I don't want to be an engineer. Is Accounting the next best thing? I go to a university that is like #20 in the country for accounting/business undergrads in general.
[spoiler]it's penn state[/spoiler]
>mfw just arrived to uni
>roommate is engineering student
>so how hard is engineering?
>oh i have like a 2.whatever and i've wanted to do engineering since middle school, easily had a 4.0 in high school, took AP classes..."
AKA if you're not better than this guy, don't even think about engineering
literally not coming back after this semester is over. holy shit fuck engineering. i'm taking a bunch of gen-eds just to get an easy GPA. college sucks. go into trade or start business at home, anons. no joke. just got here and it's robot hell.
College is a meme, son.
"UHHHHHHH WHAT DO I STUDY THAT ISNT SATURATED AND WILL GUARANTEE ME A SIX FIGURE SALARY AND A JOB RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE"? You fucking faggots make the same goddamn thread every day on here. This is /biz/ not college.
i'm brand new, a freshman
i'm very close to cancelling my registration before classes start so i get full refund. i'd rather go into a trade. i already hate university. it's just so dumb.
Or just get a job and work there long enough to build up a pension. You don't have to make $100k a year to be fucking happy. Idk why /biz/ encourages this thinking. As long as you have a steady job that you can retire from after 20 or so years, that's great.
>You don't have to make $100k a year to be fucking happy.
You have to make about 200k to be happy. Unless you're happy not ever having a family or living in Butt Fuck, Nowhere, Population: OP.
>work there long enough to build a up pension
are you just making shit up off the top of your head? how many jobs do you think exist in the year 2016 that offer a pension, outside of the military or some police/fire departments?
>just do it anyway dude. i just called my mom and told her i'm canceling everything. i might have to take a fucking taxi home
I can't man. My parents would legit kill me.
Plus the $500 deposit kind of fucked me over, don't really want to waste it. Plus I'm only going to community college so...
Then again, sunk cost fallacy... Should I just go with it?
There's always the military, Coast Guard is pretty cushy. People never think about maritime stuff: merchant marines/ yacht hand/ seaman etc. The Paul Hall Maritime School has a free 1 year program, when you graduate you are part of their union and able to get work on large cargo ships. The pay isn't great but you can use the experience to do better things.
Honestly seems pretty fun. I might look into this.
I've always kind of wanted to sail around and adventure like that... Not sure if I'd want to do it fulltime 8 months of the year or whatever though.
I met some guys in French Polynesia who came in on a merchant marine vessel. They had like 30 hours of leave. They were a good bunch if guys, mostly clean cut, intelligent people.
You sign up for a voyage, and work one voyage at a time. So you can take as much time off as you want, but you won't make any money.
Easiest way to get into it is to start with a Z Card (issued by the Coast Guard) and start working on whatever ship you can as an ordinary seaman. After like 9 mos or something and taking a couple week long classes you can become an able bodied seaman and it will be much easier to get work.
Like I said there's also the Paul Hall school, Merchant Marine Academy, or if you want to take your chances at possibly ending up with a biring ass desk job you can join the Coast Guard.
>No don't do that. Just finish the damn semester man, and see how it goes. A year of college is still helpful if you want to try for certain government jobs.
It seems downright terrible senpai.
Plus I feel like I'm just wasting my time and money... If I only finish the semester and then don't continue I'll still have wasted the money. I guess it's not that much but still, it just feels an entirely wrong move although not crippling by any means.
Sounds cool, I'll look into it. I'm guessing you don't really have much if any computer and internet access tho, right?
>You were about to decide to spend the rest of the semester in a library to not make mommy angry.
Was just an example, I'd probably look for a job and work instead.
I don't want to go at all man. I just think of that money earning dosherdoo in an Index Fund when I imagine spending it on something I don't even enjoy.
No I'm not. Work for the state or local government and you'll have a pension. Work for the post office and you'll have a pension. Work for Amazon, Amtrak, any big bank, a good company for over 20 years and put your time in and you'll have a pension. Learn a trade, get in with a union, and you'll have a pension. Not rocket science.
You're in a better position than I am OP.
I wish I realized I should have gone into a trade my freshman year instead of my senior year when I was too invested to go back. Now I'm crushed by 30k in loans and I'm working a job I'm having less fun with in an office rather than blue collar life I experienced over the summer
>take taxi home
>taxi driver is some 50 year old electrical engineer who was laid off and is doing this to makes ends meet
>tells me how I need to do what I want to do and not what others want me to do or what I think I'm supposed to do
>suggested just getting a job somewhere
and just do what I want to do until I figure things out
Other than him being religious, he was really cool.
FUCK your retarded fucking roommate.
I'm an EE student, graduate next December.
