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>A series meant to poke fun at the concept of powerlevels and shonen clichés
>hurrr durr who would win, Saitama or Goku???

Why?
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Parody
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People are stupid, /a/ is filled with anime experts, there are several reasons, OP.
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The series itself has also become a standard shitty shounen.
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>>135673975
People can't accept there are characters stronger than their favorite ones.
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That's how retarded OPM fanbase is.
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>>135673975
It's pretty simple once you understand the maturity of the average DBZ fag.

>Saitama's gimmick is that he can defeat every opponent in a single punch
>Goku is more or less the benchmark for strong anime characters, so inevitably someone states that Saitama could one punch Goku
>DBZfags, gnashing their teeth at every negative mention of their mediocre yet nostalgic show, flip out
>They take "muh universe destroying punches" at face value, yet casually shrug off that Goku got one shot by a mass produced laser ring

DBZfags simply cannot stand the thought of Goku being dethroned. Even Beerus only exists as an obstacle for Goku to eventually overcome. It is the same reason as why DBZfags flipped their shit over the Death Battle versus Superman: it's what happens when a man who breaks all limits meets a man who has no limits.
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>>135673975
>A significant number of anime fans miss the point of a parody/deconstruction and treat it as if it were a serious example of the genre.

Nothing new to see here, folks. Move along. The exact same thing happened to Evangelion, and Sailor Moon, and Slayers, and every other well done parody that wasn't an outright slapstick farce.
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>make fun of powerlevels
>literally everything except for Saitama is powerlevels, they even have rankings
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>>135674824
>they even have rankings
Ranks in OPM matter about as much as power levels in DBZ. They only exist to show that the entire concept is bullshit. Otherwise King and Genos would be many times stronger than Saitama.
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>>135673975
Due to the anonymous nature of the board, one person can create a poor quality discussion in one thread and then complain about the same poor quality discussion in another thread, all in an effort to disparage a particular fanbase.
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>>135674864
da fuq you talking about

king is stronger then saitama
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>>135674864
>Ranks in OPM matter about as much as power levels in DBZ
Is that supposed to be a good thing?
>Otherwise King and Genos would be many times stronger than Saitama
Did you miss the part where i said it didn't apply to Saitama? Actually i also forgot about King so you're at least right on that.
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>>135674949
And here we go.
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>>135675232
It would be a completely generic, cliched filled battle shonen if saitama wasn't in it.
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>>135675389
Keep telling yourself that.
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>>135675232
Here's your reply.
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it's a combination of shonen, western comics, and a commentary on the japanese workplace

Because in all honesty, other than BnHA, I can't think of any actual superhero manga, with the costumes and everything
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>>135675542
thats what Sentai is for over there.
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>>135673975
finally, a one punch man thread!
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>>135675542
>and a commentary on the japanese workplace
I hadn't even thought about that, but now that you mention it makes perfect sense.

>The lowest class salarymen are constantly pressured into performing on a regular basis, often doing the work nobody else wants to do
>On higher levels you're bullied into some sort of group or you're a social outcast with no hope to ever grow further within the company
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>>135675457
lol
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>>135675648
I suppose, but it's more about having multiple heroes that work independently, which is more like a western comic.
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>>135673975
Saitama's thing is that he is unbeatable. Goku's thing is that he can overcome any opponent with training. Goku is Genos to Saitama.
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>>135674824
The rankings only matter up to S class. S class has no upper limit.
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>>135673975
It's called shitposting

Or if they take it seriously, this >>135674436
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>>135673975
>implying it isn't poking fun at shonen cliches while also performing them fantastically
>missing the point
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>>135674621
You honestly think that Superman is written as a man with no limits in the comics? Is this what the general public thinks? Because it's wrong. He gets his ass kicked all the time. Not something you'd expect from a guy with no limits.
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>>135675232
I hope you're baiting because otherwise you're a completely retard
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So like, is Saitama the villain in the show? I mean it seems like the whole time I watch it, I'm rooting for the villain. I see a new villain and I think to myself "is he going to be strong or a jobber? Will this guy push saitama's limits further than the last guy?"
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>>135676597
So you're Saitama?
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>>135673975
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>>135676628
I see, so you're a retard who's trying to bait
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>>135676733
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>>135676733
>I see
That's an improvement but I hope you also learn to think one day
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>>135674621
You're kind of projecting, faggot.
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I find particularly interesting how everyone has this larger than life backstory, especially the villains, as it means something before Saitama punches a hole in them. Really shows how much of a filler that kind of storytelling is.

For that matter, am I the only one who got bored with the Garo vs Metal Bat chapters? I do love those characters but it went for so long to the point it isn't exciting, and it's played pretty much straight. I'm sure it would be better if it was animated though.
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>>135673975
Finally someone gets it.
Sadly the anime community will always be plagued by a large, vocal group of idiots who can't see beyond the shonen cliches.
Ah well, it doesn't stop me from enjoying OPM for what it is.
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>>135676930
I hope that you learn how to bait someday, but I guess it's impossible because you're a retard
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>>135674374
Well yeah, it's a deconstruction of a shitty genre.
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>>135677464
Nah, ever since Garou entered the story it's been a generic shounen and not a parody. It was funny but not anymore. Now it's just boring. The pace has been fucked up completely because Murata can't draw fast enough.

It is no longer a "deconstruction" because it has become what it was parodying: a shitty, generic shounen.
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>>135676690
He is garou
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>>135673975
>faggots start spamming threads about saitama being the new accelerator/demonbane
>another batch of faggots reply
>now the first group faggots can't handle what they created
The sad thing is that this was predicted.
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>make a generic shonen
>except the fact that mc can one punch
>HURR DURR ITS A DECONSTRUCTION THE EVANLGEION OF SHONEN

I wish reddit would go.
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>>135677729
Ok
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>>135677729
This is true. I don't blame ONE for cashing in on the success, though.
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>>135677464
>deconstruction

Stop. Its a comedy. Nothing more. Its also not as satirical as some of you claim.

>>135677729
>>135677923

>ever since entered the story it's been a generic shounen and not a parody.

In what way? If you think the manga as a whole was some mea nspirited "FUCK YOU" to battle manga then you might have been interpreting it wrong,. You guys tend to overblow the "parody" and "satirical" aspect of the series
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>>135677729
What are you talking about, didn't you see how when Saitama bumped into Garou on accident and beat him in one punch, decounstructing the big bad guy trope. That shit was hilarious
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>>135678043
I think you missed the joke
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>>135673975
>hurrr durr who would win, Saitama or Goku???

Everybody I see saying this are DBZ fans, and they pull the most retarded shit out of their ass so that Goku wins
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>>135677464
>>135677729
>>135677923
I bet all of you are americans.
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>>135678277
>go to american website
>"I bet all of you are americans."
wew lad
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>>135678234
It's almost as if the spirit of the comic has been consistent from start to finish
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>>135678219
>Buttmad one meme man faggot detected
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>>135673975

>ONE openly answers questions regarding power levels
>Toriyama just goes "wut?" when asked

The concept of power levels is welcome in OPM outside Saitama. Not to mention OPM indulges in cliches as much as it pokes fun at them. OPM demonstrates pretty shallow self reflectivity common in anime/manga.
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>>135678078
>Deconstructions have to be dark and edgy like Eva and Madoka
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>>135678453
>deconstruction
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>>135678482
I don't think anyone on /a/ understands what it means anymore.
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>>135678350
You don't get it, the powerlevels and ranks are a deconstruction of the shonen genre, it's a deconstruction of the subvertion trope
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>>135678078
Of course it isn't meant to be mean spirited, but it is supposed to a comedy manga which derives its humour from parodying generic shounen. What else would it be? That was the original vision and that is what everyone praises it for being. It has fallen into the trap of losing sight of what it was originally mocking and becoming what it was lampooning.

I suppose therefore you could claim that it isn't a parody anymore, because it has completely failed in that respect.
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>>135678482
>Look mom, I posted it again!
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>>135678520
The joke is Saitama always wins, no question. There is no fight, he just wins. Thats the gag. It's the entire point.
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>>135678554
Yeah, how dare someone point out when another poster posts literal gibberish because they don't understand words.
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>>135678453
I never said this. Its simply not a deconstruction. Are you basing this on what you heard from those falseflag" OPM" shitposters who kept praising it as "deconstruction" or " the 'x' of 'x' anime"? Those posts were mocking faggots like you. Not praising the series .
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>>135673975
Autism is a hell of a drug.
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>>135678540
I don't get why it can't be both. OPM started as a napin doodle drawing, but developed to have really good fight scenes, but the core idea of it poking fun at the general tropes of fighting series has always been there and will still be a staple of OPM.

OPM really got popular because of Murata's art, at least in the west.
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>>135678681
I'd argue that it is a deconstruction on the basis that it takes general ideas, plays them straight, then throws a wrench into it show how silly the original idea was.
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>>135678540
>becoming what it was lampooning.

