Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1375

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I always knew I had to work hard.

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>>136133649

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>>136133711
>anki

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Let WaniKani teach you Japanese.

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>>136133711

>>136133711
Why is the dude on the ground a wallet?

http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/files/2575_7069.html
Can Japanese people actually read these 旧字 works easily?

>>136133895
Hidden costs.

>>136133972
The only thing anki costs is your sanity

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>>136133895
No one can give you the answer, because they would have to admit that they visit /v/.

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>>136133872

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>>136133810

http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/files/795_43522.html
>easy
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/files/1749_19606.html
>what the literal fuck

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>>136133895
because time = money

but i suppose i could find the original...

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>>136133649
ｍｏｓｈｉ ｍｏｓｈｉ ｎａｒｕｔｏ ｄｅｓｕ

>>136106543
「こんばんわ」と「こんばんは」どっちが違うのか、妹よ。

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>>136134454
こんばんはににゃがつくと
こんばんにゃ
こんにちはににゃがつくと
こんにちにゃ

だいぶちがうでしょう

Quick someone recommend me a good compelling Japanese let's play, preferably a girl with an easy to understand voice and a somewhat small vocabulary

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>>136134775
>and a somewhat small vocabulary
You're barking up the wrong tree

>>136134798
What if anon has a thing for stupid girls?

>>136134798
Well the vocab part doesn't matter so much since lets plays arent going to have anything crazy in, but the easy to understand thing is important

>今が稼ぎ時なんで贅沢いってらんあい
I'm stuck on the なんで part.

>>136134890
なんで

>>136134841
Doesn't everyone love stupid girls? At least as a fancy.

>>136134890
食べながら喋ってるんだよ

「なので」のしゃべり言葉だよ
語尾は「らんない」のもぐもぐ言葉

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>>136134775
>LP

i want the subhumans to leave

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>>136135004
Who're you?

>>136135042
Nice autism

>>136135004
Thanks m8

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th-thanks, rikaikun

>>136135212
There's nothing more autistic than watching someone else play a game.

>>136134598
そうかもなあ。

>>136135307
I don't know man taking offence to what other people spend their time doing is pretty far up there

>抵抗するだけ苦痛するだけ

Is that like "Resisting will only increase your pain"? だけ is usually like "only", but that doesn't seem to fit here.

>>136135307
It's like the most normal fag thing you can do. You wouldn't know that though, you autist.

>>136134984
Love? No.
Want to take advantage of? Probably.

>>136135300
?

Hey, anon who created the "Wanikani fucking sucks" pack. I can't import the visualizing japanese grammar deck, it appears as I have it already but I don't. Please help, I seem to be retarded.

>>136135307
There's nothing wrong with watching a cute Japanese girl playing some game while getting some nice listening comprehension though.

>>136135475
Close and re open anki

>>136135475
Just use Wanikani, anon. Don't make this difficult.

>>136135307
It is nice if you can find one that reads all the text. It is like listening to an audiobook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTg9Mg2bunA&list=PLweFwXkjIt5g7bhknRhdI8Uf9D5RPJ6ah

>>136135427
>Is that like "Resisting will only increase your pain"?
Yea, I'm pretty sure.

>>136135620
Woo thanks anon

くぱぁ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUyRKacZCPY
>watching JOPs have to deal with shitty translations
This feels like karma somehow

>>136135457
>filename

>>136136025
Thought it seemed fine

>>136136385
>all dat missed nuance

>>136134262
What's going on here?

>>136135475
>I seem to be retarded.
Just surrender your money to wanikani.

>>136136025
>Harro misuta bea nais tu meetchu

>>136136448
There were major character orthography reforms at about the turn of the century (1900), I can't say more because that's about the extent of my knowledge. What I do know is that authors from before that time write very differently than those after the character reforms to the point where books pre-form tend to be re written with modern standards so they can be readable. I linked the same story twice - one written in old standards, the other re-written with modern standards. Despite the story, words, grammar, etc all being the same, one is way harder to read due to the old orthography. Interesting, huh.

In the past I had been using this version of core but deleted it. https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1604153549

The one from the CoR seems to be very different in stylization and card order. Was I using a fucked up version before?

>>136136831
Was the background yellowish? If so, yes you were. Was the background black? If not, no. Was the background anything else? No clue

>>136136831
Just a slightly different flavour, mate. It won't matter in the end.

きょうのえいたんごがないにほんご

>涙雨
???

>葬式の日は涙雨が降っていた
>On the day of the funeral it rained as though heaven were joining in our tears.

>>136136879

Light blue background. This feeling fucking weird because before it started me off with random ass words. Now I'm being shown 一つ and basic numbers.

>>136136967
Ok, yeah, that order was definitely off then. Maybe the option was set to "randomized order".

>>136136623
I took a class in Japanese at uni back in like 2001 (yes, old fuck here).

The professor was this tough-as-nails old lady who was teaching as an adjunct (she also taught law at Harvard).

She taught us the old forms for a lot of kanji, but the TA's would laugh and tell us after class "she's teaching you the way old people write, nobody writes that one like that anymore". Also apparently she was a westaboo and even in private with the TA's (all of whom are Japanese) she would speak English.

>>136137232
What does TA mean?

What kanji deck are you guys using on anki? I'm doing the All in ene Kanji deck - Heisig order.

