Is piracy wrong? I pirated the shit out of everything back when

>>1075274
when soon when we start using blockchain technology you won't be able to pirate anything

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2016/01/27/bitcoin-music-industry-pkg-soares.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/

>1. All discussion should pertain to business, finance, and economics related topics. This includes financial markets, securities, currencies (including cryptocurrencies), and commodities—as well as topics relating to starting and running a business.

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>>1075282
Hey there mini-mod, I believe this thread topic falls under the topic of frugality, moral campus and economics... all of which relate greatly to finance.

Please kindly explain why this thread doesn't, and I'll delete it for you. :)

>you're a faggot, take a gun and blow your brains out-- absolutely nobody is going to miss you

>>1075290
>says the fag who can't make minor life decisions without going on 4chan

Paying for something you can get for free is foolish.

Especially when you have to pay for it before you decide if it's good or not.

If I had to buy every book I considered reading I would be homeless and $100,000 in debt right now. If you DO want to support the developers/creators of the music/software, etc then why don't you just donate some money to them or buy the album or whatever AFTER actually enjoying it?

>>1075274
You should buy things you want people to make more to encourage the creation of content you like
Markets respond to dollars, and if only people too stupid to pirate shit buy content, those are the people content will be made for.

>>1075274
If you don't support the creators, you get shit quality in return. Look at how movies collapsed from small budget film to big blockbuster after big blockbuster sequels.

Sames applies to gaming: the genre of RTS's, western RPG's, tactical RPG's were dead from 2005-2012. The recent revivals were from fan supported kickstarters, outsider companies (Witcher). Then you have the current trend of making all games console first -- then porting that to PC because console games are the ones actually being purchased.

It's all comes back. If you like Call of Duty or Capeshit, then go ahead, pirate away.

>>1075274
Define 'wrong'

>>1075310
Irrelevant post, he's not asking if piracy is wise or justified, just if it's morally acceptable.
>>1075274
Conceptually, piracy isn't much different than borrowing a DVD from a friend, or going over to a friend's house because you want to watch Game of Thrones and he has HBO. The only different is that everyone on the internet is pretending to be friends with everyone else so we can all borrow each others' stuff. Of course,the problem then becomes if everyone is sharing, who's really buying?

I don't believe that piracy in itself is unethical, but there is unethical and unwise piracy. If you have the disposable income to pay for something that you get a significant amount of use from and you decide not to simply because you don't have to, then you're acting unethically. If you have the ability, you should support people who create content you love not only because it helps encourage them to create more content, but because they've provided a product that you deem significantly important.

It's wrong, honestly. They spend to make the material so they can make a profit, but you take away from their profit by not paying. Prices would probably be lower if more people actually paid. Like fuck no Youtube I'm not going to pay $5.99 to watch a movie on my laptop once.
That being said, paying for shit that could be free is a bummer. You can still get things for free/a negligible price with Netflix, the library, streaming sites that play ads. That way the creators get the money, but with less cash out of your pocket.

>>1075333

Personally what bothered me about piracy is anyone who is "proud" to be a pirate. Congratulations, you downloaded something off the internet and you don't have to pay for it. Why are you acting morally superior to those who bought the product? Because you got out of paying 10 to 60 bucks for that product that someone made? Pirate if you need to or if you want, just don't talk down to people who actually bought it.

I am fine with piracy though if it the product is something that is hard to obtain legally (such as music from other countries that doesn't sell in your country, rare movies, etc) or if it's loaded with so much DRM that a pirated version runs better than the authentic version (rare but it happens)


That said, I haven't heard of cases where a pirate got arrested recently, only the big fish who uploads gets arrested. I figure because it's pretty bad PR and a waste of money to go after some dude who downloaded a movie rather than the guy who uploaded it.

>>1075333
>Irrelevant post, he's not asking if piracy is wise or justified, just if it's morally acceptable.

Well that's pretty subjective, isn't it?

One might make the argument that piracy is theft and reduces the incentive for creators to put their hardwork into their art...

