>yfw it's another RAW when Roman stands tall and looks strong after the main event
Vince continuing to keep Reigns as champion instead of just stripping him and firing him for punching him.
There was a reason with Austin, he was the cashcow and Vince had to try and control him instead of just firing him, but Reigns isn't that, so why does he keep being given title shots instead of just being fired?
Thanks for msking me feel old, anon
>tfw 23 is too old to be browsing le 4chainz
>can't do shit for dick with a microphone
>has less moves than smarks claim John Cena has
>only able to get over when there's literally no star power around and Vince himself comes back on TV
>people believe he can carry the company for the next decade
>tfw the night is stretching out before me and I am dreading another night where the /asp/ raw thread is bombarded by
>#bring back hulk hogan
>and the mods don't do anything despite reporting the posts everytime I see one through the entire night
I feel like the protagonist of a lovecraft novel
>Roman sucks and has 3 moves maymay
Do smarks never tire?
That move was added not long ago
besides he only has
>retarded fist cocking and hitting the mat
Don't forget the wink
>inb4 he attempts to use it as his variant of the peoples eyebrow
>Punk wants to do MMA but has been "training" for over a year while he hasn't been sidelined with "injuries"
>Ryback wanted to do MMA and had an MMA fight and won
>Punk wants to act but quit when a proposed WWE Studio production fell through
>Ryback wanted to act so did a shit indy flick then moved on to a Marvel Studios blockbuster and then Jame Bond
>Punk wanted to be in a Wrestlemania main event but quit when he star started to fall, he also failed to ever have a great/memorable WM match
>Ryback wrestled in the main event of Wrestlemania and stole the show half way down the card
>Punk wanted to be THE guy
>Ryback was THE guy
>Transport 2015 wootist smarks to 2002
>2015 wootist smarks who watch NJPW says he's a roid monkey and shouldn't be beating The Rock clean because he hasn't paid his dues in outraw peruwresringu wrestling in front of 20 people.
>Actively campaigns for Lance Storm to be the new face of the company
>Actively hates on anything Brock does because he looks better than they ever will and accomplished more.
Why did you just change Batista into Ryback when it makes absolutely no sense
Actually they loved Brock in 2002. Go back and watch Summerslam 2002, the Rock is booed and Lesnar cheered.
If you're attempting to claim Brock = Roman then
I'm not smart enough to be a nerd and live in Pittsburgh
You're saying that if Brock debuted today and got the huge protection he had going over established guys clean you'd all cheer him on?
Nah you're retarded. Reigns was in a stable for 2 years before becoming champ, Brock became champ in 4 months and was an even worse wrestler with how much he used to botch. Fans from back then gave him a chance. The stupid fans of today are stubborn and idiotic and think that *only* the guys they like deserve to be pushed.
That's what's led to the last 2 rumbles being such disasters.
Are you underage? Of course he's not Brock but the driving reason most smarks hate him is "HES GETTING SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS" while Brock got an even more forceful push than literally anyone else ever got in this entire industry. WWE champ within 4 months of his debut while he was still green and dropping people on their heads during matches. Going over Taker clean at Hell in a cell.
Maybe this all makes no sense to you cause you weren't born at the time.
>Fans want to control the show they watch
Literally a tumblr shipper with pink hair tier.
>these are the same fags that say cena only has 5 moves but mark out for bryan and his million kicks and armbars
Bryan has a bigger moveset than Reigns and Cena combined
>it's the fans' fault the last 2 rumbles were shit
Sure, its our fault. Has absolutely nothing to do with them veritable jobber parades. Or nothing to do with the fact that both winners would have lead to garbage main events.
>tfw he could do a moonsault back in the day
>nobody ever caught it on tape
Yeah but even if they don't have charisma they have talent.
Reigns has neither. If he had either talent or charisma then smarks could get behind him. But he's just such a green guy in the ring and dull on the mic.
>A main event star with half the moves as Cena
I don't cheer on KO at all as I don't really like him (though I have to say he's a top lad) because I don't like watching fat asses in the ring
And yeah Brock was way more powerful around 2003 than Reigns is now
Brock had it.
When I first saw Brock you just knew he was the next big thing.
He had his hecklers though, he even got goldberg chants.
I like ramen though, but you can't compare them.
Brock is a physical specimen and that came across in the ring when you watched him.
