Who was the biggest badass in history and why?
Also, history in general. Anegdotes and such.
Pic related, one of the biggest motherfuckers that lived
Another badass named Chesty Puller.
He was a retired United States Marine Corps lieutenant general and one of the most decorated members of the Marine Corps. Puller is one of two servicemen (and the only Marine) to ever be awarded five Navy Crosses. He fought guerrillas in Haiti and Nicaragua, and participated in battles of World War II and the Korean War.
Famous for his quotes:
>We're surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them."
- November 1950, during Chosin Reservoir campaign
>Where do you put the bayonet on the damn thing?
-upon seeing a flamethrower demonstrated for the first time
Hitler. The hard shelled badass with a heart of gold. Plays by his own rules and all that. Probably the most badass to take on the soviet unnion, all of europe, and the usa at the same time. What would the world be like if he had obtained the first nuke before us? Idk but europe wouldnt be nearly as brown as it is today and the middle east would have an israel to complicate everything
I knew his name is gonna pop up here, but i hardly think of him as a badass. He took advantage of the economical situation Germany was in at the time, and was able to get into power with that.
He was a great motivator as well, in a time when the country needed motivation. He did nothing badass though...
Everyone posting, care to include a story next to the name? Lets make this thread interesting
Best pics of napoleon ever .
For me,another mother fucker ;
For me, It's a difficult decision between Frederick the Great and Erwin Rommel
Then we have this beast, and a story.
Ever wonder where the term "Don't kill the messenger." comes from?
Genghis Khan sent a messenger to a city to do the usual gib. "Yo, Khan is here. Surrender your shit or die." (Paraphrasing). Anywho, the leaders of this town decided "nah, and fuck you Mr Messenger".
So they killed the messenger, chopped off his head and threw it over the city wall. Now, Genghis decided to show everyone why he would end up in every history book ever.
He invaded the city, killed every man, woman, child, cow, sheep, cat and anything else living. Burned the entire city to the ground, removed all of the stone and put it far away, scorched the earth and then divided a river so it would run over the earth where the town stood.
Then ordered everyone to tell the story, but not to mention the name of the city or anyone that lived there.
So yeah, don't kill the goddamn messenger.
>not my story
Joseph Hooker was a union armory officer during the civil war. he was known for hanging with prostitutes all the time. people began calling them hooker's girls. today they are hookers.
>mentioning the very name of sparta will be punishable by death
I have a story for him. The story takes place in 1815, after he had already had his stint as emperor and was exiled to Elba. He escapes with a pitiful army of around a thousand local ragtag sodiers. King Louis XVIII, who had just taken the French throne, sends his royal troops to apprehend him, but when they arrive at a standoff, Napoleon orders his men to lower their weapons. He walks forward, eyeing soldiers in the King's army, who had been under his command only two years before. If asked, he could have recounted their individual names. He stops in the middle of the battlefield and says,
"Soldiers of the Fifth, do you recognize me? If there is anyone among you who wishes to kill your emperor, here I am."
The King's Army screams, "Long live the emperor!" and they rush to his side. As he continues to march northward, the King sends another contingency to push him back, but Napoleon recruits them too. The king retaliates by sending another, larger group of troops down. That's when Napoleon steals the King's army for the third time. After this, Louis receives a letter from Napoleon that says,
"Dear brother, you need not send any more troops. I have enough as it is."
Then he took back France.
Napoleon is my favorite, great soldier, great general and a great Emperor. Saved France from ruin after the revolution and subjugated half of Europe in the process. If only the Russians had played by the rules and surrendered when he took Moscow.
If you take into account Operation Barbarossa, the micro-managing of his generals, and the persecution of people who eventually built his enemies the atomic bomb Hitler was objectively a moron.
Mad Jack Churchill
>Used a broadsword and a longbow in WW2
>Took out a mortar position & captured 42 prisoners with said broadsword
>Captured twice, escaped capture twice
>Went on to be a surfer after the war
smokes all the weed he wants and is about to get divorcedand fuck all the white women
Afonso Henriques, founder and first king of Portugal. After his father died he rebelled against the political stance of his mother, who wanted to strengthen the ties with Leon (aka being subservient), smacked the hoe and later beat her in battle. With the troops he had left, he then proceded to claim most of Portugal's land from the moors and the kingdom of Leon, won the Pope's favour and founded is own country.
