History thread! Who was the biggest badass in history and why?

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>>571493198
Step up boy!

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Another badass named Chesty Puller.
He was a retired United States Marine Corps lieutenant general and one of the most decorated members of the Marine Corps. Puller is one of two servicemen (and the only Marine) to ever be awarded five Navy Crosses. He fought guerrillas in Haiti and Nicaragua, and participated in battles of World War II and the Korean War.


Famous for his quotes:

>We're surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them."
- November 1950, during Chosin Reservoir campaign
>Where do you put the bayonet on the damn thing?
-upon seeing a flamethrower demonstrated for the first time

Hitler. The hard shelled badass with a heart of gold. Plays by his own rules and all that. Probably the most badass to take on the soviet unnion, all of europe, and the usa at the same time. What would the world be like if he had obtained the first nuke before us? Idk but europe wouldnt be nearly as brown as it is today and the middle east would have an israel to complicate everything

>>571493198
The real Spartacus...anyone who disagrees is obviously trolling. I'd give Alexander the Great second place

Genghis or Atilla, motherfuckers destroyed everything in their path just cuz they felt like fukin bitches up.

>>571493962
I knew his name is gonna pop up here, but i hardly think of him as a badass. He took advantage of the economical situation Germany was in at the time, and was able to get into power with that.
He was a great motivator as well, in a time when the country needed motivation. He did nothing badass though...
Everyone posting, care to include a story next to the name? Lets make this thread interesting

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>>571493198
Best pics of napoleon ever .

For me,another mother fucker ;

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For me, It's a difficult decision between Frederick the Great and Erwin Rommel

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>>571493198

>>571494551
He did bring germany from bankrupt to the biggest economy of europe within a very short period of time.

Erwin Rommel.

>why is anyone still using this site

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Then we have this beast, and a story.

Ever wonder where the term "Don't kill the messenger." comes from?

Genghis Khan sent a messenger to a city to do the usual gib. "Yo, Khan is here. Surrender your shit or die." (Paraphrasing). Anywho, the leaders of this town decided "nah, and fuck you Mr Messenger".

So they killed the messenger, chopped off his head and threw it over the city wall. Now, Genghis decided to show everyone why he would end up in every history book ever.

He invaded the city, killed every man, woman, child, cow, sheep, cat and anything else living. Burned the entire city to the ground, removed all of the stone and put it far away, scorched the earth and then divided a river so it would run over the earth where the town stood.

Then ordered everyone to tell the story, but not to mention the name of the city or anyone that lived there.

So yeah, don't kill the goddamn messenger.
>not my story

>>571494893
Of course, i'll give him that. One of the biggest military forces as well

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>>571493198
Joseph Hooker was a union armory officer during the civil war. he was known for hanging with prostitutes all the time. people began calling them hooker's girls. today they are hookers.

>>571494463
This, some would argue the middle east never recovered from Genghis, that's how bad he fucked people up.

Hardcore History Podcast: Wrath of the Khans is worth every penny

>>571495128
Wow, so this is where the word 'hooker' comes from?
Did not know that, thanks!

>>571493198
I whole heartily agree, I fell in love with Napoleon in history class, he is the absolute shit.

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>>571494971
>mentioning the very name of sparta will be punishable by death

>>571495291
I have a story for him. The story takes place in 1815, after he had already had his stint as emperor and was exiled to Elba. He escapes with a pitiful army of around a thousand local ragtag sodiers. King Louis XVIII, who had just taken the French throne, sends his royal troops to apprehend him, but when they arrive at a standoff, Napoleon orders his men to lower their weapons. He walks forward, eyeing soldiers in the King's army, who had been under his command only two years before. If asked, he could have recounted their individual names. He stops in the middle of the battlefield and says,

"Soldiers of the Fifth, do you recognize me? If there is anyone among you who wishes to kill your emperor, here I am."

The King's Army screams, "Long live the emperor!" and they rush to his side. As he continues to march northward, the King sends another contingency to push him back, but Napoleon recruits them too. The king retaliates by sending another, larger group of troops down. That's when Napoleon steals the King's army for the third time. After this, Louis receives a letter from Napoleon that says,

"Dear brother, you need not send any more troops. I have enough as it is."

Then he took back France.

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Napoleon is my favorite, great soldier, great general and a great Emperor. Saved France from ruin after the revolution and subjugated half of Europe in the process. If only the Russians had played by the rules and surrendered when he took Moscow.

>>571493198
Mr. Rogers, he convinced Congress to not ban VHS recorders by arguing it would help children not miss his program while at school.

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There can be only one person.

>>571496396
The thread said badass. While Schiklgruber was influential, i wouldn't consider him a badass

>>571493198
Napoleon was a fucking idiot, just like Hitler.

DON'T FUCKING INVADE RUSSIA DURING SNOW SEASON.

>>571494971
True badass, right there.

>>571495296
Got his ass kicked.

If you take into account Operation Barbarossa, the micro-managing of his generals, and the persecution of people who eventually built his enemies the atomic bomb Hitler was objectively a moron.