Roman is nowhere near even 2002 brocks level.
>uhhhhh only NERDS like flips!!! that'll show em...
That list is dumb.
Other than the fact that in wwe, guys are restricted to around 12 different moves max in a match, they put general shit like belly to bellys that everyone including cena does but only on bryans list.
Brock had incredible physical intensity and ability when he debuted, way beyond the rest of the roster, and a brilliant manager from the get go. Even then he had his detractors at first, but he was special the moment he appeared. By Summerslam he was cheered over the Rock, in New York.
Roman is not special. He's not even very good after three years on the main roster. If he was less rubbish he wouldn't have had this backlash.
You want to keep trying to blame everything and everyone but Roman, but he's the problem. He's just no good. He has a look, and nothing behind it.
Yeah my bad didn't see that.
My point still stands though that in a wwe match, bryan does not perform more than 12 - 15 moves max, usually less than that.
It's simply WWEs style to keep the amount of moves a superstar does small, probably for 2 reasons.
1. so every match features different moves and they dont all look like the same match (like your typical outlel match)
2. safety, less moves they do, the better they're at performing them, the less chance of injuries
Yet still we get too many superkicks and germans in my opinion, probably to appease smarks.
I'm sure you all marvel at how much of a physical specimen Braun Strowman is.
>By Summerslam he was cheered over the Rock, in New York.
Yes cause fans back then weren't retarded and didn't try to actively sabotage by printing out signs or starting meme chants like "WE ARE AWESOME"
My point is that if Brock debuted today and got the push he got, you'd all hate his guts. There were kiddies who even got upset that he broke the streak. You don't even like Ryback.
Says the guy who can't even lay down what he is supposed to arguing.
>nerds don't like Reigns because he doesn't do flips!
>Rey Mysterio is one of the top stars among kids WWE have ever had, flips are hardly "only for nerds"
>Well Mysterio got on roids to get more muscular in WWE!
Can you see the disconnect?
Dbry has room for variety during each match, it's not often that he performs the exact same moves as he did in the previous match he had. That's why Cena and Roman get heat you know exactly what's coming up
>I'm sure you all marvel at how much of a physical specimen Braun Strowman is.
But he really isn't. He's just a big boring guy with no ability, and he's not big enough compared to Harper to stand out on that alone.
No, I'm pretty sure its because he's shit you god damn autist.
I've seen NXT divas with a bigger moveset than him.
And his promos aren't just bad, they're "The crowd is chanting CM Punk" bad. Everytime he has to hold a mic, he spews spaghetti everywhere.
He's only getting pushed because muh looks and muh nepotism.
True, at least cena has been trying the past few years though.
I'm pretty sure WWE would rather he just stick to a few safe moves since he's the franchise.
Roman has to step it up though, put him in more no dq matches until then to make up for it.
>this autistic argument
At least we can all agree that Nakamura is better than both Brock and Roman, right?
Since the first neck injury, yeah.
If Bryan were to return, don't expect him to throw many more moves than cena does.
He will probably just do his sigs and a meme submission here and there.
>what the fuck does Ryback have to do with any of that
The fact that Ryback debuted as a monster who kept crushing jobbers and now you all hate him, and if Brock debuted today he'd literally be Ryback 2.0 cause smarks would boo the shit out of him, even worse if he debuted without Heyman and he was told to cut a 10 minute promo at the beginning of RAW.
Kevin Owens isn't a monster heel on RAW, so this is a moot point.
Once again, we are not talking about Kevin Owens, we are talking about Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar. Bringing up Owens does not make Reigns any better in relation to 2002 Brock, it just makes it look like you're dodging the facts.
>seriously comparing Ryback to Brock
nigga can't even lift people up for his shellshock, give me a break
>The fact that Ryback debuted as a monster who kept crushing jobbers and now you all hate him
Because Ryback is not Brock, and he is not Goldberg, and he never will be.
Jinder Mahal got a "foreign heel with the camel clutch" gimmick too, does that mean he was the equal of Rusev doing the same thing?
No, because Rusev is way better than fuckin Jinder Mahal
>we are talking about Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar
Yes and I'm saying if Brock debuted today and became champ in 4 months, the internet smarks of today would boo the shit out of him.
