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>>135707387

It's from a VN. A previous adeptation, Total Eclipse, wasn't well received on /a/, I think.

I enjoyed it though. Looking forward to this one too.

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>>135707387
I think only /ak/ gives a shit about German communists. But they get turned off by giant robots. And I think /a/ got turned off this particular brand of edge by Akame ga Kill.

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/k/ here.

Looking forward to see how they do the 1st chapter. If they dont skip it.

>>135707387
Because it's not Alternative. I won't bother with any other Muv Luv animated titles until Alternative get its own animation which will probably be never considering that you have to go through Extra and Unlimited storyline before entering Alternative.

>>135707639

Why the fuck would they build fortifications? Fort and Destroyer class would reck that shit in no time.

>>135707387
Because people got burned by the previous anime adaption in the franchise, Total Eclipse.

>>135707639
Skip what?
It's pretty certain they'll show all the major battles

>>135707689
>The concept of deep battle was not just offensive. The theory took into account all forms of warfare, and decided both the offensive and defensive should be studied and incorporated into deep battle. The defensive phase of deep battle involved identifying crucial strategic targets and securing them against attack from all directions. As with the offensive methods of deep battle, the target area would be identified and dissected into operational and tactical zones. In defence, the tactical zones, forward of the objective would be fortified with artillery and infantry forces. The outer and forward most defences would be heavily mined making a very strong static defence position. The tactical zones would have several defence lines, one after the other, usually 12 kilometres from the main objective. In the zone some 1–3 kilometres from the main objective, shock forces, which contained the bulk of the Soviet combat formations, would be positioned.

>The goal of the defence in depth concept was to blunt the elite enemy forces, which would be first to breach the Soviet lines, several times, causing them to exhaust themselves. Once the enemy had become bogged down in Soviet defences, the operational reserves came into play. Being positioned behind the tactical zones, the fresh mobile forces consisting of mechanized infantry, foot infantry, armored forces, and powerful tactical air support would engage the worn down enemy in a counter-offensive, either destroying it by attacking its flank, or driving it out of the Soviet tactical zone and into enemy held territory as far as possible.

tl;dr multiple layers of fortifications blunt the enemy vanguard and drain momentum opening them up to counterattack.

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>>135707387
>muv luv anime

>>135707689
Because that's all the Betas there are, amirite?

The description is actually pretty good: You cant fight an active defense against waves of million ayyliums. You have to build fortifications if you lack natural barriers, such as an ocean etc.

Fort and Destroyers are still killable by concentrated long range tank fire.

>>135707716
Skip the trench warfare and how an AK jammed kek.

>>135707788
>AK
>jammed
SKIP THIS

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>>135707810
Well, maybe the wartime produced MPi-K-74s were made of shitty low-grade sheet metal due to all the shortages.

One has to remember that humanity fought 20 years already by that time.

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>>135707748

I see, that makes sense.

>>135707753

I never said that retard. It's just that those two are most suited to wrecking structures. Fort class can whip through a cruiser with its tail.

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Some anti-BETA strategies common at that time:

Muv-Luv with no YAMATO DAMASHII? I'm sold

95% of the cast will die horribly.

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>>135707915

>>135707927
Its got DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLES! though.

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>>135707914
A Fort has how much range? A couple of hundred meters?

If you played the strategy game, which is quite an accurate representation of the MLA-verse in terms of appliable strategies, you will notice that concentrated long range 120mm tank fire could actually stop them, if TSFs flanked them and took out the annoying lasers and lesser shit.

pic remotely related.

>>135708099

How can I play that game anon?
I know Fort class isn't a major threat. My point was that destroyer/grappler class, possibly supported by laser class, can drive the troops off and then the fort class can walk up and smash up everything too big for the other BETA so they can advance.

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>>135707788
This scene from the PV is probably form the PoV of chomped MPi-K-tan.

>>135707639
The scenes in the PV are probably from the 666th's laserjagd from chapter 1. If they were to cut anything for time I'd assume they'd cut down on the scenes where NVA officers stand around in Cottbus and complain that the lasers aren't dead yet.

>>135707854
why is it called a MPi-K
it's not a fucking machine pistol

>>135707788
>trench warfare
Somebody remind me why the infantry are sitting in trenches on the Oder-Neisse line, when the BETA aren't firing anything at them that trenches could possibly offer cover from?

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>>135708293
this triggered my autism as well.

Maybe they are designed for Destroyers to run over them, expose their backs and getting an RPG/Panzerbüchse into their asses.

Dunno.

They needed more KPVs and Shilkas, tho, since the enemy in that chapter were basically all Tanks and Grapplers.

>>135708293
To protect them from their own Artillery firing short.

>>135708150
That game is named "Faraway Dawn".

You'll find it embedded in a spin-off VN.

>>135707387
>Somehow never caught my eye before because nobody seemed to pay it any attention

AAHAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!

ML is an unhypeable franchise

>>135708293
Like in all modern wars artillery is the biggest killer.

>>135707387

Why aren't there more porn of her

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We have had like 5-6 maxed out threads the past week. Are you being serious?

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>>135707387
>Nobody pays it attention

>>135708391
>>135708588
>>135708640
Must have glossed over those threads. In the Winter 2016 threads at the very least nobody seems to pay it attention (mostly people are watching Boku Dake, Sekkou Boys, Dagashikashi, and Phantom World.

>>135708649
There must have been another newfag wave since these kind of threads are popping up constantly.

>oh hey /A/ check this epic anime/manga nobody has discussed here before!