>destroys the Persian empire
>conquers the known world
>didn't lose a single battle in his life
>died at 32
'Mad' Jack Churchill was the most badass guy ever
Gilles de rais. Hands down the biggest historical bad ass there ever was.
on a purely evolutionary survival of the fittest point of view: Genghis Kahn
Given that he increased his fitness (producing living offspring/spreading his genes) to a point that "0.5 percent of the male population in the world, or roughly 16 million descendants [are] living today". http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0214_030214_genghis.html
The fact that only a small percentage of men relative to the percentage of women throughout history were able to carry on their genes makes it even more astonishing (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool)
He was THE alpha male of all of history
If doing whatever you want is the measure of a bad-ass...
>Ends the religious conflict that had been tearing the country apart and settles on based Protestantism
>Defeats the dominant global superpower that was Spain
>Settles English speaking lands in North America
>Brings a golden age to Britain which produces the greatest writer that has ever lived
>Turns England from a mediocre European country to a perfidious world beater
>Never marries in the process for she loves her country more than any man
>DON'T FUCKING INVADE RUSSIA DURING SNOW SEASON.
He invaded Russia before the snow came. Snow started to pour when he departed from Russia for numerous reasons (Including General Malet's attempted coup, the burning of Moscow, the refusal of Alexander Ist to hear him, and the fact the Russian army was hiding, as per Barclay de Tolly's orders)
The way the Russians defeated him was fucking genius, though.
>quick, france is coming, what do?
>just abandon the city, then he just has a bunch of empty buildings to invade
>good plan comrade
Roughly 6-8% of the current extant male population can directly trace it's lineage to Atilla the Hun. Had sex with a different woman every night.
meh rommel wasnt that great after all. His success was all pretty much based on the got tier secret service the germans had in africa. They basically decoded everything the brits sent out. Read that up if you want.
I think its interesting how everytime something major happened, he wasnt at the front but somewhere else. Makes you think
josef mengele, he killed babies and doesn't afraid of anything
The biggest bad ass was Shaka Zulu. The top nigger took over and connected most of Africa. You guys got to be honest nothing more difficult then trying to control a crazy monkey guerrilla black person who's out of control. He went and bonded all of them together like a Ork warlord! WAAAAAGGHHH! Shaka Zulu is the biggest bad ass
>ctrlf + Andrew Jackson - 0 results
He had over 20 duels at the white house, he smoked 20 cigars a day and drank a quart of corn liquor, he dug a bullet out of his arm at a cabinet meeting and sent it back to the other guy. When he was 70 a guy tried to assassinate him and he beat a guy with two pistols down with his cane. His parrot was kicked out of his funeral for profanity
How about the real Count Dracula, Vlad the Impaler was as crazy as he was bad ass.
and he *almost definitely didn't exist
pure genius. Lets asian up abit.
At that time eurofags were basically hacking themselves into pieves men against men for tha honour
Vasily was ordered by Stalin to hold Stalingrad under pain of death. At the end his command post was less than a few hundred yards from the German lines. Later he would lead the Red Army into Berlin.
Chiukov was also, unlike all the other people mentioned in this thread, a decent man.
And what does that tell you?
Of all the mundane things that contemporary historians wrote about, they never wrote about a guy that raised the dead or walked on water? That would be like people in 4014 hearing about the Ohio water shortage but not about 9/11 or World War II
Really? No one posts Muhammad?
Ended Zoroastrianism by killing the last Persian Empire, (In sense of the use of Zoroastrianism.) Conquered many lands and created one of the most cancerous Religions that exist today.
this bad motherfucker here
beatiful just beatiful.
I always liked stories about total anihilation of someones enemies. So i go with 2 guys for this post:
-Hannibal: A genious leader from Carthago in north africa. Led a huge army including war elephants over the sea, from spain over the fucking alps to italy and terorrized it for about 15 years. He was just that good of a tactician that he made the war loving romans fear for their lives in their own territory for 15 years.
