Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1358

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

Of course, preserving the American dream has always meant creating opportunity for the most recently arrived Americans - those who have come here from other parts of the globe to work hard and build a new, better life.

Ｒｅｍｅｍｂｅｒ　ｔｈａｔ　Ｗａｎｉｋａｎｉ　ｉｓ　ｔｈｅ　ｋｅｙ　ｔｏ　ｓｕｃｃｅｓｓ！

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xth for dekinai

GIVE UP.

>>135597399
めちゃっぱいのために

Reminder Fakku will bring all your porn manga and porn games over so there's no point in learning. Just pay the $12/ month

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>make joke with tutor about kanji
>act self-effacing and humble in the hopes that he'll say something like "not at all! These look pretty good!"
>this happens instead and I'm not sure what he's implying

Is he encouraging me to practice more (because my kanji are ugly) or expressing surprise/impressed that I'm practicing?

I'll be the first to agree that they're not perfect but I feel like I improved a lot since the first one. I'm not going to argue that my kanji are beautiful because they're not; my main question is in regards to what the Japanese guy means.

>>135597672
He's acknowledging your efforts, even though they're a bit weak.

>>135597672
Basically "It's practice [so you don't have to be ashamed of sucking]!"

>>135597672
Holy shit those are the ugliest pieces of shit I've ever seen.

>>135597763
>>135597824
Okay! Thanks.

Does 髪 even see that much use? I at least want to know that my effort will pay off.

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>>135597848
He said himself that he knows they're bad.

>>135597672
>きれない

>>135597851
It means hair. It's pretty much always used when the word hair comes up. Make of that what you will.

>>135597672
>きれない

anyways even if he said they looked good you wouldn't believe him

>>135597930
'removal'
you dont see to much male pattern baldness amongst natives
some hit the jackpot and lack ALDH2 allele as well

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

>>135598115
>>135597925
What's wrong with kirenai?

>>135598115
let me add this, you are drawing it completely wrong. no matter how much you "practice" you won't get better because you're literally practicing drawing it wrong.

let me help you
>http://jisho.org/search/%E9%AB%AA%20%23kanji

>>135598208
That's the stroke order I was using. I guess my proportions are off.

I'll add it to tomorrow's set and write it some more. Thanks for the resource!

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>>135597672
>僕

>>135598149
CAN not*

>>135598320
Look at the length of the horizontal lines.

>>135598149
Lateness is the key to failure, you WILL not learn Japanese.

>>135598369
Anime does not reflect real life 1:1

>>135598200
きれい is a な-adjective. きれいじゃない。

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>>135598471
Oh, right.

>>135598440
Can you explain what that has to do with following the stroke order presented on Jisho?

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I spent 1 year doing nothing but a small amount of anki and some light Tae Kim reading. Took the whole year to finish Core2k pretty much. I then spent 1 year kicking it up a notch and reading hours a day. So I want to say, "I've only really been studying for 1 year" to make myself feel better about however progress I have, because "I can't understand X but I've only been studying for 1 year" sounds better than the same with 2 years. What do you think, everyone?

>>135598600
How good are you now?

>>135598600
I've only lived for 3 years. I say 3 years because I spent 18 years believing in god, whom I forsake during my 19th year after birth. I've only spent 3 years living as an Atheist, and quite frankly, I don't want to let anyone know that I was ever Christian.

>>135598560
Compare the kanji on Jisho with the handwritten ones in the picture. I never mentioned stroke order by the way

>>135598600
How about "I've been studying seriously for one year".

>>135598691
I'm good enough that not understanding something is embarrassing.

>>135598850
Specifics. How much vocab? How big is your anki deck? I've been "studying" for 4 years and I don't even know if I know 5000 words yet.

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>>135598440
Ah, I see what you mean.

Also dis nigga ain't me
>>135598560

>>135598848
just go with this, not that it matters in the end

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Can someone help me identify this katakana. At first I thought it was トス but the middle line on the ト would have gone the other way.

>>135598600
Just say that you've been at it for three months. People will think that you're smart.

>>135599026
>but the middle line on the トwould have gone the other way

What? No it wouldn't.

>>135598979
10,000 words, 2,610 kanji, many books read.
I didn't do listening practice for the entirety of both years though (just started today) so barely being able to follow 実況s on youtube and completely failing to follow the two lines spoken in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBkMljyAmng makes me feel bad. Ergo, defensively saying "1 year" instead of "2 years". Though, of course, I'm only half serious and don't actually think making a distinction like that is a meaningful thing.

>>135599063
I meant to say that it would point down rather than up not that it should be on the other side. But is it ト anyway though?

>>135599146
I would say so. The angle of it is probably just stylistic.

But I can't even write 髪 so don't take my word for it.

>>135599026
My porn instincts make me see it as メス

>>135598369
>he thinks people use 俺 in real life

>>135599088
It's not like you have to justify it, it entirely depends on your goals.

>>135599146
Yeah, the artist just doesn't give a fuck.

>>135599179
>>135599193
I'm going to go with ト because I searched for "heartbeat" on jisho and found どくん which is probably what those two other things are considering that's a still beating heart being pulled out of someone's chests.

