Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1376

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Work hard and enjoy the results.

>>136167487
スケベ

You can't learn Japanese.

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N2 anon from last thread, is this deck good? https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/222935245
The description is scaring me.

>>136168011
Only losers download JLPT decks.

>>136168011

>vocab deck

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Is 濡れて帰って an expression for getting wet when going home during the rain? I don't think the て is being used to form a sequence of actions here. Context is the character is waiting under the rain.

>>136168117
You can indeed use the te form of verbs to express a sequence of events

>>136168423
Yes, I know that. But it's really the form used in the panel? I felt it was more like and expression or something.

>>136168117
て-form is often to express "do A while doing B" rather than "do A after doing B".

For example, バケツを持ってきてください. Forget that 持ってくる has its own entry in the dictionary and think about how it's composed for a second. You're holding the bucket 'while' you're coming towards me, hence you're bringing it to me.

Another example, 自信を持って行きましょう. You're not going to have confidence and then go, you're going to go with confidence. They're simultaneous.

So 濡れて帰る is going home/getting home wet

>>136168117

What does the ~てないと means there?

>>136168627
I just realized 持っていく is also on the dictionary. Here's another example so you won't doubt be.

頭がじんじんして眠れない

In this cause it's indicating cause more than anything, but they're also not a sequence of actions, they're simultaneous.

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Remember that wanikani is the key to success!

>>136168627
So it really was just two verbs made into an expression, thanks anon.

>>136168655
Explanation might be wrong, but the 濡れて帰ってない is a negative expression (not going home wet) and the と makes it a clause subordinated to the second expression ([wold be] fine, but.)

>>136168871
Wanikani-san, please lend me your power, I can't be arsed to do my reps.

>>136168965
Don't believe in the me who believes in you, believe in the you who believes in you.

My reps are getting hard.

読む始するか?

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>>136169235
>読む始するか
I think that'd be for the best.

助けて。

>>136169375
の

>>136169426
おｋ

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>>136168871
Don't make me do it

>>136169737
今日も一日がんばるぞい！

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>Congratulations! You have finished this deck for now.

>>136168011
You really don't need that shit. Just do core6k and mine vocab

>>136168963
>So it really was just two verbs made into an expression
No, it's really not. It's just two verbs, one of which is in -te form. 濡れる could have been any other verb.

>>136167487
is that onee-chan supposed to represent Anki?

>>136167487

>3 years for this

>初見gdgdの実況プレイ動画です
can an expert on niconico memes explain what gdgd is?

>>136170531
Nevermind, found this
https://ofurotaimu.dreamwidth.org/6378.html
ぐだぐだ

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>>136167487
>you will never be that shota
Why even life? Seriously.

Word of the day: 熊猫

全然猫っぽくないと思うが

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>>136171272
cat + bear = panda?

Hello foul cock suckers. What are your opinions on Critical Period Hypothesis? Can't you even realize that mastering or at least truly knowing some basics of The Japanese language is impossible for such overage children like you all are?

>>136171333
>said the fool who died without trying for himself

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>>136170221
Obviously.

>>136171333
ok

>>136171333

who cares? not like i have a time machine

>>136171361
>who died
but I'm still alive, piece of rag

>>136171421

are you female

this isn't hot if you're not female

>>136171421
I took the liberty of assuming you're going to die a failure who never tried.

>>136171460
oh god, what a naive daydreamer

>>136171522
夢じゃないよ
もうほぼ達成してるし

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>been learning Japanese with my Tulpa for over a year now
>watching some anime
>some new unknown character appears, somewhat hidden in a corner
>Tulpa yells ”敵か？！”
>mfw

All of that hard work wasn't in vain.

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>>136171627

>>136171627
Enjoy spending your final years babbling Japanese to yourself in the looney ward.

>>136171831
They already locked me in. I have food and internet, life is great.

>>136171627
>>been learning Japanese with my Tulpa
Oh wow.

https://youtu.be/dg-pyjiexeo?t=13m31s
13m31s
○○の相が出ている

what's ○○?

Sounds like 吉

少し音量を下げてください。

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>>136172654
いいえ

>お邪魔します
>お邪魔　します

FUUUUUUUUUUCK

>目が据わる
How do glassy eyes look like?

>>136173620
>据わる すわる (v5r,vi) to sit; to squat; to assume (a position); to hold steady; to hold still; (P)
>to hold steady; to hold still;

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>>136159150
あたしの地方の方言だと「いのく」だよ。おにいちゃん

>>136172025
You don't?

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>>136172077
はっきり発音されてないけど、文脈から

>不吉の相が出ている。

でまちがいないとおもうよ

日本人女性と結婚したいです。

>>136173620
like people who experienced attack on Titan

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>>136175219
僕はのぞみ結婚したいです

>>136175295
Anki・・・してやる・・・・・・・・一語残らず・・・・・

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DJT
I want make you a simple question
Let's suppose for the sake of this question that you're a person looking for a Japanese tutor

What would you prefer?
http://strawpoll.me/6547887

This is just my opinion, but I would personally pick one that is native in my language and is fluent in Japanese because he has walked on the same road as I do, and likely would share the same perspective that I did when facing the same difficulties I did when learning.

But what do you think?

>>136175660
Someone who doesn't rape you when they come over to your house.

>>136175660
An actual nip is far more likely to know all the rules and exceptions you could ever want. They'll be able to tell you instantly if a sentence sounds awkward.

It's a question of someone with 20-40 years of experience vs 3-20 years of experience. You're always going to pick the native unless you're braindead.

>>136175660
You should've put captcha on the poll

>>136175794
It's all right, the people have spoken.