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Why cant mub-blub be more about the little guys doing the shit-work down there?

Why must it be always about Airforce jocks?

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>>135708649
Honestly if it looks interesting to you, just go read the Muv Luv VNs. The mainline VNs are all super solid.

This, however, is a low budget anime adaptation of a mediocre side story from the series. The last mediocre side story that got an anime adaptation, Total Eclipse, was a hilarious trainwreck of a show.

>>135708768
At least it'll be a blast to watch with /a/.

>>135708039
Pretty sure it's AUFERSTANDEN AUS RUINEN if it's DDR

est

>>135707387
it's going to be shit
Don't talk about that

>>135708704
Not everyone inspects each and every thread in the catalog all the way down to, like page 5. Most anons just check the top couple of rows and ctrl+f for anything that interests them.

Too bad the Stasi in this are more like the Gestapo or the NKVD than the actual Stasi in their prime.

>>135709089
War... War changes man.

I bet if the Cold War went hot and the world still wasnt reduced to ashes, but instead it came to a prolonged attritional war with conventional means, both eastern and western armies would have their own NKVD variants to deal with mass-desertion and detoriating combat morale.

>>135708864
There is a reason I said Deutschland über alles, anon, I'm perfectly aware that the DDRs Anthem isn't the Deutschlandlied.

>>135709145
It should still be Auferstanden aus Ruinen if it's post-ww2
I really like that anthem.

>>135709188
Rance likes it too.

>East Germany

So they all speak with a comedical Saxony dialect?

>>135709225
It could be worse.
They could be swiss

I want to see tanks

>>135709089
Well to be fair they only became like they are in SM because of one guy's clique taking it over. Now it has legit sadists who love sexually torturing little girls and watching babies' skulls being smashed with rocks.

>>135709225
http://youtu.be/e_s_iZBZJWE

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>>135709225
Would be kinda cool desu.

But I guess they are all East-Berliners. Only Iris seems to be from some saxon Junker-family.

>>135709139
But the interesting thing about the Stasi was that ~50% of the population were informants

>>135709225
And have names like Suzy Zapp?

>>135709301
It was really only a matter of time before Iris' family would get purged under glorious Gestasi. Christian noble family? Absolutely bourgeois.

>>135709307
this is why they were so extremely effective.

It's always funny to hear old Stasi members laughing about the BND and CIA, saying that they literally knew every single spy in the DDR. Especially in that one recent book about the reveal of secret CIA-funded sabotage groups in whole of east europe, they interviewed Ex-Stasi people and they couldnt hide their amusement about the clumsiness of these groups.

>>135709307
I dunno, I think what was really cool was how much the Stasi could accomplish without resorting to crude tactics like punching out your teeth, instead secretly destroying victims' lives from behind the scenes and driving them to depression.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

>a systematic degradation of reputation, image, and prestige in a database on one part true, verifiable and degrading, and on the other part false, plausible, irrefutable, and always degrading; a systematic organization of social and professional failures for demolishing the self-confidence of the individual; [...] stimulation of doubts with respect to perspectives on the future; stimulation of mistrust or mutual suspicion among groups [...]; putting in place spatial and temporal obstacles rendering impossible or at least difficult the reciprocal relations of a group [...], for example by [...] assigning distant workplaces. —Directive No. 1/76 of January 1976 for the development of "operational procedures".

>>135709393
Dunno if they count "Inoffzielle Mitarbeiter"

>>135709446
Yeah, those guys had finesse and were competent. Something the incompetent German intelligence agency of today could learn from, when shadowing islamists.

>>135709393
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Intelligence_Service_(Germany)
>During the early 1960s as many as 90% of the BND's lower-level informants in East Germany worked as double agents for the East German security service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptverwaltung_Aufklärung
>A famous example of such a recruitment operation was Gabriele Gast, who committed herself in 1968 as a student and rose to the rank of Regierungsdirektorin (Government Director) in the Bundesnachrichtendienst (Federal Intelligence Service), the foreign intelligence agency of West Germany. As a high-level source, she was led by Markus Wolf personally

It's utterly hilarious how thoroughly the Stasi penetrated the BND

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Anyone else here read the BiS translation yets?

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>>135709252
I love Ketchup. He's a stud, and a real funny guy to boot.

>>135708649
>Boku Dake, Sekkou Boys, Dagashikashi
Why would anyone watch those

>>135709714
What BiS translation?

>>135709954
Aniplex money, memes and meme grill.

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>>135709954
Shit taste, maybe. After all, 9/10 experts agree that Heinz Ketchup is the best additive to your anime watching experience.

>>135709665
>>135709560
>>135709446
>>135709393
>>135709307
And yet they lost the Cold War.

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>>135710023

The wiki is working with the Chinese translation team to get BiS translated into English.

http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Zero16004/Bernhard_in_the_Shadow_Translation(Engrish_version)_ch01

>>135709954
>Boku Dake
This actually looks interesting though.

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>>135707749

>>135709301
Isn't Inghild supposed to be from an old Junker family? Her family name (Bronikowski) is supposed to refer to this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_von_Oppeln-Bronikowski

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>>135707387
>Hot villains
Hotter than a fucking supernova going off in my pants. Sexiest 2D babe ever.

>>135710233
She is, and she was discriminated her whole life because of it.

>>135707387
I hope there's some version of Auferstanden aus Ruinen in there. I mean, if Rance had so many why not this

>>135710085
>J-C-E translation
>by a J-C translator instead of a C-E translator

>>135707387
Because people expecting for Alternative adaptation, but Age won't allow that so you'll only get the side series, also SRW never.