On the other hand, one MIGHT make the argument that since he cannot afford it, or does not find it to be worth as much as the producer is offering it for, he would not be a paying customer anyway, just less having listen(or watched/played/used) the product.

>>1075345
Also in many cases people do not wish to support the creator.

There have been many EXCELLENT authors who wrote fantastic literature but they had either, or both of these attributes:

- They were irredeemably rude assholes who talked down to people and treated them poorly, whom the people did not wish to financially support

- Priced the product at way too high for what it was, I know there is not such thing as a "correct price" in a freemarket but in many cases the knowledge in the book was not worth $70-100.

>>1075342
>Prices would probably be lower if more people actually paid.

Ticket prices for the top selling blockbusters are the same as for the flops. And I'm pretty sure straight-to-DVD movies are priced lower in the stores.

>>1075356
He's talking about netflix and used dvd sales

>>1075325
Literally nothing in your post is true. Shit movies like transformers, comic heroes flicks and fast and furious 35 are popular not because pirating, but because they're easy to market and have a huge target audience. Does that stop anyone from producing the martian or hurt locker or tinker tailor soldier spy? Fuck no, different things for different people. Shit quality entertainment isn't exclusive to modern times, it was always like this. You just forget bad movies, bad music and bad games. That's why every old person complains about old times being better, when it is clearly not. You have the most amazing technology, endless opportunities, infinite entertainment at your fingertips and yet you decide to bitch and moan that people can now test content before purchasing? It is better that way, you dummy.

yeah really no reason to buy it

i dont give a fuck about whoever made it

>>1075274
I've pirated a lot of AAA games that were absolute shit

Case in point: Dragon Age Inquisition

just but Netflix or Hulu or whatever OP. At least then you'll be legally ripping them off

>>1075522
netflix is not a ripoff

people want to rent entertainment, not buy it

>>1075526
I was just making an assumption that they rip the movie makers off based on what I know of similar music streaming websites like Pandora and Spotify

>>1075528
nah senpai it's a huge benefit for movie makers

Piracy only works when you're a good consumer. Most people think piracy is stealing, because that's the only way people use it. Piracy is supposed to be used to get around draconian DRM policies, and to keep huge media companies connected to their consumers.

If you pirate something, and enjoy it, you should buy it. Especially if it's a small company or indie project. If you don't, you're only contributing to the negative side.

>>1075274
Yes, it's unethical and also an aveira.

>>1075526
How exactly is netflix not a scam?

You're paying less than the cost of a single movie(let's say in theaters even) per month... to watch nearly ANY movie/tv show.

How does it work? Does Netflix pay like .2 cent royalties to each movie maker?

The problem I see with calling piracy theft is that those that use that product may not have if they had to buy it. So you can't count them accurately as losses. Ethically its your call I guess

>>1075274

It IS wrong, but the media industry is a corrupt oligarchy that is making a shitload of money whether you are pirating things or not.

In fact now the artists are making more than in the past since the ability to digitize music has awoken them to the possibility that they can just sell their music directly to the public and cut out the production companies.

The ONLY group hurt by piracy was the porn industry. And really that's not benefiting anyone, either the consumers or the makers.

>>1075282

Quit being a fag, this board is the wickety wild wild west anyway.

>>1075325

Except thats not true though. Look at the facts.

Revenue in all media industries has continually increased since 1995, piracy has shown little to no impact on revenues.

>>1075342

wat.

If anything the evolution of piracy has absolutely shattered the media pricing by oligarchy.

Remember when every single CD on earth costed $19.99?

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>>1076147

That's not true of the music industry, which has always been most susceptible to piracy because of the large file sizes associated with game and movie piracy, as well as more robust DRM for games and video.

Prior to 2001, the RIAA had the consumer by the nuts. You wanted to buy a copy of a newly released song you heard on the radio? That will be $21.99 for the CD. Oh, you don't want the hit single and the 11 other turds we put on the CD that nobody will ever listen to? Sure, you can buy the CD single. That will be $8.99.