-Scipio africanus: A roman badass. After rome had suffered for years under hannibal. They had enough. They survived. They lost the battles but survived (mainly because the dictator Fabius Maximus was smart enough to evade Hannibal; drew always back; kept him at bay; left them empty villages to be raided; made him suffer slowly). Then they just got to carthago. They defeated their army in battle, not standing a chance against the romans without hannibal ( hannibals brother was leading the battle).
Hannibal had to return to carthago to defend the city. But he lost eventually against scipio who had just studied hannibals tactics for years and years, adapting them to the roman stile and thus being able to crush hannibals forces.
Hannibal had to flee; commited suicide wile surounded.
Carthago was taken by the romans. They killed everyone living in it, sparing no one. They burned down the city and all villages and towns, they destroyed every piece of art and literature comming from that place. They burned down the fields and the woods and then salted the earth so that nothing would grow there anymore
that was my point. And that's not even accounting for the lack of evidence for Jesus's more likely, realistic goings on. Like being a civil dissident big enough for Rome to want him crucified. But alas, there's not a single mention.
Totally. He was imprisoned at a young age...father and bro killed by the ottoman turks...betrayed. Made him a ruthless motherfucker. Took care of the romanians in his area....stuck poles up the ass of invaders thousands at a time.
>made an entire population go against russian empire with only words
>destroyed russian monarchy and killed royal bloodline
>inspired by Marx and created communism
>issued atheism only government
>his legacy was feared by Americans, japanese, and Germans
>French Empire: 600,000 civilians
>Total dead and missing: 1,000,000 civilians were killed in Europe and in rebellious French overseas colonies
This guy. Let 100 acres of Rrome burn to make room for his palace, partied hard enough to bankrupt an empire.
Fucked bitches like killing men
Made the government give land to the people of Mexico
it was all part of his unique charm. also, who else could fall off of his chariot, DNF the race and still be delcared the winner? (due again to his charm, also bribes and threats, but why be emperor if you can't have fun)
how about before 15 years after the dude you're talking about fucking dies.
>Hmm, I've heard this great discussion between Socrates and some dudes!
>Better wait 20 years to make sure he's good and dead before I write any of this shit down.
>"let my people be true romans"
>"we romans now?"
This man speaks the truth guys. I'm all for the reasonable likelihood of there being a historical Jesus, as a man; but you'll still struggle to find non-biblical that wasn't altered later.
"I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!"
>Conquered India against the Will of his Superiors, all of fucking INDIA
>Defeated Napoleon in Portugal
>Defeated Napoleon in Spain
>Defeated Napoleon at Waterloo
>Prime Minister for many years
Based Arthur Wellesy
Otto von Bismark
united germany to the most powerfull and succesfull country in europe
But all his work got destroyed again Q_Q
its pretty fucking close when looking at ancient sources. any sources related to antiquety are scares and fragmentary. we have to work with the sources we have. Similar cases can be made to doubt the existance of many ancient people when using your criteria
>Avenged Julius Caesar
>Defeated Mark Anthony
>Conquered pretty much everybody
>Created an Empire that lasted nearly 1,500 years
>Knew C-C-Claudius was actually pretty chill
>Became a God
literal God-tier Caesar Augustus
King in the past,
and our past king.
"His name is often associated with the slang term for prostitute, although the word "hooker" has been documented to appear with that meaning in print well before he became a public figure."
You're all retarded.
Suvorov, Best General of All Time.
Would have wrecked Napoleon's shit if he had gotten the chance.
Yall niggers don't know Timur the Lame.
"Timur's armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe, sizable parts of which were laid waste by his campaigns. Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population."
if by pretty fucking close you mean not at all. We had writing, timekeeping, world-travelling merchants, historians, and very accurate dating and calendars during these times. To the point that we can date almost to the day any given date from historical evidence- and the practice of dating news and accounts is not anything new - In fact the practice is so old that we know which dates exactly (and in some cases the times) from wars in the second and third centuries B.C. If we can get the fucking time in the morning that Hannibal launched an attack on the Romans, I think it follows that we can date stuff a little bit more accurately than to "within a generation"
>industrialized russia, and did it just in time to be the main power to defeat germany
>after 70% of Russias industry had been destroyed in the war he was able to bring russia to a superpower status in under ten years
>put the first man in space
>commissioned the worlds largest bomb Tsar bomba 100 megatons
>came from extreme poverty
Roman von Ungern-Sternberg
Actually, there's no historical writing of Jesus until nearly 100 years after his death. It's becoming more accepted that he never existed at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory
Alexander by far. Most of the guys mentioned in this thread wished they were like him. Dude had Aristoteles as teacher after all.