Did you literally miss the Boros arc outside the Saitama parts? It's not a new development.
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>>135678619
>B-but muh universe busting punch tho
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>>135678785
Just looking at Genos without Saitama you get the same result.
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>>135678784
Anon, deconstruction is a literary perspective for analysis not a method of story telling. The word you want is "parody". You're welcome.
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Fanboys can't stand their overated Goku being beaten, remember the massive anal blast from Goku vs Superman? well Saitama vs Goku is another repeat of that
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>>135677729

yeah, the redrawn version turn from shounen-parody to generic shounen thanks to Murata unnecessary fillers in garou's arc.

Why don't he directly goes to monster associaton story is a wonder...
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>>135678872
The analysis come from the fact that the original idea was showcased to be silly in itself.
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>>135678903
ONE is writing it though
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>>135678453
Deconstruction consists in questioning, based on reality, the elements used in a genre. It is no coincidence that most of deconstructions give the impression of being "dark".
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>>135678540
>to a comedy manga which derives its humour from parodying generic shounen.

No. It derives its humor from humorous dialogue and scenarios, MOST (as in not all gags) of which have nothing to do with putting a spin on shonen cliches. I would like for you to explain what the numerous common battle manga tropes it lampoons are.

>What else would it be?

An action/comedy with some serious storytelling here and there.

>That was the original vision

I have never heard anything from ONE where he claimed that OPM as a WHOLE was meant to make fun of battle manga.
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>>135678520
Goku's massively faster than light reaction speed and multi-galaxy nuster durability.
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>>135679055
Here you go anon.
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>>135678872
>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeconstructiveParody
It even lists OPM you fucking tard
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>>135678918
No. You're stupid.

>>135678998
>Deconstruction consists in questioning, based on reality, the elements used in a genre
No. Deconstruction is a viewpoint that argues that no story or art has any intrinsic meaning or value and that meaning can only be derived from the reaction of a viewer.
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>>135678731
I don't think it pokes fun anymore. It forgets to poke fun in favour of fight scenes and moving along whatever ounce of 'plot' it has. It focuses on characters that aren't Saitama too much even though he is the core comic device of the series.
>>135678785
It has become more noticeable to me with Garou. I felt like it was going down this path with Boros but I thought that it would pick up afterwards.
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>A series becomes popular with normalfags
>hurr durr why are there retarded threads on /a/ 24/7
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>>135673975
Poe's Law
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And what really gets my goat is when RPG nuts try to stat this guy for thier favorite system.
Why, WHY????
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>>135679129
>TVT
You sure showed me! Thanks, Reddit.

Hold on, I've got a source for you. It's called the fucking dictionary.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deconstruction
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>>135679115

Goku can't be that retarded. Vegeta had reasons to purposely lower his ki levels to farmer with shotgun tier, meanwhile Goku had no reason to lower to the same level in front of the space tyrant, and while still being aware that he had one minion left to boot. It was just shit writing, because goku should've known that Sorbet was still there as nobody in freezer's faction knows how to hide their ki
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>>135679022
>wanting a series who mocks about scales, feats and powerlevels coexists with porn with powerlevelfags

yeah sure
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>>135679129
>tvtropes as a reference guide
Congratulations on being a huge fucking idiot
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>>135679178
I dunno I find the entirety of the Tatsumaki was pretty silly. Even in the serious fights, there's a lot of things you shouldn't really be taking seriously going on. Just look at the fat little shit that saved Garou.
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>>135679232
Goku regulates his Ki usage so he doesn't run out and lose power so he constantly shifts between high and low Ki output.
Trunks is another character that is seen using this kind of Ki manipulation. Here's Trunks lowering his Ki to the point where his power level reads only 5.
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>>135679166
>No. You're stupid.
That's a great argument anon, sure makes you look smart.
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>>135679357
You'd think that weakness would be abused more often then
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>>135679211
>Posts a definition that perfectly describes OPM
>b-b-but it isn't
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>>135679391

He looked smarter than you by being able to recognize your stupidity while you can't, yes.
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>>135679482
Because that's how you win arguments.
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>>135673975
People who compare characters from different franchises deserve to fucking die, it's more annoying when it comes to OPM. You have to be a retard to not get the humor from OPM, they make fun of every cliche anime hero and yet these fags are trying to understand Saitama's power level.
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>>135679482
>he
>not you just samefagging
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>>135678520
You are a fagget you know that? the whole joke is that Saitama will always beat the shit out of everyone and not get recognized because of it's simplicity.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDtRa094ulk
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Isn't Saitama only strong because the "heroes" in One Punch Man are fairly weak?

Like, even the high class S rank heroes seem like they'd get their asses beat in most other series
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>>135679471
>Posts a definition that perfectly describes OPM
Be honest, lad. You didn't even read the definition. It literally applies to everything.
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>>135679768

They aren't weak, it's just that Saitama is ridiculously overpowered. It's like comparing superman with most of the DC comics heroes
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>Goku can't beat Superman
>so Goku fans start picking on the lead character of a gag manga

Why are you Mexicans so insecure?
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>>135679972
Why mexicans?
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>>135679972
Funny you say that because Mexicans seem to love OPM and shitting on DBS.
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God fucking dammit, someone finally gets it, some at least

First, lets get the DBfags argument " Huurr durr in the Goku x Beerus fight they could destroy the universe " and say it is right, if you can use Dbz rules then I can get the " I want to be someone who can DEFEAT VILLAINS WITH ONE PUNCH " from OPM and also use it. So if Goku has the power to obliterate the universe and even without intention distorts the universe putting it in danger then he becomes the villain, guess what? Saitama trait kicks in and will bestow Saitama every power imaginable so he can
1- Survive Goku devastating power
2- Kill Goku with one punch at any time he wants.

"But but, he needed more than one punch to kill Boros" WRONG, Saitama always pull punches because he wants the thrill of a battle to the death, even motherfucking Boros calls him a liar because he "never used his full strenght", but since he made that stupid desire with so much drive he is doomed to never get it as long as he is a hero. This is a mockery to the "if you believe in yourself you can do it" trope, which is the whole point of this COMEDY manga, mockery of shonen tropes that are used ad nauseum.

And even if you try to use the "wish with so much drive that you get it" for Goku what is his strongest wish? TO FIGHT PEOPLE STRONGER THAN HIM, so by default he is already fucked. This also applies to every, fucking, shonen, hero, ever. There is 0 chance to win because.... You guessed faggot, " I WANT TO BE SOMEONE WHO CAN DEFEAT VILLAINS WITH ONE PUNCH ", this shit will always, ALWAYS come into play no matter what.


You can't argue against a gag manga because gag mangas have 0 limits, even Bobobobo can win Goku with his tiger because GAG MANGA LEL, hell even fucking Arale can do it because GAG MANGA KEK.

"But anon, Medaka box", again, gag manga >>> shonen manga.

Eat shit.
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Aaaages ago, in the hoary days before 4chan, someone posted Goku vs Cthullhu on a few videogame message boards, arguing on the side of Cthulhu. And there were some people arguing on Goku's side.

Christ.....
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>>135677464
>deconstruction
Stick to Aldnoah.Zero, faggot.
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>>135680003
>>135680103
Mexicans are the only ones that like powerlevels. Well, blacks too, but blacks stick to posting on Facebook and Twitter.
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>>135679115
Fair enough. Then consider the following:
>Saitama confronts Goku with his usual potato-face
>He looks unintimidating and unimpressive
>Goku can't sense any ki
>He wonders if this is a joke and gets cocky
>"Casual series: Casual poke"
>Saitama's finger pierces Goku's chest, exploding his heart and wrecking his ribcage, sending small chunks of flesh and bone flying out of his mouth
>Saitama is slightly upset because he just washed his uniform and now there's blood and bone fragments all over it

This is not me being dishonest, this is your own logic. Unless, of course, you can give me a reason why Goku should be more concerned about an average looking bald dude with a potato face, far less muscles than Mr. Satan and no sensible ki than about a revived space tyrant who has surpassed the level of a god.
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>>135679178
>It forgets to poke fun in favour of fight scenes and moving along whatever ounce of 'plot' it has.

Monster Association arc
>Fubuki vs Psykos. Thought she learned a new ability. After defeating Psykos, sheb elieved she was finally able to stand up for herself and stand out of her sister's shadow. Only for the narrator to reveal in the next page that Tatsumaki knew the technique from birth and upgraded it to a much more powerful attack.
>King's fending off the MA members with bullshitting and luck
>Saitama entering the fray for no reason other than to address noise complaints
>Saitama's first encounter with Flashy Flash
>Saitama's appearance in the battle was delayed due to him carrying out mundane rock moving
>Bang fucking shit up in battle only to be completely wrecked a few seconds later. "T-Time out!" " I didn't think it would turn out this way. "
>Saitama attempting to make a dramatic entrance later in the fight only to be ignored by Garou and overshadowed by the other heroes every time.
>In general, the back-and-forth between Garou and Saitama before, during, and after their fight. Saitama's lighthearted and deadpan banter contrasting with Garou's edgelord dialogue
>Any scene with Black Sperm

And there have been more moments like these in the current arc.

