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i need some explanation regarding bernie sanders. im from europe, a big bernie-fanboy and pretty interested in the primaries.
what i dont understand: why does a vast majority of black people vote for clinton? she's a deceiving bitch.
i cannot find a good explanation on this. the only thing i can think of is, that they're not that educated.

and side-question: why dont they blame her on her lies about her bosnian sniper story. it's absolutely disgusting.

thx
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>>16814878
No, no please don't do this here
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>>16814887
it's my first question about politics on 4chan. seems there is no appropriate channel for these questions here...
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>>16814898

>>>/pol/

tl;dr: Bernie is promising shit he can't deliver.
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>>16814903
FREE HEALTHCARE
FREE COLLEGE
FREE TACOS
WHEN DO WE WANT IT
NOW
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>>16814878

a large percentage of the voting public is very uninformed and they live in information deserts because they have poor literacy, little access to computers, and are surrounded by people just like them. clinton to them is a known quantity, they've never heard of sanders, they just remember bill and know that hillary is a democrat, for whom they will vote because they don't know any better.

that story is just the tip of the iceberg. the clintons have been very adept at evading accountability for their actions.
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>>16814914
uff... thx. as i expected.

i know, i shouldnt get angry on the internet, but it makes me so furious that those stupid ppl are so stupid, they would even vote for somebody who doesnt represent them at all.
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>>16814929
>implying Bernie actually represents the downtrodden
>he's a politician...
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>>16814940
he's by far the best you have
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>>16814952
Yeah if you have absolutely no understanding of economics he might seem that way...

He has a few good ideas but it's all ideal shit that won't actually work. Plus I already pay enough in taxes, and thanks to that "Affordable Healthcare" from Obama my insurance premiums increased.
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>>16814990
works pretty well for us here in middle europe ;P
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>>16814898
Its not you dumb fuck
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>>16814878

Basically it's because black people hate white males. They are the symbol of oppression to them. Bill Clinton was also very popular among blacks because of publicity stunts. They used to call him the first black president (even though his policies ended up hurting black people immensely). It pretty much all boils down to black people being ignorant.
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>>16815062
hahahahhahaha
>that under 25 un-emplyoment rate
>Literally more than half of you are jobless
>The other half cant pay for you any longer
>mfw the IMF and the rest of the developed world launch WWIII to kick your lazy asses and reclaim what you fuckers owe
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>>16815062
Income tax rates in most of Europe are 10-15% higher than the highest tax bracket in the United States. Among most of the countries in Europe with rates comparable to the US the quality of life, GDP, infrastructure, etc. are lower than compared to the US. The places in Europe that are comparable to the US in standard of living etc. are, like I said, 10-15% higher.

I mean fuck there's places in Europe with 50% tax rates whereas the highest in the US is 28%
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asking a political question at adv , such a European thing to do lol
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>>16815101
You are a retard.

>there simply is not enough work for humans anymore
>robots are doing all the labor without paying taxes (why would they?)
>most of the money are stored "safely" in capital sinks, completely, utterly unused. It's not that we don't have the money, it's just stuck up somewhere and cannot flow
>social security systems prevent the utterly worst - which is becoming like murica, an unfree land with people working two or more jobs just to get by

I repeat myself, you are utterly retarded, you have no knowledge about the facts nor circumstances, and you should kill yourself right now or at least educate yourself before spouting nonsense on the internet.
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>>16815114
>working two jobs
>not just having one good job

lol, these people make me laugh...
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>>16814878

Blacks love Bill Clinton, they identify with him.

Which is hilarious, given that Bill is clearly a racist Southern boy who just uses Blacks for power.
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>>16815122
Oh, I forgot - of course, there are so many well-paid jobs, while the general amount of work doable by humans is decreasing. Yeah, I completely forgot that ...

Listen, if you do have one well-paid job, you can consider yourself lucky. You don't know how long that will be the case. What we are pretty sure about is that the about of jobs will decrease even further - these are the fruits of our technological progress.

And if you were a smart person, you'd ask: "Well, since we don't have that much work to do anymore, why do we still force people to work?". We'd on our way to a semi-post-scarcity society.

