but if you said, "I have a friend who owns a deli," your average American asshole would guess his name was "Ira" or "Luigi" over "Owen".
>>7286035 However, >>7290876 has a strong point. The Jewish people have spent a long-ass time being forced from one country to the next. And in general, Jewish people don't actually want to stand out too much from the general population, so they eat what the locals eat. However, families will still make what they enjoyed in the last country, which becomes thought of in the local's heads as "the weird stuff the Jewish family eats", which they assume to be "Jewish food".
So there's a couple things that are generally understood to be Jewish, for right or wrong, but overall, the cuisine of any particular Jewish family/neighborhood is the result of the travels of the ancestors of that group.
>>7292153 >eating that any other time than Passover
Nigger are you stupid? That's not even supposed to taste good. Go to an actual deli and see how much tasty food is there. Not some fuckin tasteless piece of shit people only eat because of "muh tradition."
>>7290876 >because Woody Allen is of the tribe, delis are associated with Jews Clearly you didn't read what I said very closely. I never said that delis are associated with Jews because of Woody Allen, I said that delis are associated with Jews and pointed to Woody Allen's obsession with them as evidence of that.
The rest of what you say is pretty much spot on except that central/Eastern European Ashkenazi cured meats were fantastic, though I imagine the techniques and ingredients for that would have spread to the Levant via Turkey long before Israel was founded.
>>7292906 >central/eastern european cured meats are delicious Yes. They are. Ashkenazi interpretation of them, however, is absofuckinglutely not because they don't use pork. I don't know why there's this American goy obsession with beef salami, beef hot dogs and beef this, that and the other because they're wholly disgusting compared to their all-pork counterparts.
Unless you're implying that pastrami/bastirma and corned beef are central/eastern European, because they aren't. Delicious as they might be, they're unknown in those areas except to Romania due to its proximity and history with Turkey, their area of origin. Even Bulgaria, the European nation culturally and culinarily closest to Turkey, doesn't really know those things.
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