>>1026892 >Kata (traditional forms) are just movements of the human body. They are muscle-memory building tools used to get your body coordinated and at the same time learn movements that can be applied in a combative situation. The only difference is what happens afterwards: training to apply it.
>>1026877 Jesus christ, its absolutely disgusting every time one of these videos come out. They post some things that look vaguely similar, and ignore entirely the role they have in Kata, and the differences between what they do in Kata, and what they're squinting and pretending they're doing.
At 51 seconds they try to pretend a Double outer/mountain block is a Fireman's carry. Except in the motion depicted he brings his hands up from his hips to his shoulders. How the fuck is he supposed to catch someone's legs if he never reaches for the legs.
He follows this up by doing a completely different motion, and demonstrating he still has no idea how to do a proper fireman's carry (and it's embarrassing that I of all people can spot that).
All over this video. A crescent kick to the head? That's the same thing as a leg sweep (and also a single leg, because he couldn't find a demonstration of his stupid leg sweep).
If you want to learn these techniques, learn these techniques. If you think Katas are important, actually make new Katas out of these techniques. But don't fucking pretend these are the techniques in the Katas, or that you're training the same motion at all.
>>1027316 You forgot about the part where every situation is different and you adapt as necessary. Kata is never intended to be directly repeated in the middle of a spar or fight, like a Street Fighter move, as is repeated every single time the topic comes up.
>>1026892 >>1026909 >>1027558 >dance moves >dancing >dancing like a faggot However faggoty that 'dancing' is, anyone doing it will never be as much of a faggot as you >>1027090 >>1027397 From >>996420 >>1017157 >I agree with this. This >you must spar full contact all day errday meme that is getting promoted by r/martial arts and /asp/ is a joke.
>I remember well when my boxing coach gave a big angry speech about people asking him for free sparring when they can't even keep they hands up for a full round. But they feel they need to spar more and get hit in the face more for some reason. >Sparring =/= sparring. Have fun being terrible at your basics, having shit technique and sucking at sparring >> 1027316 >Jesus christ, its absolutely disgusting every time one of these videos come out. >If you want to learn these techniques, learn these techniques. If you think Katas are important, actually make new Katas out of these techniques. But don't fucking pretend these are the techniques in the Katas, or that you're training the same motion at all. hat makes them even more retarded is that Karate already has throws >http://www.karatebyjesse.com/funakoshi-9-throws-shotokan-karate/ and Okinawan martial arts has Tuite, it's deeper grappling element. Interpreting moves like this as something they're not is asinine
>>1026877 It is the way it gets practiced a lot. I'm surprised there are no styles that have decided fuck if and make their kata like judo's, or straight up like shadowboxing, albeit a but more straightforward. Besides even if there's more to kata, the fact that so little people use it like that at all, much less well sucks.
>>1027778 This us what happens when you train martial arts and never spar. You become a cocky little bitch who has too much confidence from skipping around doing forms. Put your dance moves to the test for once.
>>1034833 I dont know what your anime lingo means, but i never said that anybody deserves to get beat. Its just not right to talk so much shit and act like your style is superior if you never spar with a resisting opponent.
>>1026877 >>1027094 i cant imagine what kind of lonely life the maker of these videos must lead. trying to find dance moves that are vaguely similar to actual fighting techniques. its like how do you become so fucking deluded
>>1035145 first movement has similar arm positions, has COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEG MOVEMENTS second matches but is not even a kata third doesnt match in any way, not the arms, legs, body or anything fourth matches in arm movements and direction, legs are again different, as is the stance itself fifth matches though its not one of the official kodokan techniques (though the thigh lift is stil lknown in judo in general) sixth the direction where he throws him changes from forward to the side when the actual technique appears
like i said, its a bunch of dance moves that kinda look similar to actual techniques. but completely ignore the most important aspects (leg positions determine weight distribution).
>>1034962 >anime lingo >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate#Practice > Its just not right to talk so much shit and act like your style is superior if you never spar with a resisting opponent. Understood this, meant to link to, >1034749 as well. What I meant was that if they if they only practice kata and neglect sparring, they only have themselves to blame when they lose
I remember being a krottyfag in the mid-90s when suddenly every strip mall sensei was "discovering" grappling techniques in every kata kata that had been taught to him as a series of punches, kicks, and blocks. Shit, I remember a seminar once on how Naihanchin/Tekki was really meant to be done on your back from the guard.
If the guys in the OP video had shown themselves doing any sparring using any of this shit they were demoing it might have had some merit. Otherwise this is just pareidolia.
>>1035172 >COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEG MOVEMENTS Instead of crossing his legs, they are lined up. If he stepped just a little deeper, it would be the exact same. >not even a kata So you know all the kata these karateka know? >third doesn't even match He doesn't raise his left leg, that's the only difference >legs and stance are different They are both right leading high-back stances with the exact same small sweep >not official kodokan They are karateka, not judoka >direction changes Both are sideways, the major difference is that the back leg in the "form" is straight while during application it's a horse stance.
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