>>136137382
>kanji decks
I want to learn Japanese, sorry

>>136137232
Seems like a cool grandma.

>>136133810
Brave warrior of /djt/ offering redemption and showing the path to Japanese fluency.

>>136134253
Servant of the Dark Mistress, come to lead us astray.

>>136137382

Learning kanji wasn't worth the time investment for me so I've just been using kana for everything. Don't bother.

>>136137382
Core

>>136137303
Teacher assistant, they help the teacher with recitations and stuff.

>>136137474
Might as well use romanji then

この言葉の意味が分かりません。

>>136137382
I'm using that except I'm putting cloze vocab on the front as cards mature / fail to phase out the reliance on keywords over time.

>>136137485
Stop enabling ESL retardation. The more things they can't understand the more likely they are to self-deport.

>>136137475
Which one? 10k with images and sound? I think I'm going to get that one.

Give me a vn to read that is action city and easy

>>136137519
>分かりません
>分かり

Lel pleb

>>136137691
Nukige are full of action if you catch my drift

>>136137691
>action city
Amatsukaze

>>136137691
I'm sorry you dumb ESL faggot but I can't understand your broken English.

こんにちは、私は私に意地悪しないでください、私はちょうどで収まるようにしたいGoogle翻訳を使用しています

>>136137552
>>136137790
Why are anglo beasts always so full of rage?

>>136137790
roses are red
violets are blue
you are nigger
fuck you

>>136137382
None. Listening practice listening practice listening practice.

>>136137813
Stupid smelly subhuman. Don't talk back to the Anglo masterrace.

>>136137711
What exactly is the problem with that?

>>136137920
Only plebs write 分かる, intellectuals use 解る or 判る.

>>136137576
2k then mining. Don't waste so much effort on an inferior collection of words like core.

>>136137793
Google翻訳は曲解であります

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>>136137964
どれが適切か、わからなかったら、平仮名で書いておけばいいとおもうよ。おにいちゃん

>>136138047
Don't talk to me.

>>136138163
That's rude, you know.

>>136138047
妹ちゃんが可愛い。付き合ってくれないの？

>>136138429
棄却

嫁ぐ
娶る
嫁に行く
縁付く

>>136133895
Steam (the video game distribution platform) has attracted this image >>136134060 as a response to their annual Steam sales, such as at the end of the year, etc. You know, when games are so cheap people feel compelled to buy shit without abandon. You know the madness of those Black Friday sales you see reported on tv around the world? Picture that, only the items don't run out and replace stupid poor people with stupid manchildren.

>>136133942
Easily would depend on the person but the Japanese education system does expose children/teenagers to 旧字 in their 国語 classes. You also have to take into account that this is their primary language and famous historical fiction and 旧字 pops up in different forms throughout the general population.
I suppose one may make a comparison to English and asking if English natives can read works by Shakespeare in its original context, easily. The comparison isn't quite the same but you get the drift.

>>136135300
Winning steak feels pretty good, man.

>>136135475
Post an image of what is happening.

>>136138743
You realize those are not all the same right?

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>>136139038

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>>136139606

>>136139606
>>136124157

>>136139692
Already did that, 3 times. Not that retarded.

>>136139749
Open up a new profile and import the deck then show us the deck there.
I took a screencap of what my new profile looks like after installing all of the decks as per instructed, for reference. Also, can you tell us the file name for the VJG deck you are using? The one I have is Visualizing Japanese Grammar.apkg and it is
>Size 260 MB (273,581,454 bytes)
>Size on disk 260 MB (273,584,128 bytes)

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>70% mature retention
>feel like shit, take fish oil pill
>next day
>95% mature retention
NEVER DOUBTING IT AGAIN

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>>136139907
Sorry, screenshot.

>>136139930
Make sure to try magic beans too.

戦後の検閲で消えた日本語

>和合

I updated the data for the kangxi radicals deck. Make these changes, if you want.

http://pastebin.com/nDDXYqeM

>>136139606
Wow, I didn't even realize I was missing a deck. I'm having the same exact problem. My Visualizing Japanese Grammar isn't importing.

>>136140169
Also, Everytime I close anki I have to upload like 200mb of data. I don't know what's going on.

>>136140147
>do 20 new cards a day
>check anki
>i've paused new cards for various reasons 11 days
>averages out to 13 new cards a day
>wasn't actually making way more progress than 10 new cards a day
feels bad

>>136140224
Well, I'm not having that problem. But, I just tested it on a new profile, and the "Visualizing Japanese Grammar" seems to be editing the "Default" deck instead of creating a new one.

Is that intended?

>>136140355
More new profile testing, and importing "Visualizing Japanese Grammar" only adds new cards to "Default." The cards I would guess came from the "Visualizing Japanese Grammar," but it's not changing the decks settings, like new cards/day and reviews settings, only adding the cards to the "Default" deck.

>>136139958
How do you delete the default deck?

>>136140618
I renamed the "Default" deck and imported "Visualizing Japanese Grammar" and it renamed it to default and added the cards to the "Default" deck.

Throw the dog a bone here. Help correct me.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10010369941000/k10010369941000.html

農林水産省は、ことしになってから寒い日が続いているため、野菜の値段は今月の終わりごろから、いつもの年と同じくらいになりそうだと言っています。

The ministry of agriculture says, if the days get colder then the vegetable prices should return to normal by the end of the month.