The comedic nature is still there.
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>>135680237

THIS. And then Saitama would look disappointed because he expected a real battle, not just some pussy who accidentally commited assisted suicide by lowering his defense.
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>>135675232
>person makes sarcastic post, shown by posting an image that contradicts the wording of their post and displays awareness of the mindset behind posts like it
>flies over people's heads, they take this post seriously
It's no wonder people get into Saitama power level debates, /a/ is retarded.

In case you've already got your reply box open with "d-d-damage control!!!" typed out, I'm not the person I've quoted.
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Even in DB, the fucking point of the Scouters is that measuring and comparing battle power is straight up retarded.

Leave it to the majority of the fanbase to continually wank and debate how powerful the characters are, regardless.
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>>135678520
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>>135679357
>in SSG
Isn't SSG a lossless form?
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>>135680237
>implying Saitama kills good people.
>implying Goku would bother with Saitama if he didn't know how strong he was
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>>135680517
It should be but apparently it isn't because hack writing
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>>135680237
>Goku can't sense any ki
He couldn't sense any Ki from Beerus yet he survived an attack from him. Reminder this is a casual poke from Beerus.
Plus he's much stronger now.

Also
>Saitama can only beat Goku if he is at his weakest

I accept your concession.
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>>135674621
if you actually think death battle was right about that fight at all then you need to read more superman comics.
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>>135680517
?
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You guys are all just pretending to be retarded, right?R-right?
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>>135680590

That's not a casual poke. As you can clearly see, it was imbued with powerful destruction god ki, which sent energy towards the core of the planet and made it blow up from inside. See how it exploded from the center rather than cracking from one extreme
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>>135680384
Wasn't the whole point of the scouters and power levels existence for the villians to continously underestimate goku and his friends?
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>>135680590
>He couldn't sense any Ki from Beerus yet he survived an attack from him.
KaI was obviously afraid of Beerus and introduced him as the God of Destruction. Goku knew beforehand that he was a force to be reckoned with and one beyond his own comprehension. That is literally why their first fight even happened, if Goku didn't know he'd simply assume it's one of Kai's friends and make nothing more of it.

Saitama is an unimpressive looking goof who isn't even taken seriously in his own universe. The only chance Goku has at not """being caught off guard""" is if Genos runs in ahead of time, takes the effort to convince Goku that Saitama is really strong, repeats "He's more than he seems" over and over, somehow pulls a camcorder out of his chest to show video footage of Saitama fighting Boros and constantly yells "GOKU! KEEP YOUR GUARD UP!"

Why can't you just admit that Toriyama's writing is horribly inconsistent because even he stopped caring about Dragon Ball? He has probably grown sick of it and just wants to write something else at this point, but can't because Dragon Ball shits money.

>>135680668
Which Superman comics? The ones where he can't fly and only jumps higher than tall buildings? Or the ones where he literally punches reality?

There are at least dozens of Supermen out there after nearly a century of retcons, reboots, alternate realities and parallel universes.
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>>135680369
d-damage control. showed y-you
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>>135680704
>That's not a casual poke.
It is.

>it was imbued with powerful destruction god ki,
So? All Dragon Ball characters use Ki/Chi to enhance their physical strength and durability.

>>135680759
>Goku knew beforehand that he was a force to be reckoned
Yet still acted cocky "should I dial it down to SS2 from you?"

Face it, Goku wins.
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>>135680759
mostly main canon stuff so like post-crisis/post-flashpoint justice league. all the best superman comics ignore powerlevels and focus on his character instead anyway
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>>135680900
>Yet still acted cocky
That's an argument in my favor, bruh.
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>>135680900
>from
for*
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>>135680759
It's definitely not consistent at all.
Plus it gets even more inconsistent if you add in all the filler from the anime.
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>>135680712
Yes. People try to use it to say "even Dragonball thinks power levels are dumb" even though Dragonball is one of the worst offenders of power level shenanigan bullshit, with multi-tiered ascending transformations and character fusion techniques while already in a high-tiered transformation state.

The scouters were just about being inaccurate and leading the villains to overconfidence, like how a lie detector doesn't actually detect lies.
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>>135680900
>So? All Dragon Ball characters use Ki/Chi to enhance their physical strength and durability.

Then it wasn't a casual poke if he had to enhance his power and concentrate ki to destroy a planet. And as I said before, he channeled Ki into the planet's core, so it wasn't a physical strenght feat, it was just like freezer sending energy to namek's core to destroy it
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>>135680759
not that guy but id assume if goku was wanting to have a match with saitama itd be because he knew he was strong. i mean its not like someone like krillin looks impressive at all but krillin is still a badass by human standards so goku should at least be able to know not to judge a book by its cover. toriyamas writing is total ass though
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>>135680369
Are you retarded? The post you responded to was never a direct response to OP.

lol this tard
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>>135680945
Not really, since he survived an attack from Beerus despite that >>135680590 which means he can take anything Saitama throws at him. Going off of Saitama's feats so far.

>Serious punch

>>135681023
>Then it wasn't a casual poke if he had to enhance his power and concentrate ki to destroy a planet
Wrong that's just how their battle system works.
Still casual.
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>>135680320
> I love this scene. Tats hair looks like a copy/paste error and I can't get over it.
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>>135678317
>American website
>I thought it was an Indonesian basket weaving forum
My life is in shambles
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>>135681098
>since he survived an attack from Beerus despite that
Then why did he get wrecked by a laser ring despite being on a higher state of alertness AND a much, much, much higher level of power?

This is no longer about who can defeat who, it is about the horribly inconsistent writing in Super that only the biggest Dragon Ball fanatic would even hope to defend.

Honestly, this reminds me of when The Phantom Menace came out. Star Wars dorks defended it to death because they didn't want to believe that their beloved franchise had become a joke. Perhaps Super will one go the way of The Phantom Menace and even within Dragonball circles be considered a mockery.
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>>135673975
Because when a fanbase grows, its intelligence does not grow proportionally.
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>>135674949
read the damn manga king is a pussy with no real power
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>MUH FEATS
Awww here it goes.
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>>135673975
/v/ fanbases are retarded, what else is new?
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>>135681098
>he thinks serious means it's actually serious
Embarassing.

There's an entire character in OPM created to mock featfags like you.
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>>135681303
>Then why did he get wrecked by a laser ring despite being on a higher state of alertness AND a much, much, much higher level of power?
Here >>135679115 wasn't your first reply to this post? Keep up.
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>>135681311

Seconded. The dragon ball fanbase will always try to pick a fight with any strong character who's getting popular just because they can't get enough of trying to shove goku's dick in everybody's mouths.
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>>135681333
Don't even need to read the Manga to know that. He could have helped against Melzagard.
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>>135681386
So let me summarize
>Goku got wrecked by a laser ring in SSJGSSJ form because he was overconfident and therefore lowered his guard
>Saitama wouldn't be able to exploit this because when he fought Beerus he was caught off guard yet suffered less damage than inflicted upon him by the laser ring

Do you not see the inherrent contradiction. One that can only be solved by assuming Beerus was severely holding back, if we choose to resolve it at all?

This changes nothing.
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>>135677464
>deconstruction
No one around here knows what that means.
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>>135681386
>lowers defense
>against a super powerful galaxy destroyer
>knowing that there's still one minion of freezer hiding in front of him
>Doesn't see coming a laser attack that was pretty much telegraphed.
>This nigga, who can see attacks going at speeds thousands of times faster than light, is caught by surprise by a regular laser shot right in front of him

Yeah.
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>>135681352
>/v/ fanbases are retarded, what else is new?
We're not talking about LOGH here.
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>>135681532
Tell me who are assblated by Superman then
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>>135673975
Because shounenfags and normies are literally retarded
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>this series is [anon's interpretation of a series]

why do people state opinion as fact, especially when they are speaking about what the author's thoughts are about a work
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>>135681532
Just because Goku isn't the strongest doesn't mean you have to stop liking him.
Saitama isn't even in my top 20 but I can acccept that he can one shot my favorite characters because that doesn't somehow make them worse characters.

If you only like a character because they're strong you're doing it wrong.
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>>135681486
>>135681528
>what is context?
Those two situations were very different.

>lowers defense
>against a super powerful galaxy destroyer
What? No he didn't.