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Mad Jack Churchill
>Used a broadsword and a longbow in WW2
>Took out a mortar position & captured 42 prisoners with said broadsword
>Captured twice, escaped capture twice
>Went on to be a surfer after the war

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smokes all the weed he wants and is about to get divorcedand fuck all the white women

>Pic related, one of the biggest motherfuckers that lived

'Motherfucker' is a good descriptor of him. If you remove the 'bad' from 'badass,' that's excellent as well.

>>571496396

if you've ever played Call of Duty 1 you truly understand that Russians and Americans shooting Germans on two fronts is not a great idea

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Afonso Henriques, founder and first king of Portugal. After his father died he rebelled against the political stance of his mother, who wanted to strengthen the ties with Leon (aka being subservient), smacked the hoe and later beat her in battle. With the troops he had left, he then proceded to claim most of Portugal's land from the moors and the kingdom of Leon, won the Pope's favour and founded is own country.

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ayy

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>destroys the Persian empire
>conquers the known world
>didn't lose a single battle in his life
>died at 32

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I saw.
I conquered.
I came.

>>571497208
Completely forgot about him. What a badass

>>571497276
Why do you say that?

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Mother Russia was his bitch, soo yeah.

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>>571493198
'Mad' Jack Churchill was the most badass guy ever

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Gilles de rais. Hands down the biggest historical bad ass there ever was.

Diogenes the Cynic. He masturbated in public, defaced public coinage, and mocked powerful people to their faces, in other words he was everything the typical 4chan user wishes he was,

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>>571493198

ese

on a purely evolutionary survival of the fittest point of view: Genghis Kahn
Given that he increased his fitness (producing living offspring/spreading his genes) to a point that "0.5 percent of the male population in the world, or roughly 16 million descendants [are] living today". http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0214_030214_genghis.html
The fact that only a small percentage of men relative to the percentage of women throughout history were able to carry on their genes makes it even more astonishing (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool)
He was THE alpha male of all of history

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If doing whatever you want is the measure of a bad-ass...

>>571497890
No idea who he is. Care to elaborate?

>>571497925
Truly a man before his time

>>571497208
>>571497845
either of you got the shot of him landing on Normandy, sword in hand?

>>571495691

r u autism?

>>571497216
Kill yourself.

>>571497974

followed by ramses II

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>Ends the religious conflict that had been tearing the country apart and settles on based Protestantism
>Defeats the dominant global superpower that was Spain
>Settles English speaking lands in North America
>Brings a golden age to Britain which produces the greatest writer that has ever lived
>Turns England from a mediocre European country to a perfidious world beater
>Never marries in the process for she loves her country more than any man
BASED

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>>571498175

>>571496934
>DON'T FUCKING INVADE RUSSIA DURING SNOW SEASON.

He invaded Russia before the snow came. Snow started to pour when he departed from Russia for numerous reasons (Including General Malet's attempted coup, the burning of Moscow, the refusal of Alexander Ist to hear him, and the fact the Russian army was hiding, as per Barclay de Tolly's orders)

a english king that's faped in public

>>571498691
u wot m8

>>571498149
He was a Lord from Brittany who fought alongside Joan-of-arc.
Long story short, he ended up slaughtering almost a village full of children in attempt to summon a demon.

>>571498149
The story goes that when he met Diogenes, Alexander offered to give him anything he wanted. Diogenes replied "Step aside, you are blocking my sunlight."

>>571498669
The way the Russians defeated him was fucking genius, though.

>quick, france is coming, what do?
>just abandon the city, then he just has a bunch of empty buildings to invade
>good plan comrade

>>571499024

that doesn't make him a badass, just a maniac

if you include those in the list check out calligula

he started a war against a fucking god

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>>571494463
Roughly 6-8% of the current extant male population can directly trace it's lineage to Atilla the Hun. Had sex with a different woman every night.

>>571495296
No! Wait! I said "that's part OF" I swear!

>>571499024
Ew, Frenchie scum. Gascony is ENGLISH CLAY! ENGLISH!

>>571493198

#1 is a tossup between Atilla and Genghis Khan

>>571499285
He also made his horse Consul

>>571498175
>>571498546

Had not seen that. Nice. Confirmed for pyscho.

Also honourable mention for Teddy Roosevelt - the most badass head of state in recent times.

>>571499507
Must have been a really fucking charismatic horse.

>>571499586
In terms of activity and lifestyle, sure but I'd argue that FDR had more integrity. I love how he managed to hold on JUST long enough to see the end of the war in Europe.

>>571494810
meh rommel wasnt that great after all. His success was all pretty much based on the got tier secret service the germans had in africa. They basically decoded everything the brits sent out. Read that up if you want.
I think its interesting how everytime something major happened, he wasnt at the front but somewhere else. Makes you think

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josef mengele, he killed babies and doesn't afraid of anything

>>571499507
Myth, he was killed before he could do that

Jesus.

He's fucked up society for thousands of years and thousands to come and he might not even have existed.

That's pretty damn badass.