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>>135598600
>What do you think, everyone?
I wish people would stop using the same handful of reaction images all the fucking time.
http://desustorage.org/a/search/image/NWMq1iF699V4d1LFLxU_DQ/

>>135598801
>Compare the kanji on Jisho with the handwritten ones in the picture
Kanji looks different in print than it does written by hand?
>I never mentioned stroke order by the way
That is what I gleamed from these two posts
>>135598208
>>135598440
Anyway, pic related is a small assortment of actual Japanese writing and the following link shows print and handwritten forms:
http://www.yamasa.cc/ocjs/kanjidic.nsf/7b05bc174a2b1b5249256a540000a8b8/82becd755a3a8d8949256a90002ec406?OpenDocument
To say that anon's 髪 was "completely wrong" is a pretty fucking stupid statement. Let me guess, you've been studying for a few months and know it all? Have you had to read hand written notes in Japanese written by a native before, anon? I'm guessing not, judging by your reaction. Basically people here look for chances to shit on the output of people, just like you've done to that anon.

>>135599356
>I wish people would stop using the same handful of reaction images all the fucking time.
That's a different reaction image though.

>>135599276
Only effeminate little bitches use 僕.

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>>135599356

>>135599088
2 years to be able to read most things is pretty good. Most people aren't neet

>>135599396
Same image, different resolutions and file hashes.

What text hooker should I use with VN's, chiitrans lite?

>>135599453
Look at the eyes.

>>135599428
Yes, well done anon.
We've been doing exactly that for the past 12+ years now; how wonderfully expressive and individual of you.

>>135599483
Yes

>>135599398
I bet you address people as omae as well

>>135599356
>Have you had to read hand written notes in Japanese written by a native before, anon? I'm guessing not
Not him but it's pretty true. I can read 800 Kanji + but reading Hiragana when my friend write them is already challenging. Kanji differ pretty when written by hand and also native speakers tend to make shortcuts or what one maybe would call a mistake. But native speakers don't like at every stroke at the Kanji, they look rather at the appearance and read it. So his 髪 should be easy to read even though one stroke is not right.

>>135599494
Would posting the same image but with the pupils focusing on a slightly different direction feel different to you?
Do you have autism?

There are way too many people in these threads that give advice despite not really knowing what they are talking about

>>135598600
I started 11 years ago and can't read much. Learning is measured in minutes and hours, not months or years. It isn't even worth thinking about.

>>135599088
What deck(s) do you use?

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My handwriting in high school was so awful even my teachers couldn't read it. I'd have to type and print everything. So, all these "can you read native handwriting" discussions are always laughable to me due to how subjective and variable it is.
>>135599572
I think the main thing is that the image he replied to wasn't even in the list of images he linked

>>135599398
No. Many people use 僕. You appearently don't know shit

>>135599532
Kisama, fuck off.

>>135599398
retarded weeaboo detected

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>>135599639
>kisama

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>>135599619

>>135599622
>I think the main thing is that the image he replied to wasn't even in the list of images he linked
Jesus fuck you are an autist, aren't you?
The main thing is that you retards post the same shit over and over with the slightest variance to keep it as pedestrian as possible in order to keep in-line with the accepted posting group think and not stand out.

You're predicable and boring, like any other sperg.

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What does 上品めに mean?

>>135599635
Many Japanese people are effeminate little bitches, yes.

>>135599712
>rotated monitor

>>135599517
Quick question, what is this "Atlas v14" it keeps asking me about. is it even worth trying to find a crack for?

>>135599773
it's a machine translator

>>135599712
Not him but the name deck is interesting. Where do you get the names from? Manga or a website? I also want to start learning names soon, but I'm not sure yet how to approach it, maybe you got some tips?

>>135599744
>め
derogatory suffix
"elegant people (losers)" kinda

>>135599744
め is used like -ish.

>>135599356
>To say that anon's 髪 was "completely wrong" is a pretty fucking stupid statement. Let me guess, you've been studying for a few months and know it all?
very stupid and wrong guess faggot.

calm down. in your zeal to diss someone on /djt/, you forgot to actually consider the material in question.

the handwritten form in your very own link only reinforces my assertion that he is practicing writing the character incorrectly.

specifically, in anon's "practice" you can see that the three strokes in the upper right are "nestled" inside of the upper left component, a major error that makes his writing look autistic as fuck. hence the reaction of his japanese study partner.

>>135599773
It's a machine TL. Just turn all that machine translation shit off and possibly the word highlighting and furigana too. I usually just copy the text from the texthooker into my browser and look up stuff through that since sometimes chiitrans parses stuff incorrectly and you can't highlight the word you need.

>>135599786
The deck purely exists as a way to inflate my KanjiGrid so my advice in that area is not useful at all. I just put any name into it that I haven't seen used in a word. 慧・けい for instance. (I know words exist on jisho). Will this help me read names? No clue, I just want the kanji.

>>135599751
Yeah just use 俺 one day long in Japan and tell me how it is. People won't tell you but it's really unnatural and rude if you use it with other people than your friends.

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Cultural references: the final boss of language learning?

>>135599891
Don't even respond. It's probably a troll and if not, is it really worth the time to speak to know it all weeaboos?

>>135599938
>troll
It's almost definitely ironic/joke
In weeb media characters that use

>>135599356
I am >>135598801 and >>135598440
Calm the fuck down dude, where did you get the assumption I was shitting on anyone?
Or, maybe, after he asked us about our opinion, not correcting him so that he'd keep on reinforcing a bad habit has become shitposting?
Yes, I have only been studying for a month or so, I studied that kanji today and I pointed out the way he was writing it was out of proportion compared to the standard form (not the print one).
Of course manual handwriting is going to look different, but when you learn you use the standard as an example, not deformed varieties.

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Why is 終物語 not spelled as 終わり物語り? I mean, why were the okurigana omitted? Or is this just some literary art style?

