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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>135484746
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

Work hard for your goals and live in the moment.
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Oh god, the crosses
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Is there a deck out there for taekim that goes past essential grammar?
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>tfw can feel my kanjigrid dick swelling
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>>135547209
Just make one as you go.
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>>135547209
DOJG deck covers literally everything Tae Kim does
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>>135547059
where is this image from btw?
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Guys, I fell for it. I fell for the god damn jouyou troll. I've learned all jouyou and jinmeiyou kanji and just as I thought I was gonna be finished with kanji, my teacher dropped the bomb: The average japanese person can read 20 000 kanji. TWENTY THOUSAND FUCKING KANJI. I'M NOT EVEN AT 3000.

Studying Japanese was a mistake.
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/intermediatehell/ here. I've decided to become an NYRfaggot. Need some ideas for goals.

Any NYR here? What's your goal?
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>>135547460
It's from a manga called "New Game!".
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>>135547525
If you're trying to be funny then it's not working anon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ-4_SV713M
Would learning the art of the ninja raise my affinity with Japan in such a way that mastering the language would become easier?
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>>135547119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DejrMMfy20
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Well i know you guys like to call people retarded and correct them. B-be gentle.

http://dec.2chan.net/62/res/14316.htm

スレ画からして荒らしが立てたキチガイスレにしか見えない

"From the start this thread has been trolls (was made by trolls), i see nothing but a thread of madness."

星空見る人らじゃないの?
昔から天文部とか一定数の女子いたけど

Aren't they a group of stargazers?
There have always been a certain number of girls in astronomy clubs and the such, however"

コックになって素手で一個師団を壊滅させるまでもうすぐだな。

????
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>>135547606
There's nothing funny about this. I was an NYR last year, if I'd known the amount of kanji was this insurmountable I never would've started, but I was never told of the 20 000 kanji. The worst part is that another generation is gonna be tricked by the jouyou posters in the following weeks, I weep for thee.
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So how do you learn a word in anki?
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>>135547583
I think the best resolutions are those you can think of and work on. For instance, if you say "I want to get healthy", you'll soon forget the NYR and not really do anything about it. But if you say, "I want to maintain a schedule of x reps of y exercise a day" then it's something you can focus on and actually work on.

Therefore, for Japanese, a good NYR would be something like "finish a full length VN / LN / novel every month", or "hit x,000 new words added in anki". If it sounds like that's just work, well yeah, that's what it is. I think a lot of people approach NYRs as "wishes" - I wish to be good at Japanese, so my NYR is "i want to be good at Japanese". That's why people fail, because they're wishing not working.

My NYR is to finish Legend of Galactic Heroes.
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>>135547583
Finish some anki deck.
Read x books a month/year
Read an online newspaper every day.
Voice chat with Japanese people more.
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>>135547525
>The average japanese person can read 20 000 kanji
Fuck off, they can't.
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>>135547685
>20 000 kanji
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>>135547725
>>135547751
>mt. stupid
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>>135547837
Says the guy who hasn't even started climbing yet.
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>>135547880
At least I have acknowledged the steepness of my path
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>They didn't use visualizing Japanese grammar
Fuckin lelk
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>うわ、出た。そうやって、自分だけ慎ましい女の子路線でいこうとしてさぁ
>Wow, you said it. Just like that, you try for the quiet girl's route on your own.
Is that right?
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>>135547675
>コックになって素手で一個師団を壊滅させるまでもうすぐだな。
The time when [something] becomes a cook and [they] destroy an entire division with their bare hands isn't too far off, huh?

I read the thread up until that post but I still don't really understand the context so I'm not sure what the subject of the sentence is.
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I realized just today I forgot to do my reps yesterday. I guess this is it for me.
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>>135548793
And another one bites the dust.
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>>135548793
>not done yet with yesterday's reps
Wew.
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>>135547583
What game is that?
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>>135547837
>>135547880
>>135547949
These guys
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Word of the day: 自然発火

例文:最近、DJTを閲覧する際、このクソ野郎自然発火で急逝してくれればいいのになぁと、頻繁に思うようになってきた
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Since it's the new year I'm going to learn Japanese in the new year!
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>>135549182
How about you go back to learning Japanese instead?
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Can we please come up with some common strategy or study guidance?

