The thread before last was a pretty good containment thread and even had a decent discussion going. Let's see if we can do it again and keep sissy derailment to a minimum.
I'll start off with a question I asked in the last one to the anon in the mouse au chocolat(?) coord.
I find it quite hard to get a feel of size proportion in terms of lolita fashion just by lurking in shops or finished coords since males have different body proportions in most cases.
What are your meassured sizes: bust-waist-hips, height, shoulder width and maybe your weight?
How do you deal with your individual proportions to pass as a lolita as good as possible?
Where do you buy for your size? Did you encounter any specific problems?
Feedback on finished coords?
Reference pics appreciated!
Musee du chocolat
99-78-95 5'10 175lbs. I'm kinda a fatty-chan
Buy stuff that fits. Honestly the shape of lolita is pretty flattering to guys bodies because it offsets our large shoulders.
I fit a lot of brands. I've got a lot of AP, a couple btssb, lief, krad lanrete, and elegy stuff. Blouses and boleros are taobao or innocent world. Shoes are taobao. Unless you're huge lolita is pretty forgiving with sizes. Except for OPs anyway.
>What are your meassured sizes: bust-waist-hips, height, shoulder width and maybe your weight?
86-68-84, 178cm, 42cm, 65-ish kg
>How do you deal with your individual proportions to pass as a lolita as good as possible?
In terms of sizing I just avoid OPs with super fitted sleeves and cuts that are shorter than 95cm because there are some things that underskirts can't lengthen without looking awful. Generally I avoid dresses with any detailing around the shoulders or going horizontally across the bust. Honestly I'm more concerned about my face and feet at this point. Lolita-appropriate shoes in Sasquatch sizes are hard to find.
>Where do you buy for your size? Did you encounter any specific problems?
Most of what I have right now is Baby, but I'm slowly adding in more VM and MM. Blouses are mostly taobao/vintage because I'm cheap. Being relatively thin helps, because my only real concern is length and whether or not I like the design.
I have a lot of empire waist stuff. Their natural waist stuff hits me higher than where my natural waist is too, but women's waists are shorter than men's so it helps with rearranging the proportions.
Forget the point. It was meant as what others are saying regarding how good you are pulling it off.
On second thought, the question doesn't make much sense together with the rest, so just skip it (I'm a newfag, guess there's no way to edit a post, is there?).
Oh and for the remaining questions:
I avoid OPs and skirts, they tend to not look very good on me. I like Innocent World long-length JSKs, they usually look pretty good on me. Otherwise, I wear underskirts to lengthen shorter pieces. I also use wristcuffs to "lengthen" the sleeves of blouses which have sleeves too short for me.
As for things which fit me, I love longer IW pieces, and anything from Taobao which can be custom sized. Sleeve length tends to be the biggest problem for me, so I've stopped buying non-custom-sized blouses.
If you have broad shoulders, get things that emphasize the center or bottom like legs/shoes or wear a cardigan or something. High waist looks frumpy and fat on me so I go with low waist, but just try it out for yourself.
I recommend experimenting with what looks good and flattering for your body/build type and building around that first, instead of forcing a dress because you like it.
Where do you guys buy your underskirts? I need to get one for myself.
Cardigans are a terrible idea. Knits cling to the shape of whatever it's put on and that's the last thing that a broad-shouldered person needs. Fitted sleeves and details that break up the shoulder are your best bet.
>Cardigans are a terrible idea. Knits cling to the shape of whatever it's put on and that's the last thing that a broad-shouldered person needs. Fitted sleeves and details that break up the shoulder are your best bet.
What? Where did you get this idea? Cardigans and boleros are great for making guys bodies look more feminine.
From personal experience and from looking at things like pic related. Cardigans aren't generally structured enough to not conform to the sharper angles of male shoulders. Boleros could work if the fabric has no stretch, but as a general rule I'd stay the hell away from knits.
Also finding lolita-appropriate cardigans that actually fit a man's shoulders properly (i.e. not stretched to hell and back) isn't that easy.
And some more man shoulders by one of the only brolitas that /cgl/ seems to consistently approve of
86-62-78 170cm 56kg (dunno shoulder width)
I would echo all the advice previously about staying away from OPs, especially short sleeve OPs. Unless you are super lucky with your build, the arms and hands can really stand out if you are a guy so short sleeves usually aren't flattering at all.
I'm a bit lucky where I can actually "fit" some unshirred AP and BTSSB, but it definitely isn't comfortable for extended periods. Most 1/4 shirring JSKs are super comfy though.
Blouses are my biggest problem because the arms are almost always too short. I do have a blouse from AP in a size L that fits my arms well but most blouses that fit my shoulders and bust never are long enough for my arms.