>>135600064
Throwing away conjugation kana that aren't part of auxilary verbs is common, *especially* for the masu stem form.

>>135600064
no fucking clue why, but you do see that kind of thing
I first remember being confused by
うみねこのなく頃に散
a number of years ago.

>>135600064
Guess because it has more than one 1読み
Just a guess though

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>>135599505
I made this one myself. I hope you enjoy it.

>>135599635
Fucking Boku no Pico ruined 僕 for me

>>135595983
I tried Re: but it felt like a really generic otome after the prologue, plus the really flimsy excuse for a "shinigami world" which was just a generic highschool infuriated me. Un: has a more interesting premise with the protagonist going to die in 30 days and it's overall shorter, meaning less filler. Pretty predictable, but cute and fun enough to read for a first VN.

Plus KENN has the most succulent voice in eternity, so that was a plus.

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>>135599891
Yeah, go in and don't come out before 俺 tell you to, you little bitch.

>>135600382
>僕 sign
nice touch

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>not using わたくし
Classless plebs.

is there some way to increase font size on FF for kanji, got it on meiryo currently and its still too small

>>135600064
This happens all the time, it's not just a Nisio thing. While I do see it for style people also use it for convenience's sake. You'll see 税込 a lot for example.

>>135600488
>not using われ
pls

>>135600527
Don't forget to treat や like a subject marker so that everyone feels included!

>>135600527
If you don't use 俺様 you're a beta kuck.

Not being a complete poorfag what is a good way to get into learning moonrunes? Rosseta stone has a sale going on here and the reviews look good but I dont know how they are really for learning to read. I orderred genki and japanese the manga way but really only have like an extra hour or two a day to practice. Any tips? Downloading anki now.

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>>135600038
Ignore him. You gave correct advice. Ironically, the link he posted (pic related) you actually supports exactly what you said.

Obviously he didn't actually look at the guy's handwriting, he just saw an opportunity to righteously blast off at someone, and took it.

He's an argumentative autist, most likely the same faggot who shitted up the last thread so badly. Just ignore him, seriously. He is incapable of admitting when he is in the wrong, even when he knows it.

>>135600498
On the top of my mind 気持ち can also be written 気持 with the same pronunciations IIRC

How do you change the hamster hand models in Higurashi: Nigger Love.

>>135600641
Buy lifetime wanikani sub.

>>135600641
Rosetta stone is pretty trash tbqh

I'd say if you're looking to drop some money, as a total package, Japanesepod101 is probably the best use

>>135600641
Learn to read English, lurk moar, read English and don't ask stupid questions newfag

>>135597657
>paying a sub for boring vanilla shit that they translate
Jacob is a nice guy and all but I'm not giving him a red cent. I'd prefer to keep my moon up to par so I can laugh at faggots that bitch about censorship while I read/listen to the original unfiltered material.

>>135600795
>nice guy
Heh.

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>mfw I understood this video without subs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw

>>135597672
He's saying it's supposed to be hard because it's practice. Man up, Kyle san!

>>135600741
Thank you. Probably will try jappod.

>>135600765
Kindly fuck yourself. Thank you.

>>135600683
Is that the app with the gator headed crab? Will check it out.

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>get a new word from reading a news article
>next day it shows up in core

>>135600641
WaniKani is perfect for you.

>>135597672

かえる、カイルーくん！

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>>135600382
>that filename
>that door plate
I'm crying

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>>135600836
>translator's note: keikaku means plan

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>>135600836

>>135600851
Can only tell when people are making fun of you when it's up front in your face?

>>135600873
I see people talk about this every thread for the last 2 weeks, what is it? Is it better than anki?

>>135597672
Your hand wouldn't be dead if you learned to write using RTK instead of this rote shit.

>>135601089
What do you mean?

>>135597672
>Being "humble" in search of praise.
You're the worst kind of faggot. Please die.

>>135601089
I honestly don't care if some child is having a giggle on 4chans most autistic board anon even if its at my expense.

>>135601106
Yeah, it's a bit like Anki, but better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgBAK1lCiCk

Just look at those balls. It's so much cooler than Anki's boring numbers.

>>135601106
It is a shitty app that artificially limits your ability to learn. Moreoer there is an anki version of wanikani deck. It is a meme response to dorks, never actually waste money on it.

>>135601125
WaniKani is an inferior version of anki that you have to pay for. The people recommending it aren't being nice.

>Contains literally wrong information
>Artificially limits your progress by making up radicals etc that don't exist
>Artificially limits your speed even if you want to faster; even if you go as fast as possible you can only go as fast as a normal anki user
>Locked in to it, you can't export your scheduling information
>Tells you whether you got something right, have to go outside the normal system to make "dad" a synonym for "father"
>The scheduling system is objectively inferior to Anki's
>Only customization is browser mods like scriptish
>Eventually ends and you're fucked if you want more content
>Costs money

>>135601174
Yep thats what I thought.

>>135600835
Well I used to do translation with him as the host for my blog. He was cool enough to foot that bill and give me pointers as far as working my way into the scanlation scene. If not for that I would have had no money through college.

Commission money like a motherfucker. Now I've pretty much dropped it because I've got a real job that pays about $30 an hour so translating and editing a 30 page book for $50 seems like a waste of my time now.

Now I just need motivation to get back in practice. I can feel it slipping.

If you guys are going to shitpost shill, you should at least do it for something funny like Rosetta Stone. Especially when we had a WaniKani anki deck in the CoR that works just fine.