>>136175771
>An actual nip is far more likely to know all the rules and exceptions you could ever want.
Sounds like bullshit. Native speakers didn't need rules, they learned their language naturally without studying grammar. The second sentence is definitely correct, though.

>>136175771
Yeah, but knowing the language and being able to teach it in a foreign language is also a thing to think about.

Understanding the perspective of who is learning is also important. He could know all the theory, but if he can't explain it to you or make you understand it, then it's useless.

That's what I think at least.

>>136175882
This, I couldn't teach you jack shit about my language.

Though you would want your teacher to have lived in the country for a least a few years.

>>136175882
You don't need understanding for shit like "don't use X here". Languages aren't complex. The reasoning for something doesn't matter, you just need to know what's correct and what isn't.

It's like trying to explain why we "post" messages. You could go into the history of fucking bulletin boards, or you could just say "because we fucking do, cunt".

>>136175660
I'd pick whoever has a very good language and teaching skills on both languages.

It really doesn't matter if it's a native or not, if the fag can't teach shit in English, then there's no point in having a native

If both have good teaching skills, then I think it really doesn't matter. People will always pick the native because they think it automatically makes them a better teacher though

But that's not true.

>>136175880
>they learned their language naturally without studying grammar.
What?

>>136176163
Maybe he's an American that didn't study grammar in school and now projecting on the rest of the world?

>>136176067
Uhm, yeah it does?

Depending on what level of fluency you're shooting for.
If you want to be fluent enough to write and compose, you WILL need more than "this is right because this is right", you will need the reasoning behind sentence formation.

I mean, what you're saying is fine if you're going to just learn something for reading? But what you're saying doesn't hold when you try to compose more complicated sentences

Or when you try to compose thoughts you've never read or composed before.

>>136176163
Yeah, this is true.
You learn your native language on your own when you're a kid, 7 years old don't speak their native language because they were reading language books back when they were children

They go to school though, to understand better their language and understand what's behind each sentence, how it works, and how to better compose

>>136174984
なんだそんな簡単なことだったのかちくしょう　
ありがとう妹よ

>>136176163
I never learned English grammar.

>>136175882
One thing you're forgetting is that one guy had 15 odd years of schooling in, and about that language. They're far more likely to have encountered the exact explanation for any weird quirks that a learner breezing through the language in a few years wouldn't have the time to bother with, they'd just memorise it as an exception.

>>136176281
The more you read, the more you encounter correct grammar, and the better equipped you are to formulate sentences. The idea that someone could read perfectly but be unable to form basic sentences is laughable.

>>136168049
Why?

>>136176416
Because only losers take that test.

>>136176163
what about this don't you get? Unless you had severe autism(which I guess isn't entirely unlikely) you should have been able to form sentences and "use" grammar years before you ever actually went to school and "learned" it.

>>136176396
>The idea that someone could read perfectly but be unable to form basic sentences is laughable.
That is actually very common.
I can't emphasize enough how common this is actually.

You cannot assume because someone can read, they possess the same vocabulary or grammar skills to properly formulate sentences.

I know several people who can read Japanese, but they wouldn't stand a chance in an argument against natives, or an argument in Japanese for that matter.

But I'm gonna ask

Does common sense among non-fluents is that natives = better teachers automatically than non-natives?

>>136176501
How is this possible? Why can't I do that with Japanese?

The "learn grammar" meme never gets old. Fucking dumbshit ESLs, man.

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hey I havent been here since I burnt out doing 100 new cards/day over the summer

i stopped when I hit equilibrium on the pie chart. as my resolution, i'll finish 6k then finally start on grammar and reading. though ill have to relearn most of the last ~3k cards

>>136176584
Anglos are the ones who can't handle basic grammar without Tae Kim shoving states of being down their throats.

>>136176548
if I could answer that question I'd be off getting a free phd in linguistics not shitposting on a japanese cartoon image board

>>136176712
>finish 6k then finally start on grammar and reading
CAN'T.

Damn, I think I hit a bad end or something in Flyable Heart? I got kicked out of the dorm and the game just ended.

>>136176548
i would think its because you didnt grow up with everyone around you speaking japanese, unless you did in which case its because your a retard

>>136176548
Kids are just good at learning by osmosis.

>>136176548
Yeah but it takes 10 years for a 10yo to get to his level. If you study diligently you could reach that level in 2 years.
It's just that kids are learning language without knowing they are. They also encounter it every day, the whole day.
Kids also aren't afraid of making mistakes. Nobody cares if a 3yo speaks like a 3yo, but I don't see adults doing that.

>>136176548
I am fluent in Japanese and I haven't studied a lick of grammar.

若いころから言語を駆使してる人見て続けると自然に言葉の扱い方を覚えてしまうとの話でしょう

要は文法はそれなりに大事ですが
言葉いや文の構成にしてはそんなに致命的ではないというものです

と言ってももう少し難しい生成力を目指してるなら文法の勉強の大事さはそこに現れるでしょうかと

>>136176909
Adding to what he said.

They also have a _need_ to communicate. You don't really have that much of a need to speak japanese because if you get hungry you can go to the store and talk to the clerk in english.

I'd say moving to japan would simulate that environment, but from what I've heard most japanese people would rather brush up on their english skills talking to you rather than talk to you in japanese, and most signs/newspapers and things have english versions there too. So that's not a good idea.

The question really should've been whether the native/english fluent is a good teacher or not

I think that's more important
Can you make the guy understand the crap you're teaching him?
Being native or not comes after this.

>>136177184
The problem with Japanese is that kanji makes it harder to learn that way.
I learned English just from video games and shitposting, but I already knew the alphabet.