The struggle is real.
>I'm a bit lucky where I can actually "fit" some unshirred AP and BTSSB, but it definitely isn't comfortable for extended periods
How is that possible? Most of my comfortable stuff is unshirred Baby and I'm a good 2cm+ wider than you in the bust/waist.
Here's another good lolita I follow.
I've always liked Akira's coords.
Jordy was in Japan last month.
I was into sissy frills before Lolita. I just love my frills, but I avoid sex or sexual activity out of admiration and appreciation for my female friends and relations. I also love my dresses and want to keep them clean.
87-76-92, 170cm, 41cm 63kg
I've bought from Closet Child so far and things seem to fit fairly well (haven't actually tried anything on in the shops yet). My AP feels a little short though once the petticoats are poufing it out.
I have decently sized calf muscles so I've been trying to hide them with boots but the boots give me a massive height boost which I'm not a big fan of. /lolitaproblems
Here's a trio of brolitas from Pat Lyttle's book 'Japanese Street Style'.
So, I thought this would be a thread with the male equivalent of Lolita, but it's just dudes wearing the same shit that girls would be? Not exactly my cup of tea, is there a male equivalent version anywhere or is this the best you'll get?
"boystyle" is what you are looking for. there is a continuous boystyle general here so check the catalog.
boystyle lolita is ouji, and boystyle aristocrat is just called aristocrat since femme aristo is so rare it now takes the modifier. (making it girlstyle aristo? kek)
This picture is of me and I can confirm, finding a cardigan that doesn't man-shoulder you is very difficult.
It's better than bare shoulders, but I am generally not all that concerned about it.
Probably it would look better to have some distracting shape concealing detaila like anon suggests.
Thread is about brolitas. If you want, go to Closet Child and browse the dresses. Maybe one of your friends is looking for a dream dress or you would like to try a lolita dress on. Brand stores and Laforet won't let if you're a guy. Hahaha
Tags don't mean shit. Judging by their physical appearance in earlier photos I'd say trans man, which by definition is still female.
OT but I never saw the point of posting trans men in brolita threads because it's not like they have to work around male bone structure and musculature when dressing/applying makeup unless they're very well into transitioning.
Actually they really are a guy, I've met them in person and it's like baritone voice and testicles are hard to fake. But they may have some klinefeldter thuign going on becasue he does look very feminine.
Not even true though. At least innocent world let me in no problem although I was dressed as a dude at the time, flashing tattoos and all. I mean maybe they were too scared to say anything but hey, I got in
Did they let you try stuff on? I'm going to IW in Japan in the next month and am trying to decide whether or not I should go dressed in lolita. On one hand, they might not trust that I'm a lolita because I'm a guy, and on the other hand they might not like that I'm wearing makeup because it could stain the dresses. Thoughts?
Hey, since it is Black Friday i was thinking about buying make-up. I was thinking of buying it from Sephora and this is my list so far is: Concealer, Foundation, Blush, Mascara, Eye shadow, Eye liner, and Lipstick. Am I missing anything and is there a cheaper place to buy it?
Sephora just has some value sets for Black Friday. You should look around and research a bit before dropping a lot of money on mid and high end brands.
I would also recommend getting an eye shadow primer and a finishing powder.
I would say that at first, I wouldn't purchase any mid to high end products other than things like eyeshadow and maybe a few lipsticks (you can get most of those things at the drug store to begin with; I like Better than Sex mascara but imo mascara is mascara)-things that you really want to have nice color pigmentation. You should also look into getting lipliner, bronzer (or a contour/highlight kit), highlighter (if you go the bronzer route), an eyelash curler, depending on your eyebrows-eyebrow pencil/eyebrow grooming tools, and false lashes. Imo, false lashes are a really important part of my look, because they really help feminize the entire thing.
Yeah, and they have this weird paper bag thing you get over your head to make sure that the makeup doesn't get on the clothes so don't worry about it. It's hard for me to say if you would get a problem since I'm also asian and don't stand out much plus I probably look more convincing.
Your waist is kind of thick for lolita (surprising with your height+weight), so just make sure you check the waist of your dresses. Other than that, you have some perfect measurements.
If you want stuff from Sephora, then I recommend just sticking with Sephora brand items to start. You'll get good quality, but the price will be lower so you can learn with it more and not waste the good stuff (that's usually what they have gift set sales on, too). However, there are plenty of cheap brands that have surprisingly good product. I have a lot of high-end lipsticks, but I will say with complete confidence that the Rimmel Kate series lipsticks work better than most Mac lipsticks, and are only $4-5 each. Do some research for lists that people have compiled of "cheap" stuff that is surprisingly good to use. Nyx is another great one to play around with before you jump into more expensive stuff.