>>135707387
It's shit.

>>135710323
>spoiler
That's a good thing since SRW is shit

>>135710323
I really should get to reading Alternative

>>135710323
The Alternative anime boat probably sailed long ago. There were plans for one IIRC but the deal fell through. And now Alternative is ten years old and there probably wouldn't be much money in adapting it.

>>135710085
Why is Iris so jelly/defensive over Beato? She won't even give Jürgen the name.

Also, Jürgen's extremely offbeat, but still manages to be way more likable and funny than Theo. I don't see why people were calling him a Mary Sue when his hobbies include trolling/weirding out Iris and sneaking into middle/high school swim meets that he had already been invited too.

>>135710317
Zero's been translating for half a decade now, and translated TE and SM into Chinese. I'd trust his translations over many others.

>>135710269
Legitimately one of the few times where I really fucking wish the villain would win.

>>135710507
>Zero's been translating for half a decade now, and translated TE and SM into Chinese.
Yeah, into Chinese, I'm sure his Chinese is better than his English

>>135707387
>why isn't there more anticipation for this on /a/?
Because MuvLuv anime.

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>>135710649
Yeah, his Chinese and Japanese is way better than his English, but at least he's getting help. This is the best we're likely to get, as the ML Japanese communities are being very coy with helping the foreign communities (what with 80% of it being shitposters nowadays).

>>135710640
Beatrix did nothing wrong and is best gril.

>>135710640
Well when the "hero" is fucking Theo of all people, its tough to be a moralfag over this.

>>135710640
She's one of the worst human beings ever imaginable, but goddamn if my dick doesn't love her.

>>135707685
>>135710323
>>135710454
Speaking as English only pheasant, I'd prefer anime of sidestories than of Alternative, because Alternative is translated but the side stories never will be. Also Alternative is really long and draggy and the pacing would be really janky in anime form without substantial rewrites.

>>135710799
Theo's a good guy. Katia deserved to get beat up and nearly choked to death by him.

>>135710814
The fact that she is that horrible only makes my dick even harder.

11/10 would commit crimes against humanity with.

>>135708768
>generic boring high school haremshit romcom
>super solid
nope. Reading the VNs poses the problem of having to suffer Extra twice. Sorry, but not many of us can do that

>>135710799
Theo did nothing wrong

>>135710908
Thank fucking god for auto skip.

>>135710799
Only Beatixfags and Lisefags hate Theo. He's only doing what any of us would've done in his situation, and he has 10/10 taste when it comes to girls.

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Fuck the extremely vocal haters. Theo a best.

>>135710961
Too bad I already uninstalled it and decided not to install it again after I was told by multiple muv luvfags that Extra is mandatory for the full impact of Unlimited and Alternative

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>>135711090
Just the best.

>>135710877
>>135710814

>But taking it as a whole (BiS), she's just as flawed and relatively human as the others we're supposed to be rooting for in Theo/Iris/Katia.

>Objectively, I feel Beatrix did have some legitimately noble intentions, but did not have the means to really carry it all out, resorting to using what she had at her disposal.

>Indeed, the similarities to Yuuko are there, where she was focusing on the big picture, beyond the immediate conflict. However, Beatrix didn't have a time-looping assistant, or was a time-looper herself, and wasn't as brilliant as Yuuko, so she couldn't force her own way without having to play by the rules of the Stasi (unlike Yuuko, who was able to bully the UN around enough to get her plan funded and completed in at least one loop).

>Basically, being Beatrix is suffering, more so than Irisdina or Katia or Theo (only Lise would be suffering more). She has to climb the Stasi ladder based on what she does, due to not being super special. She has no one to really support her; her boyfriend and the one man she ever confided in is dead, and while friendly with her squad, she still seemed to have a certain distance, as if she couldn't trust them with her own plans out of concern of having it reported to Axemann, and lose whatever immunity she's had to Axemann's indoctrination as a result.

>She also killed the head-stasi responsible for transforming the stasi into a haven for sadist, was the only one still trying to hold the BETA back during the rebellion (while getting assaulted by NVA forces), and stopped the Frodo option from going through.

Sorry, but she's not pure evil; that's Axmann's role.

>>135711095
You only need to actually pay attention once. Then you can just autoskip through the second time to unlock Unlimited and continue from there.

>>135710323
Putting even a single Gundam or VF into Alternative's world would immediately break the setting because the Lasers become instantly entirely helpless in the face of such things as i-fields and pinpoint barriers.

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>>135710877
>Not joining the rebels and committing crimes against humanity with them.

Pleb.

>>135711090
Jürgen's better, despite being an Issei level perverted weirdo.

>>135711204
If I'm gonna be committing crimes against humanity either way I'd rather do it with Beatrix

>>135711161
>implying I can take even one playthrough of that shit
>implying I wasn't already tired of it before I was near halfway done
Sorry, MLfag. Not everyone can get through extra. It's so painful, that if I was made to choose beetween doing a single playthrough of Extra or dying, I would quickly choose death.
Extra is torture

>>135711309
>Extra is torture
It's not that bad if you skip the lacrosse arc.

>>135711342
It's bad from the beggining. I just can't take HS SoL haremshit romcom bullshit. I can't. It's tiring and boring
I don't even know what the Lacrosse arc is.
I don't even knoow

>>135711309
>>135711393
Just autoskip through the entire thing then if you're too much of a baby to suffer through Extra like everyone else.

