What the fuck is wrong with this anime??
The High and Mighty asses of Grimdark.
Look it up.
Pls anon I googled it no results just tell me animoo name pls no bully me :'(
>It's an anime based on a LN with retarded MMORPG mechanics
How do they keep getting away with this shit
>mfw 2 episodes in and Boob Mage already got laid.
This shit hits harder than reality.
>if they lather on life or death dialogue enough it'll make any encounter seem extraordinary
Does everyone keep fucking forgetting priest it can heal major artery cuts and walk away with no issues
They just brutally murdered a self-aware, sentient creature, and later the same day the girls were literally buying pantsu and doing cute stuff with no remorse at all. The only one who was somewhat affected was the guy that took the kill.
It's astonishing how much they changed them and yet it looks better that way.
Still laughing about Renji being GARcher.
I really like it. It's really relaxing.
I don't like the fact that they rushed the beginning so much. Or rather, mixed it together.
Especially the getting out of the tower-scene.
That irritated me so much that I took a look at the LN
i-it's not like I was doing it because I liked it or anything.
Glad the getting out of the tower wasn't that fucked up in the source material. Might drop the LN though, not too sure about that yet.
Most of it so far seems to be deifying Manato.
Do they change classes later on? They seem to drop an awful lot of hints that they don't actually fit their classes.
Boob-mage fucking up her spell, Tank being too agressive and clumsy, Hunter not being good at archery.
MC as Thief seems alright, so does Curly as Dread-Knight and Manato as Priest. But the rest?
That scene was pretty fucked up. I expected them to kill the goblin and the death to be 100% meaningless besides the whole "We finally did it" moment. Seeing the goblin scream because he wanted to live and seeing the MC shake after they killed him felt pretty fucking real.
Yeah nah fuck boob girl confirmed for landwhale. Explains her boohoo i'm fat attitude.
It's implied they are inside a game or some virtual reality, the fact that the very concept of videogame was removed from their memories suggests that
>he does not like meaty girls.
So they killed a goblin just because it was a goblin? Even though it pleaded for it's life and did nothing to them, they still murdered it?
Team Scrub did nothing wrong.
Except have any clue of how to fight properly.
looking forward to more butt
so did they fuck?
> The only one who was somewhat affected was the guy that took the kill.
I'll take "What is escapism?" for 100
>They are inside a game
Are they really?
Haven't seen anything gamelike so far, like status screens/levels/mobs vanishing into thin air etc...
Looks like a regular fantasy world to me.
Is this going to become Narutaru-tier PTSD?
Ancient soldiers practiced killing animals first before killing their fellow human.
The goblin would be hard to kill since it reminds you of an ugly midget which still has a humanoid shape.
Because no edgy Gary Tsu for them to self-insert as?
Yes, Grimgar is not obviously a game. The mc is not a Mary Sue, there is little to no romance, the mc is in a party, said party sucks balls, combat has consequences since party members can die.
Gobs did nothing wrong. They were just chilling. I bet filthy humans came to this world and just randomly started attacking everything that moves.
We're never shown goblins being the aggressors except for self defense.
Yeah, that scene was bit to realistic for my tastes. I wonder if goblins are the only enemy in the world and they couldn't just go and kill some other animal monsters.
Those guys are also bit fucked up in the head never considering they are about to kill some sapient being and not having any kinds of doubts.
They havent said it yet, because ebin adaption but theres actually been a lich king - the Deathless King - who united the non-human tribes to the Undying Empire and then invaded the human lands, forcing the humans to retreat beyond the mountains.
The Deathless King died 100 years ago and the humans fought the empire back and then recovered lands beyond the mountains.
The goblins, orcs and kobolds which live near Altana have all been part of the Undying Empire are still at war with the humans.
The goblins they are killing are social poorfag rejects from the goblin society, though.
They really messed this up.