I bought a beret and some otks from AP this week. I think they're starting to recognise me.
Unless we can find a way to surgically reform the shape of scapulas I don't think even gene therapy transitioning would help. Afaik once bones are there you're pretty much stuck with them.
I have gender issues but I keep it all to myself and when people ask for my pronouns I just say I don't really care. Granted, my body and face are androgynous, but my voice just spells it out.
Hi /cgl/. I don't post much on here, but I need some dating advice about a brolita.
I've been dating a guy for the last two months and he's invited me to come along to an event called International Lolita Day on Saturday. He texted a coord he's wearing for International Lolita Day and I blushed. I didn't know that he was into this lolita stuff though I should have known about it since he has girl stuff such as a Sailor Moon compact and Rilakkuma stuff in his bedroom.
I feel extremely put off by this and I want to dump him in a not very nice way. What should I do?
I mean, it would help to know why exactly are you put off by it? Are you creeped out because you think he's doing a sexual thing or do you just dislike that he is into feminine things?
>I want to dump him in a not very nice way. What should I do?
not be a cunt about it instead, if it's that much for you then by all means break up but just don't be a shit about why
I'm put off by him wearing lolita because of my expectations of an ideal man. I don't like a guy wearing feminine things. I wasn't expecting him to wear a dress with cute teddy bears that has the British flag waving.
He's at work in his office right now so I'll text him the news. He's going to be so miserable that he'll cry to his community friends over ice cream like any girl would after a breakup. If he wants to be a girl, I'll treat him like one.
Just give it a shot, at least. It might be embarrassing to go dressed normally so ask him if he's got a spare dress for you. Try your best to have fun with it and see how it goes.
Is he at least cute? If not, just don't make much of it and laugh at how funny he looks. I dunno, as someone who isn't one, a brolita seems like a rare catch and I'd at least give him a chance.
Don't do anything rash, that's terrible.
>He's going to be so miserable that he'll cry
I'm sure he'll be better off without a bitter old cunt latched onto him
>because of my expectations of an ideal man
Hey toots, you don't sound like much of an angel either.
I'll take him off your hands and we'll go to the ILD meet in matching coords.
But for real though, jfc anon, breaking up with someone is hard as it is, and your guy probably has is harder being comfortable liking girly shit around other people - just let him down easy and forget that you two were ever a thing.
>Just give it a shot
Read the post beforehand, retard.
>better off without a bitter old cunt latched onto him
You sound like one. No wonder you lolitas are so weird with your awkward hobby.
>Hey toots, you don't sound like much of an angel either.
After he revealed it, I was pissed. I thought lolitas were supposed to be lovelies and support my decision to break up with him.
>your guy probably has is harder being comfortable liking girly shit around other people
I hope he'll get the point that guys aren't supposed to be wearing this like a princess.
>Hope your 'ideal men' reject you you closeminded bitch.
Don't worry, there are several million more guys out there than this one. Too bad there aren't any woman that would want a mentally ill brolita.
>I thought lolitas were supposed to be lovelies
Have you tried stuff on? If so which stores?
If I walk in and open my wallet flashing 50,000 yen at them do you think they'll let me try me try stuff on then?
Are you surprised? It's not even a very popular fashion for women and it's also about as feminine as fashion can get so it's not surprising that there aren't many men interested in it.
I'm a trans girl but I lurk these threads sometimes since there are occasionally useful tips in them.
This is a place where many of us wish to be the little girl, though. I myself am really planning to get into it, issue is hiding it from most of my family but finding someone to confide in, like my brother.
I want to be one more than anything right now, barring of course a little girl.
>This is a place where many of us wish to be the little girl
Please don't try to attract more fetishists to the fashion, you brolitas have made a bad enough name for yourselves already.
My bad. I'm not a fetishist myself and I didn't mean it in that way. if anything I was sort of joking. Even so, wanting to be a girl isn't necessarily a fetish.
>you brolitas have made a bad enough name for yourselves already
Well damn, I don't know anything about it but elaborate.
>what he said
Well, you mean me, same anon all three posts. I'm sorry it came off that way, I was being some kind of memester ass as opposed to being serious.
Basically, I want to be cute, and I like lolita fashion a lot. It has nothing to do with fetishes. While it would be easier to go about it as a girl, I'd like to do it regardless.
Met this guy at Comic Con earlier this year. He doesn't post many photos online, and those that he does aren't that great (needs to work on posing/getting in the right lighting) but IRL I love his gothic coords.