Lucky for Brock he debuted at a time when the roster was stacked full of great wrestlers like Eddie and Kurt, and he got someone to speak for him. Reigns has had to work with beyond past it Big Show and he even got out a decent match out of him.
The only wrestlers that smarks approve of today are the ones who have been toiling around in the indies for at least 10 years because they've gotten some kind of attachment to them.
Dean Ambrose hasn't had a good match in months, in fact the only good matches he's had have been with Rollins, *constantly* botches week in and week out, and he doesn't get nearly half the hate that Roman gets. And smarks will let him off the hook cause "yo bro you see that moxley promo on youtube pham?"
>w-w-why are you talking about Dean Ambrose
It's an example to prove my point. You know what those are right? You're going to shift the post and talk about believability when in essence no one could believably beat Brock unless they were a trained MMA fighter.
>in b4 a meme reply cause you have nothing to say other than shitpost
>People comparing Brock to Roman on a serious level
What happened /wwe/?
>>Yes and I'm saying if Brock debuted today and became champ in 4 months, the internet smarks of today would boo the shit out of him.
That would depend entirely on how he was presented, how he performed, and who he was performing against.
You can't just blanket hypothetical and expect them to be taken seriously.
Dean Ambrose doesn't get hate because he's a directionless midcarder, not the guy rammed down everyone's throats as the FOTC. I don't criticize his promos because he doesn't get promos. I've seen promos of his previously that indicate he can do great ones, but again, he doesn't get promos.
>The only wrestlers that smarks approve of today are the ones who have been toiling around in the indies for at least 10 years because they've gotten some kind of attachment to them.
>Lucky for Brock he debuted at a time when the roster was stacked full of great wrestlers like Eddie and Kurt, and he got someone to speak for him
Brock IS a great wrestler you tard. That was most of his appeal, he could do it all, other than talk, and then, he had Heyman for that.
Actually newfriend this general had one of if not the highest average ages on spee and pretty sure it still has on the monster-chugging lolweedplank and nerf gun board
The vast majority of /wwe/ was mid to late twenties and early 30s the last time we had a census
>Brock IS a great wrestler you tard.
He *wasn't* a great wrestler when he debuted. Far from it, and you cannot convince me that you were alive at that time if you'd classify 2002-2003 Brock as a "great wrestler." He did power moves and half the time he'd do them wrong.
>He could do it all
My sides! If he wasn't wrestling Eddie or Kurt, the match ranged from mediocre to a disaster.
>If Brock went through NXT, we'd cheer him over Finn Balor
The lies smarks tell themselves.
> cheering Finn Baloring
Fuck off back to /wew/
Why is everything "over" others? Crowds can and do cheer more than one person you know.
If you actually think 2002 Brock dropped in NXT with Paul Heyman wouldn't be absolutely beloved, you're retarded.
Not in NXT, he doesn't, because Brock would stand out on his own there. I'm including Heyman because you seem determined to believe that 2002 Brock transplanted to 2016 wouldn't be popular.
> no more flag bants
Just think /wwe/
You could be unironically wasting your time trying to have a discussion and wasting serious thought-out replies on an americunt without even knowing it
>2002 Brock transplanted to 2016 wouldn't be popular.
He'd be popular with marks but not smarks. Who do smarks like that isn't a former indie darling? WWE can't produce talent anymore who will get their own traction without some smark out there criticizing him.
>Brock debuts without Paul
>Green in the ring (Broke Hardcore Holly's neck during a match)
>Can't talk, let alone cut a 15 min promo
>Has to work with Ryback, past it Big Show, and Miz (who can talk but not wrestle to save his life)
>Title picture within months of debuting
>We'd totally cheer him on!
Brock would quit in under a year and we'd never hear from him again if we were to judge him from his first year alone with today's idiotic fans.
And for those of you who didn't get past 5th grade reading, I'm not comparing Roman to Brock, I'm comparing the circumstances they both had to deal with and how Reigns only became champ 3 years after his debut and Brock became champ within 4 months. Fans from 2002 cheered Brock on, a totally new guy over an established veteran, while fans in 2016 only want their chosen few to succeed.
No one is yet to disprove all these things other than to meme reply and misrepresent what I'm saying with "lmao romark comparing roman to bork" when there's not a human being alive that can be likened to Brock.
Staying up till 4 to catch raw tonight nigel?