>>136175219
白人が日本人女性と結婚するのは無理です

>>136177274
well I thought we were just talking about the spoken language.

I guess kids get most of the writing system learned in school.

There's also the fact that I think a lost of second language learning goes
>word in second language -> equivalent in first language -> understanding
whereas a child learning their first language would just have
>word -> understanding
So the words are associated strongly with the concepts and their experiences with it. Whereas my experiences with every word is just about the same right now, and Anki screen. That doesn't exactly make each word uniquely memorable.

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>>136177184
I get a little insulted when nips completely disregard my attempt to speak japanese with them. Is it really so bad that they'd rather speak poor english than listen to me butcher their language or they generally feel like they didn't take a trip to the states to hear some japanophile prattle about how great nippon is in 4th grade japanese. It's so discouraging, I just can't....

>>136177435
this is why you use a J-J dictionary

>>136176548
But you can

>>136177258
Yeah, but I guess that's just common sense

People will instantly pick the native over a non-native as they will associate his language skills with his teaching skills.

That's really a dumb thing to do though.

>>136177473
Yeah, it's very annoying for them, no offense.
I'd play DQ10 around and I'd be in a party with other nips, whenever we found a korean people would just ask me to ask him if he spoke English so he'd stop annoying the party.

If you can use it but some nuiances pop up every now and then they still deal with it or just ignore it, but if you're speaking baby talk level they get really annoyed.

>>136177473
I heard a completely different experience from someone.
He also heard that nips would attempt to speak English to him, but when he went there hardly anyone actually did.

>>136177630
Is he brown skinned or something?

>>136177128
fluentとか言っといて不自然な日本語だらけのｶｷｺに吹いたｗ

>>136177486

Even so, you can know the dictionary definition of a word and still not have a concrete feel for it. Like words you've only seen a few times in writing, you can recognize them but probably wouldn't feel comfortable using them in a conversation.

Native is obviously superior. How is this even a question? You can learn all of the grammar and technical stuff a tutor can teach you on your own. What a native can provide to you is not something easily found. Its value is not even comparable.

>>136177697
He's a ホワイト ピッグ

>>136177783
can I get this from watching native speakers online in the comfort of my own home without having to actually engage anyone socially?

>>136177741
文法の大事さはそこでしょう？
意味がちゃんと伝われたしそこには問題はないのです
FluentとNativeの違いはそこにあると思います

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>>136177783
>implying I can just find some native speaking Jap at random

Thanks, anon, you sure were of help.

>>136177817
No, the sole merit of having a tutor is that you have somebody to help you address the problems which are particular to you.

>>136177856
I never implied that. The question is obviously made under the assumption that you already have the choice.

>>136177473
I can understand this. If I went there and everyone spoke English to me I'd probably be a little irritated, so why shouldn't he feel the same the other way around? Lots that come here are probably Ameriboos that want to try out some English.

>>136177856
Use Lang-8. I've met quite a few nips there that I now have added on Skype.

I think you would ideally have one of each. One person who has the same native language as you to guide you through the steps he once took himself and one Japanese native speaker to serve you as a reliable reference, someone who can look at you speaking or writing and quickly point out where you're sounding unnatural and how to do it more naturally.

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>>136177783
>Native is obviously superior. How is this even a question? You can learn all of the grammar and technical stuff a tutor can teach you on your own. What a native can provide to you is not something easily found.

I've studied with a native for a year. It was a waste of time. Whenever I asked "Why is it like this?" "It's just how it is/It's an exception." "How does this work?" "It just works/It's an exception." "Can we learn the dictionary form?" "No, we are sticking to the book." 3 days into Tae Kim I got all my questions answered and I finally got some grasp of grammar. 3 days of Tae Kim > 1 year studying with a native.

But I guess it depends on person to person. If you can find someone that will teach you the Moon way, it's great. If you find someone who will teach you the "It's an exception." way, you're better off studying yourself.

why do some nips wear shirts with random English words on them?

Japs are retarded and need 18 years just to learn to read their own language at a basic level. People who think learning Japanese from a native is a good idea may just be mentally defective.

>>136178780
So fucks like you can ask questions about it on anonymous image boards

>>136178859
so you're saying Nips do it because it's a meme to frustrate the filthy gaijin?

>>136178916
only posters that use the word meme

>>136178646
Your particular experience is not a sufficient parameter. It's obvious that there are good and bad tutors, native or non-native.

If you pay close attention though, you'll see that all of those questions you mentioned fall under the "grammar and technical stuff a tutor can teach you", which I said you can learn by yourself already. I was implying the advantages of a native tutor lie beyond that. If he's just going to follow a book, or any static curriculum, he's really as good as a non-native tutor. Possibly worse because there's a good chance you can't communicate as well with him.

Your tutor sucked partly because you didn't take advantage of the fact that he was a native. You didn't use him as a model to be copied, which is the best way a native can help you. That's understandable though, because most of that advantage is only available for a more advanced learner.

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>>136178780
It's cool.

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Why didn't they use the te-form in 見上げる? Please don't be rude and hurt my feelings, I'm just starting.

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>>136178646
It's what I was saying

People prefer a native to non-native because they relate their language skills to their teaching skills

That's just not true at all.
You can have natives who are good teachers, but it's because they're good teachers, not because they're natives.

I wonder why people don't understand this.

>>136179124
>Get well soon

Every fucking time

>>136179003
You obviously aren't the type of person who learn from tutors, why are you boggling into this convo man?

If you're just going learn like a parrot, you wouldn't even need a tutor to begin with, which you probably don't have, and by the way you talk, you're against.