This scene actually happens later and its not about gob feelings but actually about Haru wondering why his team is so weak that they still have problems with goblins and he realizes there that its not just about weak or strong but more about what they are trying to kill actually also has a will to live while they just want some cheap loot for food and this difference of seriousness is whats making it difficult.
Later, for now they're going to mug more goblins, then some richer goblins. Once they've successfully mugged enough goblins to rouse the goblins to militarize their homes for protection, then they will go mug Kobolds to escape the increased security.
Who are you referring to?
Because Titty Mage gets some sweet debuff spells like paralyze and sleep soon and Ass Ranger gets better with the bow and some cool throwing knives and becomes a pretty good ranged damage dealer.
>Despite various reports about ORK rape gangs and video evidence I choose to be willfully ignorant and believe the ORK doctrine of WAAAARRGGHHHH (Waring to an unbeliever) over eyewitness statements, testimony, and bothersome mainstream newspapers :)
They say ignorance is bliss anon but wow you must live in ecstacy.
Does this shit work on fucking RPG mechanics too? I can't stand that stupid crap, even Overlord, which did it pretty mildly, suffered massively from it.
Nothing worse than RPG combat in anime, fuck.
Fucking goblin apologists.
Get fucked, I hope they group slaughters all the goblins within their means.
Also Yume is a cutie pie.
Manato and Shihoru make a cute couple. Top work for a top lad.
What she just used was a level 1 Magic Missile, the only spell in Grimgar that all mages can use because it has no elemental affinity.
At her current mastery it has force equivalent to a solid punch from a human.
It's literally the worst spell available.
Ass Ranger is still useless.
Her hit rate with the bow is still too low and here kukri and throwing knife focus make her neigher a good ranged fighter nor an off-tank like Haru.
Haru, Mary, Tits and Mogzu really do most stuff in a fight. Ranta and Ass are shit.
You have no heart if you didn't feel sorry for Gobs.
Depends on who you are. I know quite a few guys who've never gotten used to finishing people off once they're beaten. Still doing dumb shit like giving them smokes before they finish them to give themselves a little bit of time to steel themselves before they finish it up.
See? See everyone? This is what you get for kicking Jesus out of our schools, out of our country. This is what we have instead. Evolution. Men fucking born out of monkeys. I'm not falling for this shit, go back to r/atheism and stay there, this is a Christian board.
Alright, you caught me off guard with this one.
One and a fucking half episode to take down a single goblin with a full party, what a bunch of incompetent fucks.
If they got hungry enough, would they whore out boobmage and hunter for shekels?
Watching it purely for the visuals. That rest scene was five minutes of COMFY. tfw you will never live in a medieval village scraping out a living killing gobs in the woods.
Of what I've seen, LN art is atrocious. Great rendering but fucking knife-nose faces. Jesus christ Japan, into Loomis.
You already fucked up. You don't make fire, thats super hard and requires almost half a hour of effort in good conditions.
You maintain fire.
And somebody would be tormented to stay 1-2 hours up longer at night, to fuel the ashes and cinders.
I.E Askeladd is a name given for somebody forced to stay up longer, so wheover wakes up in the middle of the night can refuel the fire.
You learn skills by paying money to your guild to teach you the skill in question.
You basically pay money for personal combat training. There are no levels, there are no magical RPG mechanics
It's not that bad. Mainly they ate gruel and bread, bread being bought from a baker and gruel being essentially oatmeal. Plus a stewpot of whatever shit you could get, and that's basically like using a crock pot. Just set it over the fire and toss stuff in.
Apparently it doesn't get that shitty if you have a good diet and use a squat toilet rather than western throne style.
Everything but the hay looks comfy. Fuck picking hay out of my hair, and imagine fucking on that.
The skills are the mechanics. Like Ranta has the [Leap] skill or something which is a backwards jump. He then uses it as an ass attack later backwards jumping towards a kobold and ass attacking him.
If it were straight up combat training these kind of gimmicks wouldnt be necessary.