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>>136140767
というより、今年の日本の農作物は雨が多くて
野菜は規格外に育ってしまって出回らずに
市場価格が高騰するという変な事態になってるぽい

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>>136140731
Have a look at pic related. What appears to be happening is that the VJG was renamed after it was exported and exported without scheduling options. This means it will import as "default". That little oversight throws a bit of a spanner in the works.

>>136140952
They're withholding product to raise prices?

I dont get what you are saying.

>>136140767
I think it's more like "since the days have been cold since the start of the year..."

>>136141092
Well, it's not such a big deal that it's impossible to work around. Could use the original scheduling options and just edit the deck ourselves.

>>136141356
I forgot its 2016. Now it makes sense..

Otherwise how would the prices go down yet it was cold (and they explicitly state it was warm (last year))

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>>136141418
There are 66 clips and which average for about 5 or 6 minutes each. Given that I spread them out as per the screenshot. Unseen is the General tab which I changed the ignore answer count to 999 seconds.
The point of having them in a deck looks as though to provide a guarantee that the learner will at least be exposed to the videos and notice things not covered in the same way in the previously discussed grammar books/guides, going by what has been expressed in the readme.

It might have been easier if anon just added the clips in a folder inside the zip but then I guess that way they could just ignore them instead of being automatically shown them over time.

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Almost done with the first season of Sailor Moon.
Not sure if I will actually bother watching all of this, only really like the parts that have nothing to do with being magical girls

>only have 500 confirmed kanji memorized
>take a fish oil pill last night
>wake up knowing 6000 kanji

What the fuck?

>>136141872
Grow up.

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>>136141285
農場で大きく育ちすぎた野菜は捨てられる
それで野菜の値段が上がってる

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>>136141828
I hope you are watching it in English. The dub songs are 1000x better than the originals. I own two Sailor Moon music CDs with the dub songs.

>>136141944

grow up? lol i bet you're still a fucking virgin bro

>>136141765
Thank you for the settings! I was planning to just make some based on what I thought would work, but this is all the better. Regardless of the reasoning for why it's an Anki deck, I'm still glad it is in one. This pack has been really helpful.

>>136142030
Where do you think you are?

>>136142030
>I hope you are watching it in English
Where the fuck do you think you are?

>>136142003
ah.. hence why its a strange situation

>>136142003
Why would they throw away so much that the price raised instead of staying stable? I don't get it

>>136142238
Capitalism. They can only sell so much food. There's a limited demand. So they artificially limit the supply to match the demand, otherwise they can't make any money.

>>136142297
Why wouldn't they do that every year?

>>136142405
They do. They just did too much this year, on "accident", apparently.

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>>136142238
価格調整と、規格調整ってのがあって

>価格調整
>多く採れすぎて「来年の価格よりずいぶん安く売れてしまう」場合、売らずに捨てる。

>規格調整
>大きく育ちすぎて同じ値段の「来年の作物より大きく育ちすぎた」場合、売らずに捨てる。

>>136139930
I don't know if it's just placebo effect but fish oil seems to help my retention a lot. Not just with anki but in classes. Every now and then I'd have a day where my retention was very poor.. and invariably, those would be the days where I forgot to take fish oil.

also it helps with recovery in lifting. good stuff i think.

>>136142824
>大きく育ちすぎ
Ohhh holy shit, I just realized this means they grew to larger sizes, I was misreading it as they grew too much, didn't realize until I directly compared it to 多く採れすぎて. thanks imouto
>lots of rain in japan
>crops grow too large, would be more expensive
>because of this prices are higher, farmers throw a lot away
>since the weather is cold in 2016 the crops are growing smaller
>therefore the prices will lower again which is what the report is saying
Whew lad economics

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>>136143052
今年は秋が暖かすぎて
野菜はいつもより大きく育つことができました。

いつもと同じ大きさの野菜、少ない→売れる。少ないから値段高め。
大きく育った、売れない→捨てられた。

ということで、値段が上がってるみたいだね

規格外野菜（どでかい野菜）が無料で農家さんから届いたよ。

>>136143341
>大きく育った、売れない
なんで売れないのか？

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>>136143398
今年大きいのを１００円で売って
来年は普通の大きさだが、前の年より小さいのを１００円で売っちゃうと

「来年買う人」が損した気分になるじゃない。売ったらだめなの

>>136143465
なるふどね
ありがとうマルクス

５６歳の男性は「私たち消費者は野菜の価格が安いことはありがたいが、農家の生活を考えると一概には喜べない。異常気象が増えていて、農家の人たちは将来が不安なのではないか

Man if only the people here were so considerate, and dident take price as the bottom line.

>>136143553
>農家の生活
I don't know about Japan but like the vast majority of food in the USA is produced by mega-farms, you needn't worry about their livelihood seriously.
Though, I don't know too much about the subject, so fuck me probably.

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Okay I solved it, after importing the deck.
-Open Browse
-Select the default deck
-Select every card which is in the default deck except the videos (number 2 to number 67)
-Delete them
-Stick your fist in your bum with joy

>spent all day watching Japanese lets plays instead of reading

>>136142059
It is well put together and come to think of it I'm a little surprised that this wasn't done a while ago.