But that's completely irrelevant to that discussion, and you need to understand that different people learn through different ways than you do.

>>136179080
They are, they just hid it
２ひきはそらを見上げて目をつぶりました

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>>136179003
>If he's just going to follow a book, or any static curriculum, he's really as good as a non-native tutor. Possibly worse because there's a good chance you can't communicate as well with him.

It was pretty much like this. And also:

>Your tutor sucked partly because you didn't take advantage of the fact that he was a native. You didn't use him as a model to be copied, which is the best way a native can help you. That's understandable though, because most of that advantage is only available for a more advanced learner.

While I was a beginner back then, I did ask some things I couldn't find anywhere else, and the reply was almost always "We'll learn that later." "Now's not the time to learn that."
You're right about saying that a native can immensely help you, but I still wanted to warn anons not to rely on them for everything, or not study with them if they were like mine. I was amazed at how Tae Kim knew what people like me were taught incorrectly, such as the order of words in a sentence and the difference between だ and です.I bought his book just as a thank you for making me believe grammar can be studied again

>>136179200
The native tutor can be as good as a non-native one. In regards to being a teacher who'll guide you through a course they're both on pretty similar ground. However, the native has the advantage of being a freaking native on top of being possibly as good as any non-native tutor. Unless you have a reason to believe native tutors are on average worse teachers than non-native tutors, then natives are clearly the preferable choice.

>>136179079
させ子

>>136176857
>出て行け
Personally, I prefer to work out how to reach the routes on my own. Mouse over the spoiler if you'd rather be told what you did wrong. If you want to reach a route, stick to one girl at every choice and try not to deviate, and don't lose in the water gun fight or the haunted house.

>>136179124
Where can I buy one of these?

>>136178780
why do gaijin make tattoos with random kanji on them?

>>136179374

And does hiding implies anything or can I do that as I please?

Thank you, kind anon.

>>136179080
Ignore >>136179374. What happened is that they used the masu-stem which can act like the te-form when connecting clauses like that. It's often used in written language.

>>136179740
if you replace the comma for ます, the sentence does not make sense

>空を見上げます、目をつぶりました

You have to use the te form to connect both so it implies that you do the first action, and then the other
What's there is て form even though it seems like a contraction of the ます form

>>136178780
same reason anglos wear clothing with kanji and shit on them

>>136180214
Blind leading the blind

>>136180214
>if you replace the comma for ます, the sentence does not make sense
Which is why you use just the masu-stem and not masu form. Saying that it's the て-form without a て is just a more confusing way of putting it. Specially because that's not even quite true for other conjugations, e.g. 目をつぶり, 深呼吸をしました. There is no り in the て-form of つぶる.

>>136180504
Yeah I was just answering his question
He said why can't we use the て form there, which I said it is using the て form, just differently

I guess saying they "hid it" makes it confusing.
So to answer his question properly, there's a form that you remove the masu from the conjugation, which is what happened
見上げます -> 見上げ

but when you write 見上げ in a sentence it works as 見上げて
You can use that not freely, but when you want to connect more thoughts
I'd say it's best to see examples of this type and see how it's used so you get the hang of it

>>136171383
元々の同人誌の名前は何ですか？

>>136180972
英語でおｋ

Does anyone know where I can find the Japanese version of The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky? I tried searching in both Japanese and English but I can only find the English localisation of the game, not the Japanese version.

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>>136179079

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>>136181115

>>136167487
Who the fuck deleted this?

>>136181032
buy the EVO version

I'm not even kidding, the voice dialogue helps a lot, but the game also has a voiced backlog up to 999 lines that you can listen to it again

it's great if you're learning moon, plus much better than the japanese original PC version

>>136179400
Can you stop using spoiler tags for no reason, please? Either that or get a trip so I can filter you.

>>136181363
EVO as in the phone?

>>136181454
what if he considers Japanese language like a movie and doesn't want later grammar elements spoiled for him?

>>136181581
What are you spoiling?

>>136181581
It's the vita version of trails in the sky

>>136181670
Oh thank you.
>>136181655
Just wanted to annoy the guy above me.

十
鬱

Literally indistinguishable.

>>136182025

What the fuck Japan?

>>136181363
Don't have a vita, and my Japanese is sufficiently good I don't really need stuff like that.
Surely there must be a copy of the Japanese pc version available somewhere on the internet, right?

>>136182219
I remember you
>Why am I such a fucking moron?
You're a human being
>Why do I have these feelings?
Urge to breed

>>136182025
That does it. I quit. I can't learn this language.

>>136182269
鬱 is actually easy to remember because barely any kanji that get used are nearly as complex.

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>>136182025
god bless

>>136182343
>鬱 is actually easy to recognize because barely any kanji that get used are nearly as complex.
ftfy

>>136182394
I don't care about semantics.

>>136182574
It's an important distinction in the context of DJT considering that the topic of whether you should care about recall or not is very divisive.

>>136182650
Not really.

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>>136182257
Thanks for remembering.
>youre a human being
yes
>urge to breed
This is the strongest feel I ever had for a girl. Idk what to do /djt/ I was happy when I forgot about her. But I obviously have just been suppressing these feelings. I got to know more about her! And make the feelings die away naturally. But, I really do want her as a friend.

>>136182724
yeah, rly

>>136182650

Only like 2 people here care about writing.

>>136182850
That's a cool number you pulled out of your ass. Also, I said recall, not writing.

>>136182896

My daddy is moot so I know the statistics.

>>136182934
That's wrong cause I'm your daddy, now shut up and go to bed.