>knowing that there's still one minion of freezer hiding in front of him
Again wrong.
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>>135673975
I don't see how this is even an issue.
We have seen Goku fight for his life with everything he's got and lose. This clearly shows he has limits.
We have never seen Saitama get serious. If you follow the manga, you should know Saitama's strength comes from him breaking his limiter. He has no limit.
If Goku and Saitama were to fight Saitama would just keep raising his powerlevel untill it surpasses Goku's and wreck him.
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>>135681656
>Again wrong.

Dude, goku can sense the whole universe through his ki senses, that's pretty much how he can teleport from wherever is Whis's home to earth, there's no fucking way he didn't detect the ki of Sorbet being that close to him, specially because freezer army members don't know how to hide their ki.
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>>135681778
>Dude, goku can sense the whole universe
That was because he was focusing on sensing Ki then, while fighting Frieza he wasn't focusing on sensing everyone in the general area.
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>>135681656
>What? No he didn't.
So you're saying that Goku, at his maximum power and fully engaged in combat, without lowering his defenses, can get destroyed by a laser ring?

>B-but muh off guard though
By that logic, any time an enemy has attacked him from behind or in an otherwise unexpected move throughout DBZ, his face should've been shattered by the pure, universe busting power of their punches and kicks.
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>>135673975
>Superman gets crowned, King of the mountain
>DBZfags gotta take out their rage on a gag character

Seriously, this is like people getting mad at Superman losing to Squirrel Girl or Popeye after a can of spinach. It's just something silly you accept that happens
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>>135680103
Mexicans are the only ones defending DBS, everyone else is shitting on it
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>>135679166
so opm is a deconstruction because...?
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>>135681865
Never mind I thought you meant Beerus not Frieza.

>B-but muh off guard though
Yep happened before.
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>>135681916

>it only took 4 of you to beat me
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>>135673975
>>A series meant to poke fun at the concept of powerlevels and shonen clichés
>OP seriously doesnt know that ONE is the biggest powerlevelfag to ever live
Nice headcannon faggot, but by all means, keep digging that stupid hole
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>>135681916
>Squirrel Girl or Popeye
Not really, both characters have good feats to match their hype unlike Saitama.
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>>135674824
The rankings aren't power levels though. It's more like level of fame/recognition. For example King is widely considered the strongest human (even if falsely) but only 7th ranked because he isn't very active.
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>>135682006
>In Dragonball
>Against a more or less equally matched opponent

Entirely different things. We're talking about fucking Sorbet and his piece of shit ring against a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. In other words, something that may very well be weaker than the beam you depicted versus a living god.
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>>135674824
ONE even goes as far as to compare characters from OPM to other series in a who is stronger than who fashion, yet people still spout the "He's mocking powerlevels!" meme
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>>135681311
Can we sticky that please?
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>>135682126

B-but muh variable power ring!
B-but muh gold freezer ki charged ring!
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>>135682126
>Entirely different things.
Not really, both times Goku let his guard down because he thought the battle was over and won.

Here Goku is tanking a island level attack from Piccolo. While in the other pic he gets injured by a much meager attack when his guard was down.
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>>135680668
Superman lifted 5.9 sextillion tons for 5 days 24/7, he is at least 2 billion times faster than the speed of light and virtually indestructible since he can survive blackholes and anti-matter.
DBZfags think Superman is weak just because his fights are not gay and over the top like DBZ, when in reality Superman heavily tone down his power and speed to spiderman-like levels in the everyday.
Superman demolishes Goku any day, and that is not counting Goldy Superman who charged his powers for 15 millenniums inside the super-sun after he got Gold-like powers from the gates of heaven.
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>>135676505
He lifted the weight of Infinity. That's right, Infinity. It's been established as Canon.
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>>135681098
>Muh Feats
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>>135682246
>Gold-like powers

Did he become a jew?
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>>135682316
Superman is jew
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one above all the fucks both
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>>135682223
I really do hope you understand the difference between

>Two equally matched opponents being equally matched when both are paying attention
>One having a massive advantage when the other is caught off guard

and

>A literal living god being felled in one blow by what should, to him, be the equivalent of a bee's sting
We have no reason to believe Sorbet's laser is any stronger than Raditz, and we at the very least have the damn near guarantee that it's weaker than the Ginyu Force. Even the Ginyu Force, which Goku defeated before going Super Saiyan, is many, many orders of magnitude below SSJGSSJ Goku.

We're back at the start, where you resort to the theory that Goku was entirely absentminded in his fight against Golden Frieza but somehow would be on full alert against Saitama, which you then rebuke by referring to Beerus which is in itself an inconsistency with the Golden Frieza fight unless we assume Beerus was severely holding back.

We're going in circles here.
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>>135682246
Superman also got his ass kicked by Alfred.
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Alright I have a few serious questions for you guys
Is OPM an action comedy?
Is OPM a gag manga?
Is OPM a deconstruction?
Is OPM a generic shounen with a few jokes?
And what about it qualifies to fit your definition of the series?
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>>135673975

It's basically OPM fags and a few DBZ fags making the damn things.

Then it boils down to both sides refusing to admit their favorite characters would lose with both of them calling each-other autistic.

One uses feats.
Other uses something else.

Both are retarded and make DBfags(which little we see after Super) and OPMfags (who already look like /v/tier posters) appear like shit to avoid like the plague.
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>>135680517
yeah, man, SSG uses .flac.
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>>135682383
Because it's Batman's butler anon
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>>135682386
Everyone will answer differently, and I'm pretty sure there is a correct answer that ONE has provided at some point, but if you ask my uneducated opinion it's an action comedy about a gag character existing in an otherwise normal shounen world.

It's not a deep deconstruction of the genre, at best Saitama is a parody character.
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>>135673975
I never understood this, the dbz fanboys think goku would win and yet goku has been shown multiple times to have his ass wrecked and even killed from time to time all while saitama is literal embodiment of overpowered bullshit and has not lost once.
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>>135682386

A little bit of everything you mentioned, and I have to say, the series is too "early" yet to define easily but that's the idea.
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>>135681649
I only watch good anime like yuru yuri and gochiusa
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>>135679022
>Goku's feats
Powering up and using flashy effects?
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>>135682379

I really do hope you understand this >>135679115

>A literal living god being felled in one blow
>one blow
Wrong Goku had taken lots of damage before he was hit by the ray gun.

Face it Goku beats Saitama. Until Saitama shows us better feats.
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>>135682559
>Wrong Goku had taken lots of damage before he was hit by the ray gun.
Are you implying that, despite acting so cocky to Frieza, he was at that point a shambling wreck only one sub-Raditz laser beam away from collapsing?
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Do we need this thread every day?
Can we just wait a few years? OPM is not over and we have no idea what Saitama can and can't do.

>You don't get it the point is he wins every fight with one punch because he broke his limiter/that's the joke.

>N-no, you don't get it, Goku and Beerus almost destroyed the universe just by exchanging blows, their power is maximum.

I'm still not sure which side I despise more.
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So, so, let me ask you: can The Hulk beat Saitama?
The Hulk gets angrier the longer he fights.
So, he keeps powering up during a fight.
Saitama gets more excited to fight an enemy he doesn't beat in one punch.
Saitama keeps powering up at an equal pace to the Hulk powering up.
Who wins? An infinite rage, or an infinite excitement?
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>>135680237
>Goku can't sense any ki

OPM has ki, though.
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>>135682383
Did you read the part were "Superman heavily tone down his power and speed to spiderman-like levels in the everyday.", retarded beaner?
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>A series meant to poke fun at the concept of powerlevels and shonen clichés
>Madhouse play all the fight scenes entirely straight
B r a v o
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Dragonball fanbase are just nostalgiafags that cant let go, the kind of people that supported fanfics like dragonball af and hated gt because they couldnt let their favorite anime/manga to end. OPM is doing nicely, is new stuff and mainly a gag manga/anime, yet DBfags cant accept that even a comedy character could beat their hero.
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It's autism, simply autism. I wouldn't pin it entirely on people who like DBZ, just the autists. Because it's so popular it's not stupid to say that a lot of shades of sperg like it. If any one of these spergs saw someone insulting their CHILDHOOD HERO on an anime image board they would simply not stand for it.
Honestly I think the only reason that OPM fags aren't as much like this is simply because it's not as popular.
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>>135682383
Injustice was pretty stupid but this entire scene was worth everything
>There's nothing worth saving here
No chill
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>>135682383
Apparently you never read the comic Injustice: Gods Among us. The Super Pills made your strength equivalent to Superman's strength.
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>>135682650
He has worse regen than Boros, so no.
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>>135680684
I love how no one respond to this.
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>>135682650
I wouldn't bother comparing Saitama and the Hulk. The Hulk fought Superman in the Amalgam Universe and lost to him.
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>>135682722
And was plainly retarded, injustice is like hurr durr DC can make something edgy to appeal for new fans.
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>>135682650
Could Saitama lift the Mjolnir?
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>>135676505
Read Final Crisis.
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>>135682796
selfless, non ill intended and plainly heroic, i think he could
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>>135682787
Injustice butchered Superman as a character
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>>135682787
>injustice is like hurr durr DC can make something edgy to appeal for new fans.
That's like 90% of new comics. Hell, Multiversity was basically a long drawn out way of saying "fuck you" to that kind of writing in comics books.
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>>135682815
Are you Insane? That comic series, along with Infinite Crisis, is borderline unreadable due to how complex and over-arching it is. Only a true Comic book fan, and I do mean a devoted one, can enjoy final crisis.
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OST WHEN FUCKING SAKE