I've been using Anki for a while now so these things are intuitive, making it hard to relate to how people unfamiliar with the software would understand what happened. Do you think it is worth making a mega account and uploading the pack with the VJG deck set up so it won't import to default and potentially cause confusion for beginners?

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>>136141828
>only really like the parts that have nothing to do with being magical girls
Of course. Sailor moon was a subpar action show, but as a slice of life it was pretty great.

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>>136143553
要約すると「私は余分な金を農家に支払うつもりはないけど、農家は私のために野菜を作るべき」

身勝手だよね。それじゃなくてもアメリカにくらべて日本の農家は国の保護が段違いに少ないからお金ギリギリなのに。

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>>136143951
By the way, what would you change on my settings?

Sat down and started my first try in learning the 100 kanji required at the N5 level. Learnt 42, which isn't that bad. But then again I chose the easy ones which I'm too familiar with.

Better get started on the 600+ vocab to go along with that, welp!

>>136144077
>N5
Why does anyone even care about this? You could learn it in a week if you set your heart to it.

>>136135620
subscribed

>>136142857
Sounds like you are running your diet on a knife edge if a supplementary amount of omega 3 EPA/DHA can make a noticeable difference in that sort of time span. The only time I've ever noticed a lack of nutrition on an almost daily basis was the last time I did a MPSF, where everything which was being consumed was accounted for and calculated.

>>136144057
Cut one of the 10 minute steps and make the last one an hour.

>>136144057
All of my settings are tweaked to suit my study preferences and what helps me with retention. It isn't something I can generalise in good humour.

>>136143052
Where I live they sell raw vegetables by weight.

>>136144730
Isn't that the same with vegetables, fruit and meat everywhere?

>>136144730
What else would you do?
You ask for "1kg of potatoes" not "20 potatoes"

>>136144730
even then there are size requirements right? its not like you find very big and very small potatoes in the same batch

Simplicity in form.
Execution: Flawed.
Without skill or depth.
The human condition enters the art.

How many words of kanji have you learned today?

>>136144891
I dwell in possibility.

>>136144905
れい

>>136144905
epic bait

>>136144905
Grow up.

全く、ESLの餌は最高だぜ

>>136141872
>>136144905
>>136145141
Why are you so desperate to start arguments?

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鼇
鼈

>>136145337
Figuratively

>>136145337
http://desustorage.org/a/search/image/b237KuUc3jfLhLNkXAQrnQ%3D%3D

Anki reps first or reading first.

Which one you do?

>>136145398
I think you meant to do http://desustorage.org/a/search/filename/1449442973972.png

>>136145473
No I fucking didn't.
Stop shitposting like a retard.

>>136145398
Do you do this with every image you see?

>>136145502
So what you're basically showing is that other people have used that image? Nice job there, sherlock. Another anime mystery solved.

>>136143052
What, why does it mean

> grew to larger sizes

I also tought it meant

> grew too much

>>136145522
Why do you get butthurt when making a stupid post, only to have other people see that you've been making even more stupid posts?

>>136145526
>So what you're basically showing is that other people have used that image?
No, what that shows is a sample posting history of the anon/you.
How about you stop shitposting like a fucking retard, learn to sage, or don't post at all. This thread has enough mindless attention whores and shitposters at it is.

>>136145526
>deflecting this desperately
Get a trip.

>>136145612
Why ever mention saging when it inevitably becomes a discussion about sage being useless or not.

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>>136145612
>No, what that shows is a sample posting history of the anon/you.
You have to use the filename for that, retard, and even then it's not objective, only more accurate.

Next.
>>136145682
>Samefagging
Kill yourself.

>>136145612
I don't think you understand what searching by image MD5 does, anon. Unless you're pretending to be retarded? Save his image and go post it in another thread on /a/ and wait a bit and it'll show up in the link to the search results you posted.

If you want to see his posting history, you search by image name assuming no one else saved it from the same post, he didn't change the filename, and no one else copied their filename for some reason.

>>136145682
I'm not that other guy, he's just a retard who doesn't know what searching by image MD5 does.

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>>136145612
>learn to sage
Kill yourself, sageposter. Preferably painfully.

>>136145717
>and no one else copied their filename for some reason.
If you download images a certain way with 4chan x it automatically restores the filename.

do any nips use twitch?

niconico is trash

>>136145839
Yeah, there's that too. And the feature that randomizes filenames to a random timestamp whenever you post an image, just saying that searching by image MD5 doesn't do what he thinks it does. Image name is more accurate for stuff like that and even then it isn't really conclusive.

>>136145862
My cousin uses twitch and so do some of his friends.

So yeah, I think they do too.

>>136145110
>>136141944

Big bad adult currently present in the thread don't offend him or he might call you a kid.

>>136146059
Hi, kid.

>>136142824

Fuck am I retard with economy

Better stick to my nip studies

>>136146086

Ow, meanie!

>>136137964
>Japanese newbie uses kanji which look difficult for the sake of it without realising they have different connotations with the simpler ones

>>136145438
anki

>>136146175
I've read many novels where 分かる was written as 判る literally EVERY SINGLE time.

>>136145992
Who gives a shit about your cousin and his friends? We're talking about Japanese people here.

>>136145438
I tend to put off the last of my anki reps until 1 or 2 in the morning.