>>135601229
It's only because you're a fellow Jew. The guy has nothing but contempt for the rest of us.

>>135601277
This please and thank you.

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>>135601166
God damn it. Now this is stuck in my head.

>>135601277
the new memes are too convincing
people will fall for wanikani
I miss "don't bother learning kanji since you can just write with hiragana"

>>135601396
I always got a chuckle out of the Tae Kim meme

>>135601282
>jew
>released a bunch of shit for free in english for authors that I liked that got zero attention and eventually because the ones people would dick ride
>took up commissions on request which were 90% material I wasn't interested in and nobody but the commissioner even gave a fuck about
Nah. I was doing a service to weebs with obscure taste in exchange for money. Most of what I did was free scanlation though.

>>135601166
lol how can you see this and deny that WaniKani is one of the better ways to learn?

>Mad poorfags still mad they can't get WK.
Forever mad.

How do I address myself?

Boku sounds like a beta cuck
Ore sounds arrogant
Watashi is for womyn

>>135601602
And then Jacob took you under his wing because you have a Jewish mom.

>>135601717
>Watashi is for womyn
That's false.

>>135601793

I'm not saying it is strictly for women but using it just feels wrong.

>>135601717
>Watashi is for womyn
It's also for polite educated men.

>>135601717
>Boku sounds like a beta cuck
describes you perfectly.

>>135601184
Why would they lie? They don't gain anything, do they?

>>135601830
For the same reason someone would tell you to learn English, lurk more, etc.

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What the fuck does ひろっとくわ mean? I get that he's probably saying if he sees her he'll do something but no dictionary or anything is showing anything relevant whatsoever. I've been running into this problem a lot. The past few pages have given me hell and I'm only getting started. Maybe I should wait and come back when I know more. Is he using わ like the feminine particle? I'm pretty sure he did it once on a previous page which confused me.

>>135601717
我 desu

>>135601741
Nah. He took me on almost immediately after I started. Still just did free shit. Honestly I started to fall off around the time that he started localizing books instead of letting them be scanlated like everyone was used to. By the time the whole wanimagazine shit fest went down I was far from giving a shit and just kept doing free releases. Some of them even from bosshi because fuck the system.

Never forget, boys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1TcDHrkQYg

>>135601870
拾う. You should get the yotsuba deck.

>>135601859
No reason to get so mad. What is wrong with you?

>>135601717
Let it be implied.

>>135601870
拾っておく
とく　＝　ておく

>>135601717
小生

>>135601870
ひろっておく

>>135601932
Where are you getting that I'm mad from?

Is it possible to restart a deck?
I used to do anki diligently, but ended up getting lazy and I forgot most of the words I was going through. How can I start over?

>>135600641
>Rosseta stone has a sale going on here and the reviews look good

Where the hell are you looking that Rosetta Stone is getting good reviews?

>>135601987
>delete deck
>re-download deck
>press start

>>135601987
Don't restart, just hit again if you don't remember the word.

>>135601988
rosettastone.com

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>>135601873
>>135601937

Those are used by chuuni, so no.
I want to use something that is used by someone who is dismissed as useless rather than praised as a great man.

>>135601988
Maryland.

>>135602105
boku

>>135601924
I can't find the fucking thing.

>>135602105
Talk about yourself in third person. No need to thank me

>>135601954
>>135601936
>>135601924

Thanks, there would be absolutely no way for me to figure that out. I did download the yotsuba pack last night but I haven't used the deck yet. I looked at the sentences to try and help decipher some things but there are only a few select sentences.

>>135601717
自分

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>>135602239

>>135602172
It's one google search away.

>>135602219

Yeah, I always avoid talking in first person but sometimes it's unavoidable.

>>135602239
Is probably the closest to what I want but it sounds too formal.

>>135602347
我が

>>135602238
～ておく -> ～とく
is a very common abbreviation so you'll get used to it soon enough.

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I know this isn't request but was wondering if someone could answer this for me: What does "majicka" mean? I hear Japanese say it when something doesn't go their way. I'm guessing it either means "damn it" or "almost had it".

>>135602411
'for real?'

>>135602347
某

>>135601184
Yeah, the joke is when you realize you learned 2000 over the course of a year and a half because you didn't crash and burn trying to do it all on your own with Anki.

It's cute that people on here think it's "hurting" people like Rosetta Stone though. I'm sure Kouichi loves the extra publicity.

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>>135602347
>Yeah, I always avoid talking in first person but sometimes it's unavoidable.
>>135602411
Are you serious? You can't be serious

>>135602411
Maji = serious, for real
Ka = question indicating particle

So "Seriously?"

>>135602411
It means the pleasure of being cummed inside WITH HATS ON

>>135602437
>>135602463
>>135602466
Thank you kindly!

>>135602347
Look no more, I got you covered:
身共

>>135602456
Posts like these are walking right on the fine line between blatant shitposting and someone who's just a retard. It's really confusing and I'm having a hard time telling who is genuinely defending it and who's just pretending to defend it because it's funny to them.

>>135602456
>2000 over the course of a year and a half
>~4 words / day
It really is hilarious.

>>135602559
Kanji, not words.

>>135602545
No one is making fun of them. Just read the guide, everyone recommends Rosetta Stone

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>>135602601
>~4 kanji / day
Seriously, I'm running out of air here.

>>135602601
That's not really better buddy, depending on the words you'd learn more kanji if it were 4 words per day.

>>135602639
2k kanji, 6k words
Glad my useless info is proving itself entertaining.