I like that the fighting was realistic. It felt like a bunch of ordinary/inexperienced people trying to kill someone struggling, as they should.
This series at least has the atmosphere down for another stuck-in-an-MMO show. No special snowflakes helps as well. The balanced amount of males and females with no harem elements means we can have normal character relationships.
they did consider it though, with the whole "it wants to live too" line and how fucked up they were afterwards with the MC shaking and dropping his dagger.
kids will have ptsd by the end of the season.
I made stew in the middle of a forest while camping using exactly zero prepared ingredients. All the plants, water and meat was collected in the wild. I started the fire using no tools.
It was pretty delicious but gritty, I think there was some dirt in there.
Why not stab some guy in back alley instead and mug him? Should be easier, loot would be better too.
You could even justify it that those fuckers kidnapped you, wiped your memory and forced to kill other sapient beings.
The opposite actually. They all become indifferent towards killing. Haru tries to remain respectful of the dead.
Ranta goes on and becomes a super savage going
>YEEESHHHH VICEEEE MORE VICE MORE SACRIFICE FOR SKULLHEIL AND LORD RANTA MORE VICE MORE VICE
Nice. I don't bother bringing heavy ass cooking equipment camping. Also live in a faggy state; no wilderness around to collect noms. Or at least you aren't supposed to. What kind of meat did you get, anon? Squirrel?
>living off prepackaged food because "cooking is for girls"
Insecure skellington detected, I bet your macros are solid carbs.
I want to date Yume!
Now that you mention it, that bothered me when I saw it. I'm like why the fuck is he spinning up a new fire from kindling IN TOWN?
Clearly it was done to show the audience HEY LOOK THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE FIRE! SCIENCE!
No it was some kind of bird, I built some makeshift bird traps (my grandfather taught me how to make them) because hunting with firearms or even bows is illegal where I live. Anything you catch has to be with either a trap or your bare hands (though, technically speaking I don't think any kind of trapping is allowed here either but what the government doesn't know won't hurt them).
I would be tempted to go full-Haku and come up with some sort of wooden clockwork shit to automatically dump logs onto the fire once per hour. Smart-lazy is superior.
Is it Alterna and not Ortana? It would make more sense if it's Alterna, as in alternate.
Fuck guys, it's too soon. I didn't want this to happen
Props to him for choosing best class, though
No you wouldnt. You probably would tell other people about your idea but then your memories of engineering would fade away and you would sit in front of the fire and think
>fuck what the hell did I want to make?
realizing that you dont even remember what a "clockwork" is supposed to be.
"“Best of luck,” Bri said with an exaggerated shrug. “Other available jobs are way more difficult than volunteer soldier. Even if someone were to hire you, your wages are so low you’ll barely scratch out a living. You’ll also start off as pretty much a slave-boy to your new master.”"
That's pretty cool, anon. You should make a video and post it on youtube for everyone. I'm jealous.
Apparently here rabbits and squirrels are considered residents and have legal protection. I cornered a rabbit in my garden when I went out to harvest some greens, so I had a knife in my hand. I was really considering pouncing on the fucker, but it looked pathetic so I let it go. Now I think it would have gone like gobs butcher scene. Trying to hold onto a bloody, squirming, flailing rabbit with one hand and stab it with the other.
The LNs havent properly touched on this yet. But based on >>136375603 I would think that people called to Grimgar and then doing "normal jobs" would be treated like lower life forms because they are expected to do soldier work.
Hahahaha, oh Shihoru.
the goblin was alone when they travel in packs, and had a coin around his neck like the human mercenaries who get sent here.
This goblin was a failure at the game, and he was punished by getting turned into part of it.
What the fuck is a D0?
How do you make a die without faces? How do you roll it? I mean, it can't land, so the roll is never finished. It just hovers there and you wait for nothing to happen.
How? No one remembers their previous life and knowledge. Even if you remember the words, you have no idea what it even means or how to build it using non-modern tools and materials.