I know there is no one size fits all and you guys love to argue about this but can we set some guidelines?

Such as (maybe not true):
Finish reps every day.

Struggle with given sentence for no more than x time, the bitch to djt to help.

Read this manga, not that one.

Etc.
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What do I have to block to get rid of the crosses?
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>>135549447
Don't we already have that?
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>>135549315
励ましてくれてありがとうございます
この私はもう日本語の勉強を一瞬も忘れずに日々を過ごしているつもりですけど、これからもっと頑張ってみます
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>>135549447
>Read this manga, not that one.
Doesn't matter what you read as long as it's native Japanese and compelling to you.
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Is there a chart for easy to read VNs?
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>>135549497
link?
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>>135549515
hanahira
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>>135549447
How about "learn to think for yourself"?
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>>135549530
I was hoping for one with more interesting plots.
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>>135549508
文法も単語の使い方も全部ばらばらだから、日本語をろくに使えないくせに日本語で書き込むなといってるのよー
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>>135549513
That is not true. A few simple ideas:

Certain genre of manga (im looking at you sol manga) do not use certain words or grammar structures, or not frequently enough (i challange you to find jplt lvl 1 and 2 grammar in certain manga)

The writing style in a manga is more often than not conversational. It does not give adequate exposure to other writing styles, which again use different structures.
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>>135549515
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>>135549660
ごめん、それは無理。こういう設定ですから。
それに、私の日本語はそんなにひどくはないと思いますよ。大雑把な批判をしないでちゃんとミスを指摘してくれれば助かります、いろいろと。
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>>135549845
Why are you making a post only you can read?
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>>135549845
いや、割と酷いよ、分かってない様だけど…
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>>135550103
そうかそうか、どうやら指摘できないようですね
まぁ、気にしないで。いつかはきっとその生意気なアノンさんにも努力の報いが訪れるでしょう
ですから、今のところはそういうチンコ比べみたいな真似をやめようね
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>>135549447
>Can we please come up with some common strategy or study guidance?
Sure:
Step 1: use your fucking brain.
Step 2: now learn Japanese.
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>>135549520
google.com
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>>135547721
Is that screen indicative of the general difficulty level of that VN ?
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What's the term for viewer numbers in terms of like tv series and anime?
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Is Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai easy?
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add ||s.4cdn.org/js/eoe2016.1016.js
no more shitty crosses from 2deep4u
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>>135550568
>>135550332
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>箱入り娘
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>>135550560
視聴者数 (しちょうしゃすう)
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>>135550646
arigatoj
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>>135547721
>tfw can read this without a dictionary
Is this game as easy as that screenshot?
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>>135550559
>general difficulty
Yup
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>>135550687
In between the math infodumps, german chants, etc, absolutely.
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>>135550816
That looks like a sentence I wouldn't understand if it was in English!
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>>135550883
dumb poster
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What shit, is that actually ぞい I see there? Cool beans.
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>>135551065
Is she like a better version of Aoba?
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>>135550816
>math infodumps
math major reporting in. it actually is compelling to me to learn how to talk about math in japanese. plus fap material perhaps i've just found my VN of choice.
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>>135551172
I was actually joking. That is the sole line of math in the entire game that I've seen.
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:stopcrosses:
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>>135550816
What is she saying there about angle A and theta?
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>>135551201
Were you lying about the general difficulty of the VN too?
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>>135551479
Because angle A is 0, cos thera is equal to 1/2?
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>>135551429

see >>135550585
if you dont have adblock, i feel bad for u son
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>>135551563
Disabling your 4chanx briefly to press the :stopcrosses: button at the top right works too.
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>>135551479
>Ah. Because if we set theta equal to the size of angle A, the cosine of theta is 1/2
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>>135551541
>lying
I-it's just a joke. C'mon, math infodumps?