Ok, fuck off now, make the way for lesser known badasses
Prince Joseph Poniatowski
>mad parties all day erry day
>standing naked at a military parade
>riding a horse naked through the streets of Warsaw with policemen trying to catch him (he made a bet)
>he didn't really make it to that one battlefield one time because he made love to a lucky woman
>fucked Russians in battle and made them gtfo
>when Austrian troops were advancing with intention of taking Warsaw (battle of Raszyn) and the battle didn't go well, he stepped down from his horse, picked up a rifle, ordered his men to put on the bayonets and literally led them in assault
>with 12 thousand troops he made 38 thousand Austrians gtfo
then Napoleon used Poland and everyone fucked them over and everyone died of AIDS
>after 70% of Russias industry had been destroyed in the war he was able to bring russia to a superpower status in under ten years
>he was able to bring russia to a superpower status
Your point is worthless in regard to proving whether Socrates existed or not. 2 men of roughly similar lifespans and birth dates both choose to write about the same teacher. They were both his contemporaries and direct eye-witnesses. The fact that they didn't write about him until after his death has absolutely no bearing on the validity of his existence; even if it may have bearing on the truth of the ideas they spout.
you know why Russia made the Tsar Bomba? Because it was shit. They were so bad at dropping bombs that to compete with the US (who could accurately target a billfold from across the pacific), they made a bomb so big that it didn't matter where they dropped it, something would happen.
tl;dr - Russia had to make a 100 Megaton bomb because they COULDNT FUCKING DROP SHIT OUT OF A PLANE
Don't let the dainty pic fool you.
That's Basil II, also known as "Basil the Bulgar-Blinder" or "Basil the Bulgar-Slayer".
He really, really hated the fuck out of Bulgarians. Thats not cool. Hating a whole people like that.
But holy shit did he hate the fuck out of those guys. And when a Byzantine emperor hates, he hates with mighty power.
But read up on him. Worth your five minutes.
Khalifa, I know thats you. And I know that you want to appear big and strong through your horrible divorce, but just man up and face the facts sober and with open arms. The future comes whether you like it or not.
What about that guy that single handedly freed an entire town of prisoners during WW I, was captured twice and escaped twice, got shot multiple times and told his friends to leave him behind, came back weeks later with an empty handgun and a knive.
During WW II he led numerous operations, captured multiple German officers, had a sniper kill count of over 550 confirmed kills, some of them over lengths of 1000 meters. Got sent special track teams on his ass because he was so much of a threat, Germans were told to evacuate if he was on the way
Got the medal of honor.
If Napoleon had sharp shod his horses for icey roads like Poniatowski had suggested he wouldn't have been quite so fucked in 1812 too
Augustus gets and deserved mad respect but we cannot forget about his man man:
Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa. Augustus was the weakling price. Agrippa was his enforcer.
The Way of the Samurai is found in death. When it comes to either/or, there is only the quick choice of death. It is not particularly difficult. Be determined and advance. To say that dying without reaching one's aim is to die a dog's death is the frivolous way of sophisticates. When pressed with the choice of life or death, it is not necessary to gain one's aim.
We all want to live. And in large part we make our logic according to what we like. But not having attained our aim and continuing to live is cowardice. This is a thin dangerous line. To die without gaining one's aim is a dog's death and fanaticism. But there is no shame in this. This is the substance of the Way of the Samurai. If by setting one's heart right every morning and evening, one is able to live as though his body were already dead, he gains freedom in the Way. His whole life will be without blame, and he will succeed in his calling. -Yamamoto Tsunetomo
Prussians were just straight-up top to bottom badasses. Frederick the Great, his dad, the first Kaiser, von Manstein, von Moltke, Clausewitz.