Indentured servitude is "not" slavery. It's just a really really really stacked contract that is nearly impossible to pay off and might change at any time
like college tuition
It is also generally done in exchange for something expensive, like a trip on a boat to a new continent.
She was successful in
attacking the darkness.
Do goblins usually have that kind/level of loot on them or was that one in particular spoiled by his hardworking mother who worked 3 jobs to get him a cool necklace for his birthday so that he might feel confident enough to go make some friends since he's always by himself.
It's not a great thing, but it is in an entirely different moral category, especially when you consider what came out of it over generations.
:: Goblin ::
Goblins are small creatures that many consider to be little more than a nuisance. Standing just over 3 feet and weighing less than 50 pounds, these creatures are seldom intimidating on their own but can be cunningly lethal in larger numbers. Their skin tone ranges from yellow to deep red, and they prefer to wear colors that blend into their natural surroundings of dark caverns. Often bullied by the larger races, goblins have learned to exploit their advantages, usually in the form of sheer numbers and ingenuity.
Goblin Ability Adjustments: +2 Dex, -2 Str, -2 Cha
Favored Class (Rogue): A multiclass goblin's rogue class does not count when determining whether he suffers an XP penalty for multiclassing.
- Small Stature:
- +1 size bonus to attack rolls.
- +1 size bonus to AC.
- +4 size bonus to Hide checks.
- Darkvision: Goblins are able to see in the dark.
- Skill Affinity (Move Silently): +2 racial bonus to Move Silently checks.
- Goblinoid: Goblins count as Goblinoids for the purpose of spells.
Shihoru needs some cram school with both Freke and Yuria.
Truly a disappointing mage.
So which type of LN garbage will be popular?
MMOshit with retards party?
MMOshit with gary stu party?
>It doesn't cost money to do 20 pushups and swing at a log,
Right. That only costs energy. Are you more likely to win against a goblin when you're exhausted or when you're still in peak condition?
The goblin survived multiple stab wounds and a fuckhuge sword caving into its skull. An arrow, especially one fired by an amateur, isn't going to do anything but make it angrier.
Their problem isn't an issue of rolling high enough numbers, anon. Their problem is coordinating team tactics. It's much FASTER to train team tactics when everyone is cool headed rather than losing battle after battle.
>be a goblin
>wants to sing, write poetry, grow beautiful flowers etc.
>be outcast from the warrior society and forced to live alone
>be murdered by human assholes
Think about it, they killed a goblin NEET.
What I don't get is why they decide to form MMO parties instead of forming a proper fighting force.\
>We're gonna all be different classes because lol
>Thief ever being more relevant than fighter or priest or based palladin or literally anything that either puts out or soaks up damage.
Why are there no polearms. Why are there no tactics. Where are my glorious line infantry.
RPG Thieves are great.
They can steal shit and debuff the enemy.
The Mage girl pisses me off though; one of my pet peeves is magic users who stand around doing nothing. Any second spent not-casting is wasted DPS.
>superior for small groups
But there is literally no reason to be in a small group.
>Polearms are gimmicky
>The staple of infantry combat for hundreds of years is a "gimmick"
>need way too much training to be useful.
Also completely wrong, polearms are cheap and easy as fuck to use, why do you think they gave them to peaseant conscripts?
Goblins have absolutely no way to break a line of people with halberds, if they had all stuck together they could have fucking steamrolled all the goblins they saw.
>This psychological phenomenon allows otherwise empathetic human beings to ignore the consequences of their actions by holding mutually exclusive conceptions about ethics and morality.
What is cognitive dissonance?
What in the actual fuck makes people think that this is a game?
Kids these days associate modern looking characters in a fantasy world as them being trapped in a virtual world as opposed to physically traveling to another world. They need to watch more Escaflowne and less SAO.
>they have no one to back them up
Except, you know, the whole village they live in.