>>136182850
That's like half the thread

>>136183137

Writing not typing.

Dude who got the interview here by mentioning Japanese here, since people were asking me to update.

The interviewer (not the HR lady that I talked to on the phone who sounded really enthused) just gave me a blank stare throughout the interview, and then told me that he was going to interview two more people and then decide, which is interview talk for "don't hold your breath".

I've held jobs in the past, though (enough to understand how this works), and I'd kinda pin this one him. He was like a wall, not making any real movement to engage me. No mention of Japanese, obviously. He was also really disorganized, more so than any other person who's ever interviewed me that I can remember. I think that he was distracted, since I had to wait 30 minutes in his office for him to finally get to the interview. Whatever. There's a very good chance that the person who interviews you is going to be your immediate boss, and I don't want to work under a guy like that, anyways.

>>136171333
It doesn't even say it's impossible. It's just harder.

きょうの小粋なにほんご

>あばたもえくぼ
>Love is blind.

>>136156350
>There is no DJT index.
Actually, there is, someone here made one, you fucking cunt.

>>136171333
>The evidence for such a period is limited, and support stems largely from theoretical arguments
> the strongest evidence for the critical period hypothesis is in the study of accent, where most older learners do not reach a native-like level. However, under certain conditions, native-like accent has been observed, suggesting that accent is affected by multiple factors, such as identity and motivation, rather than a critical period biological constraint.

1. It's a hypothesis. Not an amazingly well supported one either.
2. If you try hard enough and be enough of a weeb, I'm sure you could speak like a Jap. At least according to this it's possible.

>>136171333
It's wrong. It's based on high context circumstance.

>>136185963
>At least according to this it's possible.
The french hag here speaks jap 100% like a native.

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>>136186080
She spells the words right, to do that you simply not have to be born an anglo.

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>陪
>部
もう、だめだ

>>136186668
What's the problem? One is used rarely, the other is used a lot.

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>>136186880
>陪
>rare

>>136168049
>>136168011
So check this out, there was a guy who used to (and maybe still does?) frequent this thread. His "study" method was to read manga, VN, and books, for his own personal enjoyment. A few years in, he took the JLPT N1 just for fun and scored 176/180. That is to say, he ACED the test without specifically studying for it.

On the other hand, there's several youtube blogshitters and guys on reddit crying about how "the JLPT doesn't indicate your Japanese skill", and how even though they passed N1, they still can't communicate or read well, etc. (Note: passing only requires a 55%)

If you learn Japanese by learning to read Japanese, the JLPT will be easy.

If you "learn Japanese" by studying for the JLPT, both Japanese and the JLPT will be hard.

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私たちはあなたに言いました。

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>>136186937
>陪
>common

>>136186992
Well yeah the logic is simple.
A: The best way to learn a language is to exposure yourself to it via reading and listening.
B: The JLPT tests knowledge of the Japanese language.
A ↔ B = Reading and listening will result in passing the JLPT test.

The only outside factors to consider is that you need to diversify the subjects of what you read, of course.

>>136186992
>passing only requires a 55%

What the fuck, it was 70% when I took JLPT1 in 2006.

>>136186992
He did do 1 or 2 assessment books i think

>>136187038
>>136186668

>>136186992
Sure, but the guy has a one year deadline to prepare for the test, and he's not doing it just to access his skill. In that case it would help to spare some time to prepare specifically for it, e.g. learning the vocabulary that will be required.

Alright guys I'm gonna go play Japanese wish me luck

>>136187224
Doesn't matter if he passes the test, but gets to Japan or whatever and can't actually use the language with proficiency. Studying for the JLPT like that is just harmful

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>>136187314
頑張って、アノンくん！

>>136187327
Yo, what level are you at.

>>136187327
how can studying be harmful

>>136187437
Over 9,000
>>136187480
Easily, why don't you try studying in romaji? After all, it's studying.

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>>136187501
>why don't you try studying in romaji

>>136187501
Ebin reddit memes dude. Call back when you actually try the JLPT or J-CAT.

>>136187501
noice argumentum ad absurdum breh

>>136182752
>But, I really do want her as a friend.
You are voluntarily turning yourself into a beta orbiter. I guess everyone has to make the mistake themselves one time. GL anon and don't take it too hard when she sends you pictures of her with her boyfriend.

For kindle users who use the vocabulary builder to remember lookups: Here's my method to mine words in case anyone wants it:

1. Connect via USB cable to computer
2. Copy ~\system\vocabulary\vocab.db to your local drive
3. Open using DB Browser for SQLite
4. Browse Data choosing "Lookups" by table and sort by timestamp
5. Copy and paste the words you don't know into notepad after that use rikaisama/epwing2anki

Once I get off my ass I might write a script to, well, actually automate this.

>>136187690
argumentum ad analogy

>play Japanese games in English (limited to games that I've already played) to relax
>immediately reminded of what's become one of my main reasons for studying Japanese: translations always butcher the feel of the original script
>even when there's no voice over, you can feel it
>when it's dub only, the problems only become more obvious

You guys should try it. It's a great motivator.

I sure hope you got that 3DS CFW, anon.

>>136187921
I'd rather play the game in Japanese and learn while I enjoy the non-butchered version.

>>136186992
>reading Japanese
>for personal enjoyment
What? Did he have to dictionary all the time or something?

>>136187921
>Games
>>>/v/

>Haven't read Japanese: The Manga Way in four days.
It's too hard.

>>136187921
How can anyone play Japanese games without hitting a block and have no quick way to see what the kanji is?

>>136188447
Nigga you on a computah rite nao.