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>>135711295
But the stasi only have Lise, Farka, and Beatrix. The rebels have Iris, Sylwia, Pham, Katia, Gretel, Annete, and Mirai, twice as many cute girls as the stasi.

>>135711594
Quality over quantity.

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>>135711612
> Beatrix<<Irix
> Lise<Katia
> Pham<ALL

am I the only one who doesn't think the sm girls are that hot? the te and yurofront girls are way better.

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>>135711693
>Cast full of Aryan Goddesses
>Iris for the purityfags, Katia for the imoutofags, Lise for the broke girl fans, and Beatrix as a catchall
>Go for the "Me ruv you wrong time."

I just don't see Pham's appeal maybe because I'm SE Asian.

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>>135711855
You aren't the only one, but you are in the minority if you don't think Iris and Beatrix are two of the sexiest babes produced by the franchise to date.

>>135711962
Aside from those two, I'd agree with him too.

>>135711962
There a larger res?

>>135711896
I wonder if Malaysian government is stealing from the defense budget in Altverse?

>>135707387
How many Beatrixfags are going to flood the community when the anime comes out? It's already looking like she won the preemptive waifu wars, despite getting all of two scenes in the VN and the vitriol of Irisfags.

>>135711896
Her tits are nice. But so are Beatrix's and Iris' so really that doesn't say much.

>>135712241
They are all dogshit compared to Beatrix's

If the anime doesn't spawn a lot of Beatrix doujinshi I will riot!

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>>135712192
Yeah, but you have to deal with a more obnoxious "Sample" overlay. Unfortunately, there just isn't as many Irisfags in the Chinese and Western communities as Beatrixfags, so that means less scans, and the scans we do get just aren't as good.

>>135712234
The waifuwar will be like hell. Shitposting everywhere.

>>135712417
It's gonna be amusing.

>>135712337
Beato has the largest breasts, hips, and ass (it was closer in the LN, but the anime really went crazy with it even as they gave Sylwia breast reduction surgery and narrowed Pham's hips).

She's also ,despite Iris getting compared to Aphrodite, an Angel, and a naughty magazine model, still acknowledged in text as the most gorgeous woman in the whole cast (if not Germany), to the point where even Iris was jealous of her looks in BiS.

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>>135712604
Wrong file.

>>135712604
She actually has the biggest tits? Looked so close I couldn't really tell.

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>>135712681
Sylwia and Inghilde used to be the biggest, but then they shrunk those two in the VN/Anime redesigns. Beatrix is now pretty much the undisputed titty monster of SM. Hell, even as a 14-15 year old girl in BiS, she'd still give many of the adult SMs a run for their money.

How actually safe is Australia from BETA? Unlike America which has two oceans between them and the BETA, Australia is just a few island hops away.

>>135712879
Kinda wish they'd made Beatrix bigger rather than shrinking the others.

I can never condone shrinking someone's boobs.

>>135712913
>Murrica safe

Did you even watch TE? Bering straight is pretty much as easy to cross to Murrica as the island hopping from Indonesia to Australia.

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>>135713124
Her tits are already at maximum capacity. Any bigger and they'd stop being sexy.

>>135713323
I dunno, looks like there's still a bit more room to me.

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>>135712513
>>135712417

The Irisfags have been the only shitposters so far. Everyone else has been rather civil about the whole thing.

>>135712879
Good thing about Beatrix is that she doesn't have silly overdesigned anime hair like most of the other girls in Muv Luv.

>>135713174
At least Bering Strait is guarded by Russians and H-bombs. Australia is just guarded by SEAfags.

The only cool part of Muv Luv was the battle on the moon.

They should do that again.

>>135713420
But it's pretty fucking solid defense since baters moronically just walk down the narrow Malesian peninsula onto killing fields.

>>135707387
>>German communists
Communism is shit

>>1980s alt history
Wow alt history where the got super advanced how original

>>Giant robots
Again? May as well just add "Has more than 2 colors"

>>Hot villains
ok

>>Edge
not a kid

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>>135713419
Aside from the original trilogy, most of Age's girls have pretty reasonable hair designs.

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>>135713448

Schwarz is last real MuvLuv right? TE was horrible. I hear it get kusoge award in Japan. Kouki is hack now?

>>135713551
Even the non-Extra girls (and Kashiwagi) aren't that bad aside from the unnatural hair colors.

>>135713685
Why is it so hard to make a real Starship Troopers anime?

>>135713467
Not just a hot villain, the hottest.

Also, SM usually justifies the edge and uses it to humanize characters, unless you're Axmann, than it's darkly humorous. Theo is NOT portrayed as being awesome/cool for being an anti-hero, but pathetic and paranoid (why the audience hates him).

>>135713685
The VN is really good.

>>135713720
More like why it so hard to make Starship Troopers 2.

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>>135713720
Because it already exists (and is way more faithful to Heinlein's vision than the movie to boot).

>>135713764
>not super shitty quality rip when?

>>135710908
Extra is a decent romcom VN and you really only have to read 2 mostly identical routes
Unlimited is fun in my opinion.

>>135713803
Who are you quoting?

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>>135713685
He still has best tastes at least.

>>135711393
>>>/v/
I think you'll fit in better there

>>135713398
Do Beatofags even hate Iris? Most of the time I just see them defending Beatrix. The only time they are on the attack is when they are agressively shitting on Theo.

>>135713920
I don't really hate any of the girls.