>>571493198
mick jagger is the goat of literally all time
these guys may be great but they got nothin on pops

Vlad the impaler hands down

>>571495128
>hooker's girls
the term hooker predates him

>>571499024
Also a child rapist/pedophile. Pretty much just took and did what he wanted.

The biggest bad ass was Shaka Zulu. The top nigger took over and connected most of Africa. You guys got to be honest nothing more difficult then trying to control a crazy monkey guerrilla black person who's out of control. He went and bonded all of them together like a Ork warlord! WAAAAAGGHHH! Shaka Zulu is the biggest bad ass

>ctrlf + Andrew Jackson - 0 results

Fagets

He had over 20 duels at the white house, he smoked 20 cigars a day and drank a quart of corn liquor, he dug a bullet out of his arm at a cabinet meeting and sent it back to the other guy. When he was 70 a guy tried to assassinate him and he beat a guy with two pistols down with his cane. His parrot was kicked out of his funeral for profanity

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How about the real Count Dracula, Vlad the Impaler was as crazy as he was bad ass.

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>>571500003
and he *almost definitely didn't exist
FTFY

>>571500207
Rasputin was cooler.

>>571499586
Most badass statesman of recent times? i beg to differ. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov

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>>571493198
pure genius. Lets asian up abit.
At that time eurofags were basically hacking themselves into pieves men against men for tha honour

>>571500265
You're an idiot. The man existed, thats essentially historical consensus.

>>571497208
dude that's fucking pimp

>>571500412
*incorrect historical consensus
appeal to masses

>>571500305
>implying Chinese were not hacking themselves to pieces in Sun Tzu's time

>>571500617
I'm sorry, but there was a person called Jesus. I don't think he was the son of god, I think he was a mythologised social reformer.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Glass

>>571500194
fuck yeah. love it

>>571500265
>>571500617
Your fedora is on a bit too tight man

>>571500265
>>571500617

There has to be one in every thread..
You do know that the Bible is not the only source where Jesus was mentioned?

>>571500910
Yeah but none of the others were contemporary

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>>571500751
Damn, now thats manly as fuck

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>>571494727
I bet nelson would have been a /b/tard.

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>>571494810

Vasily Chuikov.

Vasily was ordered by Stalin to hold Stalingrad under pain of death. At the end his command post was less than a few hundred yards from the German lines. Later he would lead the Red Army into Berlin.

Chiukov was also, unlike all the other people mentioned in this thread, a decent man.

>>571500910
name on other contemporary source. Just one

>>571501026
Bible isn't contemporary to Jesus's life either

I love these threads

>>571500194
he also killed heaps of indians then stole their land and the land of friendly indians. then he captured florida and bitch slapped spain with his dick

>>571501253
And what does that tell you?

Of all the mundane things that contemporary historians wrote about, they never wrote about a guy that raised the dead or walked on water? That would be like people in 4014 hearing about the Ohio water shortage but not about 9/11 or World War II

>>571493727
Plus, his name sounds like a goddamn Mortal Kombat fatality and shit.

>>571501253
Josephus????

Really? No one posts Muhammad?
Wow.
Ended Zoroastrianism by killing the last Persian Empire, (In sense of the use of Zoroastrianism.) Conquered many lands and created one of the most cancerous Religions that exist today.

Leopold II King of Belgium
Killed a bunch of nigs- cool guy

>>571502137
any mention of Jesus in Josephus's works are additions by later editors or simple forgeries.

>>571502104
Zivio Drug Tito!

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this bad motherfucker here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Sun-sin

>>571494971
beatiful just beatiful.
I always liked stories about total anihilation of someones enemies. So i go with 2 guys for this post:
-Hannibal: A genious leader from Carthago in north africa. Led a huge army including war elephants over the sea, from spain over the fucking alps to italy and terorrized it for about 15 years. He was just that good of a tactician that he made the war loving romans fear for their lives in their own territory for 15 years.
-Scipio africanus: A roman badass. After rome had suffered for years under hannibal. They had enough. They survived. They lost the battles but survived (mainly because the dictator Fabius Maximus was smart enough to evade Hannibal; drew always back; kept him at bay; left them empty villages to be raided; made him suffer slowly). Then they just got to carthago. They defeated their army in battle, not standing a chance against the romans without hannibal ( hannibals brother was leading the battle).
Hannibal had to return to carthago to defend the city. But he lost eventually against scipio who had just studied hannibals tactics for years and years, adapting them to the roman stile and thus being able to crush hannibals forces.

Hannibal had to flee; commited suicide wile surounded.
Carthago was taken by the romans. They killed everyone living in it, sparing no one. They burned down the city and all villages and towns, they destroyed every piece of art and literature comming from that place. They burned down the fields and the woods and then salted the earth so that nothing would grow there anymore

>>571493198
Socrates.

>>571501590
that was my point. And that's not even accounting for the lack of evidence for Jesus's more likely, realistic goings on. Like being a civil dissident big enough for Rome to want him crucified. But alas, there's not a single mention.

>>571500207
Totally. He was imprisoned at a young age...father and bro killed by the ottoman turks...betrayed. Made him a ruthless motherfucker. Took care of the romanians in his area....stuck poles up the ass of invaders thousands at a time.