>>136145438
Anki is the last part of my morning routine, that way the rest of the day is enjoyable stuff like reading or watching anime.

>>136143987
It is capitalism.

Anyone else taking classes right now? Do you think there's a respectful way to explain to the teacher that it's hard to imagine a less efficient way of teaching the language and that it's a little frustrating that 90% of what we do is inane, useless bullshit?

>>136148044
What are do you do in class?

>>136148088
Obviously it's time for me to go sleep

>>136148044
Maybe you should keep your know-it-all-ness to yourself?

>>136148088
For example, today we spent 30 minutes going around in a circle having each person repeat a different vocabulary word and a sentence containing that vocabulary word.

>>136148182
I try and I don't want to act arrogantly, but I'm really starting to become frustrated with the class.

>>136148224

School is a game. You aren't there to learn, you're there to say you learned. I'm sure the teacher is well aware and doesn't give a shit. If they tried to teach actual Japanese I'm sure 90% of the class would be too retarded or not have enough motivation to continue.

>>136148044
I've always wondered why this is the case. It's not like the knowledge of how to properly teach languages isn't out there, and it's blatantly clear just how little progress is made in such a long period of time. So why don't the relevant authorities revamp the language learning system to actually, properly teach the language? Are they too lazy? Too ignorant? Do they just not care, since they get paid regardless? It's such a huge waste of people's time and resources the way it is now.

>>136148343
You can't test natural language acquisition.

>>136148343
I think it's the case that the way we teach languages in classes is just the way we taught someone's first language.

That is, it's basically the same method we use to teach kids when they are learning any language, only a bit faster.

>>136148343
Pretty sure most language teaching classes are there just to teach you the basics of the language and keep it very easy and fun for the people learning

>>136148545
Even if that is the ethos, the problem is that this is not made clear to students. 18 year olds are basically being lied to by these academics and told that they will learn a language by taking courses offered by the department, presumably in order to get their hands on more tuition money.

What's the difference between が and を?

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I found a song that is pure gold, but I can't quite translate it because everything is in baby speak and no kanjis are given - my vocabulary is not that efficient yet and I pick only keywords up. Even though, it is really funny and I would love to know the whole bit.

Would DJT help me out?
The song is called "Mr. Policeman, hurry up, this person is a lolicon!".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU440caSIj4

Lyrics I transcribed from the Booklet:
http://pastebin.com/S4d2PF6Y

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>>136148970
That song is so cute.

>>136148970
上のハイハットっぽいクシャクシャ音と電子ピコピコ音を
他楽器に変えたらいいのに
救急車の音は良い感じ

声はなんかよーわからん

>>136148453
I think you're right about this. By nature of how funding and such work, education is forced to be results-focused, which means testing. The schools/universities and teachers are compared to and chosen based off their test results. So you have a "language course" that, in reality, aims to give students the ability to pass a certain kind of test, at the expense of actually teaching the language.
I guess the only real solution would be some prominent and distinguished academics/universities coming forward and publicly offering courses that actually properly teach the languages, and students who are actually motivated choosing these courses. Then, ideally, other universities/schools would be pressured to follow suit after the results of all these students graduating with actual ability.

>>136149142
As far as I can tell, dedicated language schools are actually pretty good about it.

>>136149199
Anyone been to one of these and can confirm? And if that's the case, for what reason are regular universities so shit?

>>136149342
Well, I went to one for German because my workplace was paying for it, and it was pretty good at handholding, but ultimately not as fast as if I would have learned it on my own I think.

Ultimately, it's very good at getting someone who doesn't know or knows very little about how to learn German, but if you had the resources and know how of how to learn the language, it would probably be somewhat inefficient if a bit easier.

>>136148970
Here. I'm giving up, this is what I came up with after a fair amount of effort:

Yesterday the teacher told us _ a suspicious person was spying on second-years
But ____________
I don't know if it is a bad thing

I thought about that thing _ ____________
Onii-chan prepared his smartphone _ you are so cute ____________
____________

If this is your(?) first time playing on a swing _ it is way more fun to do it like this
Press your back against onii-chan
Could it be!? That! It's that, isn't it! That!
Could it be!? That! It's that, isn't it! That!
(Siren sounds-!! Illegal use of your hands)

____________ ! Mr. Policeman, hurry up!
____________ ! This person is a lolicon!
[Siren sounds] ! Mr. Policeman, hurry up!
[Siren sounds] ! This person is a lolicon!

No, my intention wasn't to...! ____________

>>136149342

University language classes:

-four hours per week
-bogged down by education politics; fear of scaring away lazy faggots encourages them to keep the workload light


Language schools:

-15-20 hours per week
-serious courses for serious learners, i.e. businessmen who's careers depend on not fucking it up

Independent studies > language school, though. Unfortunately, language schools still fall into the same trap of using shitty methodology to teach languages.

>>136149559
Jetzt kannst du ganz gut Deutsch sprechen? Oder nur ein bisschen? Hast du, zum Beispiel, deutsche Buecher geliest, oder mit deutsche Leute versprechen?

>>136148970
http://pastebin.com/DWXUp93z

>>136149977
Hahaha, it's great. Thanks a lot, anon. I shall study the translation as well, I already understand some mistakes I've made here >>136149728.