>>136188447
>have no quick way to see what the kanji is
How could that possibly happen?

>>136188584
He's too stupid to use technology that's available to him.

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>>136188447
>>136188328
Once you hit an intermediate-ish level, new kanji really won't be a problem because 99% of what you see (seriously) will be the same 2,000-some. I can read for hours and not see a new kanji. Struggling with seeing new kanji when reading is frankly kind of a "beginner problem" though I don't like to put it that way.
Vocabulary is naturally a bigger issue but it gets to the point where you can understand sentences long before you know every word in every sentence, when you know all but 1 word in a sentence you can generally understand what the sentence is conveying even if you don't know that 1 word is, through context, grammar, and simple guessing. Of course, looking up words is always a good thing, but if you're playing just for fun you can be lazy and still follow the game without too many issues (excluding infodumps which tend to contain high densities of unknown vocab)
TL;DR in the intermediate level you can read and play Japanese games for fun without worrying about either kanji or necessarily vocabulary.

>>136188731
Damn that's hard to read

>>136188761
which one, 蠢く?

When did you guys start using a J>J dictionary for mining

I did a radicals deck and now I can accurately guess the meanings of 50% of kanji I come across in simple material.

>>136188761
That's pretty simple actually. With the exception of 騎 all of the kanji in there are extremely common, and even 騎 is not really a rare sight if you enjoy fantasy. There's no complicated words either and the only piece of grammar that might be confusing is the といったところだな bit. So if you felt demotivated by that being hard, rejoice, you can get to a level where that's easy to read fairly quick.

>>136188972
I started using them as soon as I was able to decipher them. I don't use them all of the time though, only when I feel insecure or unsatisfied about the meaning given in rikaisama.

>>136188989
>not being able to guess the meaning of kanji just by seeing them in anime so much

>watch Japanese let's player
>frequently drops English in his commentary like NICE JOB, JUSTICE, and ACTION
Is this what a westaboo looks like?

>>136188447
>>136188485
>>136188731
>>136188952
>>136189011
not him but how does anyone look up kanji they see from a source not on their computer? other than not be a beginner is that even possible?

>>136189262
Physical dictionaries exist, you know, if you mean not even looking up on Jisho. They organize by radical and stroke number.

>>136188373

>/v/
>playing games

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>>136189226
はい

>>136189262
maybe we should get a guide with information on things related to learning japanese
then people wouldn't need to ask such questions here since they would know the answer from the guide that they read

>>136189262
Radical search. It's not really that difficult to look at a list of radicals and figure out which of them are in the kanji you saw. You can always try drawing it on some site which supports this kind of search too. It works much more often than not.

>>136189262

Just read VNs and power through your anki decks until your grasp on kanji is strong enough that you basically never have to go through the pain of searching by radical. That day will come sooner than you might realize right now.

>>136189409
Stop bullying the fool.

>>136189448

I'm not bullying him. That's 100% true.

If your grasp on kanji is still really weak after getting a few thousand words into Core and a fair amount of reading, you might consider kanji writing practice.

>>136189486
>read VNs and power through your anki decks until your grasp on kanji is strong enough that you basically never have to go through the pain of searching by radical
What exactly do you mean with this? You're still going to have to search for kanji and radical search will still be an useful tool.

>>136176281
>Yeah, this is true.
No it isn't.

>>136176387
Yes you did.

>>136176501
>Unless you had severe autism(which I guess isn't entirely unlikely)
An entirely irrelevant personal insult. Well fucking done mate.
>you should have been able to form sentences and "use" grammar years before you ever actually went to school and "learned" it.
Can you explain how being corrected and interacting with people and learning from observing them is fundamentally different from learning it at school? I'm not trying to take the piss here but I've never come across a single person nor heard of a single person who grew up being able to comprehend and speak their native language in a vacuum, which is what you are suggesting.

>>136176887
Children are terrible by learning via "osmosis", which is why it takes them to years to have a mature grasp on something with a conceptually technical background of which an adult can come to terms with, understand and use in a far greater manner in a fraction of the time.

>>136177128
>and I haven't studied a lick of grammar.
Yes, you fucking have. Reading is a form of studying the language and analysing the structure- because you had to look up unknown things and learn what certain patterns mean. Guess what that is? Grammar. Self study is still study, for fuck sake.

>>136177486
A dictionary doesn't help you build an emotional intuition on the nuance of connotations.

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>>136189639

>>136189639
>and I haven't studied a lick of grammar.
>Yes, you fucking have. Reading is a form of studying the language and analysing the structure- because you had to look up unknown things and learn what certain patterns mean. Guess what that is? Grammar. Self study is still study, for fuck sake.
Surely you can see how pedantic your line of reasoning is and how meaningless your point is

just tried radical search by drawing and apparently my art skills are even worse than my japanese seems like just learning all the kanji would be easier

Trying Wanikani, finished my first set of lessons and now I can't do anything? Is it time locked until I get to do my first review or something?

>>136189789
>I can't do anything?
Indeed.

>>136189767
>radical search by drawing

Radical search and drawing are two different things. If you want to use drawing to look up kanji, use Google Translate, it is by far the best.

help. HELP. http://rocketnews24.com/2016/01/15/693676/

匿名独り言アプリ Whisper では、様々な立場の人々が誰にも言えない秘密を「王様の耳はロバの耳！」と叫んでいるという。そして今、 Whisper に寄せられたホテル従業員たちからの告白が、「笑えねえ」と話題を呼んでいるようだ。以下が、その一部である。

On a anonymous monolouge app "whisper", people of various standings tell the things they cannot say. Now, confessions from hotel staff visiting Whisper ??? stated laugh-worthy topics. ??? Below, a portion of them.