>>571502673
Zhang He, faggot. Gookfag.

>>571502278
Also, child bride

>>571502751
same as with Jesus, there's not enough evidence of his existence. No contemporary accounts, only posthumous accounts (only Plato actually ever writes about Socrates)

>>571503094
And that.

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>made an entire population go against russian empire with only words
>destroyed russian monarchy and killed royal bloodline
>inspired by Marx and created communism
>issued atheism only government
>his legacy was feared by Americans, japanese, and Germans

>>571502705
>commited suicide wile surounded
he actually killed himself years later, after the king whose court he was spending his exile in sold him to romans

>>571503170
lol never heard of Xenophon either I see

>>571503268
>issued atheism only government
fedora level history.

>>571497682

>http://www.academia.edu/227604/_It_Still_Makes_me_Shudder_Memories_of_Massacres_and_Atrocities_during_the_Revolutionary_and_Napoleonic_Wars

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties
>French Empire: 600,000 civilians
>Total dead and missing: 1,000,000 civilians were killed in Europe and in rebellious French overseas colonies

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This guy. Let 100 acres of Rrome burn to make room for his palace, partied hard enough to bankrupt an empire.

Micheal Collins anyone? Irish independence.
Nothing compared to those other faggots, but I mean, chill guy.

>>571503782
>built a retardo ship to kill his mom

>>571493198
Simo Häyhä, caused a lot of death to the cyka blyats.

Or maybe Ragnar lodbrok + kids

>>571493727
Fuck off with your shit history murrifag

>>571503910
C'mon An Coileánach!!! A badass for his time and place. miles ahead of Dev.

>>571503910
That bastard sold the north down the river the free state traitin wanker.

>>571504354
Actually, im Europoor. The guy is just a badass

Fridrich Barbarossa

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>>571498714
faggot

>>571503597
>Xenophon
can you read? I said contemporary accounts. same thing with Xenophon as with Plato, their accounts are not contemporary.

>>571504365
Yes. Yes. Yes.

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Lenin

>>571493198
che guevara

last thing he said before he got shot down

I know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a man. The idea lives on.

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Pancho villa

Fucked bitches like killing men
Made the government give land to the people of Mexico

>>571493198
Napoleon was a fag who got exiled and died.

>>571504559
Fuck off, it would have been an unfair deal anyways. I live in the North too.

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Gustaf II Adolf

>>571495882
What are those "rules" you mention?

>>571504136
it was all part of his unique charm. also, who else could fall off of his chariot, DNF the race and still be delcared the winner? (due again to his charm, also bribes and threats, but why be emperor if you can't have fun)

>>571503268
Yes

>>571504365
>ID - Gadaffi
>thread related

>>571504634
is your definition of contemporary "written with 5 minutes of the events described"?

>>571505145
oh shheeeeeeeeeettt!!!

>>571505456
how about before 15 years after the dude you're talking about fucking dies.
>Hmm, I've heard this great discussion between Socrates and some dudes!
>Better wait 20 years to make sure he's good and dead before I write any of this shit down.

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>>571495691

>>571505456
Within their lifetime would suffice, especially if they performed miracles

>>571505027
Sheeeit yes.
För Imperiet!

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>>571506142
Självklart!

All of you faggots also reject Mehmed the Conqueror.
Like, what. Go fuck yourselves.

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Blood and Guts

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>>571493198
alaric I
>"let my people be true romans"
>emperorseznope.mosaic
>raiding rome
>"we romans now?"

>>571506942
Any backstory?

how could you name lenin or stalin but no

trotzky

stalin sent an assassin to kill him. that assassin put a axe in his head

guess what? trotzky survived, the assassin didn't.

>>571507182
He slapped a soldier for saying he had battle fatigue

Also he had like six penises

>>571502384
This man speaks the truth guys. I'm all for the reasonable likelihood of there being a historical Jesus, as a man; but you'll still struggle to find non-biblical that wasn't altered later.

>>571506942
"I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!"
- GSP

>>571507358
He went for his sidearm after a second soldier reported battle fatigue and was restrained by fellow officers

>Conquered India against the Will of his Superiors, all of fucking INDIA
>Defeated Napoleon in Portugal
>Defeated Napoleon in Spain
>Defeated Napoleon at Waterloo
>Prime Minister for many years

Based Arthur Wellesy

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>>571507864
Fuck, forgot pic

The big names are:

Alexander the great
Ghengis Khan
Tamerlane
Attila the Hun
Napoleon
Hitler

Obama

>>571497669
lol

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>>571493198
Otto von Bismark

united germany to the most powerfull and succesfull country in europe
But all his work got destroyed again Q_Q

>>571504354
>shit history

>greatest country on Earth

gat cancer faggot

>>571507980
>Obama
kek'd hard

>>571507980
Obama is hardly a historical badass

>>571502278
atleast get it right fag
he died before the muslim armies ever left arabia

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J. P. M

>>571508173
inb4 Nobel peice prise

>>571504298
lodbrok is most likely a myth

>>571507316
Wasn't it an icepick?