I'm not saying they go full Oda Nobunaga and try and unite the land with hundreds of thousands of troops, I'm just saying that there isn't any reason for them to split into smaller parties when there is plenty of money to go around if you have the ability to kill every goblin, kobold, or orc you lay eyes on with the bare minimum of effort.
>But there is literally no reason to be in a small group.
They're rookies, if they were in a large group they'd only be able to fight against other large groups and they'd get destroyed.
>The staple of infantry combat for hundreds of years is a "gimmick"
In a small group, yes. The polearm fighting they'd have to do is hooking people with the hook and then having someone else stab, that's nigh impossible in small fights with no training.
>why do you think they gave them to peaseant conscripts?
Are you really comparing hundreds of peasants to a group of 5 people? A line of 5 people with halberds would be ridiculously easy to beat.
>march in huge group
>goblins get more goblins
>goblins kill untrained villagers
Goblins live their entire lives as fighters, there's no way some peasants would be able to take them down.
Training 1: Swing a sword
Training 2: Swing a sword without hitting yourself
Training 3: Swing a sword without hitting your ally
Literally that's the level of rookies we're dealing with here.
lose enough blood and you still won't recover.
imagine your lung being pierced by a dagger but hey Mr mage can fix that. he can sow the wound but can he remove the excruciating amount of blood that just poured into your lung causing you to suffocate.
magic is a tool not a miracle.
>hey were in a large group they'd only be able to fight against other large groups
Why? Killing gobs apparently earns loads of bank, just take a group of 20 and steamroll ever little group of 4-8 goblins you see for days.
>The polearm fighting they'd have to do is hooking people with the hook and then having someone else stab
>Polearms in charge of killing anything ever.
That is why you have archers and mages.
>Line infantry form glorious impenetrable wall of pikes
>Shoot any goblins that run, shoot any that stand still
>Not wanting it to escalate to battles involving complex maneuvers of 100 of infantry
>Not wanting to watch heavy cavalry rout the goblin peasantry.
>Not wanting medieval LotGH
>untrained warriors in charge of breaking line infantry.
Goblins don't have the equipment, the organization, or the training.
Haku doesn't really invent anything. He's just good at logic (which he has to be, considering he used to be a programmer) and can figure out how to fix simple mechanisms thanks to that.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to fire an arrow at such a small area without using modern day bows, especially if the goblin is moving around? Even people with guns can't do that reliablely and now you expect a person with barely a month of training with traditional bows to do it on her first shot?
>Why? Killing gobs apparently earns loads of bank, just take a group of 20 and steamroll ever little group of 4-8 goblins you see for days.
They'd see or hear you and get more goblins, they have a civilization in this world and they're a lot stronger than some random peasants with pointy sticks.
>That is why you have archers and mages.
The goblins have those too, now you have to have armour for all your line infantry or they'll get destroyed by a handful of ranged goblins.
>Goblins don't have the equipment, the organization, or the training.
They have all of those actually.
Why don't they just ambush and steal from people? I mean they're basically bandits as is anyway.
I'm sure the average traveler has more useful and expensive stuff than a fucking shitflinging goblin.
Getting an arrow anywhere in your body is basically a game over since it gimps you so hard. Unless you're armored which would mean the arrow only barely wounds you puncturing though.
Anon. The group barely even knows each other's skills. They don't spar. They don't practice. They don't run competition against each other. They literally have 5 different allies to practice against and you're telling me they have none?
Get a fucking clue retard.
No it fucking isn't. Traditional bows have shit draw strength, especially since she's probably using the cheap novice stuff. Not to mention the goblin has survived multiple stab wounds and his head being caved in. A shallow arrow penetration into his torso isn't even going to slow him down.
>Goblins don't have the equipment, the organization, or the training.
They actually do. Goblins in Grimgal have their own society and weapons (swords, spears, axes, crossbows) and some even have full plate armor. Also, goblins control the stronger (but much dumber) hobgoblins.
>But there is literally no reason to be in a small group.
There is also no reason for a big group when most people just hunt out small groups of monsters that aren't even a direct threat to the city.