>>135713764
>replacing the bugs with pink goo
>more faithful

That OVA was shit, and people need to stop recommending it.
The powered armor design was the only redeeming or memorable thing about it.

>>135713920
/m/ beatofags hate iris

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>>135713920
No, because most of us are Irisfags on the side. And everyone takes a shit on Theo (even if he is cutest boy). Katiafags don't like him because he abuses her and almost strangles her to death, Lisefags and Beatrixfags don't like him for obvious reason, and Irisfags don't like him because he isn't worthy of their waifu.

>>135713685
Well, Schwarz isn't written by Kouki.

>>135714082
>Theo becomes a James Bond villain
I don't know, man. He seems worthy enough to me.

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>>135713920
Her designs a little generic, that's about it. Her actual character is excellent, even if Theo puts her on a pedestal.

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>>135713920
Nah, she's alright, a bit too Naive though.

>>135714148
If you read BiS, she comes off as extremely possessive and jealous.

>>135714098
even VN version?

>>135714148
As a Deutschetunte, shouldn't you hate Beatrix, especially because she's stasi and all?

>>135714190
And isn't that a sign of Naivety, when in relation to her Older Brother?

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Eagle-chan is cute

>>135714228
Deutsch zu Sprechen =/= Deutscher zu sein, Anon

>>135714285
Yeah. Some of it, especially if the spoilers about her taking a shit on Beatrix and making her cry because Beato scored better at a (cooperative) swim meet, is definitely not just pure naivety.

>>135710080

No, they won.

The economic aspect of communism fell (because it fucking doesn't work), but the cultural one is the West's modern hegemonic ideology. It's just called "progressivism" nowadays.

You'd notice that being a nazi is the worst thing ever, but being a communist is perfectly OK (just look at universities) even thou commies killed like six times more people.

McCarthy was right, and he lost, hard.

As someone who did not watch Total Eclipse what went wrong with it?

>>135714355
Yeah, I know that. I thought he said he *was* a Germanfag in a previous thread.

>>135714401
>but the cultural one is the West's modern hegemonic ideology. It's just called "progressivism" nowadays.
So this is why the social state gets further and further dismantled?
That is why everything is focused on "free trade"?
We're full on capitalist you fucking moron

>>135714401
Being a social democrat (or at least being to the left on the economic axis than many of my Burger compatriots), I wish progressives focused on economic affairs rather than filtering everything through gender or race. It's income (and education level) more than race that determines discrimination in this country.

>>135714460
The capitalist ideology has turned commie, actually. Back in the cold-war, the West wasnt about spreading some sort of social romanticist ideology via revolution around the world - the East was.

Now look at all the "color revolutions" and "arab spring" and "moderate islamist" thing that the West like so much and spread via facebook activism and hard currency/weapons. Che and Khrushchev would be fucking proud.

All that, while the East now became like the old West: Conservative, pro-christianity, traditionalist and staticist.

>>135714460
>So this is why the social state gets further and further dismantled?

See "economic communism just fucking doesn't work". And it's not being dismantled, just barely contained so they can delay the social security happening a few more years.

>That is why everything is focused on "free trade"?

You'll notice that their "free trade" means "globalist do whatever they want to do, small companies and consumers be fucked". Just look at patents, copyright, etc. Free trade my ass.

>We're full on capitalist you fucking moron

No, the powers that be just discovered that cultural communism and globalist capitalism (in hands of a few enormous oligopolists) can go hand in hand. They're hell-bent on dismantling national identities so you can fill the emptiness buying more shit.

>News: Crunchyroll to simulcast "Schwarzes Marken" anime, "Muv-Luv Alternative" spin-off premieres 1/10 at 10:35am PT got.cr/1R9JvxI

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>>135714426
I've never claimed to be German, I speak German m8.
>>135714460
Modern "Social Democracy" is just the Worst of both Ideologies in one Package M8, it wasn't like that a couple of Decades back, but nowadays, its like this: Todays Right is Yesterdays Left, only that it sold its Soul to the highest bidder.

>>135714690
noice.

hope daiz wont sabotage this.

>>135714719
*only speak German.

>>135714730
>implying he won't be #1 responsible for cookie's assasination

>>135714655
>>135714665
this.

Gommunism was a wrong ideology, but it was based on the very core of western universalist thought which has its roots in all abrahamic religions.

Literally, they cant stop sucking their own cocks and wanting to spread their thoughts around the world like cancer.

>>135714583

But it's precisely through "identity politics" how they disabled any threat to their power.

See what happened at OWS when the feminists showed up.

Please tell me it won't turn into human factions fighting each other like in that other Muv Luv show. I just want to see robots fighting BETA.

>>135711962
Hnnng

>>135714978
well you're in shit luck because it's the underlying theme of the show

>>135714665
>See "economic communism just fucking doesn't work"
Are you retarded or do you actually think that western europe has "economic communism"
>You'll notice that their "free trade" means "globalist do whatever they want to do, small companies and consumers be fucked". Just look at patents, copyright, etc. Free trade my ass.
Well yeah that's the capitalistic wet dream
And don't even come with social issues I'm talking economics

>>135714797
Yeah, it is in the interest of the rich and powerful to enable these imbeciles. These guys are basically protest movement shitposters. Not only do they distract the opposition from legitimate arguments and issues, they provide a convenient means to strawman. We can't talk about the healthcare problem and the fact that American overhead costs are so high, or the fact that our ISPs use government infrastructure that we paid for to give us substandard and overpriced service, or the privatization of utilities without some asshole turning it into a personal issue.