>>571508517
His legacy still pretty much killed the world.

>>571508607
Or monopoly, the man.

>>571493198
Teddy Motherfucking Roosevelt

>>571506068
its pretty fucking close when looking at ancient sources. any sources related to antiquety are scares and fragmentary. we have to work with the sources we have. Similar cases can be made to doubt the existance of many ancient people when using your criteria

>>571502278
Abu Bakr was the one who conquered a lot of shit. I think he was his step son or something like that

>>571509567
He's also leader of ISIS.

>>571502751
You should look up Diogenes. That's a fucking greek badass. Heraclitus too.

>>571508754
Too true, m8.
Bunch of Norwegian asshats.

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Augustus Caesar

>Avenged Julius Caesar
>Defeated Mark Anthony
>Stabilised Rome
>Rebuilt it
>Conquered pretty much everybody
>Created an Empire that lasted nearly 1,500 years
>Knew C-C-Claudius was actually pretty chill
>Became a God

literal God-tier Caesar Augustus

>>571498125

Mah nigga

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>>571493198
King in the past,

and our past king.

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>>571499434
Genghis khan

>>571497669
>I came

hue hue

Overall, the Turks/Mongols, whatever, Xiongnu. Got this.
Read Wolf Totem, fantastic book.
Open your eyes to Mongol superiority.

>>571509961
</3

>>571495128
"His name is often associated with the slang term for prostitute, although the word "hooker" has been documented to appear with that meaning in print well before he became a public figure."

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You're all retarded.

Suvorov, Best General of All Time.
Would have wrecked Napoleon's shit if he had gotten the chance.

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Yall niggers don't know Timur the Lame.
"Timur's armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe, sizable parts of which were laid waste by his campaigns. Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population."

>>571509374
if by pretty fucking close you mean not at all. We had writing, timekeeping, world-travelling merchants, historians, and very accurate dating and calendars during these times. To the point that we can date almost to the day any given date from historical evidence- and the practice of dating news and accounts is not anything new - In fact the practice is so old that we know which dates exactly (and in some cases the times) from wars in the second and third centuries B.C. If we can get the fucking time in the morning that Hannibal launched an attack on the Romans, I think it follows that we can date stuff a little bit more accurately than to "within a generation"

>>571510749
Also had a 68-0 Win/Lose

>>571498546
Thats a broadsword, he also seemingly used longbows.
Imagine a german getting shot by a bow, just standing there, wondering what the fuck just happened

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>>571503268
>industrialized russia, and did it just in time to be the main power to defeat germany
>after 70% of Russias industry had been destroyed in the war he was able to bring russia to a superpower status in under ten years
>put the first man in space
>commissioned the worlds largest bomb Tsar bomba 100 megatons
>came from extreme poverty

>>571493198
Despite getting defeated and getting exiled, this guy came back for round two!

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Roman von Ungern-Sternberg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_von_Ungern-Sternberg

AND.
Charles V.
Best Habsburg imo.

>>571493198
God without a doubt the most evil fucker in history if the bible is to be believed.

>>571509961
were all gonna make it

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>>571500910
>>571500265
>>571500412
Actually, there's no historical writing of Jesus until nearly 100 years after his death. It's becoming more accepted that he never existed at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

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>>571493198

Alexander by far. Most of the guys mentioned in this thread wished they were like him. Dude had Aristoteles as teacher after all.

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Ok, fuck off now, make the way for lesser known badasses

Prince Joseph Poniatowski
>mad parties all day erry day
>standing naked at a military parade
>riding a horse naked through the streets of Warsaw with policemen trying to catch him (he made a bet)
>he didn't really make it to that one battlefield one time because he made love to a lucky woman
but also
>fucked Russians in battle and made them gtfo
>when Austrian troops were advancing with intention of taking Warsaw (battle of Raszyn) and the battle didn't go well, he stepped down from his horse, picked up a rifle, ordered his men to put on the bayonets and literally led them in assault
>with 12 thousand troops he made 38 thousand Austrians gtfo

then Napoleon used Poland and everyone fucked them over and everyone died of AIDS

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>>571511264
>after 70% of Russias industry had been destroyed in the war he was able to bring russia to a superpower status in under ten years
>he was able to bring russia to a superpower status
>russia
>superpower
>mfw

>>571497208

>>571511560
Don't relying on a single source, dickbag.
There are many writings, that of Roman Scholars during his time. Even Pontius Pilate himself.

>>571510984
Your point is worthless in regard to proving whether Socrates existed or not. 2 men of roughly similar lifespans and birth dates both choose to write about the same teacher. They were both his contemporaries and direct eye-witnesses. The fact that they didn't write about him until after his death has absolutely no bearing on the validity of his existence; even if it may have bearing on the truth of the ideas they spout.