,,, you know, I think you don't deserve your well-paid job, I mean, your are clearly a retard, and retards shouldn't be well-paid.
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>>16815139
They only count as 3/5 a vote anyway.
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>>16815146
that was too easy
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>>16815157
Care to bring up any arguments? Or are you going for the
>hurr durr i am retarded
excuse?
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How about you leave American politics to the Americans eh chap?
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>>16815174
>still not getting it
>the post
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>>16815194
Nope, I am not getting it. I am demanding an explanation.
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>>16815203
>demanding
>lol
>l
>o
>l
I was being flippant you dipshit or as we call it here throwing out some bait for your dumbass.

Sadly you're the only retard still left in here.
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>>16815225
I don't care; still demanding (!) an explanation.
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>>16814878
>European
>Sanders Supporter
>this much bait

Least you can't vote here

Also >>>/pol/
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>>16814878
>a big bernie-fanboy
>i dont understand

We know.
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Still demanding
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>>16815242
Muh European education
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>>16815311
>europeans demand an explanation instead of getting one themselves

its socialism genetic?
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Voting for Clinton is the only rational thing to do in this election. If Bernie wins the nomination, big IF, then I won't be bothered to vote at all.
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keep your unshaven armpits out of american politcs
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>>16815339
Said the redneck
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>>16814878
As a fellow Hispanic man I will be voting for Clinton. Everyone I know will also be voting for her as well.

Bernie will not be able to do ANY of the things he's promised so far. I'm surprised you're a sucker for all the things he's promised, to be quite honest with you familia.
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>>16815372
What makes you doubt that? So far he has provided a pretty solid plan.
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>>16815391
>So far he has provided a pretty solid plan.

No he hasn't. He's been very vague with whatever he's going to try to do AND how he's going to compromise with Republicans in Congress (good luck with that). Cutting loopholes for the wealthy and bringing jobs back to America (do you think corporations will listen to him?) can only do so much (if at all).
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>>16815333

lol

you realize Clinton is one of the most corrupt figures in American politics? She's taken kickbacks from the Middle East to approve their weapons deals, and from Russian uranium company in exchange for rights to uranium mining on US soil. And again this barely scratches the surface. She will sell the country out from under your nose just to line her pocket, all while bombing the fuck out of the third world in the name of "justice." Arguably the worst candidate we've seen in decades.
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>>16815396
>do you think corporations will listen to him?

Do they have another choice? Moving out of state is not as easy as it sounds. And even if they do - the demand does not go away, just the current providers. Other people will take action - people who will have no problems abiding the new laws.

It sounds as if you have no idea how reality works. Get outside your basement and learn into economics.
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>>16815416
>all while bombing the fuck out of the third world in the name of "justice."

No matter who gets elected this will still continue, you know that right? Or do you think this country will magically get better (both in domestic and foreign issues) with a Republican president?
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>>16815420
Yeah it's official, you don't know what you're talking about.

Go ahead and waste your vote on Sanders, just don't cry when things are the same or worse if he gets elected.
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>>16815416
Liberals are mindless retards who are only interested in minorities and gays. They willingly overlook the stupid and pointless wars waged by the establishment as long as they say they'll bend over backwards for thuggish blacks and promise to interfere even more in our lives.
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>>16815430
Alright, gonna do that. :) Since you didn't even bother giving arguments, I have no shame doing so.
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>>16815424

Trump at least doesn't natter on about WWIII like a crazy person, and is the only candidate to have made overtures to Russia about normalizing diplomatic relations. He is the least hawkish of the Republican candidates, as strange as that might sound.

Under Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State, the Middle East and Africa have gone from stable to teetering on collapse. She's partly responsible for the migrant crisis in Europe. Someone like that would be a disaster as commander-in-chief, both domestically and abroad.
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>>16815444
>She's partly responsible for the migrant crisis in Europe.
How?
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>>16815466

Backing the Arab Spring.

Destabilization of Libya (this is the big one, for which she was directly responsible), Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon.