>>135714978
Almost all the deaths in SM are at the hands of other humans.

>>135715053

well shit

>>135714978
Most of the anime, unless they rush the fuck out, is going to be Mechs VS BETA.
The humans are fighting themselves as usual, but not directly. In the first VN at least

>>135714719
>Modern "Social Democracy" is just the Worst of both Ideologies in one Package M8
Don't need to tell me about this.
My countries "Social" Democrats dismantled welfare and pension which was something the conservatives didn't even dare to try.
Well as a consequence they lost 15% and haven't recovered a bit

>>135714978

The whole fight against the BETA is much more interesting to me than humans fighting amongst themselves. The first episode of Gargantia was hella sweet for this, but then the show turned into an average SoL. Bummer.

>>135715093
>Yeah, it is in the interest of the rich and powerful to enable these imbeciles.

And they don't even hide it! See famous billionaires funding feminist, muli-culti, pro-immigration groups, etc.

Those useful idiots probably think they're sticking it to the man fighting the "patriarchy".

>>135714978
They're trying to both at the same time. The NVA are killing BETA while the Stasi keep watch over them and make sure nobody tries to desert their post and escape to the FRG.

>>135715087
>Well yeah that's the capitalistic wet dream

Yeah, the globalist capitalism of a few gigantic companies that own everything and compete on nothing. They care not for nations, culture, traditions or history, just money.

Not the national capitalism of each country, with its small companies, local markets and products, "freemen and yeomen".

>>135715131
The whole second half is about humans vs humans. Theodor directly penetrates Beatrix and caps Lise in the skull. Annete saws Farka in half even as she screams and sobs. Axmann shoots Gretel and Iris. Beatrix kills Schmidt, Walther and Sylwia.. Lise disintegrates Pham.

>>135715339
Tell me more how perpetual growth is going to stay "national"

>>135715376

Why does everyone start killing each other. Aren't they on the same team.

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>>135714401
Thread successfully derailed. Bravo anon, couldn't have done it better myself.

>>135714583
>>135714797
>>135715093

There's money to be made off of this, too. People like Anita are political arms dealers, deliberately stirring up conflict so that they can make money off of appearances on news channels, seminars, articles, and "consultation". She's smart enough to know that the underlying message of everything that comes out of her mouth is bullshit. However, where's the profit in peace and equality? Girls who aren't scared of men and don't have a victim complex won't tune into the Feminist Frequency.

Anyways, I really get the feeling that the big push back is on the horizon. 2016 itself might even be the year. The crybullies are louder, more powerful, and more lacking in meaningful things to complain about lately than they've ever been in the past, and people are beginning to take notice. The left wing news stations might not be as biased as you would expect, either. During that incident a few years ago with the neighborhood watch guy, CNN was more than happy to bring on people who talked about black on black crime as being the real issue without dragging them through the mud.

We need to be careful, though. Pushing to return the voice of men and white people to the arena can easily turn into the same bullshit under a different flag, moving to silence women and minorities in favor of their own self-centered drama. The scary thing is that /pol/ types tend to be too blind to realize it.

>>135715186
BETA are dumb and boring honestly, they're only interesting because of their influence on the setting, story and characters, not the fights against them

>Carnelian

Get ready for mecha NTR.

>>135715601
Beatrix and Iris have been trying to kill each other for a while.

Axmann's a sociopath who's playing the Game of Thrones when everyone else is just trying to survive.

As for everyone else, they're people, they all have different reasons for doing the shit they do. Both factions want to survive, but both can't decide how. In general, the NVA wants the wall down and a general retreat to the West, the stasi want to maintain an iron grip and a more controlled retreat. Into this mix you throw in subfactions (who even end up fighting among each other; certain rebels wanted to have Gretel tortured and shot because she stood up for PoWs, and Schmidt wants to martyr Beatrix because he sees her charisma, history with the Bernhards, and more globalist outlook as a threat)

>>135715613
>Theodor is the master
>Everyone believes this meme.

>>135715995
Its all a big coincidence, am I right?

Muv Luv will never have a OST track on par with Klendathu Drop.

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>>135716066
Purely coincidence.

>>135715903
Why are Irisdina and Beatrix so obsessed with murdering the other anyways? Is it because they're rivals, is it an extreme personality conflict, or is it something else. I see some of the other pics and it looks like they could've been friends.

>>135716166
But it already does?

>>135707387
wait is this muv luv? that suit looks like muv luv.

>>135716166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EDk5LZ5jIk&list=PLpNBAqfb7bPIow_uzEtjEjNUcsW0H5WL_&index=1

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>>135716366
You are correct.

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>>135713419
Best hair.
Best design.
Best girl.

So this is a spin off? I wont have to watch another season of something to understand this show right?

>>135716740
You are correct. If it follows the LN, they'll likely purposely leave parts of the story blank (so you can insert yourself into Theo's perspective better).

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Do I have to have read Unlimited and Alternative for Scwarzesmarken? I need to find the time to cut out of my schedule. Meiya a best.

>>135716791
Great, thanks /a/non

>>135716874
no

>>135716874
You should get to Ultimate.
It hooks

>>135716791
It's done by the KimiNozo director, so don't expect an absolutely faithful adaption. Looking at the PV, certain characters look way less sympathetic (hopefully, Beatrix and Iris are mangled as much as Mitsuki and Takayuki were).