>>136149838
More than enough to survive, and probably read some low-to-mid level books. But hardly enough where I would consider myself "fluent." Somewhere in between a 10 to 12 year old in vocabulary, save for specific subjects related to my occupation, I would think. If I had transferred to the department that I took the classes for, I imagine I would have retained information better.

Also, listening/speaking was emphasized much more than reading/writing. Which is something that probably did help having someone in person for.

>>136150129
And how long was the course for?
I did German back in high school and it took 4-5 years to get to about that point, which is ridiculous.

>>136150224
Not that person, but high school language courses are a damn joke.

How / where can I download anime in japanese with japanese subtitles?

>>136150256
my spanish teacher taught us nearly nothing and flunked half the class, the dean stepped in and passed everyone

>>136150224
I'm not sure exactly. I think it started some time during the early winter and ended some time in late spring to early summer. About 5-6 months? It's pretty fast, in terms of picking up fundamentals. But after the basics are taught, it slowed down considerably, compared to the pace the class was going before.

Of course, learning German is relatively easy compared to learning Japanese.

>>136150256
I learned English mostly because of games, but school always helped me with grammar.
I went to school already knowing the meaning of things, so I just absorbed the "why" on the textbooks. Gave me a little more structure to organize my outsourced knowledge.

That is the only way I see for these weak school language classes to benefit someone.

>>136150256
Having done one, I'm aware of this. Complete waste of time.

>>136150338
I see, so a reasonable pace.
Although I don't agree German is easy compared to Japanese, having learned both myself I'd say they're comparable. German is easier to get started in obviously due to the alphabet, but learning to use the correct verb and adjective conjugations and articles is a fucking disaster and the giant pile of vocab you have to learn is equally large.

>>136150264
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

Most of the subs have to be shifted a significant amount after the OP, eyecatch, and ED though. They also might have errors here and there. I don't know if there's anywhere to download Japanese subs that are already properly timed to the video.

>>136150264
>>136150515
Your chances are bigger on dubbed-to-Japanese stuff, like Disney movies and whatnot.
But I'm not sure if they rip this kind of thing, being Japan so strict on copyright.

>>136150264
Search for Kamigami on Nyaa. Most or all of their releases have Jap subs.

>>136150515
Thanks, I'll give it a try. It's a shame english subs are easier to find that japanese one. I thought that the english subs were translated from a japanese version.

>>136150725
I'll look for it. Thanks

>>136150727
Most just do it by ear or fix up major TL errors in official English subs.

>>136150727
>I thought that the english subs were translated from a japanese version.
Original translations are done by ear. I do wonder if companies get a script in advanced and translate off that. But from the errors we see constantly, I doubt it.

>>136150766
They do and it actually explains some of the errors when things are (were?) translated solely from the script. I remember an episode from Daisuki where they mixed up the gender of who a character was talking to, which would have been impossible if they were watching the episode as well.

>>136150913
Interesting how little effort they put into it then. Is it really that hard to watch it as a QC? Or do they not get the actual video along with the script? That would be weird.

>>136151098
Schedules are tight, they probably don't even HAVE the animated episode ready to show to a simple sub translator. When it airs, shit's gotta be already set up.

褐色少女最高

>>136150515
they don't usually have errors. these subs are the actual closed captions (i.e., for the deaf). that's why they're "mistimed" -- they have holes where the commercials were.

>>136151888
俺の黒人

>>136151940
Ahh, my bad then. Was just saying that from hearsay since I heard not all of them were official closed captions and some were done by chinese subbers or something along the lines of that.

What's the longest string of kanji you've ever encountered in the wild?

>女学園高等部生徒会長

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>>136151888

Just a black nigger trying to learn Japanese.

To everyone in this thread.

What level is your Japanese at the moment and how long to it take to get there?

>>136152563
Can recognize some kana and kanji, 10 months

>tfw you nail your WaniKani reviews.
I'm on the fast track now lads.

>>136152563
Basic sentences/grammar, like 300 Kanji, kana obviously.

One month a year ago, a few weeks currently.

>>136152563

I'm just here to shitpost.

>>136152693
Goodness gracious!

>>136152674
So at some point in the next week you'll be traveling back in time about a year? Can you let me know the powerball numbers?

>>136152707

That was really cute.

>>136152563
I can accurately read japanese wikipedia with rikai, a year and a half.

>>136152716
In my horrible phrasing, I meant that I studied a year ago, and restarted recently.

>>136134253
pls dont bully anime girls no matter their origins

Proverbs 18:15
An intelligent heart acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.

>>136152896
That's not an anime girl.

>>136138279
At least he's not a pedo.

>>136152915
if it looks like one you have to protect their smile still

>>136152563
- All kanas (learned in 1 week in 2009).
- A little, feeble amount of everything (absorbed throughout 7 years of irregular "studying").
- 580 vocabulary words (learned last month with ANKI).

Now I feel like I'm actually learning something. Core 6k will be finished by the end of the year and then I'll munch down some grammar. No rush.

>>136152939
I want to permanently erase her smile.

>>136152954
Are you Yotsuba-anon?

Well I feel stupid for using Core2k/6k over the vastly superior Core10k all this time. Never trust the CoR.