>>135602605

I started out with anki and got so burned out and behind on my reviews I quit japanese. I came back a year later and decided to try again with rosetta stone and it was the best decision I ever made. Rosetta stone makes things understandable for an english speaker to comprehend, unlike tae kim who basically speaks korean to you the whole time with his examples.

>>135602639
1.5 years for 2000 kanji is a respectable pace.

>>135602639
Go ahead and totally run out of it so I don't have to see your shitposting ruining the thread.

>>135602725
See, now, THIS is the kind of shitpost that can really take people in and ruin lives. Well done, 9/10.

>>135602725
>Rosetta stone makes things understandable for an english speaker to comprehend,

Rosetta Stone literally explains nothing. It is also boring as shit.

>>135602515
>>135602439
>>135602379

Those sounds like it's used by kanji desu family.
I want something like the "I" of English language, it doesn't leave any impression when you hear it.

>I can make America great again.
>I love meaty cocks.

It sounds so transparent.

>>135602743
>respectable
Easy, leisurely and effective, not respectable. You could easily, and I mean very easily, be learning twice as fast.

>>135602702
Have fun forgetting a 100 kanji everyday until you burn out and haven't even gotten past basic grammar.

>>135602838

>kanji

I mean chuuni

>>135602838
Use "watashi". It's the default. Womyn use "atashi" anyway.

>>135602785
>shilling for wanikani
>I'm the one shitposting
Seriously, it's not really funny though. Wanikani is shit and you should feel ashamed to propagate it.

60 kanji per day or you're incompetent.

The "learning Japanese" meme has to stop. Japanese is not a western language and works based on completely different concepts, there is no learning involved.

What you need is a yamato damashii and good intuition. The scribbles(you call them kanji) are just aesthetics and have no semantics value, you are meant to feel the language.

>>135602920

>not 300 per day

>>135602900
lol. Yeah, giving people effective learning tools really burns you huh? Too bad DJT made it a meme without realizing it'd be the most effective tool for 90% of it's readers. It'll probably keep showing up more and more.

>>135602941
This.

The easiest way to do this is to watch anime. Your brain will eventually start understanding words from context and then whole sentences, including grammar, just like children do

>>135602985
I know you're joking but 60 a day is just easy.

>>135603028
It's an effective tool if you like a lack of context and learning falsehoods

>>135602725
Stop talking shit! Tae Kim is a girl.

>>135603028
Wanikani is effective sure, but anki is much more efficient and it's free, hence wanikani is a complete waste of money and advocating it is immoral.

>>135602725

rude af desu

>>135603033
>>135602920
>60 kanji a day
bro I do 100 kanji a day
your pleb if you do less than 80

I don't know who is false flagging who anymore in this shit.

>>135603029
The difference is that it's easier to learn a language as a kid, After you turn 12 (?) or something it get's harder. If it were this easy everyone would just watch Animu. And even if what you said would work out, you still can't read nor write.

>>135603033

This is doable, considering I learn 20 kanji everyday for less than an hour.

But I think it will burn you.

>>135603159
All that matters is that the paid version of WaniKani is shit and that if you want to use it you should use the superior illegally ripped and 100% free as in freedom anki deck version.

>>135603220

This.

>>135603102
Much more efficient for the same content? Not really. WK divides everything into an easily digestable, step by step program with an attractive interface and nice community. Just accept it's not for you and move on from this silly anti-WK crusade.

>>135603196
It depends on how much you're learning and how much you've got on your card. I can do ten cards per minute because I'm only memorizing their general meaning and it's all I have on my card. After you count in reps and failed cards I only need 15 minutes or so to do my daily reps, and that's if I'm slow.

Does anyone else here use memrise instead of anki for words before they start mining?

>>135603266
I honestly can't reply seriously to your post, sorry, it's just too ridiculous. Goodnight, hope you can sleep well tonight knowing you're a terrible human being.

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>>135603266
>WK
Horrible mnemonics for kanji
HORRIBLE community that thinks anything more than 10 new words a day is impossible
Elitist attitude that's even stronger than here: "I'm a higher level so I'm better than you"

Ｒｏｓｅｔｔａ　Ｓｔｏｎｅ　ｉｓ　ｔｈｅ　ｋｅｙ　ｔｏ　ｓｕｃｃｅｓｓ！

>>135603390
Just let him be. Some people like to go back and forth and pay a lot of money. Everyone here knows that Anki is superior so he will also see it sooner or later.

>>135603390
I understand, it's hard not to shitpost. Just go back to posting dekinai chan and maybe you'll learn a new katakana honey.

>>135603428
>filename
>pic has radicals

>all these peeps talking about learning in order to procrastinate on actually learning

>>135603565
Most of those are actual kanji.

What do you pleps think about Read Real Japanese? Shit is harder than I thought it is because of the not so common Vocab from time to time

>>135603669
I never heard of it but you may as well just read real japanese

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>>135603511
I'm already way past the level where wanikani could do any good for me (yet anki never ceases to be a good tool). Trust the word of experience son, it's crap. Complete, undiluted, overpriced crap. Don't buy into the pretty interface, they're selling you something that's worse in every aspect compared to what you can get for free. The only advantage you get is that it saves you the minor hassle of setting up anki. If you think that's worth your money by all means be my guest, buy their crap, but don't come here shilling this shit as if it were any good cause that's just evil behavior. It benefits those conmans at Wanikani and it might harm the progress of serious potential learners.

