Name a better rapper than based Kanye West
I said RAPPER
are you fucking kidding me?
Kanye's new album production, instrumentals, and vocal roughness was straight up taken from Death Grips success in bringing heavy, experimental rap to an almost mainstream audience.
Kanye can't even fucking touch Big L. He even made Jay-Z look like a fucking God-tier lyricist with that wack ass fucking verse on Niggas in Paris. And Jay-Z is wack as fuck. That's how awful Kanye is.
Because he is the Elvis of Rap
He basically is a average rapper,but since he's the first white rapper he got a lot of fame just by his race
Seriously,mostly eminem fans are narcicist white people or bitches
Yes he can, another day he was compareted to Mozart and some other famous musician
He is also very estable,not like rappers that make 1 epic song,and then ''meh'' songs
I'm sure there's a ton more.
>emininem avg rapper
the only people who cry about his race are salty black kids that are upset that some white trash guy has better lyrics than their beloved JayZ or Lil (insert nignog name here)
>first white rapper
>house of pain
I don't like Eminem personally, but you have to give respect to the man. No other rapper has been able to sustain a prolific career as long as him while staying consistent and doing whatever he actually wants to do.
I only ever see black kids that are mad that a white guy is crowned number one or white kids that are trying to distance themselves from Eminem to be contrarian making themselves seem like more of a hip hop head.
There's a reason infinite didn't sell. It's vanilla and no different than 90% of every other rap album at the time. You have the same taste in rap I had when I was 13, grow up. Aesop Rock has no flow and rhymesayers/def jux is terrible in general
>tries to promote his friend's pleb-tier music on /b/
I get your point but his lyrics are still complicated and consistent on Infinite. As for Aesop I can understand why a lot of people don't like him, i only really like Labor Days and think everything else is dross.
Infinite's actually pretty good. And no, infinite's punchlines (for the time) are pretty good.
I'm not from chicago but I still make illa noise
You can date a stick of dynamite and u still won't go out with a bang
fellow followers singers, emcees throw up their hands like they swallowed their fingers
Those are Big L level punchlines, and if you think Big L is wack then you need to die.
Hopsin! Listen to Ill Mind 4 & 5
>I said rapper
go back to /mu/ faggot
>rhymesayers/def jux sucks
how fucking retarded are you? There's so many legit people on def jux its not even funny. Murs, mr. Lif, el-p, killer mike, ect. Go back to your drake wanna be gangster shit you uneducated fuck
>I only ever see black kids that are mad that a white guy is crowned number one or white kids that are trying to distance themselves from Eminem to be contrarian making themselves seem like more of a hip hop head.
I guess having different tastes makes me uneducated. Listen, I went through that phase too. Sooner or later you'll realize just because you listen to isn't popular doesn't make it good. Also, drake is pretty fucking good. Like give me one reason why drake isn't good? Stop name dropping artists and thinking they're bad because they're popular.
By that logic, there should be no american rockers since rock started off in the UK. And every community should keep to their music
>Thinking music has borders
>Just another americunt
>If you listen to hip hop solely for lyrics idk what to tell you
If I wanted a nice sound, I'd listen to rock. The art of hip-hop (because of it's lack of vocals) emphasizes lyrics.
Also, on a rhyme level... nobody crams in as many as eminem. And that makes his shit sound good.
Jeremy and Shauna are the most hardcore gangsters in the hood.
Rock and Roll started in America. My sides kid, you are incredibly inept.
There's a reason there are no french rappers that are considered GOAT. Also lol at the americunt comment, if you hate americans why are you trying to emulate their culture?
If you doubt it's existence, you are a short sighted fag who can't see what's happening outside his shitty country. If you looked it up a tiny bit you'd see how big of a phenomenon it is.
Well fuck, why didn't you say so? If we're judging rappers by their production value, then primo drops the illest motherfucking rhymes.
Also, production value... not in rock? You're crazy. Rock does almost nothing except focus on the sound, that's why all the lyrics are about some random shit.
I listen to newer people as well. It doesn't have to be known by like 5 people to be amazing, drake is garbage. His music is shit, his nasally flow is annoying and he raps about nothing most the time. He might have like 2 good songs which makes you not a great rapper. He also has no knowledge or even participation in hip hop roots, he dosent Graf write, he's fucking terrible at free styling, he has nothing going for him like most of those fucks that got lucky enough to be on the radio. Fuck drake, fuck kanye, I hope they all die in a cancer fire
The most dedicated rapper among men himself: E-40
I understand it's importance, but we're talking about rappers here. You can take a good rapper and put him on a shitty track, it'll sound bad. But he'll still be a good rapper.
Maybe in a way, chosing which tracks you to rap on reflects on you as a rapper. But eminem didn't have all that much choice when he started out. And he doesn't have as much choice now either, as compared to kanye.
i know this thread is largely bait, but i just have to say, honestly??? people actually like kayne west? they can stand to listen to him at all, much less actually think he's good?? He's such a complete joke, such a laughing stock, i am genuine astounded when i hear people actually like him. it's a big prank right? just some joke that i'm not in on right? The dude's IQ is literally probably like 85. the poor man is a cross-eyed, rampaging, egotistical clown.
also every single kanye fan is a college age white kid who grew up in the suburbs where there weren't any minorities at their high schools. prove me wrong
first and to this day best rapper EVER!!