>>136153010
core10k is useless

>>136152563

About a year and a bit over in, still got ways to go but I can at least comprehend what the hell I'm looking at nowadays and recognize most kanji in common use instead of my eyes just glazing over immediately when I encounter text.

I fell off for a while at one point and it took me quite a while to refine my study methods, but I've found my stride now. Even that said, it'll be a long time until I can actually produce error-free text on any worthwhile level, but it's not a huge priority so I'm fine with it coming later.

>>136153048
It's objectively superior to Core2k/6k. I really wish it wasn't provided in the CoR. I'm sure half of the poor bastards in this thread are still using it.

>>136153081
Mining some remaining 4k words is objectively superior to using core10k's extra 4k words

>>136153081
meeeeeeeeeeeee

>>136153096
The point is that the order and presentation is better than Core2k/6k you dumb cuck.

>>136153081

>objectively

Stopped reading there, everyone on /djt/ is convinced their preferred method is "objectively" superior.

>>136153120
Do you have any idea how many orderings of core6k exists? I can name five off the top of my head.

>Everyone mad they've been wasting time with a shitty deck.
Qel.

>>136153144
>>136153144
Five.

>>136153120
You are literally retarded.
>>136153153
Kill yourself.
>>136153144
Original, Koohii, DJT, Kore

I've got four.

God will cleanse this thread.

>>136153122
Pretty much this. The best advice I can give to any beginner is to read the guide and then fuck off for a few months while they figure out what works best for them and only come back to talk about what they're reading, check for new resources added to the CoR/site, or ask quick and easy questions they couldn't find the answer to themselves.

Coming to the thread and listening to people just results in anons either doing methods that don't work well for them or unknowingly falling for shitposting and using bad/very slow methods.

>>136153205
Don't start shit.

I've been reading Japanese: The Manga Way for like two months.

>>136153222
I'm not starting shit, I'm just saying that the threads are fucking horrible if you're a beginner looking for major study method advice (i.e. not minor shit like anki settings / using custom study for forgotten cards and shit).

I'm not your ... typical Otaku.

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>>136152984
I'm probably not, the only Yotsuba-related thing I've ever posted around here was about the Yotsuba reading pack being very useful for a beginner. I was wrong, I retained nothing from it because no repetition. It's great for getting a grasp on structure/japanese logic of phrasing, though.

>>136153081
>>136153120
>objectively
>cuck
Meh, ignore the mememaster. He won't learn anything that isn't pre-package anyways.

>>136153370
I still found it pretty useful when I was starting out, but I only used the html vocab list since it explained some of the slang and puns that I had trouble understanding and was more convenient than typing out stuff to look it up.

>>136152563
Overall about 4-5 years
Vocab unknown but I estimate 5000-7000
Recognise most Kanji, can play a number of video games. When it comes to VNs I really need a texthooker though.

These years weren't spent on studying hardcore. In fact, in the last year I did almost literally nothing at all. It's my New Years resolution to learn 20 words a day and get to the point where I can comfortably read a VN without constantly looking words up by the end of the year.

I'm looking for some easy VNs to read. I've finished Hanahira (made me want to claw my eyes out) and am downloading Flyable Heart.

I saw someone on here playing Satsukoi - is there a download for that somewhere? I can't find it on nyaa

Any other recommendations would be great

>>136153908
>is there a download for that somewhere?
Generally just go to fap nyaa and paste the Japanese title (or part of it if the full title doesn't work) from VNDB.

>>136153908
>I can't find it on nyaa
Look harder.

Where is the video with the japanese ex tennis player in cold water telling me i can do everything ?
i need it

>>136154155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

You could have just typed in something like "japanese fishing inspiration"

>>136154178
thanks i tried "japanese tennis player motivation" and variations. was missing the fishing part i guess

>>136154178
>try to cheer up
>watch this video
>cant understand a thing
>motivation plummets down

>>136154212
Ah at least you tried then

The main part I remembered was that he was fishing for something, although it was actually clam harvesting so I guess not

Is nekopara's grammar easy enough for a first vn?

>>136154250
That guys talking speed and slurring is pretty ridiculous, you'd have to be pretty advanced to understand it

>>136154013
Doh. Found it. Thanks anon

>>136154292
Depends how much of a challenge you want, it's not that hard but it's not really easy either

test test

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Anyone have a link to raw Ore, Twintails ni Narimasu novel? Can't seem to find it in the guide. Also, what difficulty level is it? How much words do I need to know?

銀世界

Pretty nice word

>>136154498
You can find it. Anything is possible if you believe in twintails.

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おまえら日本語書けよ

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>>136154498
Why don't you actually buy the books you want to read?

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how did I do /djt/

>>136154762
Why don't you fuck off?

>>136154823
Too poor to buy ~500 yen books? You can get them used for around half the price.

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>>136154762
I would but I-I don't know how and where to order nip novels, I've read the buyfag guide probably 10 times and I still don't know which site to use. N-no bully, please

>>136154857
amazon.co.jp is shipping books / manga globally

Shipping is expensive as FUCK, but it literally takes 3 days around half the world because it's DHL express

>>136154857
Personally I usually just go buy them to Akihabara or order on Amazon.co.jp.

Bought RTK, effectively only use it as toilet paper now. Turns out you were right, anons.

>>136154850
>500 yen
Do I look like I live in Japan?