>>135603731
It is real japanese. You should google it. It's basically real japanese, so often pretty formal and shit, but every sentence has a transcript on another page + at the end of the book is explanation for grammar if you haven't learned it. I think it's in one of the guide folders, I downloaded it some time ago if you are interested

>>135603791
WK is not supposed to BE Anki. Nobody says you can't use Anki at the same time, or use Wk for ten or so levels with the monthly plan then switch to anki once you know SRS and a having a regular review schedule works.

And I'm not "shilling" anything, I just think it's hilarious people think they're "tricking" people by showing them a website that'll learn a large amount of kanji in a respectable amount of time that works for 99% of learners.

People can look at the site and decide for themselves, just please, please, stop shitposting day and night about the ~evils~ of wanikani and do something goddamn productive with your time.

>>135604000
>learning something at less than 10% the pace you can is respectable

How would you say "forever young" in Japanese?

>>135604045
>10%
>most people here do core 6k in less than 2 months
Try a less laughable hyperbole next time.

>>135604171
Try 4 kanji a day when you can do 50 without any trouble at all

>>135604000
It's not a respectable amount of time, it's ridiculously slow.

It is tricking them because you can get everything they offer in a more customizable format for free, and without the stupid made up radical names which often have nothing to do with what they actually mean, a disservice to the learner who never gets to realize that those radicals are often working as a hint to the meaning of the kanji and will be completely lost in the future when somebody refers to the radicals by their actual names.

Finally, I seriously suspect you are quite literally shilling.

>>135604145
いつまでも若いまま

ジェット燃料は鉄骨を溶けない

>>135604145
永遠の１８歳

>>135604346
I can't read half of this. ;_;

>>135604432
Don't want to say forever 18 though, if I'm reading this properly.

>>135604145
フォレヴァーヤング

>>135604465
俺はおちんちんが大好きなんだよ。

>>135604274
Ah, yes, that moment in Panty Quest XXII when the main character all start making food puns involving radical names. So common. I agree some of them are bad but they don't matter nearly as much as you're whining about them.

Anyway, this argument is getting boring so let's stop.

>>135604612
Yes, and you stop shilling you lousy scumbag

>>135604523
>>135604491
>>135604432
>>135604346
Fuck you I'll just use katakana.

>>135604651
了解お兄様（●＾o＾●）/

>>135604671
「笑」

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>>135604000
それだけの話
ただ
それどけの話だった
This confuses me. Is it saying "This is the extent of its story". "This was the extent of its story."?

>>135604716

What a faggot.

>>135604718
>not (笑)

>>135604763
Oops, didn't mean to link the other post.

I'm a gay man learning Japanese.

麗
この精液の悪魔は誰?

>see a word for the first time
>has a kanji with multiple frequently used readings
>read it correctly
Feels pretty good desu senpai.

>>135604894
Start a youtube channel.

Where's the WaniKani deck? I'm convinced it's better than Core2k.

>>135601717
あたし is for the DJT veterans.
Not sure if you can handle it, though, anon.

>>135604984
This is the best post I've read in a while.

>>135605003
>not 僕ちん
http://hownew.ru/

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>>135604894

Japanese the Manga Way + WaniKani + Tae Kim + Anime = Give up in a week.

>>135605086
Gonna need a source there, bud.

Daily reminder to only use
私自身

>>135605003
あたしの思う

>>135605121
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=53637778

is there a dictionary that points out the origin of foreign words in katakana? I can tell テスト comes from the english test, but then there's アンケート and other non-english words that aren't easy to tell their origin, let alone names.

>>135605329
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B1%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88

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My daily writing post. How's everyone's 今年の抱負？

>>135605438
Unless you're asking for help or offering advice this is just attention-whoring, stop.

日本語はとても難しい、でも私がすきです

>>135605486
Are you envious I know more Kanji than you?

>>135603669
I almost posted the exact same thing earlier. I thought having completed Hanahira and Flyable Heart that Read Real Japanese would be a walk in the park. I haven't finished the first page yet. All the であるs are messing with me, I'm just not used to it. I also tried to just follow along with the recording, but my eyes can't keep up because I'm not used to the vertical text and the fast speed.

I expect to learn a lot by going through it, but it will probably take awhile.

I also learned that a snipe(鴫) is a real animal. I know that "snipe hunting" is a prank, so I always thought it was just some imaginary creature.

>>135605438
This WILL stop. Even if I have to call Hiroshima himself.

I'm having the notion that different writing systems develop different muscles within the arms and hands, and that the damn nihonjin must have stronger muscles because of the complexity of stroke writing order. Is that also the reason why they draw a fucking lot?

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>>135605438
Why is everything so blue?

>>135605643
Think of how many Americans handwrite constantly. Even fewer Japs write. Sorry I just wrecked your weeb worldview.

>>135605522
>snipe
Where do you think the word "sniper" comes from Anon?

>>135605691
as in they are unable to write, or as in they barely write because it's such a hassle?

>>135605643
Nips don't give a fuck about 書き順.

>>135603731
>>135605522
i own both books, fiction and nonfiction. they're pretty educational.
As far as the fiction goes, that story about the bear is pretty boring
my favorites are ミイラ (really lewd tbqh) and 百物語

between the two, the nonfiction one is the harder read.

>である
it's essentially a formal form of です. also you will see a lot of -り form as a conjunction where you would normally see -て or -し in dialogue. these are literary forms basically.

>>135605496
What does you being likeable have to do with japanese being hard?

>>135605776
They barely write because it's 2016.