>Traditional bows have shit draw strength
They are military tools you retard. That means they are built to kill stuff.
>They'd see or hear you and get more goblins,
>A group of 20 people slaughtering goblins is somehow significantly louder than 6-10 that the goblin army's spidy senses tingle.
Pretty sure the death screams of the goblin maxed out our volume factor.
>you have to have armour for all your line infantry
They all have armour anyway.
>They have all of those actually.
Tell me that highly trained front line infantry wielding a zweihaender or similar weapon describes the goblins we have seen so far.
Protip: it doesn't
I haven't read the novels, but so far I haven't seen evidence of the intelligence and intense discipline required for them to repel even a rudimentarily organized attack.
>There is also no reason for a big group
Safety? They're stressing the "we're fighting for our lives!" bullshit constantly, why you would ever enter an engagement that you weren't basically guaranteed to win is beyond me.
If we took all these useless scrubs and gave them basic shit to do like wield a pike and paired them with the group of people who actually know what they're doing, everything would go significantly better for everyone.
Their best option right now is killing lone goblins, if they do that they gain experience on how to fight goblins, experience on where their weak spots are (organs, arteries, etc.) and cash for food, if they train with each other they're wasting time and energy.
It's also the cheapest shit they are give out to recruits. That shit is not going to be 360 no scoping anything nor is it going to penetrate its thick skin very deep. Because, surprise surprise, the ranger is still just a teenage girl who only had a week's worth of training and no other military training, she already has shit for strength in addition to her utter lack of experience.
>they train with each other they're wasting time and energy.
If you fuck up in training you get hurt
If you fuck up in a battle you, and potentially everyone around you dies. This is why training exists.
> experience on where their weak spots are (organs, arteries, etc.)
Protip: Living things die if you attack them repeatedly.
> Their best option is bashing their head against a wall hoping to overcome it by sheer luck
>paired them with the group of people who actually know what they're doing, everything would go significantly better for everyone.
The guys who know what they are doing have no interest with working together with scrubs.
Also theres also a real army. The Volunteers are just the faggots who are supposed to kill nearby scum and disposeable.
She's using a hunting bow. A military style bow would either be as tall as she is, unless you're using it on horseback and even then she's not using a composite style bow with good draw.
Well, there are elements taken from a roleplaying game. I suppose that the author wrote for readers that are familiar with such games.
* Skills, I mean, [SKILL]s: It's okay to describe special skills like lock picking or spells in such a way, but normally you don't say that you know the skill of [HIT], but basic combat training or knife training.
* I'm okay with the classes as titles for members of a specific guild, even if they are lifted from a game.
But they gave the newcomer too much freedom. Usually they would have been trained in the mercenary unit itself say in spear combat or in archery and assigned to existing groups.
They can learn all of those things by asking any single other hunter who has already dealt with goblins at any point of their life. Which is everyone. They might even learn a few clever tricks on handling goblins
Anon, it's like playing basketball to get better at playing baseball, sure it'll help somewhat but they're completely different things, goblins and humans are massively different in both fighting style and physiology.
>Protip: Living things die if you attack them repeatedly.
Yeah, that really worked well in episode 2, didn't it?
You are moving the goalposts.
I agree that it's unrealistic to have a weak girl use a bow, but that has nothing to do with a bow's destructive power. If we accept that she uses a real bow, then so long as she manages to draw the sinew back and if she hits the target, the target IS going to feel it.
If it's a fantasy bow (that can be drawn even by little girls) it's a moot point because ranged combat is always gimped in fantasy unless you have an overleveled super-ranger.
>I haven't read the novels, but so far I haven't seen evidence of the intelligence and intense discipline required for them to repel even a rudimentarily organized attack.
Because the goblins shown in the anime are mostly outcasts that were thrown out of the society for one reason or another.
>Safety? They're stressing the "we're fighting for our lives!" bullshit constantly, why you would ever enter an engagement that you weren't basically guaranteed to win is beyond me.