Blouse, petticoat, and iron your dress.
you need a proper blouse but avoid anything with puffed sleeves and a high neck. A smaller peter pan collar or collarless with 3/4 sleeves is ideal for minimising broad shoulders. Failing that, use a lolita appropriate bolero.
Looking cute over all and great eye makeup but yes, you need to iron dat shit.
While not helpful in finding an absolute number, I've travelled to a few comms in America, and I'd guess that they're 2-4% of your typical comm, if you include male oujis too. I'm excluding any fetishists who have little to no genuine interest in the fashion. This guess also obviously excludes brolitas who aren't part of comms.
>my girl who does lolita shit wants me to do this
>not only don't want to do this, but also chisled to the bone so this wouldn't look even remotely good
How do I let her down gently using /cgl/ memes? I'm not a regular here.
I'm not good with words so it'll probably come out as something like "I'm not a faggot". I don't fucking know man. I'll just go for it I guess, and say hell no. I hate lettng her down.
Just tell her "I'm not comfortable with it" and "I don't want to." Don't give reasons why (and neither do you need to), those lines should suffice. She shouldn't force you to do it.
It's pretty all over the place. I have a few great lolita friends, but I get the feeling that a lot of people in my comm view me a bit suspiciously, no matter how long I'm there or how many burando coords I show up in. Within your comm, SJWs can be great or terrible, depending on how much they believe the words coming out of their mouth. I find it best to just talk to lots of people and let them talk about themselves, and eventually I find people who I have things in common with.
Like many lolitas, I'm a weeaboo, so that helps. Otherwise, not really.
Yup, but only with a small number. I don't think that's really unusual though, most lolitas seem to find a regular group and stick with it.
Hey everyone, maybe you can help me.
I'm after something similar to picture related but not really sure where to start.
I've had a look around Taobao, but haven't had much luck finding what I'm after.
Currently I'm considering getting the L087 from Bodyline as it seems like a decent place to start but I'm 1-2cm out on some of the measurements on the 2L, but my girlfriend thinks she could easily pull some of the stitching out and adjust it to fit.
What do you all think?
The fabric on that Bodyline piece looks suspiciously shiny, and that wouldn't be very good. Maybe find some worn pics?
Have you considered ordering from Surface Spell on Taobao? I think they do custom sizing, and their pieces look great in person.
Alice and the Pirates has also made some nice OPs and JSKs you could use for this, and might fit someone who is a 2L in bodyline. Keep an eye on Closet Child and Y!J.
I've had a look on a few Taobao stores but I don't seem to be able to find anything I'm after - though I might be doing it wrong.
I ended up going with the L087, my girlfriend wanted one as well so I grabbed one for her too.
Seems like a good start. :)
Seeing as no-one has given you a helpful reply yet, I thought I'd chime in.
The Lolita Tips tumblr is a good place to start!
Other than that I'd recommend working out your measurements and seeing if there is anything on Bodyline that fits (everything item has its measurements listed on its page, there is no consistency to M, L, 2L etc.). They're really easy to buy from and the prices aren't too bad so they make a good start.
For makeup, watch youtube tutorials.
Get good quality wigs with bangs.
Don't buy Bodyline, it's not really good for the prices anymore. Buy second hand brand or go with some indie pieces. You can use the links anon above linked to find out more about indie brands.
>Can anyone post links to any sites where I can learn how to do lolita/brolita thing properly?
Being a brolita is the exact same as being a lolita. Just look at any help thread on here or egl.
For male specific advice, really the only thing you can do is hope you were born with the right genes to look decent as a girl.
TIL that the JSK I'm looking at getting has low waist version as well as a regular version. Any idea what's going there? Does anyone know which is going to look better? If the answer is indeed that black and white. Cheers in advance.
Then improve your makeup and coords until you do measure up. Or take a look at your local comm's photos and see how good they are.
I think any who don't have SJW views are going to do their damnest to hide them. Brolitas are already viewed as one form of outsider, they probably don't want to make themselves appear to be a troublemaker/problem more than other comm members already think they are.
If you're tall, low waist versions almost always look better on lolitas.
there are many popular lolitas with non-traditionally feminine features, and many lolitas with outright unattractive features. like other anon said, get the basics right and you will be fine.
So I have a question to all the male lolitas out there: Have any of you revealed to your parents that you dress up in a feminine fashion? I want to wear it this upcoming weekend and share the hobby I've been enjoying for the last couple of years. I love them very much.
My boyfriend just told me he's super into cross-dressing last night, and I'm supportive but confused.
I think the main concern I have is that I hope he's not using me as a beard, or that he secretly wants to be a girl, because honestly, that makes me really uncomfortable.