Anyway, no, the VN in general really is easy.
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/135292629/#135295509
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>>135550816
>>135551479
>>135551707
I read theta as 0. Whoops.
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>>135547035
If anyone prefers video lessons, Georgia Public Broadcasting has Japanese I and Japanese II for free, that come with free worksheets as well. http://www.gpb.org/irasshai
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To the anon who told me how to get Rikai to read words from .pdf files properly, thanks. May your reps be fast and your retention be high.
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>>135551734
> I blush just thinking of the girls and the relationships we had
Gayest thing I've read this year.
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>>135551889
>he didn't browse the new years railgun thread
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FUCK THESE VNS THAT TREAT KISSES LIKE SUCH A BIG DEAL. I CAN'T FUCKING STOP CRINGING
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>>135551889
> ah man, it's so great. It's like I really was in love with someone who loved me back.
Yea, I'm not on to judge but god damn this is some teenage girl shit if I ever saw it
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>>135552001
>he's not a little girl reading chinese picture books about dating older teenage girls
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>>135551966
look at this risqué little bitch
i bet you'd even hold hands while walking, you sick fuck
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>>135552153
nigga I hold my bitches on a leash with my dick
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I'm going to read HoshiOri I guess. My new year's resolution will be to finish this before 2017.
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>>135552153
>hold hands
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>>135552153
Prudes, please die. There's no point in any of it if you don't even get to embrace your loved one.
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>>135552316
SO LEWD...
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>>135551857
>Lesson 4- Numbers
>that song
I-I can't take it!
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>>135552316
now thats crossing a line buddy
mods not gonna debate this one for long
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>>135552316
>TL'd
Fixed, but uncensored, so be careful
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>>135552778
Permaban incoming for posting such a lewd picture
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Hello all,

When applying the discount code "wanikani heart textfugu" on a year subscription on Wanikani, it brings the total down to $50 for a year. However, it also has a category labeled "Good for" with "forever" being the value. What exactly does this indicate? Does it mean that in 1 year, should I decide to renew, that it will again be priced at $50 for a year?

Thanks!
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>>135552925
Yes. Even if you stop your sub, it will be $50/yr afterwards.
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>>135552925
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>>135552925
You close the tab and then go download the Anki deck version for free instead of paying to put a limit on your own rate of progress.
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>>135552925
Great to see others using great services like wanikani!
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>>135552964
JUST BUY IT
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>>135552984
>responding to shills
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>>135553031
>shills
Redditors
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/3z2jn8/i_have_a_question_regarding_wanikani_subscriptions/
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>>135552925
>he still thinks reposting stuff from reddit is funny when we still get legitimate questions that are as dumb as this all the time
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>>135552778
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>>135552984
It'd lack WaniKani's patented technology, so no.
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Is it really possible to learn Japanese by yourself? I'm having a hard time believing you can get to a decent level without being tutored.
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>>135553083
I went from 0 to reading visual novels and manga without much issue, all by myself, no tutors.

The fundamental aspect of learning a language is exposing yourself to native material, i.e. reading and listening. You obviously do not need a tutor for that.
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>>135553083
No, it's absolutely impossible to understand something without having it explained to you by an overpaid babysitter.
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>>135553057
Patented "learn Japanese much slower than you could be" technology
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>>135553083
You can become fluent if you devote enough time. The more sources you use, the better

but some hands on experience with the language is always a good thing too, not necessary though
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>>135553083
Oh look, more copypasta
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>>135553124
But if you make a mistake no one will be there to correct you.
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>>135553181
Don't make mistakes then.
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>>135553181
Over time, mistakes will be worn down by simple exposure. It's really hard to maintain misunderstandings when exposed to so much content, trust me. It's not as big a deal as you might think.
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Hello reddit.
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>>135553181
>B-b-but I might get something wrong.
This is a newfag concern, from my experience.

I used to put all sorts of ridiculous notes on my cards cause I was afraid of misunderstanding things.