Saitama > Reality Warpers
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>>135682559
Too bad DBZverse is easy as shit to destroy, it can be destroyed by screaming
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>>135682956
January 13
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I've only watched the anime and I have no interest in Power Level bullshit. But OPM accepted a level of seriousness when Sea King was introduced, and with it was nurtured with Boros. With that seriousness comes the actual implications of how strong Saitama is. It's no longer "Because it's funny"
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>>135682880
I think you didn'tem get Multiversity.
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>>135680684
Full powered super saiyan.
I never understood why they never did that for any other form.
Just Toriyamas inconsistent writing?
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>>135683181
>Villain is a physical manifestation of the time people waste reading and arguing over shit like comic books
>The only hero who can fight back against Empty Hand is Shazam because he's the only "pure" good hero left uncorrupted by edginess
There was a large element of it
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DBZ characters aren't that tough to begin with. I mean Kirby beat Majin buu, so the bar can't be that high.
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>>135682680
I bet you're one of those fedora tipping, hipster faggot, buzzword, autistic cuckolds who said that the anime should have been in ONE's "style"
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>>135683473
Kirby>>Saitama
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>>135683479
>This mad people don't like the way madhouse handled a comedy adaptation by removing half the comedy
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lol
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>>135683820
Yup.
How the fuck did he get beaten in canon?
Dude stopped the punch just before it hit him?

Also when will white hair = crazy end?
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>Mumen Rider finds the Mjolner in the middle of the street while helping preschoolers across the crosswalk
>he moves it out of the path of traffic
>Mumen Rider is now the Asgard Rider and bicycles on rainbows
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You faggots would argue over anything, Saitama or Squirrel Girl
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OPM and this image makes trolling Dragonball Z fans a no-brainer
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>>135682246
yeah then he got one shotted by a aquaman villain. superman would beat the shit out of pre-super goku btw
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>>135676597
Garou pls go
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>>135684159
so if normal energy weapons can hurt goku in his strongest form couldn't sups just use his heat vision on him?
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>>135682745
Zeus was using his magic to null it.
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>>135677464
Nice shitposting streak
http://desustorage.org/a/search/image/L-VibctHwJsgQRTtckkM7w/
>>135677729
>>135677840
Shounen is demographics not a genre, you fucking retards. It's published in Tonari no Young Jump which is seinen.
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>>135683597
>People
>implying your opinion is a popular one
>implying your a person
>implying the world wouldnt improve if you were to just jump off a bridge
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>>135682872
It's alternate version anyway. Do you know that in current post-flashpoint universe there is powered down and with his identity revealed to whole world Clark Kent and survivor of Convergence, pre-flashpoint Superman with his Lois and their son, hiding for few years
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>>135682386
Yes, yes, no, no.
It's action comedy-parody of battle shounens, sentai and capeshit.
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>>135684372
Zeus is a Skyfather. He can shit on Hulk whenever he wants
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>>135682796
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>>135683864
He would be better Thor than that cunt Jane Foster
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>>135679115
You know... that doesn't really help your argument. You've just proven that Goku has to concentrate in order to keep his defense up. Meaning that he's otherwise vulnerable while released or not paying attention.

Whereas Saitama's pretty much invincible regardless.

So, good job proving that Goku would loose.
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>>135685225
>capeshit
No Capes!
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>>135685322
It's derrogatory term for superhero comics, and Saitama has cape.
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>>135673975
Because DBZfags get angry easier this way. I never watched even one episode of OPM, nor read the webcomic, yet I use Saitama in any discussion regarding powerfull characters to state that Goku is a jobber.Why? Because it's funny
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>>135684262
In the rematch against Super Cyan, Superman does use his heat vision to destroy his brain.
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>>135682768
Yeah, but given all those fights were based on fan votes, I wouldn't put much stock in it. Wolverine beat fucking Lobo for God's sake and Lobo has gone toe to toe with Superman.
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>>135685515
>you can't beat him goku
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there are like 2 people stronger then raditz in oneverse
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>>135685696
Which means there are at least two people stronger than Sorbet's laser ring in Oneverse.
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>>135685696
Not including Saitama right? Not even a planet buster.
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>>135686166

Poor Boros, he was like Goku if he went evil and went around destroying planets in search of a worthy opponent, and just like goku, got rekt by an opponent stronger than he expected.
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>>135682288
Are you referring to the book of infinite pages? The same book that Ultraman read cover-to-cover, meaning that it's NOT infinite?
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>>135673975
Goku because his anime isn't egregious.
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>>135682288
>>135686314
>Expecting comic book writers to understand baic mathematics

Infinity is a really stupid concept which only works in theoretical mathematics, and even then under very special circumstances (see Hilbert's Hotel: Infinity + 1 = Infinity, Infinity x 2 = Infinity and Infinity x Infinity = Infinity).

Just roll with it nigger, even though the definition of infinity is that it never ends Ultraman somehow managed to find a finite end to an infinite book. Kind of like how the Flash can percieve events that last less than an attosecond, yet still ran straight into Deathstroke's blade.
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>>135685282
WOW that was awesome! :D
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>>135685282
>BY THE GODS WHAT THE FUCK
I laughed
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Saitama is power man incarnate

He can do anything and beat anyone

Stop arguing about stupid shit
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>>135686517
I'm surprised there isn't an edit where Saitama one-punches Powerman in the end.
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>>135686517
Not really, Powerman actually has good feats unlike Saitama.
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>>135686554
But Powerma reflects all sorts of shit and stuff, Saitama would make himself implode
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>>135681376
>he thinks serious actually means serious
>Embarrassing
nigga wot
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>>135679357
This is bullshit, if Goku was completely relaxed then he would lose his Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan form because it was proven that all Super Saiyan forms take a big amount of Ki as upkeep, so much in fact that Gohan fainted from its strain alone.

That part was just poorly written thats all.
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>>135686517
Pepsiman would pepsistomp him
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This guy would fuck up Saitama, prove me wrong.
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>>135686747

>>135680684
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>>135686802

Saitama is passively nigh invulnerable, so no. Meanwhile goku would look down at the farmer with a shotgun and get killed for being too overconfident and lowering his guard
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>>135686802
Damn right.
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Saitama can't even kill a tiny mosquito. What makes you think he can beat Goku?
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>>135686965
Because goku likes men
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>>135686802
Who let you of your containment board?

>>>/pol/
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>>135686802
That depends, is Saitama Jewish?
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>>135686889
>farmer with a shotgun

That might be the last thing you type, friend. Be careful.
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>>135686817
Yeah he did that with his normal SSJ form, he became so used to it that the upkeep was gone, and because of that he didn't revert back to normal even after spending all of his energy against Cell, unlike Trunks and Vegeta.

But he evidently didn't have the time to master this new form to such extent, since he reverted to normal after taking the mortal wound.
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>>135686554
Powerman and Saitama would be bros and eat discount ramen together
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>>135687236
>master this new form
SSGSS/SSB is just SS with God Ki.
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>dude it's just SATIRE
Nice way to dodge criticism to be quite honest
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>>135678277
Nice inferiority complex there, Europe. Why do you always like to bring us up in irrelevant discussions?
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>>135673975
OPM "used to be" satire of powerlevels and shonen cliche. It became one from Garou/MA arc.
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>>135679115
Did everyone forget about this shit?
https://youtu.be/aTIFoqoYj20?t=30s

Goku without a ki aura was always human-level defense, that's been canon consistently.

The only real question is why he decided to let his guard down against Freiza when the fight wasn't over and he was only 5 feet away. You can explain the HOW, but the WHY remains a mystery.
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>>135687356
Would pay to see this
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>>135687758
>Goku without a ki aura was always human-level defense
Then why didn't Dr. Gero just hire a sniper?
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>>135687758
That's filler anon.

>human-level defense
Above human since he took bullets to the head and survived the ray gun shot to his heart.