I have a 3.37 overall GPA and a 3.85 in EE. This shit is not hard. Those retards who claim engineering is hard are the same jackasses that go party all weekend and never study or do their coursework. Then they decide it'd be a grand idea to cram and both other students for help the night before exams.
Engineering is not that bad if you actually apply yourself.
They didn't care because I canceled everything before any classes started, so I get all of the money back. I'm just going to get some job at a store and save up some money while thinking about what I want to do, paying a bill here and there. The taxi driver was really cool
I canceled because I was paying full price($15,000 per semester) and if I didn't cancel today, I would have had to pay that with them taking off 20% of the refund every week, I guess.
I'm very glad that I got out before I was stuck in it for like 5 months.
whether it's engineering or accounting, if you hate it you gonna suck at it
This guy I was in the taxi with, who was driving me home(it cost me about $280, all of my christmas money by the way) basically told me to just have fun because life will go by very quickly. He's about to turn 50 and he was saying that he remembers like it was yesterday that he was my age(20) thinking about what he wanted to do with his life. He's divorced with 4 kids. He said to just get a job to make some money, have fun, and think about what I want to do because I have the time. I'm only 20.
It's not even your parents decision.
It is their decision man. I'm a fucking failure, they gave me a lot of money and will be disappointed and kick me out if I don't go. I need to go for at least another semester but I really don't to...
Not even sure how I'll tell them desu.
Paid deposit plus parents will be pissed. I haven't done shit for so long, pretty much lost hope of living normally someday.
Should I just cancel and not tell them and work during that time instead?
Wow very compelling argument. Could you use some more swearwords? It really gets the point across clearer.
What part of "I want to get a job instead and not waste my time there" don't you get?
You sound like you're projecting, I get mad at other losers too but that's only because I'm ashamed of my own situation.
I was a loser five years ago, then I went to community college, then university, then I got my degree, and I have my job. It is not difficult. If your parents are willing to support you going to college, you should take the chance.
You really don't want to go to university first. It's too overwhelming. You spend a lot of money on basic general education credits. There are a lot of idiots. You have to live in a dorm room, possibly, and they always suck.
Go to community college first, save money, and then transfer over to university, no need to mess with dorms or any of that.
If you are not an idiot then you will do fine. There is no busy work like in highschool. How people fuck up is that they take it too lightly. It is still college and you are paying for it. If you keep up with the work that's assigned then you should easily have a 3.0+ gpa.
Take the classes that you need for your associate degree and don't fill up on the underwater basket weaving classes.
If you are good at math, try to finish up to calculus. After your first semester or two, you will figure out what you are good at. Don't freak out and try to plan what major you will have before you step into a class.
Some people go that route, then go back to community college when they want their careers to start growing. If you get a full time job, then take a couple of night classes a semester at a decent community college.
No one is hiring graduate engineers anymore, so there's that. You really need to be very good or very connected or both if you expect to find a decent grad role as an engineer. There is of course decent work for experienced workers
I don't know about engineering, OP, but stay away from accounting like it's the plague. Anyone I know who does accounting is either boring as fuck or hates their life.
Also, asking here as it doesn't seem worth a thread, but what's /biz/ opinion and planning as a career? I did a business degree, with a major in business law (Ireland, so not actually qualified to practice law without further study and an apprenticeship) and a minor in management. I'm thinking of doing a masters in planning & development for a career as an urban planner, as law is apparently somewhat relevant.
>#20 in the country for accounting/business
top kek m8
And no, accounting is shit, you'll be working for 20 years or so before you get to the good salary, and at that point, you'll probably be borderline suicidal.
take a business related course like applied economics, management, finance, or project & supply chain management.
then, either set up your own company - can be something you come up with yourself, or simply approach business-illiterate tech school kiddies who want to be the next google, and convince them to take you on board to help get the administration side of things done, then kick back and enjoy a comfy salary.
Also, i'd advise trying to do well and get a transfer to a better school - you could try UPenn since it's in the same area, but you may have to take another year out or forfeit credits, shit like that.
People don't go to college for knowledge, they go to (good) colleges for making contacts.
I've applied before. They never even called me back.
If it pays so much I'm guessing they only pick the best applicants and with the competition nowadays tbqh I wouldn't be surprised if I'm competing with several middle aged people with decades of dependability and experience. I could see how they would choose them over me.
Go into Industrial Engineering.
>Easiest engineering degree
>Great job security
Then, after you get some experience get an MBA. After that consulting or work your way up to be an owner or CEO.
I'm an electrical engineer and wanted to get into an electrical apprenticeship to get dual ticketed as an electrician. Every new grad sparky that I talked to went out west to get their hours.
> they go to (good) colleges for making contacts.
Penn State has the largest alumni network of any university in the world and was ranked #1 in the country for recruiting by the WSJ.