Just keep reading and shit and you will get it. It's not like people don't misunderstand words in English too.
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>>135553244
>>135553758
Alright, if you say so. I'm still new to this so I was afraid of learning incorrectly.
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>>135554105
頑張って!
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Wasn't there a wanikanki anki deck? Where is it?
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>>135554105
your brain isn't a computer, you fail your way to success
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I barely even study anymore even though I have the time.
How do the intermediates still grind it all out daily?

All I do is listen to music and half ass my reps whereas for the past year it was first thing do reps and read for three hours.

Ive been listening more I guess but I've just got other things to do.

I can play jrpgs but I almost feel like its a hopeless cause and im just relaxing. Maybe since im potentially going to japan will be a good motivator.
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>>135547721
To add on to this, you need to make goals that are SMART.
>Specific – target a specific area for improvement.
>Measurable – quantify or at least suggest an indicator of progress.
>Attainable – assuring that an end can be achieved.
>Realistic – state what results can realistically be achieved, given available resources.
>Time-related – specify when the result(s) can be achieved.

>>135547583
Mine is to study at least 5 minutes a day and finish 2 VNs. Same as last year.
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>>135554470
I'm reading LOGH and it's really really interesting. I read some of that, then spend the rest of the day playing porn JRPGs from dlsite and reading some moege. It's a three prong attack. Reps boost my hard vocab, moege gives me plain exposure, and LOGH gives me tough Japanese to practice with. But I enjoy just about all of it.
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>Want to learn Japanese
>Already learning French and Latin for college
Sorry for the blog post. ;_;
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>>135554472
>at least 5 minutes a day
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>>135552778
what manga is this from, btw ?
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>>135554105
Just remember that the language makes sense. If something sounds wierd then you should probably reevaluate your interpretation of it. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that Japanese is some mystical oriental code unintelligable to the western mind. The same goes for the Japanese people for that matter.
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>>135553181
there's /djt/
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This is friendly reminder that /djt/ is for little girls only. Fat smelly neckbeards not allowed.
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>>135554472
>SMART
haha, i was forced to memorize this acronym for a class I took just last semester in software engineering
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>>135554470
>i'm a failure
That's all I see in your post.
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>>135554771
Probably the most useful thing I learned while getting my MBA. Then I never got a job and became a NEET. 80k well spent.

>>135554594
I spend at least 30 minutes per day on Anki and haven't missed a day in 9 months. The 5 minutes is just a low pressure way to make sure I do something every day.
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>>135554470
>he thinks he has a good chance of going to japan through the navy
gg memed down

shoulda gone to college, major in stem, get n1, easy to find a graduate program in glorious nippon and you won't be on some shitty military base in sasebo or whatever , either
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>>135555035
I know 2 people in the Navy, and both of them ended up in Hokkaido.
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>>135554757
A little girl dies every time you make a sperg post like that.
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>>135554594
C-can I learn Japanese?
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>だから、私は天才なんていないと思ってる
That's why, I don't think there's such things like geniuses
>…あなた以外にはね
...like you do.

I'm not sure how I should interpret "…あなた以外にはね".
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>>135554624
It's porn. http://g.e-hentai.org/g/724926/42a84743db/
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>>135555310
The only person who can answer that is yourself, anon.
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>>135555310
Gotta go faster then that.
>>135555323
"Excluding you" isn't it?
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>>135555035
I actually know tons of people who went to Japan in the navy. Its pretty common really. Maybe ill find someone to get married with.

>>135554951
I needed this anon.