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Semper Mattis

>>571511754
Please please please reference one. It's a simple action, and will blow away all our arguments... 4wU will surely deliver

>>571511264
you know why Russia made the Tsar Bomba? Because it was shit. They were so bad at dropping bombs that to compete with the US (who could accurately target a billfold from across the pacific), they made a bomb so big that it didn't matter where they dropped it, something would happen.
tl;dr - Russia had to make a 100 Megaton bomb because they COULDNT FUCKING DROP SHIT OUT OF A PLANE

>>571493198
Pol Pot

>>571511718
the glorious socialism of the 60s is long gone m8

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>>571493198
>pic fucking related

>>571512091
Josephus you fucking schlong.

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>>571493198
Don't let the dainty pic fool you.

That's Basil II, also known as "Basil the Bulgar-Blinder" or "Basil the Bulgar-Slayer".

He really, really hated the fuck out of Bulgarians. Thats not cool. Hating a whole people like that.

But holy shit did he hate the fuck out of those guys. And when a Byzantine emperor hates, he hates with mighty power.

But read up on him. Worth your five minutes.

>>571512337
There was no glory, only broken glass and broken people, starving so Stalin could make a bomb.

>>571512378
As already discussed, proven to be adulterated at a later date, original text has no mention. Try harder

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>>571497216
Khalifa, I know thats you. And I know that you want to appear big and strong through your horrible divorce, but just man up and face the facts sober and with open arms. The future comes whether you like it or not.

What about that guy that single handedly freed an entire town of prisoners during WW I, was captured twice and escaped twice, got shot multiple times and told his friends to leave him behind, came back weeks later with an empty handgun and a knive.

During WW II he led numerous operations, captured multiple German officers, had a sniper kill count of over 550 confirmed kills, some of them over lengths of 1000 meters. Got sent special track teams on his ass because he was so much of a threat, Germans were told to evacuate if he was on the way
Got the medal of honor.

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>>571511694

If Napoleon had sharp shod his horses for icey roads like Poniatowski had suggested he wouldn't have been quite so fucked in 1812 too

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Augustus gets and deserved mad respect but we cannot forget about his man man:

Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa. Augustus was the weakling price. Agrippa was his enforcer.

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>>571493198

>>571512723
Don't remember his name

>>571497890
Raping and murdering young boys is badass?

Suuuure. That's right up there with taking on half of Europe. Suuuuuure.

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The Way of the Samurai is found in death. When it comes to either/or, there is only the quick choice of death. It is not particularly difficult. Be determined and advance. To say that dying without reaching one's aim is to die a dog's death is the frivolous way of sophisticates. When pressed with the choice of life or death, it is not necessary to gain one's aim.
We all want to live. And in large part we make our logic according to what we like. But not having attained our aim and continuing to live is cowardice. This is a thin dangerous line. To die without gaining one's aim is a dog's death and fanaticism. But there is no shame in this. This is the substance of the Way of the Samurai. If by setting one's heart right every morning and evening, one is able to live as though his body were already dead, he gains freedom in the Way. His whole life will be without blame, and he will succeed in his calling. -Yamamoto Tsunetomo

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>>571508102
Prussians were just straight-up top to bottom badasses. Frederick the Great, his dad, the first Kaiser, von Manstein, von Moltke, Clausewitz.

Everyone should want to be like a Prussian.

>>571499024
Nice story.
But back in reality he just liked to rape and murder young boys.

>>571511863
then why did no one else write about Socrates at all, even when being put to death in Athens was an exceedingly rare occurrence- and by the accounts of his followers he was greatly hated for "poisoning the minds of the youth." No such person was recorded as such, and we know full well that the Athenians kept accurate records of these kinds of events. Yet none exist for Socrates.

>>571512490
they look pretty ok, fine to me

>>571513004
Miyamoto Musashi was most badass samurai

>>571513093

Got humiliated by Napoleon tho

>>571513190
sorry, none exists for Socrates save the writings of two of his "students" who published at the very least only 15 years after his death.

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>>571500412
Consensus only in american schools and religious houses.
The dude never existed. Pure myth.

Like Gaius Julius Cæsar (I). <-- no jk

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Gaius Marius, responsible for the creation of the worlds first standing army and his pension after years of service concept is still used today along with logistical structure and leadership structure. The man is the grandfather of modern warfare, and the reason why Rome was great.

>>571502278
Muhammad, much like Jesus, probably didn't exist. Just a hero-god-king myth Abu Bakr could use to rally his people with.

>>571500194
>>571501492
> ctrl + f Andrew Jackson
> found
> fuck yeh

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>>571513389
They lost to Napoleon initially, yes, but then they kicked his ass. Ever wonder how Prussia had all that territory in the West of Germany? That's what they were given for giving Napoleon a savage ass kicking in round 2.

>>571513876
Muhammad is the most plausible of all prophets to have existed. If he didn't exist, who kicked the pagans out of Mecca?

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I ain't saying hes THE biggest badass, but still... I read about him here
badassoftheweek dot c om krum
nigga decapitated a byzantine emperor and made byzantine diplomats drink from his skull.
Unbeatable in single combat, was named the Horrible, kicked another byzantine emperors ass so hard he became a monk, pretty cool guy. Also fucked alot of women.

>>571513414
Uhh, not true. Aristophanes includes him in one of his plays, making fun of him in fact. You can google I don't remember the name of the play.