>but the WHY remains a mystery.
The movie literally spelled it out for you.
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>>135687758

Filler shit.
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>>135687758

They don't fight all the time with a ki aura, yet they are still every bit as durable without it.
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>村田雄介 ‏@NEBU_KURO 1m1 minute ago
>クシャミがでるな。やばいやばい

MURATA GETTING SICK

ITS OVER

ITS ALL OVER
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>>135678903
It's ONE who wants to rewrite garou arc.
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>>135688330
He just sneezed. Chill.
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>>135680237
>saitama is a living being therefore has ki by default
>Goku would sense saitama's ki and it's intent and so would react accordingly
Watch this for example, Goku could sense if saitama's going to attack him
https://youtu.be/JKxDa2y9Ehs
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>>135688452
>Watch this for example, Goku could sense if saitama's going to attack him

Yet, couldn't sense Sorbet when he attacked him.
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>>135688537
Focusing on Frieza you know the guy right in front on him and was fighting a moment a go.
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>>135686965
cause Goku isn't a Mosquito.
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>>135688742
But Goku is faster than one
Goku>>>>>>>>>>Mosquito>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Saitama
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>>135678453

>madoka is edgy
>literal power of love ending

I will never understand this meme
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>>135688791

He wasn't fast enough to dodge a regular laser. Checkmate, atheists.
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>>135688832
>power of love ending
ok, what?
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>>135688742
And Saitama's not a dollar store laser ring. :^)
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>>135689035
Laser>>>Mosquito
Also he didn't see it coming unlike Saitama.
Goku wins.
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>>135689120
he's a 100 yen store laser ring.
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>>135689121

He saw it coming, it was pretty much a shot straight to his chest. It would've been another thing if he got hit in the back.
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>>135689168
>He saw it coming,
Nope, wrong.
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>>135689035
but in speed Laser Ring >>>>>>>>>>> Mosquito tho
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>>135688452
Goku's finger>Saitama
top kek
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Sonic was faster than a mosquito, and Saitama had no problems following his moves.
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>>135689291
>Sonic was faster than a mosquito
no he wasn't
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>>135689338

>[citation needed]
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This thread is now the most cancerous place on /a/
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>>135689438
mosquito was able to outmaneuver saitama and sonic wasn't.
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>>135689232
in speed saitama >>>>>>> a little rock thrown by krillin.
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>>135690450
In speed a lil rock thrown by krillin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a mosquito
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>>135685997
This desu senpai
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>>135673975
>>A series meant to poke fun at the concept of powerlevels and shonen clichés

that isn't actually true
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>>135678903
>Murata starts catching up to ONE
>MURATA CATCHES UP TO ONE
>Oh wow that was fun, time to stop printing money for the next 8 months
This is what you faggots want
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>>135691119
yeah and?
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>>135679232
>Goku can't be that retarded
That line by itself is enough to warrant a reaction pic, but Goku IS that retarded, dont forget he could have killed Majin Buu and saved countless lives if he didnt literally go "Not my problem, faggots!" Hell the laser thing is actually just a shitty redo of what happened the first time Goku fought freeza and turned off the Super Sayain before the fight was even over with. In fact, Goku would have died then and there to Freeza's knock off Destructo Disk if Freeza didnt miss
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>>135691191
You're a terrible person and you should feel bad about your life choices
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gag manga
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Spongebob could beat Goku
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>>135687758
Guess I must have just dreamed the very first episode of Dragonball, where Goku gets hit by a car and shot with a pistol to the face before he even knows what 'ki' is.
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>>135678219
before the anime came out nobody gave a shit
when it hit, the normie OPM fancunts spammed the shit out of it
revived DB threads were good before these autistic idiots came
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>>135677729
reported
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>>135686632
That's because powerman is saitama from the future.
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>>135680237
OPM has ki tho. It literally says that in the webcomic when Tatsumaki's fighting Saitama.
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>>135692323
RIP
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To everyone using le laser off guard meme, that wouldn't happen on a 1-1 fight with Goku and Saitama. He's been stated multiple times throughout the story to have energy/ki, so Goku wouldn't definitely sense it. Pic related is the only way that Saitama could catch Goku off guard which sadly would probably work.

Overall for the fight it depends. If Goku drops into the OPMverse he probably gets beaten easily, but Saitama leaves satisfied. If Saitama's dropped in DBS then the fight would go on for a while but then Goku would go serious and beat him pretty quickly. This is due to Saitama's lack of good feats. However, Goku losing in the OPM verse is due to the ongoing gag, where the rule is Saitama beats anyone in one serious punch no matter what.
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>>135693495
*So Goku would definitely sense it

fugg
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What is with OPM that attracts "who will win arguments" ?
I always thought OPM is practically Gintama with less crude humor
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>>135693604
The title alone brings out the autism of the DB mongaloids.
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>why do people take power levels seriously in a series that doesn't take power levels seriously
>thread explodes in power level autism
It was fated.
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>>135678903
Why is it that these kinds of retards are always hanging around OPM threads and yet they never seem to retain any fucking information given to them? ONE is fucking writing everything, Murata doesn't decide any of that shit.
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>>135682288

>He lifted the weight of Infinity. That's right, Infinity. It's been established as Canon.

That is fanfiction tier story>>135682296
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>>135681333
Nigga, King raped Saitama for 5 minutes with his ultimate combo.
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>>135673975
Maybe it's because I have zero nostalgic attachment to DBZ, but I can't understand why anyone even likes that annoying voice faggot Goku. Especially to the extent they get butthurt over a joke character like Saitama being the strongest character in his own series.

Power level wankers continuing to prove they are the scum of the gene pool.
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>>135688832
What? Did you even watch Rebellion? Edgiest tragic lesbians shit I've ever seen in my life.
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Goku literally has no feats of his own that would legitimately place him at the level people say he is.

In the whole manga you won't find a single page where Goku himself destroys anything more than a mountain.
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Gonna start this series.

Anime or manga?
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>>135695695
Web comic fagget
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>>135678453
Deconstruction is a meme word and shounen is a genre.

/a/ is fascinating
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>>135692323
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>>135678928
>>135688376
Source?
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>this thread
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>Anon asks why /a/ takes a gag manga seriously
>Turns into another fucking powerlevel/feats meme thread
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>>135673975
>>A series meant to poke fun at the concept of powerlevels and shonen clichés
It's not retard. It's a comedy/action manga with an OP MC. It's not here to poke fun at anything, ONE just does what he wants. It's serious at times and Saitama is not the only one who fights and there are cliches. Fuck off.
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>>135697450
Watch Murata's stream, he says ONE writes and checks everything for manga version. Sometime he shows those storyboards made by ONE. Murata even said that he wanted to boost up the pace with anime adaptation but he couldn't because he had to dump and redraw chapters again when ONE finds something unacceptable and rejects it. (There's tons of rejected/unused Murata chapters.)
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>>135680142
Arale is from a GAG shonen manga.
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>>135687606
Just like the moon, we've got American flags planted in the brains of every eurofag in the world. It forces them to think about us basically every couple minutes of every single day of their lives. They're utterly helpless to not think about us all the time.
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Ajimu would still win against anyone here
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Actually my OC character is stronger than either character, because his power is to be stronger than anyone else ever. And that's canon so you can't argue against it.

I win.
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>>135680237
Didn't Boros examine Saitama when they first met and could see the immense power radiating from Saitama?
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>>135683862
Touma's fist negates pretty much all powers.
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Arguing a VS battle with Saitama is completely and utterly pointless.

He's one of the VERY few people who I think should be banned from most VS battles. To this day, I've thought of only the fucking Shrike/Fehdman Kassad from Hyperion Cantos should be banned due to the fact that he's faster than every single other Flash to exist. He is practically the fastest broken character that isn't omnipresent. He's so broken that I think there is not a single fair fight for him in all of fiction, as he'll either stomp his opponents, or will get stomped by his opponents.

My reasoning for Saitama is a bit different. Saitama shouldn't be in VS battles, because he's actually been established as someone who has broken his limits. ONE makes it clear that he HAS no match. We have so far not seen post-training Saitama in deep trouble, even once in this series, and that's because he has no limit, he can't be pushed because he's beyond mere limitations.

People want to say, "But that's a no-limit fallacy! Of course he has his limits!", but no, not at all. If you think so, then look at the webcomic and check out the part(Pic related) where the scientist from the House of Evolution talks about Saitama and emphasizes on how Saitama went through his limitations.

Saitama was made in mind to be a limitless hero. Goku was made to keep moving forward to NEW limitations. No matter what, Goku will ALWAYS have his limits. That's the whole point with him continually training. He trains, but he will still never reach Saitama's level because he only merely moves the restriction further upwards, unlike Saitama who has broken through with it. It's so easy to understand.

This is why many are right when they say that One Punch man is an inversion of fighting manga. In fighting manga, the MCs are like Genos. They continually train and try to reach to new heights and get stronger and stronger. But Saitama on the otherhand has trained and has reached a point where the heights are stretched to infinity.
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>>135687758
Filler comedy bit.
Next you're going to tell me yamcha, tien, and the pokemon were actually strong enough to take on the ginyu force after only training with king kai for a few weeks.
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>>135673975
Anyone, from any fanbase, that passionately argues about "power levels" or which character would beat who in completely unrelated series, has the maturity of a 10 year old and should just be ignored.