Everyone should want to be like a Prussian.
then why did no one else write about Socrates at all, even when being put to death in Athens was an exceedingly rare occurrence- and by the accounts of his followers he was greatly hated for "poisoning the minds of the youth." No such person was recorded as such, and we know full well that the Athenians kept accurate records of these kinds of events. Yet none exist for Socrates.
Consensus only in american schools and religious houses.
The dude never existed. Pure myth.
Like Gaius Julius Cæsar (I). <-- no jk
Gaius Marius, responsible for the creation of the worlds first standing army and his pension after years of service concept is still used today along with logistical structure and leadership structure. The man is the grandfather of modern warfare, and the reason why Rome was great.
They lost to Napoleon initially, yes, but then they kicked his ass. Ever wonder how Prussia had all that territory in the West of Germany? That's what they were given for giving Napoleon a savage ass kicking in round 2.
I ain't saying hes THE biggest badass, but still... I read about him here
badassoftheweek dot c om krum
nigga decapitated a byzantine emperor and made byzantine diplomats drink from his skull.
Unbeatable in single combat, was named the Horrible, kicked another byzantine emperors ass so hard he became a monk, pretty cool guy. Also fucked alot of women.
Had he not died first, Patton would have almost surely been convicted of insubordination for disobeying direct orders. His "legend" was mostly bullshit from a very distorted and historically inaccurate film. He caused the Battle of the Bulge which extended the war by six months, killed thousands of Allies and allowed the Soviets to take Berlin. What a hero.
Both Abu Bakr and (the fabled) Muhammad came from the Quraysh-tribe that had ruled Mecca for centuries before the advent of Islam.
Abu Bakr could have simply used a more contemporary story to get the people to rally more easily in order to strike at the weakened Sassanide and Byzantine empires that had been rolling around the city's countryside.
Yamamoto wrote the book buddy. You could say anything about Miyamatos circumstances he was thrust into but Yamamoto was a better samurai.
>not one mention of Guderian
This fucker literally changed the way warfare is fought single-handedly.
Plus he was one of the only German generals to have the balls to challenge Hitler's ideas.
They did but they also had 4 other Empires on their side in Coalition 6 and 7. Napoleon conquered Prussia in only 19 days. Prussia was on the winning side but it could have been very different if Grouchy didn't screw up.
Carolus Rex of Sweden->build the greatest swedish empire on the foundation laid by Gustav Adolf, nearly got to moskau, always fought in the front lines,
--> Only one of his over-badass stories:
when in exile in the osmanic empire the sultan wanted him to be arrested and he defended his residence with seventy swedish soldiers against 8000! osman soldiers. when they had no ammo left he ordered a charge and ran out first. The charge only ended because his ear was shot of. died some years later in a siege when he was shooting down from the castle.
Michael Wittmann, greatest german tankdriver in WWII. Just kicked as in his Tiger tank.
Once attacked 27 british elite tanks completely alone and made them flee. died in 1944 when charging deep into the enemy line. his bournt out tank was found within a circle of burned out antitanks, tanks and dead soldiers.
Dont want to burst your bubble :http://www.badassoftheweek.com/savic.html
Eliot Ness for saving Chicago from the scourge of illegal liquor.
Now there's a historical character whose denial I won't protest.
90% said about him is complete bullshit but I like him anyway.
He essentially created the idea of Blitzkrieg and was the first person to see the potential in tanks.
Aristophanes was pretty well known for using real Athenian citizens as characters in his plays. It would be out of character for him to use Socrates if he wasn't a real person. Also, Socrates never did anything supernatural. There is zero reason to need him to be a myth.
I know, but then again it was common at the time to personify a set of ideals as those ideals' "perfect person." I was under the impression that that's what those instances were. Plato blames Aristophenes for slandering Socrates name, therefore getting him killed.
He worked with Joan of Arc and was a serial killer/ pedo who bathed in the blood of young buys he killed.
Are you implying real-life Socrates wasn't the personification of Socratic ideals? Also there weren't really ideas like his floating around in the culture. He changed philosophy permanently. There's a reason all philosophy before him is called "Pre-Socratic"
People take what's in that film to be actual fact but it's not even close. The truth is that the Allied High Command covered up how incompetent they knew he was for propaganda purposes. When he began to believe his own hype and disobeyed orders they sent him to Italy with the excuse that he slapped a soldier. It then left to Omar Bradly to clean up his mess and Germans took full advantage. There was going to be an accounting for that, but he was killed by a traffic accident first.