Correct my translation please. The question mark encased portion i do not believe i understood.

>>136189226
You should see the Haruhi novels. I bet the nips complain about how much english he uses.

>>136185562
>Actually, there is, someone here made one, you fucking cunt.
No there isn't. The order is identical to the re-optimized order created by nukemarine. Have a look; this isn't something you can actually defend when the writing is literally in those links, metaphorically on the wall.
What exactly are you a. so upset about that b. stops you from providing the evidence to support your blatant claim?

Somewhat fucking bizarre, man.

>>136189262
OCR programs for pc and android, kindle built in dict lookup, text hooker

For physical media just pray that you know all the kanji

>>136189789
>I can't do anything
Welcome to Wanikani.

>>136189893
Do you have any idea what I'm talking about? I'm certainly not talking about what you're talking about.

Someone here made an order. Whether you're aware of it is another question. fuck off.

>>136189789
One of the biggest flaws of Wanikani is that you can't control your pace, can't do more or less than they demand of you

>>136189262
I usually write it down then use google translate and "write" it in with the mouse using the handwriting function and it is surprisingly accurate.

>>136189960
Yeah, they plugged the html LN set into cb's text analysis tool and posted the results. That was archived on moe though and the mega link is dead, so it's gone unless someone has it.

>>136189604

Most cases will involve two or more kanji, at least one of which you'll know.

Let's say you don't know 曳 in 曳光弾. Just type *光弾 into jisho, and you'll have your answer very quickly.

That's not to say that you'll NEVER have to look up kanji by radical, but when you know the 常用漢字 (or even just most of them), those cases will be a relatively small minority.

>>136189731
>Surely you can see how pedantic your line of reasoning is and how meaningless your point is
Surely you can see how pathetic it is to create an argument through insinuation and make emotional appeals instead of being direct and addressing the statement made?

You don't get to call the pedantic card when your argument rests on a double standard, anon.

>>136190062
That was the guy that talked about how he was trying to find somewhere other than mega to upload it because he didn't want to make an account, right? He was paranoid about his being here being connected to his real identity because of his job.

It's pretty vivid, man.

>>136190087
I'm not the other guy, I just couldn't help but notice that your line of reasoning there was both pedantic AND meaningless. Surely one of such great intellect as yourself is aware of how fruitless and anal it is to type shit like that.

>>136190011
>>136189834
>use Google Translate
wow first time i ever heard this glad to see they're doing something right

>>136189834
MS IME's built in handwriting recognition is better but you have to draw your strokes downwards and to the right or something.

>>136190075
I guess you're right.

>>136189960
>Someone here made an order.
Not for the Core decks.
>Whether you're aware of it is another question
Post the deck.
>fuck off.
Sentences start with capital letters.

>>136190062
>they plugged the html LN set into cb's text analysis tool and posted the results. That was archived on moe though and the mega link is dead, so it's gone unless someone has it.
Ergo entirely irrelevant to the topic of the Core order indexes which are in the Core decks.

>>136190101
Yeah; entirely unrelated to the topic at hand. We are talking about the Core indexes and not some obscure ordering someone made which was never integrated into the popularised Core decks.

>>136190137
>I just couldn't help but notice that your line of reasoning there was both pedantic AND meaningless
Well then be a big boy and show your reasoning for this conclusion. Rhetoric/argument is based on logical constructs, much like balancing an equation and if you want to be taken seriously you can't go and say "x=5 because I said so".
>Surely one of such great intellect as yourself is aware of how fruitless and anal it is to type shit like that.
Again with the irrelevant personal insults. Do you have anything of substance to defend not-your argument?

>>136190229
>Well then be a big boy and show your reasoning for this conclusion.
You know it's true so I don't need to.

>>136190229
>We are talking about the Core indexes
I started the entire conversion in the last thread by invoking "do you even know how many /orderings/ there are", and no, I certainly was not just talking about whatever special set of orderings you yourself know of. I specifically had this ordering on my mind. I don't know how good it was over 1k words in but before my hard drive crashed I got 300-400 words in (I don't use sync) and they were all extremely relevant basic words.

>>136190177
If you have to follow stroke order or draw the strokes in a certain way, then it isn't better. I've used the Windows one before and it was certainly not better.

>>136190346
It's not stroke order.

>or draw the strokes in a certain way
Google translate requires you to do this too. You have to draw down and to the right, just like MS IME.

>>136190229
>Someone mad that other standards exists than his own

I have jade reader for android, but I'm having a hard time figuring what to put in. I'd like to read LNs, but I have a hard time finding them in .txt format.

What can I do?

>>136190229
>>136190419
See, even an ESL is calling you out on your bullshit.

>>136190450
No bully

>>136190229
Everyone you responded to in >>136189639 is clearly talking about studying it consciously. If you honestly didn't understand what they were saying you have a problem with English or non literal language

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>>136190777
A worse anki

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>cute girl lets player
>has a really cute accent
>says words like "やばい" and "くそ"
Why must 3DPD be so impure?

>>136190430
Personally I feel Jade Reader is ugly and not enjoyable to read with, I use Moon Reader+. The look-up feature is inferior but it works and in every other respect it's better.
Also I recommend the Kokoro Connect LNs, they're great. See the CoR.

>>136190953
link?

>>136191164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWkFOYy5iMQ

>>136190953
やぼうございますわ　
おくそでいらっしゃいますわ

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Which of these beautiful Jap qts would you try to impress with your amazing language learning skills?

>>136191291
so many of these girls are genetically 50% korean

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These three, they seem like a fun bunch.