Also, OPM does not have "power levels". The rankings are not a direct reflection of the power of the characters. Hence Saitama, Fubuki, King, Amai Mask, probably other arguments could be made. The ranking system is more of a bureaucratic thing. Although the strength of the character plays a role in their rank it's far from the sole determining factor.
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>>135699730
>This is why many are right when they say that One Punch man is an inversion of fighting manga. In fighting manga, the MCs are like Genos. They continually train and try to reach to new heights and get stronger and stronger. But Saitama on the otherhand has trained and has reached a point where the heights are stretched to infinity.

What's amusing is that the progenitor of these series did this in the first place yet people say "it's copying Goku being invincible in the original Dragon Ball" and other dumb shit acting like everything in anime is a Dragon Ball rip off.
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>implying that the mask couldn't beat saitama
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>>135673975
You're overestimating OPM.
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>>135673975
OPM is shit faggot, kill yourself.
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>>135697786
pretty funny isn't it
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>>135673975
>Saitama is a gag character
Among my favorite 2015 memes
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>>135682635
>OPM is not over and we have no idea what Saitama can and can't do.

Face it anon, even if ONE makes Saitama destroy the universe or bust a planet with a finger, the battle gonna still be a thing, cuz powerlevelfags are cancer.
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>>135697786
HE ISN'T A GAG CHARACTER.
BOROS DESTROYED THE GAG BY NOT DYING IN ONE PUNCH.
YOU CAN'T LIMIT A JOKE, IT MUST ALWAYS WORK
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>>135682635
DBfags can't deal with the fact that a character who's not in DB can kick Goku's ass

Saitamafags on the other hand like to get people upset/Don't understand how the character works and say stupid things

They're meant for each other
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>>135673975
Children do not have a good grasp of what parody is. They easily confuse reality and fiction. They can't tell whether its a master piece or garbage.

To a child, a show with fighting and some semblance of meta is a master piece.

This show is made for a child. You are a child if you enjoy it.
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>>135701635
I know you're pretending, anon, but sadly this is something some idiots believe
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could the Death Note owner kill Saitama
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>>135701716
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>>135678078
>Its also not as satirical as some of you claim.

Read the originals. With that shitty fucking art, it's obvious that the entire series has always been taking the piss. Not so much with Murata's beautiful drawings. That feeling gets lost.
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>>135686554
Saitama itself turned into /v/ when he got beaten by King so he's inherently inferior to powerman
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>>135679115
That pic is retarded, Vegeta intentionally lowered his Ki to the absolute minimum, Goku did not.
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>>135680684
Why did they lose this form in the end?
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>>135673975
>op post literaly says that powerlevel-fags are retards
>thread still turns in power-level thread
I dont know what i expected
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All these discussions are retarded, like all of you.
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>>135701719
I am not pretending anon.
Retards like you can't understand that joke must always work for a character to be considered gag
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>>135702276
Not him but you're taking it way too seriously. Yes the series is called "One Punch Man" but the joke is just that Saitama is stupidly invincible etc. He doesn't necessarily have to win EVERYTHING with one punch for the gags to be amusing.
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>>135702351
He hasn't won everything with one punch.

Boros took several. One serious punch, sure, but a number of others as well.
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>>135680320
the whole MA arc battle is a giant slap of big parody compared to all of previous saitama fight. i dont know why that anon complain about garou arc anyway, fucking speedreader.
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>>135693495
>wins the one who's the writer is sided with.

i don't know why people even try to use this universe shit theory
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>>135693604
Because of Saitama. It's never "who will win" about the other characters, just "could they beat Saitama".
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>>135687614
confirmed speedreader.see this>>135680320
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>>135687614
How about you read it, not spout bullshit based on retards in these threads?
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>>135702720
It's featsfag, report and ignore.
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Wait why are we arguing over powerlevels.
Isn't it futile to compare two unstoppable forces?
Forgive me for being new but wtf. I see enough of this cringey debate on sites like reddit and 4chan is supposed to be better...r-right?
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>>135673975
And this thread also turned into exactly that.

Why the fuck is it so hard to understand that shit like this isn't directly comparable when the two fictional universes run on different rules?
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>>135675542
>I can't think of any actual superhero manga, with the costumes and everything
Tiger & Bunny.
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>>135703892
Garbage is garbage no matter the place and this thread is filled with nothing but.
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Saitama is only strong as a gag character in his own universe. He's not even impressive as far as other gag characters go.
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>>135704115
As pretty much every character. Its not like you can put Goku in Index, for instance.
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>>135685282
Shouldn't he be worthy?

And yes, this was fcking hilarious.
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>>135685282
It's like Beta Ray Bill all over again but even more ridiculous.
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>>135677729
then leave the thread and stop reading it
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>>135697786

anime always fucks up everything
it brings out the most autistic and pantsu on head retarded people to the community
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>>135701781
>Read the originals.
I have.

>With that shitty fucking art, it's obvious that the entire series has always been taking the piss.

Is the amateur art the only reason you can come up as to why this series as whole was meant to be satire on battle manga? The webcomic's low quality artwork is not a stylistic choice that was intended enhance the series comedic qualities. It just looks that way because ONE can draw for shit.

Do you consider Mob Psycho to be huge parody because of its unpolished artwork? Do you think the Keiji Mogami arc or Mob's gradual character development are supposed to be satirical in some way?
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>>135702495
And the point is that he's strong enough to win it in one punch if he wanted to.
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>>135704115

To be fair,OPM's world is a consistent one. We can't have saitama destroy the moon or break the earth in half and then expect that everything's back to normal in the next storyv like it happens in most gag mangas
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>>135705176
Or has some special gimmick like dragon balls.
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>>135705199
H-hey guys. Remember when Dragon ball was actually about questing across a dangerous land to get your wish granted?
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>>135693495
Carnage Kabuto could sense saitama's power. Saitama does have a lot of energy
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>>135705644
FUGG
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>>135705623
It was just his instinct kicking in. Otherwise he would have known he really had no chance.
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>>135673975
one punch man is the Don Quixote of animu
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>>135706086
That... makes sense.
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>>135705387
Yeah, them it turned out to be just "My ki is bigger than your!".
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>an emotionless doll designed to be disliked by otakus
>becomes the most popular archetype that has multiple clones a season

Why?
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/one-punch-man/.96904

Overall (sub) : B-
Story : C
Animation : A
Art : B
Music : B

+ Has some of the most gorgeously animated fight scenes you will see anywhere in anime period.
− Relies far too heavily on one simple joke, and is almost never able to add any emotional or narrative, er, punch to those fight scenes.

Fucking THIS
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>>135706231
> designed to be disliked

Not really, no.
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>>135706315
> New fights come hard and heavy, but that one first joke just keeps getting repeated, and even drawn out to fill more and more airtime. Most of One Punch Man's non-action material is devoted to traditional gag comedy, and as a gag comedy, it's not the most impressive production. What jokes don't fall into that single “Saitama is too strong” bracket are generally either simplistic (Saitama punches a guy in the junk) or straight-up unpleasant (one later recurring character is basically just a gay panic stereotype). The action remains stellar throughout, but the humor can often drag.

This guy is trolling right?
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>>135706326
The concept of a creepy submissive no personality doll person was supposed to be disgusting and off putting

And is.

But it turns out the jappo fucks love that shit.

Never lose a World War kids.
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>>135701723
Yes
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>>135701723
I don't know, is Saitama vulnerable to heart attacks?
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>>135701723
No because nobody knows his full name.
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>>135706778
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>400+ replies

This thread did not need to last as long as it did. You faggots need to learn to sage when replying to shitty posts/threads. Powerlevel threads are terrible and pointless. Making a new thread just to complain about powerlevel threads is no different (especially considering it ended up turning into another one). Too many times when discussing OPM on /a/, we had faggots make an entirely new thread just discuss some topic (usually something trivial and stupid) that could have well just been discussed in an already ongoing thread.
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sasuga DBZfag, you just had to shitting up another OPM thread with your "muh feat" autismo completely disregard the original intention of thread. kindly kill yourself like your shitty dead franchise.
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>>135704258
Red Hulk lifted mjornir, at this point anyone could do it.
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>>135706315
>using annshit
>for anything outside news
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>>135706631
I live submissive girls with no personality. Waifu material.
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>>135708394
>I live submissive girls with no personality
Could you make me one?
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>>135708419
*love
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>>135706231
>emotionless doll
She shows emotion all the time.
>designed to be disliked by otakus
Unfounded theory, no more "designed to be disliked" than any other character. How exactly was she supposed to be disliked by otaku? Anno, an otaku, would realize how stupid that is.