None of those thing are particularly bad ass, man. I could start sticking up for women and poor people while simultaneously raping/murdering infants today and no one would call it bad ass
zero reason for him to be a myth other than the potential for martyrdom. Easiest way to get people to love a made up character is to kill him off for standing up for his ideas. Arisophenes seems like pretty damn contemporary evidence to me, though. I'm genuinely happy that Socrates seems to have better evidence for his historicity than Jesus, lol.
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."
>Napoleon, man who literally served the kikes and tore the holy monarchies of Europe apart giving us the shithole we have now
PLEASE FUCKING KILL YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY DAMN
Adrian Carton de Wiart is the most badass person, mad jack is up there but Adrian takes the cake.
Wiki related : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart
Andrew Jackson was a white supremacist and I despise that, but I admire his stance against central gov't. If I remember correctly, he was the only American president other than Lincoln to do so.
Karl XII was shot by a norwegian while laying siege to one of their forts. Also he was the first one to say the whole ''Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes'' thing.
Most of the important Ancient Greek texts and criticisms were kept in Alexandria, for obvious reasons. When the empire collapsed, the Byzantine empire burned the library to the ground.
Hannibal excelled as a tactician. No battle in history is a finer sample of tactics than Cannae. But he was yet greater in logistics and strategy. No captain ever marched to and fro among so many armies of troops superior to his own numbers and material as fearlessly and skillfully as he. No man ever held his own so long or so ably against such odds
This fucker rekt contemporary epistemology and metaphysics, only he never left his fuckin town. In his whole life. The most sheltered badass in the world.
winrar right here
conquered more of the world than anyone else in history. so fucking much they divided his empire into four empires, each the size of a decent empire.
facilitate trade like a motherfucker after he killed everyone, making roads safer than ever before
there is a birth mark called the "blue spot " which something like 1 in every 10 asians have that signifies ghengis khan was your ancestor
You get personal gratification from believing Jesus didn't exist, therefore you latch onto a tiny number of crackpot pseudo-scholars who support that belief when the overwhelming majority of everyone else who's studied the issue, Christian or not accepts his existence.
>Francisco de Miranda
Fought in Prussia, Turkey, France, United States, Latin America, Russia
And is the only man born in the America's with his name written in the Triumph Arc in France
Inventor of the lead-additive for gasoline AND chlorofluorocarbon / CFC
he is the ONE organism that caused the MOST harm to earth
I want the whole world to know that ISIS has nothing to do with Muslims or Arabs. I want the world to know that ISIS is nothing but a westernized fabrications to make people in the Middle East look bad. The concept of a terrorist was born in Europe and America, when white people slaughtered Natives and Black people for centuries but the media doesn't talk about that much, they want you support so they plan an ignorant organization in the most chaotic land to have an excuse to send their troops back there. //\\ #LetItBeKnown
based teddy, have a quote
“I like to have the man who as a citizen feels, when a wrong is done to the community by any one, when there is an exhibition of corruption or betrayal of trust, or demagogy or violence, or brutality, not that he is shocked and horrified and would like to go home; but I want to have him feel the determination to put the wrong-doer down, to make the man who does wrong aware that the decent man is not only his superior in decency, but his superior in strength.” -TR
I see your point.
But the evidence we have for the existence of Socrates comes from more than the writings put forward by his "students". In fact, those writings probably do more for the appraisal of his character and, to a certain degree, his ideology, even though they cannot account for these beyond any doubt.
There were writings about him by contemporaries and many people who knew him personally, though we only know of these through other texts that reference those texts that have since been lost.
In any case, historical exactitude was not of their utmost concern; at least, not to the exactitude we have come to expect today.
I don't know what you have studied, but most of the resources for New Testament studies are horrible. I mean there is probably have been more studies done to find out if Moses existed compared to Jesus. Then again, I never majored in it or anything, perhaps there are a few scholars who are producing good New Testament research.
Otherwise I applaud you admitting defeat in regards to Socrates. A thousand years from now people like you will be denying the existence of World War II because Churchill didn't publish his memoirs until after the fact.