>>136154876
>bought

jesus fuck anon

even people who do like RTK will laugh at you now

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never foget daasuke

>>136154833
あーっ!!

>>136154909
Is that the Minecraft streamer who burned his　apartment down live?

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>>136154869
>>136154871
I know about amazon.co.jp, but the thing that confuses me is the conflicting info in the guide. It said something that only books that are marked with some tag can be shipped worldwide, then it said I need to put a japanese adress, but when I went to the site I had an option to put a gaijin adress. The only site I ever ordered from is bookdepository because it was the easiest for a retard like me to use

>>136154954
Not sure about Minecraft, but yes.

>>136154961
Well I have a Japanese adress where I actually live, so I can order things quite easily. Can't really help you with your issue.

>>136154954
yes mine cragt
not apartment

>>136154961
Enter gaijin address, amazon will tell you if it can be shipped to your address

the moonaddress is only used if you want to buy goods such as onaholes or figures via a proxy, not relevant for most books

>>136155020
It was an apartment building. The building was pretty much destroyed.

>Only two weeks until the new 妻みぐい game
Time for some last minute cramming.

>>136154987
Dis guy

>>136155046
one house

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>>136154987
>>136155032
Thanks for the help anons, I'll try ordering tonight when I come home.

>>136154889

Sold it to a weeb at 30 bucks, I'm such a jew.

>>136155137
The physical copy is very popular among normies.

>>136154961
A lot of third party guys won't ship to Burgerland, just keep trying. I really like Amazon.jp. Got the whole set of Berserk for fifty buckers.

>>136155104
Friendly reminder to learn English before starting on Japanese.

>>136155176
Actually I'm from europe, and I tried getting the whole set of HxH for around 30€ but it told me I couldn't. Recalling it now I think I couldn't order it since it was a set, I'll try it again tonight with one of the twintail novels.

I am Japanese

>>136155274
>europe
German here, hand me a link and I'll let you know if it can be imported to a yuroaddress

Imported from amazon JP before

Welcome to Japan - Episode 7 - Tottori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxyyBn7W3D4

>>136155326
I believe it was this one
http://www.amazon.co.jp/HUNTER%C3%97HUNTER%E3%80%80%EF%BC%881-32%E5%B7%BB%E3%82%BB%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%80%80%E4%BB%A5%E9%99%8D%E7%B6%9A%E5%B7%BB%EF%BC%89-%E5%86%A8%E6%A8%AB-%E7%BE%A9%E5%8D%9A/dp/B00007CFOS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452861159&sr=8-1&keywords=%E3%83%8F%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC+%E3%83%8F%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC

I'm from Serbia so it wouldn't surprise me if that's why it can't be shipped.

>>136155356
Can be imported just fine if you pick the 4100Yen set directly sold from amazon

>>136155356
>>136155379
It's sure is hard to look if the magical sentence known as
国外配送の制限： この商品は、日本国外にお届けすることができません。
is there.

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>>136155379
Really? G-gosh anon, I don't know what to say. I'll save up some money and buy it soon. T-thanks

>>136154961
From experience, honto.jp has less expensive shipping, although it won't estimate it for you beforehand.
cdJapan is very limited in its stock but you can always order from there too, particularly if you can't navigate an interface in moon too well.


On another note, does anyone here have experience with ordering second hand sets from Amazon? It's great that it counts it as one book for shipping and I've heard the quality is usually pretty good, but when all descriptions mention light sunburns and damage I get pretty scared of ordering them. And I've also come across some saying it's better not to order the set if one's concerned or nervous about those things.

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>>136155441
Delivery time to germany is 3 days

>>136155450
>when all descriptions mention light sunburns and damage I get pretty scared of ordering them.

Bought 4 second hand books recently, they had similar things mentioned in the sale descriptions, but in the end they're in pretty much perfect condition. Obviously that's just my experience.

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Roughly how long does it take to do the core 6k and actually retain it all?

>>136155529
Longer than it's worth taking

>>136155529
Depends on a lot of factor including your new cards rate and your overall retention for mature cards.

>>136145757
http://desustorage.org/a/search/image/B1eGHTlyvUoWCQhNY53Hng%3D%3D

>>136153010
>>136153081
They are both in the CoR, anon.

>>136153048
Core10k is literally Core6k with an extra 4000 common words with audio and sentences. It makes no sense to call it useless you are being a contrary shitposter.

>>136155529
>Roughly how long does it take to do the core 6k
Doing 40 new cards per day isn't that difficult. Then it'll take you 5 months.
>and actually retain it all?
Depends. Around the same time if Anki is doing it's job right.

>>136153170
>>136153144
There is no DJT index. If people want to understand the actual origins for the different ordering indexes of the Core/Kore decks, these thread will likely be more elucidating than a lot of the arguing in these threads:

http://forum.koohii.com/thread-11095.html
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-5091.html
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-4254.html
https://sites.google.com/site/ankinihongo/home/kore

A spreadsheet with the different indexes
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AscWM0WNU3s4dHE3R0M0VG5JMndrMEpiNTdnRjhtYnc#gid=0

The default order in the most popular core2k6k/core6k deck, before it was taken down from Anki shared decks (the same which is used here, only with a superficial colour scheme change) is actually nukemarine's (koohii member) i+1 reorder which is based on the above spreadsheet.