All I read from his interviews is him trying to explain her appeal to nips in general.
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>>135679115
>infront of frieza
>lower down guard

so goku is retarded? saitama got punched 2x(garou and sea king) without his own conscience focusing on defense and he didn't go down meanwhile goku got fucking rekt.
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>>135709057
>so goku is retarded?
What's so hard about this to understand? And Saitama is just as retarded. SAITAMA WOULD HAVE DIED IF HE DIDNT LAND ON THE MOON. DISCUSS
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Real question. Who's a cooler character between King and Mr. Satan?

Mr. Satan
>Annoying WWE cliche fag
>gimmick got old instantly
>annoying unlikeable character
>all the main characters hate him short of Goku after the "world spirit bomb"
>actually thinks he's the strongest and keeps making excuses

King
>just an unlucky dude always caught in fights
>gets credit despite saying it wasn't him
>decides to keep up the gimmick to give people hope against all the monsters
>silent and strong looking, people actually thought he was powerful when he first came on
>overall better drawn as a hero
>uses his fame to bluff against monsters and save people
>gets caught by Saitama, instantly apologizes. Saitama says he doesn't care since he's giving people hope and they become bros
>total bro character
>despite being a huge coward still stays around to help whenever he can/bluffs and saves enemy not caring about fame, just doing it to try and help

King is a bro and a better written character than Mr. Satan ever could be
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>>135709306
nah probably just wandered in space without breathing or some stuff. That was stupid to land him on the moon to begin with

>>135709331
there's a good fight
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>>135709306
What if Boros was aiming at the moon? It's not like he anticipated Saitama coming back.
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Why did Genos's beam vaporize Saitama's clothes but Boros's didn't?
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>>135684609
Then it parodies the manga aimed towards that demographic. Same shit. You're splitting hairs even though you acknowledge the argument for what it is.
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>>135673975
Who cares. Still the best anime of 2015, we all agree.
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>>135687758
>Being this dam retarded.
>And its only the 5th day of 2016
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>>135709458
People who call it deconstruction are false flagging shitposters.
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The problem that someone stated before:

Saitama is written as a gag character who can beat anyone with ease, but he's and the world he is in is written with enough realism and ideals that he becomes more than a gag, and this sends powerlevel/DBZfags batshit crazy trying to compare him to shonen characters.
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>>135709331

King is the best. Even if he's a fake, he has the balls to face an actual threat against the world despite he had no means to defend himself or to attack.
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>>135698573
But Popeye still can defeat you.
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>>135686166
Why are you using this as an argument?

The punch was tangent to the earth so it didnt blow up.

It's the same reason Gohan's kamehameha didnt destroy the earth when killing cell.
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>>135677464
>deconstruction
stop
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>>135688832
Was there any magical girl series doing the dark psychological breakdown of its cast before Madoka? I might just not know the genre well enough but it seems pretty edgy to me.
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>>135709453
With the mosquitoes? He wasn't wearing his durable costume.
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>>135709592
I like ONE and all, but get off the mans dick, he's not that good at writing
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>>135684609
Anything can be a genre if you choose to consider it one.
If there was a group of people who were particularly interested in watching shows whose titles begin with the letter C, then "C shows" would be a genre.
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>>135709776
>he's not that good at writing
You dont have to be to write a shounen though.

OPM straddles between gag and shounen and leans towards the latter outside of when saitama is looking potatofaced when fighting the big bad of the arc.

Not to mention that Murata's art makes everything seem more serious.
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>>135686517
>Saitama defeating King
Anime Fags are the cancer of the world
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>>135686554
You opm fags want to ruin literally everything
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>>135709788
Words for genres like action, sports or romanse specify what is particular manga about.
Words shounen and seinen don't.
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Obligatory crabpost
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ITT:
>One punch man is 2deep4u
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Here's the final post about Saitama vs [anyone]. Get ready.
Saitama would win no matter what because it would be funny. It will never not be a joke when he's fighting. Saitama wins no matter what. The opponent could be the most powerful version of superman who can lift infinity, become real and write the script, travel back in time and kill Saitama's great grandpa fused with every single dragon ball character going super sayain blue with both god hands, a golden gun, an invincibility star, piloting super tengen toppa gurren Lagann.
Saitama still wins and is holding back. It would be funny to see someone hyped up to be indescribably powerful be defeated in a single/few punches
Go discuss something else, you're wasting your time
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>>135686517
That comic was made in 2008. The webcomic OPM was made in 2009. I always assumed that One was just a 2.ch 4chan cross boarder and took inspiration from it and ran with it as his own comic

>sloppily drawn hero
>can beat anyone EVER
>not much of a personality
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>>135686517
>Brock Lesnar beat Undertaker at wrestlemania
>Brock Lesnar is the one true powerman
Brock Lesnar can beat Saitama
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>>135710351
You still find SAITAMAWINSLOL funny?
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>>135710514
Nobody really does. People just withstand so they can get to the good parts, the side characters.
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>>135673975
Anime adaptations always bring a loud retarded crowd.
Also Murata's art gave the impression that this was a super serious story meant to be taken super serious.
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>>135682528
Patrician taste
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>main character is a silly pun with the name of a Japanese children's show hero around which the series build a whole world for shits and giggles
>people think it's some DEEP commentary on things only retards would take seriously in the first place
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>>135678317
>american website
>Full of spics with broken english and owned by asians
God it even looks like america
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>>135682288
>Wrong, both Superman and Shazam struggled to lift it and barely could
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>>135711675
Ultraman was the one who lifted it by himself and read it
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>>135700073
>"it's copying Goku being invincible in the original Dragon Ball
Agreed, Goku's shit is getting stronger and becoming better warrior. And he never was unbeatable even in the original DB manga. He gets his ass beat then trains harder to beat the thing that beat him. I'll give death battle credit with the one thing they got right though, it makes him a great character.
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>>135709331
Fubuki, Bang, King and metal bat are the characters that make me keep wanting to come back.

King especially so. he just so fascinating, and his interactions with saitama are gold.
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>>135712042
honestly, how does Saitama copy Goku? saitama is the end game goku. Goku's character is to be come stronger. saitama's character is to be the strongest.
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>>135683191
Not to give Toriyama credit but it was overpowered, and you need a flaw to exploit for dramatic effect. You'll notice all the transformations after that had a timer on them. Fusing, SSJ3.
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>>135707638
Pretty much anyone in crisis can lately whether it be Black Widow or a medic with cancer.
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>>135709331
Mr. Satan isn't as horrible as you make him out to be (besides being a gigantic charlatan he's actually a pretty cool guy) but I agree that King is the better bro.

On the other hand, Mr. Satan is probably stronger than King. King is a big guy and probably pretty strong, but in the end he's just an otaku NEET that likes vidya. Mr. Satan actually became a martial arts champion through somewhat legitimate means and is probably the strongest non-ki powered human in his universe.
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>>135712384
>Pretty much anyone in crisis can lately whether it be Black Widow or a medic with cancer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVuawqOZCUU
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Why do autists love this "who would win" shit so much? I don't understand the appeal of Death Battle.
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>>135681390
This
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>>135712564
>I don't understand the appeal of Death Battle.
It's kind of like watching Mario vs Sonic videos on Newgrounds in the early 2000s except with a budget.
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>>135679129
>>seriously using TV Tropes as a real source for the definition of a word

This better be bait.
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>>135712405
Videl was already stronger than him before learning ki, but Satan is pretty strong (Though a lot of the previous World Strongest participants were probably stronger)
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>>135712564
>Whats so fun about watching your favorite childhood characters duking it out
This isnt abstract art you fucking autist, you may not like it, but dont go on about not understanding it
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>thread about why DBZfags are so retarded
>claim someone is stronger than goku
>DBZfags appear just to act retarded
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>>135712152
Exactly. Goku doesn't even even want to be the strongest ever. He just wants to be the strongest he can be. If he was like saitama, there'd be no one left to fight/ he'd curbstomp everyone and that would sadden and bore him. Being the strongest in the universe and having no one left to fight would be hell for Goku and undermine the point of his character
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>>135681352
There's always someone who needs to bring up /v/ or another board in these arguments ...
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>>135713086
>Saitama one-punches Goku
>Goku somehow survives it and gets up with a smile
>Vows to train even harder until he can take down Saitama
>Goku now has a new goal in his life
>Realizing that he only exists as a benchmark for others and with no aspirations for himself, Saitama's apathy grows even further

Nobody knows that feel.
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>>135713516
What if this is like Baki, and Saitama is like Yujiro? He's the bored strongest, and someone else has to reach his level so he can have fun.

King the Grappler.
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Can you ssj experts help me with my powerchart?

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>>135674621
>Superman
>no limits
Unless you're talking about DC 1 million's Golden Superman Prime that is.
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