Im going to do no chan for a year more than likely.
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>>135555935
>Im going to do no chan for a year more than likely.
What do you mean by that?
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>>135555935
But if you stop coming to 4chan you will get behind on all the latest dank memes.
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Is Japanese the Manga Way really a shit?
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>>135555975
Warned you, mate. Just stop it.
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>>135556013
Where do you even see that?
It gets nothing but praise
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>>135556013
>falling for DJT memes
Never take beginner level advice from the thread itself at face value. You read the guide and try out the resources and methods mentioned there and pick the method/resource that works best for you.
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>>135556013
Nah, it's good.
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igaf how long it takes, im young and have plenty of years
just relax and enjoy the ride yo
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>>135555970
I mean I don't want to go on chans anymore. 8ch 4chan. I don't know if it's because im getting older but it really makes me hate myself. Your brain adapts to what's in front of it and every shitpost has its truth and I just want to not be on here in general.

>>135555975
Memes are pretty played out. Everything is a meme nowadays.

I already have everything I can learn from 4chan. Learned how to lift eat right learn Japanese great books to read.
Why even be here once I've extracted everything good from it?
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>>135555935
>married
Ew.
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>>135556214
You don't go on 4chan to better yourself. You go on 4chan because you're bored/it's entertaining. That's the way it's always been.
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>>135549805
max bait
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Forwards! This year is going to be a success, if you work hard for your goals.

>>135547460
You probably don't want to know, if you're a vanilla panda like me.
http://exhentai.org/g/824897/7557f3b680/
But despite the heartbreakingly horrible things China let's happen to his girls, he does draw very cute ones.
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>>135556050
Are you suffering from autism? Why would you even have such a series of pictures saved on your computer? Please re-evaluate your life.
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>>135556347
You just couldn't behave like a decent human being, could you? I hope you're really proud of yourself now.
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>>135556292
Yeah you're right but that right there is reason enough to leave. I probably won't do it but this site sucks.

Fuck it im doing it.

>>135556224
I don't want to do it but im definetely going to try to find a cutey there to learn Japanese with.
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I'm generally fond of 4chan in general, this thread has some bad eggs but it's ultimately a good place to chat about Japanese.
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>>135556433
Can you post the one where all three of them are alive, if such an image exists?
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Just started a few days ago, but the guide is fucking confusing me.

It doesn't really say what to move on to next after the kana. It says vocabulary is essential, but that it's impractical to learn kanji at the same time as learning vocabulary. So do I just not learn kanji until I've gotten some vocabulary knowledge? I thought kanji was important. When do I move onto grammar? When was the last time this guide was updated?
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>>135556214
>>135556467
To be honest, people like you are the biggest polluters these sites have.
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>>135556214
>I already have everything I can learn from 4chan. Learned how to lift eat right learn Japanese great books to read.
Why even be here once I've extracted everything good from it?
You could try learning punctuation next, dipshit.
>tumblr
Nevermind.
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>>135556603
Spend at least a year practicing and reviewing RTK 1-3 before starting on vocab.
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>>135556598
If it exists, I haven't ever seen it.
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>>135556660

Okay, so I should learn kanji first, not vocab?
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>>135556622
>biggest polluter here

What about this guy?

>>135556660


>>135556634
I just found that on Google images tbqh.
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>>135556603
It says
>Some people believe or find that individual study of the kanji is not as practical as simply learning the kanji via vocabulary
Key parts "some people believe" and "individual study". You can choose to study study kanji individually with RTK/KanjiDamage (which is slower, but will make learning vocabulary easier), or you can acquire kanji in the process of learning vocab (doing both at the same time). Try both and see which works for you.
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>>135556603
Guide is in the process of being revamped. Just grab the deck in the Anki startup guide for now while reading Tae Kim / Japanese: The Manga Way / Genki and see how that goes. Read the Anki manual to make sure you're using it right / have it set up right for you. If your retention is complete garbage a couple weeks in, consider getting a kanji radical deck or handwriting the problem words. If that doesn't help, then consider a form of individual kanji study. Not everyone learns the same, so you may like learning kanji through vocab more, or you may like learning kanji first more. I'd try kanji through vocab for now since it's less of a time investment to try. Something like RTK is a 3 month time investment if you're going at a rate of 25 kanji a day.
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>>135556738
Yes, definitely. This general is full of memesters who will try to mislead you for fun, so I recommend just leaving completely until you have finished following my advice.
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>>135447723
>inb4 replying to a several-day old post