He kept saying that it's about the clothes, and that he just wants to feel pretty in lolita like I do, which is understandable, but still.
I've never seen him do it, so now I feel really iffy about what I'm wearing. Am I mocking him by wearing lolita often? Am I not wearing it enough?
I haven't even seen him in it, and it seems like all the cross-dressers who post online have alternate feminine personas which kind of makes me nervous. I'm just really glad he likes classic and not sweet. He doesn't seem ultra-girly, but I don't know.
I really want to go into this with an open mind, but it's strange for me. :/
most crossdressers are straight and cis.
watch some classic Eddie Izzard standup and express your concerns to your bf.
Brolita here, I'm straight and only crossdress because I really like cute clothes. No alternate persona and I don't want to be a girl. He sounds like he could be similar to me.
Also, as long as you're supportive that is all that matters to him. Don't worry about what you're wearing at all; I'm pretty sure he isn't.
I'm a guy that really really likes lolita fashion but I don't think it would suit me and I'd feel uncomfortable wearing girls clothes. Maybe someday I'll get a rockin hot female cyborg body haha In the meantime I enjoy seeing my girlfriend and our collection of dollfie dream in cute clothes. :)
It took me months to tell my mom about my crossdressing. I was afraid that she would find out in a classic way so I tried to ease it to her. I still never let her actually see me in female outfits. I would have loved to have been hugged in femme though.
hopefully the talk has nothing to do with that. it is not his business. don't let him bully you.
be professional and maintain your boundaries. i worked for a large retail company that have us the option to declare if we were part of a gender or sexual minority, on a completely voluntary basis; it was just for management to earn brownie points for following corporate's anti-discrimination policy. ("see, we have X LGBT employees here! that's more than this other store in the district, i bet!") your boss might have something similar in mind, and if he thinks you're trans or something he might just want to cover his ass so you don't sue or whatever.
normies are a bit paranoid about this stuff. stay professional and if you suspect harassment, don't tolerate a bit of it. you are an adult entitled to a private life.
Its dubious legally, but I would personally probably have my phone recording in my pocket so that if he actually says something derogatory or fires you for it then youve got evidence. Sometimes secretly recorded stuff doesnt count as evidence, but youve at least got it as something you could show in court if it came down to it.
Hopefully though this won't be needed, I had something similar when my manager saw my boyfriend and I - I'm a guy - holding hands outside of work and called me in for a talk after. I was worried but it turned out he just wanted to check that everything was fine as there had been an incident of homophobic bullying a few years ago, so he wanted to check that that wasnt happening to me. And reassured me that it wasn't going to affect my job and that I should feel free to bring boyfriend to company events (he was worried that I hadn't bought him along before because I was worried about the response, but actually its because its always boring and being the lovely boyfriend that I am I wont subject him to that haha). Good luck though, my response in these situations is usually to prepare for the worst so that it's not surprising when it happens, but really things usually work out ok
Well I came out as gay nearly 6 years ago, so she for some reason must have expected me to crossdress. I don't know, she's a very confused woman who doesn't understand.
I wore ouji first, then bought a JSK and worked with what I already have. I told her nearly straight up and she was okay with it, now she helps me find stuff.
Theres no way I would ever let my parents know they're incredibly religious and conservative (Eastern Europeans), Its come to a point where I can't even enjoy myself and am terrified when dressing up.
Well hello there.
I'm not realy into cosplay and the Lolita things didnt really interest me but my gf i have now asked me if we could cosplay.
Thinking of something cool like knights or some other badass characters she mentioned some manga/anime i dont know nothing about and everybody there is just wearing this Lolita dresses.
i was stuned a little bit because my gf suggested o dress like this but well ...
So how hard it is going to be? I'm like 192 cm and the only "feminine" thing i have is long legs.
Is it expensive to buy the entire wardrobe?
Some things might run a little bit short on you, what are your other measurements?
As for cost, it ranges, what is your budget? Bodyline is reasonably cheap and very easy to order from, or you can get stuff in from Taobao - many stores there will also do custom sizing which is useful. Other than that you could always skulk around lacemarket and see if anything is up for sale - but you might not have much luck there.
Please don't do that. If you're going to bump, try to contribute. This is a slow board.
Shame he didn't shave.
What seriously it was borna woman? I need deets
My parents know and are very confused since I'm straight, they seem to not understand that one can wear dresses and not be gay but they are from a different generation so idc
I posted a thing about this on tumblr wanting to gather up some responses from other brolitas what they thought about it, one year later still no notes XD anyway, I don't like the term i think both men women and in between should be called lolita or whatever, adding bro to whatever word is just so forced. Worst was when they started calling rosewine brosé...