>>571496396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUyDcGSMPEQ

>>571506942
Had he not died first, Patton would have almost surely been convicted of insubordination for disobeying direct orders. His "legend" was mostly bullshit from a very distorted and historically inaccurate film. He caused the Battle of the Bulge which extended the war by six months, killed thousands of Allies and allowed the Soviets to take Berlin. What a hero.

>>571497528
>>571506904
>>571509730
>>571512383
Yeah ma niggahs, good to see the Greeks representing!

>>571514584
The Clouds

>>571514321
>yeh
Which pagans?
Both Abu Bakr and (the fabled) Muhammad came from the Quraysh-tribe that had ruled Mecca for centuries before the advent of Islam.
Abu Bakr could have simply used a more contemporary story to get the people to rally more easily in order to strike at the weakened Sassanide and Byzantine empires that had been rolling around the city's countryside.

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>>571513354
Yamamoto wrote the book buddy. You could say anything about Miyamatos circumstances he was thrust into but Yamamoto was a better samurai.

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>not one mention of Guderian

This fucker literally changed the way warfare is fought single-handedly.

Plus he was one of the only German generals to have the balls to challenge Hitler's ideas.

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>>571498125
This is bat country!

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>>571513919

They did but they also had 4 other Empires on their side in Coalition 6 and 7. Napoleon conquered Prussia in only 19 days. Prussia was on the winning side but it could have been very different if Grouchy didn't screw up.

>>571515093
>literally changed the way warfare is fought single-handedly.
How?

>>571514649
Isn't the character included just a mockery of Socratic ideas? It's not as though those ideas weren't around at the time.

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Carolus Rex of Sweden->build the greatest swedish empire on the foundation laid by Gustav Adolf, nearly got to moskau, always fought in the front lines,
--> Only one of his over-badass stories:
when in exile in the osmanic empire the sultan wanted him to be arrested and he defended his residence with seventy swedish soldiers against 8000! osman soldiers. when they had no ammo left he ordered a charge and ran out first. The charge only ended because his ear was shot of. died some years later in a siege when he was shooting down from the castle.

Michael Wittmann, greatest german tankdriver in WWII. Just kicked as in his Tiger tank.
Once attacked 27 british elite tanks completely alone and made them flee. died in 1944 when charging deep into the enemy line. his bournt out tank was found within a circle of burned out antitanks, tanks and dead soldiers.

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>>571495691

GOAT

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/thread

>>571515373
Yes a mockery of Socratic ideas, as presented by the man himself. Aristophanes' parody is mentioned in the Apology.

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Dont want to burst your bubble :http://www.badassoftheweek.com/savic.html

Eliot Ness for saving Chicago from the scourge of illegal liquor.
Now there's a historical character whose denial I won't protest.
90% said about him is complete bullshit but I like him anyway.

>>571500114
>>571510691

youre both fucking stupid

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>>571515370
He essentially created the idea of Blitzkrieg and was the first person to see the potential in tanks.

>>571515373
Aristophanes was pretty well known for using real Athenian citizens as characters in his plays. It would be out of character for him to use Socrates if he wasn't a real person. Also, Socrates never did anything supernatural. There is zero reason to need him to be a myth.

>>571515854
Ah cool, i did not know that

>>571515619
I know, but then again it was common at the time to personify a set of ideals as those ideals' "perfect person." I was under the impression that that's what those instances were. Plato blames Aristophenes for slandering Socrates name, therefore getting him killed.

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>>571498149
He worked with Joan of Arc and was a serial killer/ pedo who bathed in the blood of young buys he killed.

>>571493962
Actually Israel was his idea

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

>>571516075
Are you implying real-life Socrates wasn't the personification of Socratic ideals? Also there weren't really ideas like his floating around in the culture. He changed philosophy permanently. There's a reason all philosophy before him is called "Pre-Socratic"

>>571493198

This guy invented the modern holocaust!

>>571515373
People take what's in that film to be actual fact but it's not even close. The truth is that the Allied High Command covered up how incompetent they knew he was for propaganda purposes. When he began to believe his own hype and disobeyed orders they sent him to Italy with the excuse that he slapped a soldier. It then left to Omar Bradly to clean up his mess and Germans took full advantage. There was going to be an accounting for that, but he was killed by a traffic accident first.

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>>571516356

Forgot Pic

>>571516229
None of those thing are particularly bad ass, man. I could start sticking up for women and poor people while simultaneously raping/murdering infants today and no one would call it bad ass

>>571505027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlTukY9fV9Y

Daniel Inouye. Motherfucker got his arm ripped off with grenade in hand, then got up and grabbed the grenade, blew up a bunker and killed everyone with 1 handed SMG fire.

>>571515998
zero reason for him to be a myth other than the potential for martyrdom. Easiest way to get people to love a made up character is to kill him off for standing up for his ideas. Arisophenes seems like pretty damn contemporary evidence to me, though. I'm genuinely happy that Socrates seems to have better evidence for his historicity than Jesus, lol.

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"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."