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>>136191291
what part of 3DPD do you not understand

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>>136191291
wow

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>>136191474
this girl are fine to me

>>136191291
黒髪ばっかw
ありんこみたいじゃん
踏み潰したい・・・

>>136191637
They look like ghouls.

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>>136191291

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https://youtu.be/-347pnfpEp8?t=429

What happened to the JALUP forums? It seems to have been erased from existence.

>>136190140
Then you don't pay much attention, tard boy. Their handwriting recognition is pretty much the best.

>>136191180
ah yea kirby

>>136189789
It picks up around level 3 or so. You never really get that many reviews. Your average WK queer would say that 150 is a lot of reviews.

>>136190821
The anki shilling runs deep on DJT.

>>136191291
Japs are ugly.

>>136192167
Most people are ugly.

>>136191291
>no ugly people in the crowd
God I feel inferior.

>>136191966
Fuck this fucking game, fuck edmund mcnuggies, fuck people that like this game, fuck indie devs.

>>136191291
this is Jap Land

>tfw you tell everyone you already know Japanese
>You don't

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Hey, anon. Could you please translate this for me?
Godlike mode: guess the anime.

シ一ケンス

>>136192280
>screenshot contains the anime name
>proposing to guess it
Goddamn it.

>>136192280
I don't watch anime, sorry.

>>136192276
Why would you do this? I actively hide the fact I'm learning.

>>136192216

There are some QTs in the crowd, but most of them are pretty ugly.

>>136192280
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/シーケンス

>>136192216
>no ugly people in the crowd
Are you blind?

>>136192349
>http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/シーケンス
Damn. I was sure Vale fucked up translating this one.
It doesn't make sense, not at all. Tape 01 would make sense, side 01, part 01, but sequence 01?

I'm confused.
Thanks nevertheless.

>>136192334
It feels just as good as actually learning.

>>136189767
Yeah, it runs at a sensible pace for your own benefit.

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>>136192280
>一

>>136192246
Super Meat Boy is the best high difficulty focused platformer ever made.

>>136192334

>go to Japanese restaurant
>don't even mention your Japanese studies when Japanese people might be listening in
>find yourself deliberately pronouncing dishes as gaijinized as possible

One of these days, I'll work up the courage to actually speak Japanese.

I'm sure that most of them wouldn't give a learner shit, though. I've had early-level ESLs approach me, and my thought is that it's nice that they're learning English instead of isolating themselves in their little foreign parts of town.

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>>136188731
Thanks heaps for recommending Evenicle, I just started it and so far it's amazing.

>>136192483
They are probably Korean or Chinese anyway.

>>136192483
>find yourself deliberately pronouncing dishes as gaijinized as possible
Iktf
Any Japanese proper noun at all I find myself pronouncing super American just to make sure no one thinks I'm a weeb.

>>136192548
"I want to stand up but I don't think I can"?

>>136192699
What? Where did you see "stand up" in there?

>>136192833
Don't be a dick.

>>136192571

Nah, I can understand parts of their conversations where they talk among themselves. Except for the one that actually is staffed by Koreans, where I can't understand a thing that they're saying when they talk among themselves.

There are actually a fair amount of Japanese people out here. They ARE greatly outnumbered by Chinese and Koreans, but they're significant enough that written information deemed important enough to be given bilingually tend to include Japanese alongside Chinese and Korean.


>>136192686

I don't care if people know that I like anime and Japanese games. Shit, if they ask, or if it becomes relevant to the situation, I'll tell them.

However, having to demonstrate my Japanese would be pretty embarrassing.

>>136192548

>totally not Katsuragi

>>136192967
Itsuragi wa itsu desu.

>>136192864
>but they're significant enough that written information deemed important enough to be given bilingually tend to include Japanese alongside Chinese and Korean.
Do you live in an American city? Even in Seattle which seems to have a bunch of Japs I never see anything other than tourist stuff in Japanese.

>>136193006

Atlanta area.

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>>136191291

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>>136191291
I'll take the teacher, thanks.

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I think we figured out why manga and anime exist

「人間失格」はどれくらい難しいの先輩と家族たち

Am I the only one who actually enjoys writing Kanji?

>tfw you see a Jap and remember they aren't white.
Damn it, anime.

>>136193289
Yes

>>136193289
I remember my first day

Who going for /trilingual/ here? How long did it get for you to get a Japanese mode going on in your head?

>>136193289
I do, but I enjoy handwriting in general.

hey what are the good japanese youtubes to see

>>136193233
誰か返事しなさいよぉぉぉぉぉ

>>136193233
英語でおｋ

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I used to feel pressured to practice japanese to japanese people irl, especially girls. But, as you advance more in japanese, you can just talk with actual japanese people online no problem, so its not really that special anymore. Besides, im around a bunch of Japanese 101 weebs, just let the normies feel special by getting the attention of the japanese people while you're on the internet chilling. The japs are normies too. Just fuck em.

>>136193593
ごめん、意味不明です
我々は日本語を全然知らないですから

>>136193289
yes give me your working, uninflamed shoulder

>tfw you just hold down enter to blast past the cards you missed

Can someone explain to me what "WWWWWWWW" means in Japanese? I see it used often in comments over live videos.

>>136193884
ハハハハハハハハハへへへへへへへへへ

>>136193884
Japanese keking.

>>136193884
w -> わらう -> 笑う -> laughter

>>136193732
絶望した

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>>136193829
>Click Tools
>Click Skip Today's Reviews

>>136193970
I could get used to doing this every day.

>>136193593
すまんえ
君がわかりますけど答えがしらない。