Gaddafi may have been a dictator but Libya was a stable country with a high HDI. It was also the major buffer state for African migrants. Now it is FUBAR.
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>>16815466
By bombing the shit out of Syria.
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>>16815391
The Republican party has the house anyway, but at least I support his ideals. It does not matter who is president if Congress is in majority of the other party
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>>16815444
>the american secretary of state is solely responsible for what happens in every other country in the world

uh.

I WILL give you that Trump has some of the most heterodox positions in the republican party, which almost makes him by default the best candidate they have, but he's also got some uniquely retarded views and is probably just in it for the personal gain/attention anyways.
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>>16815506
In that case, you should be voting for the candidate who will get out the vote the best, to try and overrun some of the purple representatives, which is Sanders since he has a lot of popular groundswell.

Man gerrymandering is almost solely responsible for the republicans maintaining control in the house, too. That shit needs to get fixed.
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>>16815522

>the american secretary of state is solely responsible for what happens in every other country in the world

She was solely responsible for military intervention in Libya, yes. Here's a pro-Hillary article that even attests to this fact:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/hillary-clinton-debate-libya/410437/

She will make every excuse in the book, but it was her decision to help Libyan rebels kill Gaddaffi.

It's also very doubtful that Arab Spring was a wholly spontaneous event. Take that as you will.

>but he's also got some uniquely retarded views and is probably just in it for the personal gain/attention anyways.

I don't agree with everything he does. No one should. But he is by far the best candidate out of all them, not just out of the Republicans. The point about his attention-seeking behavior is also a cop out.

If we're talking about personal gain, look no further than Hillary, who uses her political position as leverage for the racket that is the Clinton Foundation. Continued destabilization in the Middle East = kickbacks from Qatar, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia in exchange for defense deals.

Meanwhile, Trump says he wants America to be great. While Clinton wants to dissolve borders like Merkel and export violence across the globe.
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>>16815553
>writes that, yet has no idea how Merkel is properly pronounced
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>>16815528
at least keeping things republican keeps the country from becoming a cesspool like it is now. obama has fucked the u.s up, and bernie will only make it worst
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>>16815580
*kept
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>>16815574

I hope you think carefully about who you choose to vote for.
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>>16814878
>DUDE OCCUPY WALL STREET LMAO: The Candidate
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>>16815580
It's not like the republicans put us in an unwinnable war in which has caused us to have a huge debt. Also like those same republicans want to do it again.
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>>16815625

>The Senate voted to approve the Joint Resolution with the support of large bipartisan majorities on 11 October 2002, providing the Bush administration with a legal basis for the U.S. invasion under U.S. law.

>Hillary Clinton while serving as senator voted in favor for military action, though she now says it was a mistake. The majority of Democrats in Congress voted for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War#Preparations
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>>16815659

Also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists

>The totals in the House of Representatives were 420 ayes, 1 nay and 10 not voting. The sole nay vote was by Barbara Lee, D-CA. Lee was the only member of either house of Congress to vote against the bill.

>The totals in the Senate were: 98 Ayes, 0 Nays, 2 Present/Not Voting (Senators Larry Craig, R–ID, and Jesse Helms, R–NC).

>On 14 September 2001, Congress passed legislation titled Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists, which was signed on 18 September 2001 by President Bush. It authorized the use of U.S. Armed Forces against those responsible for the 9/11 attacks and those who harbored them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Afghanistan#Legal_basis_for_war
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>>16814878
>im from europe

Stopped reading there.
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>>16815593
I am going to vote for Sanders, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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>hurr durr muh corruption
i don't need or want a radical revolution in america

europe was built ground up as a social democracy after it was completely flattened 70 years ago

for that to happen in america it would take a violent revolution

this is why in american politics the difference between socialism and communism is minimal
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>>16815958
Lead poisoning entered a critical level for you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/sunday/america-is-flint.html

And because murica wouldn't be murica, there are still people who defend this shithole
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commies pls go
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>>16815659
>>16815688
But muh republican blaming!

They don't even have the balls to talk about Reagan.
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