Congrats on finishing Flyable Heart, I guess you really are likely to succeed if you try.
I think you misunderstood, Shou being pushed through dimensions was caused by the Kaichou's fireworks exploding, not by Suzuno. So then presumably Kururi was monitoring space-time and sent an agent back to correct the slip. Time travel plots always require a little suspension of disbelief.
If Shou had approached Suzuno before she went back, she wouldn't have recognised him at all, so it would have been pointless.
If you wanted to win the water gun fight or haunted house, you should've played it properly instead of cheating. It feels a lot more engaging and satisfying to navigate the choices yourself. I get you don't like trial-and-error gameplay, but then don't complain about how you didn't like it/wanted to win it.
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>>135556771
You spam other threads with bullshit too. RTK faggots pretty much stick to djt.
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>>135555935
>i know tons of people who went
this doesn't mean your chances are good anon.

the navy has <20k personnel in japan, out of about 320k personnel total. that's fucking low compared to other career options where you basically have a 100% chance of getting where you want to go.
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>>135556603
It's not impractical at all. You just need to write down the kanji you see while grinding vocab a few times when you run into it.
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What does it mean when の comes after te-form? I can't find this in DOJG.

ex. 他校を招いての親善試合
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>>135557144
It just means の?
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>>135556844
Thanks. I was really worried I wasn't going to finish at the end and I would have been really mad at myself.

I don't know if you were the one who told me about a week ago to give up because it was impossible, but if so, thanks. Over the last year I've gotten a lot of positive and negative comments here, and they are each motivating in their own way.

FH Spoilers
I guess I understood it right, but it just didn't make sense to me. I didn't understand how just a plain explosion could send him to another dimension so I assumed something else was going on. But if you read it the same way, then I guess that is the correct interpretation.

It is actually possible to win them? I tried a lot of different choices and always lost both of them. And I got all of the CGs, so it is weird that winning them doesn't give a CG.


I'll post my Flyable Heart chart one more time to get it out there.
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>>135557315
That's not really helpful. I'm wondering why the verb is conjugated to te-form before の and what that specific construction means.
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>>135557363
Thanks for the chart, I'll use it once I'm done Hanahira.
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>>135557144
http://www.imabi.net/l211teno.htm

It's not really very complicated, though.
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>>135554531
What are some good jrpgs
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>>135557434
For real JRPGs, just check out Alice Soft, Eushully, Nine/Dual-tail, and other such companies. You can of course also play classics like the FF series, DQ series, or even heck stuff like Dark Souls.
I was referring to DL site porn rpgs like pic related though, not actual JRPGs.
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>>135557432
Thank you.
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how to stop anki from syncing automatically when i load it? i need to run the Check Media option to get it to clear the data from a deck I deleted, but I can't even get there without uploading 200,000 media changes first...?
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>>135557432
>肘をついて、眺める。
>To use one's elbows to view.
Imabi, king of example sentences.
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>>135557576
Disable your network driver
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>>135557576
Disconnect your Internet?
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>>135557593
>>135557601
ghetto, but it worked. thx.
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>>135556317

How so?

The minute that you decide that it's time for VNs, the days of easy children's manga are pretty much over. JLPT N2-level is pretty much the minimum for VNs.
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>べっこりへこんじゃってるけど
What the hell is べっこり?
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>>135547583
I want to stop browsing /djt/

I recognised your image from the fucking thumbnail
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>>135558446
That's nothing.
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>>135547583
Intermediate is the true hell desu senpai.
Whoever said it gets easier never had 1000 reps a day.
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>>135554472

>SMART

This is the ultimate problem with education facilities and language learning: They want to treat languages like math.

The best way to learn a language is to graze, and graze a lot. Mass exposure to native material is where you learn how natives use their language, along with being a fairly high resonance method for picking up vocabulary. When do you get there? When you're there. What do you do? Whatever you want. Just enjoy the journey, put in the time (this is the one thing that you should be very stringent with; try for at least an hour per day; don't go as easy on yourself as five minutes), and don't stress too much about where you are, and your progress will benefit from it.