>>135716874
That's not Ayamine

>>135716911
>are mangled
>aren't mangled

Though it would be very amusing if the version of Beatrix we got was basically the "watch the world burn" complete monster that the Irisfags have all been talking about.

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Iris=Beato>Pham>Lise>Katia>Kirke>Sylwia>Gretel>Annete>Inghilde

>>135716347
Read Bernhard im Schatten.

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>>135714070
We don't hate Iris, we just don't see as the perfect bastion of purity a lot of /a/ sees her as that's Katia's role, after all. Also, her design does nothing for us, not when you have Beatrix on the cast.

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>>135712234
>implying the masses won't all flock to Irisdina

Iris has way more appeal to most people than Beatrix. Beatrix is only popular here because of all the edgy shits 4chan attracts. She'll go the same way Esdeath went. A spike in popularity settling into anger as people gradually realize what they're waifuing, then a mass exodus to the other girls' fandoms. One day, saying "I'm a Beatrixfag" will be seen to be shitposting of the highest caliber in the same way "I'm an Esdeathfag" is in an AkG thread.

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>>135709139
>War... War changes man.

>>135707387
>Somehow never caught my eye before because nobody seemed to pay it any attention.
Because you're a newfuck that has never seen a muv-luv thread.

>>135708897
Fuck off, retard.

>>135717232
That looks fucking shit

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>>135718941
Beatrix and Sylwia still looking good, no matter the media format. Everyone else looks kinda off.

>>135718332
>Then the BETA came, and everything changed.

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Tama is my waifu.

>>135719080
Compared to the art book designs here: >>135716666 it's shit.

>>135708760
>Why cant mub-blub be more about the little guys doing the shit-work down there?
You got episodes 1 and 2 of Total Eclipse, and that's all you faggots deserve

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>>135708760
>>135719271
SM does cover it a little, especially the side stories. Steel Tombstone, for instances, showcases an elite tank squad.

>>135719138
Good to see nothing ever changes around here.

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>>135708760
>PLAAF J-11 Flanker
>PLA Airborne

It was said that the UFC did initiate a retake of the chinese mainland after the events of Alternative. Wonder how many UFC actually survived to undertake a counter-invasion of Beta-occupied territory (China did conduct a planned and deliberate evacuation in the 90s IIRC, but still, Taiwan's not going to hold a billion people...)

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Irisdina
23-year-old 172cm B93 W58 H87

-Liz
18-year-old 160cm B88 W57 H86

-Katya
15 years old 155cm B75 W56 H81

-Annette
18-year-old 163cm B81 W57 H81

-Gretel
20-year-old 165cm B75 W56 H80

-Pham
22-year-old 168cm B97 W64 H93

Still haven't seen the stats for the other girls.

>>135719791
Finallly, a series that doesn't cater to paedos

>>135719791
Welp, looks like that mad cowtits disease has become really infectious.

>>135719791
>If only rl germans look like this.

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>>135719791
I wonder why their with holding Sylwia's and Beatrix's measurements.

>>135719972
Yeah, it's weird seeing the two oldest females on the cast the most advertised and popular over here and in Japan.

>>135720087
>>135720121
Nomenklatura girls, man.

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>>135720040
Well, lucky for you SM doesn't discriminate when it comes to breast size.

>>135720087
If you dont want them in rl, Immigrant Jamal or that Erasmus-Student Hernandez will take them.

you know it to be true

>>135720287
Commissar best girl.

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>>135720333

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>>135720384

>>135720446
Too bad she's ruined by the glasses.

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>>135720333
It's kinda funny that she's a bigger threat to you in the VN (it doesn't take much to get her to shoot Theo) than Beatrix and the stasi are.

Meiyaa shit.
Chizurubest girl.
Extra best Muv Luv.

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>>135720572
She doesn't always wear them.

>>135720452
Commissar Homu!

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>>135720635

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Do Katiafags exist? Besides me.

>>135720572
It shows her knowledge of the Marxist Leninist theories!

>>135720673
>>135720635
That's better.

>>135707387
>German communists
>1980s alt history
I'm in.

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>>135720691
Hey, she's like 5th or 6th most popular.

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>>135720691
You guys got the New Year's pic. Age also loves advertising her, despite her not having that huge of a following when compared to even Lise.

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>>135720745

>>135720691
Is she a German Sunika?

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>>135720691
Katia is my favorite hands down and her birthday is this Thursday so we get her birthday picture too

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>>135720975
No, she's a lot nicer. She even apologized to Theo after he beat her up and strangled her. Prequel Gretel and Beato would be closer, as both of them are tsunderes with clownish boyfriends they're completely devoted to (though Gretel reminds me more of Chizuri).

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>>135707387
I don't know shit about Muv Luv but it's pretty obvious this girl is best girl.

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>>135721432
She's the main villain tho.

>>135721338
>beat her up and strangled her
Why does he do that?

>>135721541
because she called him out on his warcrimes.

being a political officer, she cant condone ill-disciplined practizes.

>>135721509
Can you talk no jutsu her? and marry her after?

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>>135721541
Cause he's paranoid and ruthless. He almost shoots her at the very beginning of SM just because it'd be too much of a hassle to bring her in. He found out her dad Dad had been a big name rebel and he got to thinking that if Beatrix traced it back to him, he'd be dead (he's effectively on parole for trying to emigrate with his family when he was younger).

>>135721732
You disable her machine, then force your knife into her abdomen and cut her in half as she screams if you follow the canon route.

>>135721625
I was talking about Katia, not the commissar.