Because nobody really cares if they die or not. It's a reserve army and they get enough recruits that it doesn't matter if a few scrubs that can't do shit without others wiping their asses die. They haven't proven their usefulness and have no value, so nobody is going to waste people on helping them hunt goblins when goblin hunting isn't actually necessary for anything than training or gathering of certain (not particularly valuable) resources.
So now you're comparing the group of 5 16 year olds with hardly any training and shit equipment to a professional fighting force of highly equipped and trained grown men. Nice.
>, goblins and humans are massively different in both fighting style and physiology.
Goblins swing swords.
Humans swing swords.
Goblins shoot bows.
Humans shoot bows.
Goblins hate getting stabbed in the face.
Humans hate getting stabbed in the face.
Finesse training for a favored enemy means nothing if you can't learn any one of these things.
It's still killing a sentient and intelligent being that's fighting for its life.
For fucks sake the poor thing was alone, happy, getting some fresh water and they ambushed and murdered him full cold blooded because literally 0 reasons.
Except it does. The more strength you have, the more pull you can get, the more powerful and straighter the arrow will be when fired. If you want that OHKO heart piercing shot, then you will need a fuckhuge powerful draw and an ungodly aim, especially with that type of bow.
It's not a very difficult point to grasp, anon.
The technicalities of fighting between humans and goblins doesn't mean shit if you can't even grasp the basics. You don't learn how to write cursive before learning the alphabet. Same thing here.
They know the basics though, they just have no experience. What to do in this terrain, what to do when the enemy does this, what to do when the enemy does that. You can't learn that unless you fight that specific type of enemy.
> Needing strength
Literally the whole point of a crossbow is that it allows full body strength to be used instead of one badly angled arm.
Any asshole who can pick up a bag of potatoes can load a crossbow. That was their entire value.
Goblins rapes and kill. They will kill even pregnant women and kids. They're not human and they don't have mercy like human beings.
>don't kill gob
>he come back to avenge his friends
>kill and rape retards while they sleep
That and the fact that they are easier to aim, easier to make ammunition for, easier to manufacture (compared to a proper bow) , and just in general better at everything except rate of fire and range.
And that's the keyword here. If. And even then, how much can she draw back? And the follow up question, how much will over-exerting that pull is going to affect her aiming? She is not going to be hitting anything vital anytime soon other than luck. Hell, she is more likely to break her fingers if she tries anything crazy like that.
>And fruitless because they very clearly don't know the basics.
But they do? The difference is that the basics don't actually mean much when you can't use them in real combat. It's why just because you've spent months practicing martial arts doesn't necessarily mean it'll do you any good in a a street fight, where all rules are off and you have no idea when to use what moves because you don't have actual experience.
That's why I said a bow in combat and a girl using a bow in combat are two different subjects.
One is realistic. The other is not.
And that's why I accused you of moving the goalposts.
> don't have actual experience
They literally trained first hand against a live tutor, and can get real experience against each other. They can also get that experience without DYING as well as learning the value of each group member at the same time.
How long were they languishing without a single kill? Priest party leader should have laid in on huntah gal and DK a long time ago because they're the reason they keep fucking up. And send the mage to remedial school. The problem with Manato's group is its lack of leadership.
Wait, I'm confused. What exactly are we arguing about here? I'm saying it's unrealistic for someone like her to be able to pierce the goblin's heart with her lack of strength and skill and having shitty equipment. I lost track of what you're arguing against.
The basics mean nothing when you've learned them in static conditions, you'll be lost when you're in an actual fight. Try using Aikido in an actual fight, you'll get demolished.
>polearms are way too gimmicky and need way too much training to be useful.
You wanna know how I can tell you know absolutely nothing about the topic and learned the bullshit you spout from anime/videogames/movies?
Protip: Crossbow "strength" is a meme. Crossbows were invented so that tween boys should shoot an 80 pound draw. They are literally loaded using the strongest muscles in your body and with full body symmetry.