So because isn't an immature vandal he isn't a legit artist? That's cool. The whole "b boy" thing is dead man, it isn't fashionable anymore. Not sure what you mean by "raps about nothing." You could literally say that about anyone. His flow is pretty nice imo so I don't know what to tell ya. Again name dropping random popular artists. Kanye is deep af man. Who do you even listen to
Every day and three times each Sunday. Ice is superior to that special needs troglodyte in every way.
It doesn't have borders, but you can't recreate a culture.
The French don't have a rap culture, it's only emulation. I'm sure there are some decent French rappers but no one that is on-par with American rappers.
They don't have the proper cadence to perfect it.
Just be glad that the French are at least better rappers than British or the Danish. Worst rap I've ever heard, it's literally either just plain out terrible or trying to rap at a double-time approach but with no actual flow.
did you even read the fucking text I replied to, numbfuck? shit, anon said that if you take a good rapper and put him on a bad beat it will sound bad. I basically said jay elec transcends that and his tracks are still hot over a cold beat. Fucking read, nigga
Looks like the same kind of people that don't liked Bound 2 because of the video,but Bound 2 got some cool beat, epic samples on it,and good lyrics
You don't even heard one music of Kanye,you're just a hater
and you're a college age white kid who went to school in a suburban town with very few minorities right? and no i didnt enjoy it. his rhythm is plain and boring and he takes breaths in weird places. nothing clever about his rapping whatsoever
You have no idea of what you're talking about.
>The french don't have a rap culture.
Please man, shut up. It's not the same as the american rap culture, and in my opinion it's better. I find it has more honesty to it, and has gone further with lyrical and instrumental research. Then that's just me.
I listen to french rap everyday, don't start insulting me if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
it has nothing to do with ego you fucking imbecile, black american culture is vastly different than the euronigger culture you ignorant bastard where the fuck do you live? huh? you a pussy ass euronigger? did some american bang the shit out of your mistresses and assert dominance? the only people who don't like americans, are you fucking foreign males because we fuck your women better and you know it.
>The French don't have a rap culture, it's only emulation
Dude, you are completely mistaken. A lot of France has some deep ass urban issues and ghettos. It's not a "recreation" of the culture like posers trying to be cool, it's more of a recreation of the culture because they can empathize with it.
You can hear it in french rap, it's genuine emotion. It's that genuine vibe.
Music is music. But we're not comparing people as "musicians" but as rappers. Rap = flow, lyricism, lyrical content. But not beats. So as a rapper, eminem is one of the best.
I don't even hate, America, the american cultures, or the americans. I fucking hate the faggots who go around boasting america's superiority and basically denying the right to other countries to have anything of their own. As inhabittants we don't fucking decide that your culture is imported to us. And about rap. France has a shit ton of urban communities that could relate to american rap, and after that take it somewhere else, US rap and French rap nowadays are totally different, and I prefer french rap.
Part of it's subjective. But part of it is a pattern, like in classical art, they had certain artistic standards. That's the technical aspect of rap, and it can be measured, almost mathematically. Everyone who's been considered GOAT follows 99% of those standards.
And eminem fulfills those technical standards very well.
>don't start insulting me if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
You were literally stating your opinion like two posts ago on incredibly wrong FACTS. Can you be any more of a hypocrite?
You have an inferiority complex when it comes to Americans. It's cool bro, but french rap is objectively bad.
This, x1000 this. Rappers are lyricists first and foremost. Secondarily, they're singers. And if they can be, they're producers thirdly.
Rock singers are singers first and foremost. Producers/instrumentalists secondly, and lyricists lastly.
Producers are just producers.
music is subjective i like def jux and drake and lil wayne,but def jux has some legit talent el-p produces his own tracks and is a damn good lyricist drake has some good beats that he doesnt make,hes better at making hooks then bars and he just fits in with todays crowd thats why hes famous
Leave it to the fucking wigger to say Kanye Kardashian. Fucking Titty Boy is better than his ass!
2. Lil Weezy
5. Nikki Minaj
Kanye is t even on the list you piece of shit faggot wigger
>doesn't reply to hate with hate, assumes can't read
I'm not going to reply to you're stpid comments about how people from one country fuck better that the other or some bullshit like that because the only thing it has done for you is show your insecurity when it comes to sexual relations.
yeah? what are these standards? who decides them? Almost measured mathematically? Can I see the almost-equations used in these almost-calculations?
or did you just make shit up to try and prove your point?
your basically saying that using elements from different genres makes his entire yeezus album plagiarized. Lets not forget the army of producers that also created yeezus, im sure theyre all very 1 dimensional artists too. oh and college drop out was entirely produced by kanye himself, one of the best rapper/produces ever,
he is a dumb nigger who thinks he is smart. but believe me he is not smart, in fact he wouldn't be smartest being in an isle of retard
And that I agree with. Neither is his content.