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>>135721732
She already has a dead boyfriend to lust after.

>>135721848
Theo sounds like a fun MC.

>>135707387
>1980s alt history
What's different?
Paul volcker doesn't raise interest rates.
Jim Rogers better be in this.

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>>135721960
That he is.

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>>135721848
>>135722059
How could any man brutally destroy such a goddess? Clearly, the Master's greatest crime was not attempting to foil Alt IV or facilitating global terrorism, but depriving the world of such a perfect beauty.

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>>135721960
Im hoping the anime brings new Theofags. Its tough being a fan of an insane paranoid waifu killer on here.

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>>135721960
>>135722393
Theo's the best. I'd fuck him as much I'd fuck any of the girls.

>>135722218
She deserved an extremely gory and painful death though.

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What would her lips wrapped around your cock feel like?

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>>135712370
You should get those pitchforks and torches ready then; it'll likely all be Iris doujins.

>>135707788
AK's jam if they're not maintained just like every other gun.

>>135722629
Bags of sand

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>>135722629
Salty bag of milked coins, unlike the smooth feel of silk from the handjob wizard.

>>135722629
its a fucking cartoon you idiot, it is not real

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>>135722822
Here's the HD version, mate.

>>135722834
She's real in my heart.

>>135722834
Where do you think you are?

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I can't wait loads of cuties to die horrible deaths.

>>135722629
You'd cum before her lipstick even smeared itself on your phallus.

>>135723033
I'm just waiting for all the R-18G fanart on pixiv.

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>>135723033

>>135723089
>>135723033
Bearix penetration scene when?

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>>135723033

>>135722573
Why not a Miel or Bishop style fucked senseless end?

>>135722393
He will probably get quite a few fans in the west
Also, since we are repeating SM with our beatofags vs irisfags war, are the katiafags our subordinates?

>>135723635
Is she ok?

>>135723731
Is just a dream. Nothing bad will ever happen to her

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>>135723647
I have no idea who those two are, but I don't think you get any more fucked than Beatrix. Theo overpowered, and then so completely penetrated and stirred her insides up that she died afterwards.

>>135723981
Theo is a stallion

>>135720691
Katia best girl. Cant wait to see her funny scenes animated, especially the one where Theodor imagines her serving beer to faceless generals of both East and West Germany.

Schwarzesmarken is so good, Total Eclipse cant even compare to it.

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Is losing your waifu a good enough reason to be come a terrorist?

Iris wasn't even that good of a waifu or person for that matter.

>>135724201
>Is losing your waifu a good enough reason to be come a terrorist?
Yes it is
>Iris wasn't even that good of a waifu or person for that matter.
Get the hell out of here.

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>>135724064
Theo's a best. Kills sexy evil stasi ladies and waifus best girls.

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>>135724201
>Is losing your waifu a good enough reason to be come a terrorist?
Yeah

>>135724201

>Iris wasn't even that good of a waifu or person for that matter.

Why would you say that?

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How can Irisdina be so pretty yet so sexy? Even the so-called sexiest real-life blondes, i.e. the supermodels are all a bunch of butterfaces like Claudia Schiffer.

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>>135724192
As a Katiafag, what do you think about this whole Iris vs Beato war? Is there really a right side?

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>>135724424
I actually think Beatrix is hotter. Here's an HD CG version of your pic anyways.

>>135724424
Lise says she looks like a model out of one of Theo's porn magazines. Beato is still hotter though, as even Iris was jealous of her looks in the prequel.

>>135724534
The only side in the right is the one that protects Katia smile. Any others are the enemy and should be destroyed regardless of them being BETA, MiG-23 or whatever.

>>135724594
Irisfag here but yes, Beatrix and Sylwia are the sexiest girl. Iris and Circe on the other hand, are the most elegant

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>>135724715
But everyone wants to destroy her smile.

>>135724715
No time for that, katiafag! We have TEfags incoming. Go with >>135722526 to intercept them!!

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>>135724721
Elegance is debatable (they basically came from the same social strata). Iris does do a mighty fine job of looking elegant while sipping tea out of fine china, I'll give you that.

>>135724845
Both are elegant and sexy, but just as Beatrix is sexier, Iris is more elegant

>>135724770
Gretel and Sylvia are huge cunts, how they dare slap Katia? And more than once too.

>>135724935
Pretty much this. They both have their own merits and I think it's kinda pointless to hate either one since it all comes down to preference in the end.

Do you prefer the sexier one or the more elegant one? That's literally all it is in the end.

>>135724594
>>135724671
Black hair is shit. I want myself a blonde beastess.

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>>135724935
Yeah. Iris was noted as being a highly popular school idol when she was younger, vs Beato who didn't have very many friends until she met Iris.

>>135724987
Theo punches her in the face a couple of times and then tries to choke her to death. I think he's way worse than Gretel or Sylwia.

>>135724913
She has the best hair out of all the girls in this game.

>>135725056
Normally I prefer blonde hair, but there's just something irresistible about Beatrix to me. Her eyes, her expression, the way she carries herself just overshadows Iris' elegance and beauty to me.

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>>135724913
Ugh, that picture is so obsolete.

I'm thinking I'll take all my CGs, filter and organize them, then pack them into a rar and upload them all.

>>135725136
Beatrix is mistress material but Iris is for marrying.

>>135725096
Beatrix and Gretel with her hair tied back are the best.

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>>135725194
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

>>135725262
>Marrying used goods

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>>135725194
Iris doesn't even give Theo a kissu, even after he rescues her.