>>571495882
>Napoleon, man who literally served the kikes and tore the holy monarchies of Europe apart giving us the shithole we have now
>favorite

PLEASE FUCKING KILL YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY DAMN

>>571516617
>I'm genuinely happy that Socrates seems to have better evidence for his historicity than Jesus, lol
Thank you for revealing the source of your confirmation bias sir.

Would definitely go with Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan

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Adrian Carton de Wiart is the most badass person, mad jack is up there but Adrian takes the cake.
pic related
Wiki related : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart

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>>571493198
Andrew Jackson was a white supremacist and I despise that, but I admire his stance against central gov't. If I remember correctly, he was the only American president other than Lincoln to do so.

>>571498460
>loltestantism
>based

die pls

>>571517010
"All in all, I enjoyed the war"
Love it

>>571516595
AND survived, you forgot that part. He was alive untill 2012.

>>571517020
*central banking

>>571515470
Karl XII was shot by a norwegian while laying siege to one of their forts. Also he was the first one to say the whole ''Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes'' thing.

>>571517532
Jefferson opposed the Bank of the United States

>>571513190
Most of the important Ancient Greek texts and criticisms were kept in Alexandria, for obvious reasons. When the empire collapsed, the Byzantine empire burned the library to the ground.

>>571511560
>I trust Jewish people about the existence of Jesus

How fucking retarded can you be

>>571515151
2nd it

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Hannibal excelled as a tactician. No battle in history is a finer sample of tactics than Cannae. But he was yet greater in logistics and strategy. No captain ever marched to and fro among so many armies of troops superior to his own numbers and material as fearlessly and skillfully as he. No man ever held his own so long or so ably against such odds

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This fucker rekt contemporary epistemology and metaphysics, only he never left his fuckin town. In his whole life. The most sheltered badass in the world.

>>571517020
>despising white supremacy

Self-hating whites never cease to make me laugh.

>>571516979
...What confirmation bias? I just agreed with the dude who I originally disagreed with because he presented very sound evidence, what confirmation bias is that?

>>571493198
His armies were found dead minutes from where I lived in Lithuania. The cold got em.


Also Rommel for my nominee.

"in the absence of orders go find something and kill it"

>>571494971
winrar right here

conquered more of the world than anyone else in history. so fucking much they divided his empire into four empires, each the size of a decent empire.

facilitate trade like a motherfucker after he killed everyone, making roads safer than ever before

there is a birth mark called the "blue spot " which something like 1 in every 10 asians have that signifies ghengis khan was your ancestor

fucking monster

>>571517706
I'm talking about eradicating it after it was already established

>>571518224
You get personal gratification from believing Jesus didn't exist, therefore you latch onto a tiny number of crackpot pseudo-scholars who support that belief when the overwhelming majority of everyone else who's studied the issue, Christian or not accepts his existence.

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>Francisco de Miranda
Fought in Prussia, Turkey, France, United States, Latin America, Russia

And is the only man born in the America's with his name written in the Triumph Arc in France

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Thomas Midgley
Inventor of the lead-additive for gasoline AND chlorofluorocarbon / CFC
he is the ONE organism that caused the MOST harm to earth

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>>571493198
I want the whole world to know that ISIS has nothing to do with Muslims or Arabs. I want the world to know that ISIS is nothing but a westernized fabrications to make people in the Middle East look bad. The concept of a terrorist was born in Europe and America, when white people slaughtered Natives and Black people for centuries but the media doesn't talk about that much, they want you support so they plan an ignorant organization in the most chaotic land to have an excuse to send their troops back there. //\\ #LetItBeKnown

>>571499586
>>571509105
based teddy, have a quote

“I like to have the man who as a citizen feels, when a wrong is done to the community by any one, when there is an exhibition of corruption or betrayal of trust, or demagogy or violence, or brutality, not that he is shocked and horrified and would like to go home; but I want to have him feel the determination to put the wrong-doer down, to make the man who does wrong aware that the decent man is not only his superior in decency, but his superior in strength.” -TR

>>571513414
I see your point.
But the evidence we have for the existence of Socrates comes from more than the writings put forward by his "students". In fact, those writings probably do more for the appraisal of his character and, to a certain degree, his ideology, even though they cannot account for these beyond any doubt.
There were writings about him by contemporaries and many people who knew him personally, though we only know of these through other texts that reference those texts that have since been lost.
In any case, historical exactitude was not of their utmost concern; at least, not to the exactitude we have come to expect today.

>>571518331
> the blue spot

Actually, this has nothing to do with being his descendant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_spot

>>571502673
>It may be proper to compare me with Nelson, but not with Korea’s Yi Sun-sin, for he has no equal.

>>571518540
I don't know what you have studied, but most of the resources for New Testament studies are horrible. I mean there is probably have been more studies done to find out if Moses existed compared to Jesus. Then again, I never majored in it or anything, perhaps there are a few scholars who are producing good New Testament research.

>>571518224
Otherwise I applaud you admitting defeat in regards to Socrates. A thousand years from now people like you will be denying the existence of World War II because Churchill didn't publish his memoirs until after the fact.

>>571518768
my cousin is a redditer and hates this guy