>I hate my mom and am a poor little boy
Basically all eminem ever says. But rhyme-wise/structure wise, he's very talented.
To me biggie had the nicest voice and flow, 50 cent has a great flow too (although I consider him a terrible rapper because he's got no lyricism or content). Tupac and PRT had some of the nicest content, which is very rare. Rap isn't really known for being though provoking.
And Big L, Big Pun were great lyrically like eminem is also.
Comes into thread asking to give a BETTER rapper. Ecpects everyone to start with: "In my humble opinion which is mine and shouldn't affect anyone else but me, please I don't maen to make you angry but I think that:"
Fuck off faggot
yes, I said that in a funny way but it is true. But you're denying that american black culture is unlike any other blacks in the world. The original rap artists sound the most authentic. Why haven't you shared with us a french rap song? I've heard some but obviously it's not on the same level of what you listen to, because I think it's shit that tries to be like american rap. That's what I've heard, please sway me no bullshit now
I knew someone would ask :D
Well it all started in the late 80s and 90s. Rappers used to rhyme, but some didn't really rhyme perfectly. They'd rhyme words like "gat/clack". That was the first innovation in rap then. Then came along Kool G rap, he started using a technique called "multis". Basically, it's a sequence of rhymes. 1 rhyme after another, then rakim started doing it and it became common practice. The longer the rhymes were, the better it sounded.
Then I don't know who, but people began using inner-rhymes (Bone thugs and Tupac do it a lot, but they probably didn't pioneer it). And both of these things are what eminem is realllllllll good at.
I think your comprehension skills are lacking, how did you infer that at all?
It has nothing to do with politeness.
You said it yourself how Americans are egocentric, douchy, and cunts.
But when you were called out for it you changed your tune to backpedal your way out of it because you know that's exactly why you favor french over US in regards to rap.
bunch of faggots list in here
>oldschool: nas biggie pac
>what hiphop is now: lil wayne drake and u name it
nobody gives a fuck about underground bullshit and battle rappers if they cant even reach out of a basement irrelevant fucks
Ok you can't deny that this sounds a lot like american rap, thanks for sharing. it is better than the french rap I've heard but I still think american rap is much better and more original. Thanks anon
yes yes yes I liked what I heard, but it sounds like a poor man's 90s rap to me. I liked it a lot, I love the style. I will just never go out of my way to hear anything like that song in particular when I already have a bunch of better versions already in my library.
ok, so you took me through what may or may not have been some innovations in the way rappers deliver. and it seems youve come to the conclusion that eminem is one of the best at a particular type of rhyme scheme/technique.
so it seems like these standards you spoke of arise when someone tries something new, it catches on, and becomes commonplace/the standard.
but what makes you think that what makes a rapper the "best" is how well they conform to these standards? what if I don't like inner-rhymes, or a nasally voice, or super fast delivery?
i know you tried to put some objectivity in what someone said was a subjective matter, but when you break it apart its still subjective.
but yeah I guess eminem is good at rhyming very fast on beat about stuff thats not solely money/bitches/murder.
>So because isn't an immature vandal he isn't a legit artist? That's cool. The whole "b boy" thing is dead man, it isn't fashionable anymore.
Belittling two elements of Hip Hop to vandalism and "unfashionable"... Your opinion is invalid. Please never comment on Hip Hop ever again. Thanks.
Again, all you people with strong opinions: Do you even participate in Hip Hop culture?
There's a reason Kanye is as famous as he is. Sure, he can be an egotistical asshole. But he is a pioneer in the music world. He's a genius whether or not you want to admit it. There's plenty of good rappers, but he really is one of the top 3 ever, if not number one.
Sure Tupac and Biggie and those old school rappers were good in the 90's. This is 2014, the hip hop world isn't the same, stop dick riding them. They aren't good when you really compare them to a lot of modern day rappers. There shit was basic. Old school. And that was good then. Not now.
Few rappers come close to being as good as Kanye. Like I said, he's a pioneer. You can't compare the drill rappers of Chicago to Kanye. Drill is pretty cool, I fuck with Lil Herb and Chief Keef, but they aren't as good lyrically, and they aren't really bringing anything new to the table like Ye.
I'm not saying that other rappers suck, because there are a lot of great rappers. Joey Bada$$, Earl, Vince Staples, Schoolboy Q, Gambino, Kid Cudi, Chance the Rapper, Mac Miller, Travi$ Scott, Curren$y, hell I could list all day. But do any of them really come close to what Kanye has achieved? No. Mac and Cudi are bringing some new shit to the table and I really dig them, but they aren't a Kanye.
Eminem is just a sellout. Fuck him. He was pretty good back in the 2000's. Relapse marked his downfall. Recovery was shit. And now he made this new MMLP to "get back to his roots" but really, he did it to get more fucking money. That shit isn't new. It wasn't good. Fuck. Eminem.