They fought so hard against piracy for two reasons. One was, obviously, they didn't want people "stealing" the music. The other less obvious reason was that they didn't want the cat out of the bag with reasonably priced per-song music sales.

Nobody buys albums anymore, because very few albums have 10-12 songs people want to listen to. They buy the 3-4 singles they like for $3.97 and call it a day. That transaction used to net the record company $21.99, because the album was an all or nothing proposition.

Piracy busted the business model of the recording industry.

Piracy is fine if you watch the signals that the companies put forth. There's the hard piracy that is actively fought by the intellectual property holders, then there's soft piracy that is intentionally overlooked by the IP holders.

Let's say I want to watch Game of Thrones. I could subscribe to HBO and watch it that way, or I could watch it on Hulu/Netflix and pay subscription fees. Those are the legitimate ways of consuming the IP.

Then, I could snag up torrents of each episode and (unless if I am careful), I will probably receive a Cease and Desist email within a week. This is the hard piracy that HBO actively fights.

As far as I am concerned, these options all suck. This is why I will take the soft piracy approach: Just free stream all those episodes off vodlocker or videoweed. It's free, but I am not sharing the content. Thus, I only pirate the material once and am way too much of a small fry for HBO to even care about.

tl;dr: Stream for free instead of downloading. The powers that be have made it clear they don't care about the consumers of free streaming sites. THEY DON'T CARE! If they did, how come my first blockbuster IP I download thru torrents gets my internet shut off but I have never even received a Cease and Desist email for all the hundreds of hours I have watched streaming materials?

>>1075517
so you pirated a game to never play?

>>1076193

I've never gotten a c&d or internet throttling for downloading off Usenet, and I've downloaded terabytes of data

>>1076201
They don't care as long as you're not sharing. This is my exact point; just listen to their signals as to what not to do. There's just too many forms of piracy to stop them all. So just don't do the ones that they hate the most!

>>1076191
Music artists were getting jewwed by the music industry anyways. Mainstream music that gets pirated the most is shit anyways.

>>1075274
I pirate everything too. Especially books.

I don't think I'll ever stop.

>>1076191
Last album i bought was birdman's priceless album years ago. I still listen to it on the way to the gym.

>>1075274

>goes to a board about making/saving money
>should i spend money on something I could get for free?

gee OP I dunno man

I deeply regret endorsing piracy through my actions.

There is never such a thing as a free lunch. Because we do not pay for our consumptions, we are consumed by them as cost.

Entrepeneurs and artists can't get money from us, so everyone ends up cannibalized by megaconglomerates and selling out just to stay alive. Just because we don't *feel* like paying.

In a society where we refuse to pay money for product, we become the commodity.

Piracy is a driving factor behind the surveillance state.

We have caused our own demise. We sold our souls for colored beads and albums that we only download for one song we heard on the radio.

If you care at all about what you enjoy, support it. Vote with your wallet. It's pretty much the only way that matters.

Praise can mean a great deal, but artists and developers can't eat it.

>>1076299

Here's the thing. What some call piracy, I call fair use.

I pay for SiriusXM in two vehicles plus extra for Internet streaming. I pay for cable TV. I pay for Netflix. I pay for Pandora. I pay for all this content, yet they say I cant place shift or time shift that content other than through the cable company's DVR that uses 25 year old MPEG2 codecs that allow you to store like 60 hours of HD video on a 1TB hard drive.

I am paying for the content. I download to be able to use that content freely. I don't share it. I don't sell it. To me, that's fair use. To the RIAA/MPAA, it's illegal piracy.

Their insistence on using DRM to lock down media to one device only is bullshit, and my guess is that it drives a fair percentage of file sharing.

I've downloaded copies of blu-rays that I already own because I couldn't find software to crack the drm, and I wanted my daughter to be able to watch it on her nexus 7 in the car. I should not have to pay again for a digital copy.

>>1075274
>>1076235
Better hope higher ups mever jave reason to fuck you because rhe NSA now has records of all that shit

I only pirate if I hate the company. Otherwise, I really haven't seen something worth pirating that isn't worth paying for in the first place.