Get a job you fucking neet loser.
>>keeps going on about how Brock was no good
I love Brock, he's in my top 10 of all time, but he wasn't good in 2002. You're an idiot, and possibly underage if you think he was. Tell mommy to buy you the wwe network and go see his matches from then.
I like how you haven't addressed any of the names given yet, just tried to pretend they don't count.
If anything that they are cheering a female kiddy character is blowing your "dey only liek flippy indie darlings" argument out even further.
Go read a book, specifically his
And even if he did get sandbagged, which he didnt, you still dont throw another human being and work colleague right onto their fucking neck
>I like how you haven't addressed any of the names given yet
Can't wrestle. He's Scotty 2 Hotty 2.0 who can talk.
Has Olympic wrestling experience, expected to be good unlike Swagger
He did wrestle in the indies, albeit more obscure ones while training with Rikishi
So yeah that's your list. Three people out of 100+. Barely even 1% of the current roster.
> dolph is a good seller
Underager fuck off back to wew
Shit b8 or dumb as fuck, either way i dont want to hear from you ever again
I can see how 3 sentences can seem like a lot with someone with such shit reading comprehension. I guess one line shitposting with reaction images is more up your alley.
PS: I'm sorry I had to make you read all this. Your brain must be hurting.
>Can't wrestle. He's Scotty 2 Hotty 2.0 who can talk.
You're completely swerving the point, you asked which wrestlers do smarks like, not which have the most talent
and Rusev wasn't an indie darling because he wasn't there long enough to be a favorite back then. I don't think you understand what the term means.
Ziggler is a fucking retard.
He literally sabotaged his own career by overselling.
By overselling, he makes his opponents look like the hulk in the ring.
So what do the higher ups think when they see this?
>Hey look at this ziggler guy, he made x look fantastic in that superstars match, lets job him out against y so y looks good going into his title match on sunday.
Dumb as fuck
>If anything that they are cheering a female kiddy character
The point was, getting cheered in NXT means nothing my wootist friend.
Only reason he isn't pushed is because he's "injury prone", he's one of the most talented and charismatic people on the roster, fucking dare you to saw reigns is better than ziggler sempai
You asked for names of people smarks like who weren't indie darlings. You get them, then complain that one is female, and then complain that the others aren't good, or something.
What is even your argument anymore? I think it was originally claiming that "smarks automatically hate anyone who isn't a flippy small indie darling", so going from that I think it's been thoroughly debunked.
reigns is better than ziggler
What you going to do you fucking pencil neck geek?
And your examples were Neville and Breeze.
Neville was never that over in NXT compared to Zayn or Owens or Bálor, and was quickly jobbed into nothing. Breeze was DOA with that nothing debut and losing his first match on the main roster.
Kevin Owens debuted on the main roster and was immediately over.
Sheamus is better than Ziggler. Ziggler has been on a downward spiral to irrelevance since survivor series 2014. Now he doesn't even really have a gimmick apart from looking like an 80's cracked out homo.
>complain that one is female
I didn't complain, I just found it funny. Calm down
>complain that the others aren't good
Again, where the fuck did I say that they weren't good you cuck?
And no, my initial argument was that fans of today are the dumbest they've ever been (granted that some people actually called NYPD from the Vince angle last week). The marks are dumber and so are the smarks.
That's my argument.
>implying anyone actually likes reigns off of the internet
Pushes more merch than your favorite manlet wrestler
You asked for someone who smarks love that isn't an indie darling. Enzo Amore was named. You said "Well he's not a good wrestler".
What's that got to do with anything?
If anything that's worse for your argument, because smarks love a guy who is a bad wrestler, because he's got charisma. The opposite of your "they only like flippy indie darlings" claim.
>People should stop discussing the current WWE champ cause it hurts my feewings
Current Sheamus isn't even the best in the shitty league of nations
>worse than alberto del mexicano
>worse than bad banter barrett
>worse than bulgarian/romanian who gives a shit
sheamus a shit senpai, barretts banter with rooney is more relevant than all of sheamuses career desu
>Reigns thread consists of utter shit much like his title reign
>Muh passion, dedication and hard work promo
>Throw smark terms around for that e cred
>Yelling because I AM REALLY SERIOUS RIGHT NOW
>"I have this thing known as the IT factor"