>>135605522
I know how you feel /a/non. I was reading the same page for over an hour to understand the grammar. It gets easier after this because you get used to it.
I tried to read another story. There was 'アバタもエクボ' written, which means 痘痕も靨 (love makes blind). Kinda surprising how they describe some things there
The horizontal lines are also kinda hard but you also get used to this.
>I also learned that a snipe(鴫) is a real animal. I know that "snipe hunting" is a prank, so I always thought it was just some imaginary creature.
I still don't understand this part. Where did you find it? I just skipped this because I couldnt make sence of it

Read Real Japanese is going to be this week's WaniKani. Buckle up.

>>135605809
I liked the bear one best. I want to be as polite as that bear when I grow up.

>spending more time shitpost on this thread instead of learning
Just give up!

>>135605903
Sure thing, ESL.

I'm just now trying to move on to kanji, and I'm wondering what people's thoughts on KanjiDamage is. The guide says the introduction and certain aspects of the site are wrong; what aspects exactly?

I kinda wanted to try that out because I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing with the Heisig site. It's telling me to type in stories or some shit. I thought the stories would already be there for me to memorize.

>>135605965
www.wanikani.com
Gives you kanji, the radicals and vocab that goes with the kanji.

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>>135605753
I actually thought snipe came from sniper, not the other way around. I didn't realize I was wrong until yesterday when I was reading the Wikipedia article on snipes.

>>135605809
>it's essentially a formal form of です
Even though I know this, it still messes me up for some reason. I just need to read more and it will go away.

>>135605826
Just Google 鴫. It would have been easier if the author translated it as a sandpiper, I think that term is more common.

>Read Real Japanese
What is this new meme?

>>135605965
Don't listen to this poster >>135606006
he is intentionally trying to miguide you

>>135605965
Use this site for RTK stories:
https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/
Follow along with the RTK ebook; you need it for the primitives and introduction. You don't need to use the koohii site at all.

>>135606043
WaniKani is miles better than RTK. The anti-WK shitposting is out of control. I'll probably have to discuss it with a moderator.

>>135605965

Use Rosetta Stone and don't look back. It's worth the money because it's all encompassing and by the time you finish you'll know enough to self study.

>>135606069
This. It's gone from "WaniKani could be more efficient" to "WaniKani is a complete scam and doesn't teach you ANY Japanese!!!"
Fucking idiots.

>>135605961
That's right EOP

>>135605856
That'd be nice. Read Real Japanese is really good and the content is harder than what most in this thread are used to, so they might learn a lot from it.

>>135606196
Where do I get it? There's an audio portion?

>>135606041
Not a meme, at least in the sense that someone is legitimately trying to misguide you.

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>>135603077
That's one pretty girl right there.

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>>135606232
It is in the CoR somewhere, and there is audio for all of the stories in the book.

I bought mine.

>>135606295
he looks cool

>>135606232
Read Real Japanese Fiction is in the CoR:
https://mega.nz/#F!i8kCXYqa!_IOb4OSXcjO1aj_3ZmXnYQ

The others haven't been added yet so you'll need to hunt them down.

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Reminder that the thread itself is misleading horrible trash for beginner level questions and that you should just pick resources / methods from the guide and find what works for you.

I hope guide anon finishes the new version soon, because with all the NYRs flooding in with all this shitposting and purposefully misleading posts, the threads are going to be pretty horrible for the next few months.

>>135606048

RTK eBook?

>>135606069
>>135606163

Wait, so is it bad or good?

>>135606310
All this meme in one picture is a bit overwhelming. May I suggest more of a balance?

>>135606425
It would be decent if it were a free anki deck, such as the WaniKanji deck available in the CoR for 100% off.

>>135606425
see >>135601218

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>>135606425
WaniKani is good, RTK is not good. It other words, fuck RTK.

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Someone on lang-8 friended me and gave me a "line ID". What is that? Apparently it's an app?

>>135606482
Both of them are shit just use Rosetta Stone.

>>135606482
I don't think anyone has ever said RTK was good. It really shouldn't be listed in the guide.
>Learn these stories so you can recall useless information that doesn't help you read at all!

>>135606425
>RTK eBook?
You need it for the explanation of the method, to know what you're learning each chapter and to learn the primitives. Just use the Koohii stories instead.

>>135606498
It's Japanese Whatsapp.

>>135606506

Seriously. All these beginners start and quit within a month because they aren't using the right methods and following these suggestions. "Wankikani, RTK" just use Rosetta and be done with it.

Reminder that the anti-WaniKani sentiment is a view held by a small number of argumentative autists. /DJT/ easily becomes an echo chamber for some topics due to the low amount of original posters.

>>135606498
No one in Japan uses Whatsapp or whatever messaging App you use. Everyone here uses LINE

>>135606349
He looks like your average bellend.

>>135606425
It's shit and it's paid. Two reasons to stay clear of it.

>>135606679

Okay, so what would you recommend? And is KanjiDamage not worth it either?

>>135606646
No, it used to be the consensus that it's a waste of money until recently when for some mysterious some anons started to defend it with a passion recently.

>>135606713
KanjiDamage and RTK belong to an entirely new level of garbage that is worse than WaniKani. KanjiDamage is better than RTK though. At least it teaches readings.

>>135606713
KD is also chock full of misinformation. It makes little difference in the end though. What's important is how much time and effort you spend every day.

>>135606713
Just try them all and stick with the method you think it's best. For individual Kanji study, you've got the following options:
>Remembering the Kanji with Koohii stories
>Kanji Damage
>Learn the radicals and learn Kanji through vocab
>Move on to vocab at once

>>135606735
I'm sure you've got a monthly subscription to some other fag shit. Just cancel that and sub to WK.