I like how /a/ can become an 'expert' in any topic as long as there's an anime about it.
They don't have the time for that, you dolt. They only received personal training for one week and have enough money to survive for two weeks. Sparring will do them no good when they have only days to learn where to find goblins, how to find them, get used to the idea of killing and start earning enough money to live in relative comfort for a few more days. They already spend morning to evening hunting and get exhausted from running around forests and mountains all day long. There is no time to train properly.
The problem with Manato is that he's a huge fucking softie and won't criticize his party members even if he has to. They can't receive any more training or tutoring without paying a lot of money to the guilds and hardly anyone experience gives enough of a shit about them to teach them anything.
Yes. It is.
Heavy Crossbows were invented to pierce heavy plate armor present in the late middle ages. Their design allowed a single person to load an enormous amount of power behind a single bolt, which was something a regular bow simply COULDN'T DO. Why was that? Because a regular high power bow was too fucking heavy for a regular person to use.
Heavy crossbows are only viable because it multiplied the user's strength far more efficiently than regular bows. The Crossbow being a weapon "for strong people" is a meme.
How much do you think a fucking wind-up crossbow costs?
And if you're so sure that crossbows are one-shot kills, then you should suggest that Assgirl work together with the warrior(?) who has enough strengths to reload a normal crossbow.
He probably meant the strength to pull the draw string back. The more advanced one uses a crank while traditional ones uses a hook on your belt and requires people to latch it onto the part that pulls the string back by standing up. It's actually pretty time consuming and commonly requires a shield in front to protect the crossbow user from enemy attack since he's a stationary target during this time.
>train with human opponents
>learn how to fight against people your height
>learn how to fight against people with human anatomy
>learn how to fight on solid terrain
>fight with goblin
>90% of what you learned is useless and you wasted days training when you could've been earning money so you don't starve
>The problem with Manato is that he's a huge fucking softie and won't criticize his party members even if he has to
Or maybe he thrives off the failure of his comrades, being only useful when they are injured. Manato is a leech and should be scorched off the party by Chef-kun.
Please read up on things before arguing about them. Spears amazing formation weapons but also amazing weapons in any case, even a newbie with a spear can give a trained swordsman trouble, spears are greatly superior to most weapons in most cases (especially when plate armour is not involved), hence why they were the most used weapon throughout history.
The one drawback is that they aren't as handy to carry as a mace, axe, or sword, hence the popularity of swords as sidearms in town for protection. None of this is an issue if you are going out with a group with the knowledge that you will encounter enemies.
Theres actually asian crossbows and european crossbows.
The asian variant was made rather early with the purpose of having untrained people engaging in ranged combat.
The european variant was made in the late medievals to pierce plate.
>what is footwork
>what is edge alignment
>what is general mental training
>what is muscle memory
>what is a fucktonne of other things that don't depend on your opponent
Not to mention goblins are just extremely short humans as far as anatomy is concerned, think of fighting an angry manlet.
An angry manlet who by itself had to survive in the wilds by stabbing wild animals to death, probably rob humans, and defend themselves from teams of disposable newbie humans trying to kill it.
A spear is a polearm you literal reatard.
All that aside from muscle training actually requires someone who knows his shit to train them. By itself it'd just be a waste of time and they'd probably hurt each other while trying to spar.
Goblins aren't just short humans, these things have been living out in the wild since their births. They are more active and constantly exposed to the environment, so they are stronger, faster, have thicker skins and can use the terrain to their advantage. They're more like small feral humans, which are incredibly deadly.
Its because he starts being observativ of things, including the enemies and his team mates, noticing where they are weak, how their enemies react to what behavior, etc.
Its his idea to team finance the warrior a full plate armor and then they steamroll goblins.
No he will become more retarded but MC will learn more to deal with him after
redhead gets basically half a volume dedicated to him.
Also MC hates him more and more with every volume.