>>135606735
They're out to trick all the retarded nyrfags

/djt/ becomes like /r/learnjapanese in the first months of each year what with beginners giving shitty advice to other beginners

>>135606646
No it isn't. WaniKani is literally shit for retarded normalfag redditors who don't mind spending over $200 on this >>135601218. The recent WK shilling isn't funny.

Something like RTK (which almost everyone just pirates, uses a deck for, and uses koohii stories or their own stories instead of Heisig's shit stories) or KD which actually works for people depending on what they want (usually handwriting and having an easier time with vocab) and they can go at their own pace instead of paying a subscription to be slowed to a crawl? Sure, I understand that, but the legitimate WK shilling needs to stop.

>>135606806
I am subscribed to literally no internet service and if I were it would be for a good reason, why would I switch that for something useless?

>>135606840
The anti WaniKani stuff is getting just as ridiculous. It works for some people.

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Getting motivated to consume content is getting increasingly difficult, even for stuff I want to read. Seems like all I end up doing is fapping to a nukige then wasting time for the rest of the day because nothing else holds my interest and is easy enough to be smooth going. I guess this is a weird position. I opened up an ero manga (http://exhentai.org/g/889420/a1efbbbf1f/) and read it without needing to look up a single word, or struggling with any aspect of the grammar. In a position like this, it's hard to know what to do. In the early days, everything is beneficial. But now, I have to seek out hard stuff or just not progress. But, it's hard to motivate myself to consume any of that. I just don't feel the drive. The only really challening content I'm consuming is JAVs and youtube videos, but in those I just let the voices drift through me, catching what I can, it doesn't feel constructive or beneficial at all. どうすればいいのか・・・

Is it a waste of time to watch raw anime and try to figure out what they're saying? Will I subconciously "absorb" shit? Sounds too easy.

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is there a limit on these things? I wish these cards would fuck off once they hit 1 year.

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>>135606599
>>135606649
I see now. Thanks.
Since I never talk to anyone my conversational skills are going to suck but I'll never get better if I don't practice.
For anyone practicing production has there been anything you've done that proved to be helpful? Like maybe you memorized certain sentence patterns or something?

>>135606840
It's reddit. I see so many shills at reddit and now the shills have come here.

>>135606868
It doesn't matter that it works, you can get something better for free. That's like selling somebody a bottle full of air and justifying it by saying "Hey, this is real oxygen, it works!"

>>135606919
>you can get something better for free
Debatable. The presentation and explanations of WK are more helpful than looking at flashcards with no context for an hour.

>>135606902
Why does it matter? Hit easy now and you probably won't see it again.

>>135606892
If you study properly it works. If you try to learn just from watching anime it won't work.

>>135606892
If you don't understand anything being said, you might aswell use English subs. You will still subconciously "absorb" shit and there are multiple people who learned Japanese from watching subbed anime

>>135606868
a 20mpg car with a 20mph speed limit will get you the same places as a 60mpg car with a 100mph limit. However, one is objectively better in every way. The only people who prefer the 20mpg car are those either ignorant of the 60mpg car's benefits, or those who are too stubborn to change despite knowing their way is less effective.

This may sound like a deceptive analogy. It's not. Wanikani is the same SRS system as anki, but objectively worse in all functionalities. No one who prefers WK has ever been able to offer a single valid reason for doing so, in fact most of their reasons end up revealing their ignorance of anki and how it works. Anti-wani sentiment is so strong because Wani is bad enough to deserve it, and is completely unable to defend itself because it's jus tthat bad in reality.

>>135606803

Alright, well maybe I can help narrow it down.

What would be the best option for someone who has about an hour or two a day to learn Japanese? It's kind of why I didn't like the look of the koohii site, it looked like it over-complicated things.

KanjiDamage promised it would simplify things and give me a concrete base understanding of things, but the guide said it has some misinformation. I didn't want to waste my time with it if it would work against me, which is why I was wondering what type of misinformation it is and how much of an impact it will have on my learning. But apparently, it's not too big a deal from what I'm seeing from other people.

Fuck off shills. Advertising is against the rules.

>>135607003
the 60mpg car is also free and the 20mpg car costs money

>>135607003
The 20mph car is much safer. Enjoy crashing into a tree and killing yourself.

>>135606978
>presentation
Literally useless. If you want to pay for pretty colors go ahead, you're an idiot. The functionality of the interface itself is terrible because of all its limitations.

>explanations
As has been said multiple times, your shit site is full of misinformation about what radicals signify. That's not helpful, it's harmful.

>It costs money so it's bad.
That's about what you'd expect from a site populated by mostly NEETs. Just take anonymous opinions with a grain of salt. You can try WaniKani to see if you like it anyway so all this arguing is pointless.

>>135607075
Fuck off. Go shill your site somewhere else.

>>135607057
I don't like bringing money into it to avoid >>135607075
>>135607067
Anki has more customization options (such as new card amount + review limit) so it is safer than wanikani. Like I said, Wani has no defense.

>>135607007
>What would be the best option for someone who has about an hour or two a day to learn Japanese?
Read Tae Kim, find an Anki deck for vocab you like and do it. Read about japanese in general on the side all the time -- this will clear up a lot of confusion right out of the gate, without having to ask people for help. Kanji study is optional.

>>135607067
Or you could just drive the 60 mpg car at 20mph.