>Anki

Anki is a great tool, but you'll find that anki can't really do its job as well as it could be without the grazing.
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How difficult is Schwarzesmarken? Outside of being forced to lookup a ton of vocabulary
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>>135558172
>べっこり
「ベコ」っと音がしそうなくらいに
>へこむ
気分が落ち込んでいる。または
金属類が大きく変形してしまっている
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default anki for core2/6k is 20 new/100 review

how high can i push the reviews after like a month, or keep them as is? i have heaps of holiday time
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>>135559697
Don't limit reviews

Reviews will tend towards 10x your new/day
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>>135559697

Set your review limit to 9999. Alternatively, use custom study to get your reviews back down to zero. Finish your reviews every single day. This is the most important part of anki, even more important than adding new cards.

Up your new cards to 25, and see how you do.
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>>135559739
>>135559754

aight done, cheers
the anki startup guide doesnt allude to any of that but it makes sense
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http://rocketnews24.com/2016/01/01/685924/

1500円の方がふたまわりほど大きいのだが、いずれも3000円相当であるという。1500円で3000円分か、1000円で3000円分か。脳内そろばんを弾く必要もなく、1000円の方がお得率は高そう! ということで、デイリーグッズの方を購入してみたぞ。

"The 1500 yen package has twice the circumference, but both have a value of 3000 yen supposedly. The 1500 yen package affords 3000 yen of goods, the 1000 package affords 3000 yen of goods. There's no need to do any mental math, the 1000 yen package seems a great deal. With that said, i bought the daily goods package to take a look. "
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>>135560275
Friendly reminder to state your question clearly and understandably.

But that's a good translation. ふたまわり is probably not talking specifically about circumference as much as size or volume, though.
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>>135551172
You should try the 999 series of adventure VNs
I couldn't solve a simple minigame because of the fucking order of operations.
I was so pissed.
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>>135557363
I hear you're reading the fandisk now, how is it? What kind of content does it have?
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Guys a word of warning.

Manga is good for starting off learning japanese but after you can get, say 90% of the material, its time to move on.

It is a hindrance to progress after a while. It provides too much context and is too visual, not to mention often times its too simple.
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are the first 2k of the Kore 2k/6k Optimized deck the 2k of the regular 2k deck?
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>>135559107
SMART is a system for evaluating goals. It has nothing to do with languages.

Also "the best way" is a fairly vague term. Best in what way?
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>>135560974
yung lean faggot please go
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>>135560974

The pleasure of being cummed inside.
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>>135560974

"super mario"
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>>135561056
i'd actually wear this
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>>135560974
日本
東京
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>>135560987
It doesn't matter, just pick one and stick with it.
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>>135560974
ignore these trolls, it says cant stump the trump
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Rp-Vd09Ds
Holy shit I burst out into laughter when he started the course
ABUNEE ABUNEE
KOWAI KOWAI
HONTO KA!?
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>>135560960
Maybe if you're reading manga to learn Japanese, but I imagine most people here are learning Japanese to read manga.
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Are there anyone in /djt/ that both studies japanese and still manage their responsibilities (wagefag, uni stuff, etc)? During my summer break, I manage to do my dailies for quite some time, but when classes resumed it became harder to keep up.
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>>135561169
>listening
>hard
Only crossboarders would find listening difficult at all
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Hey, DJT. I'm gathering useful add-ons for general Anki learning.
I didn't include specifically DJT-related add-ons yet.

This is just a test:

useful Anki add-ons
1830523200
Always On Top
1089921461
Hierarchical Tags
2006541756
Image Occlusion 2.0
162313389
Power format pack: Markdown, code blocks, lists, tables and more
874215009
Advanced Browser
516643804
Frozen Fields
924298715
Editor Autocomplete
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>>135561323
I'm one of those people who spent years browsing /a/ instead of watching anime
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>>135561295
What a faggy voice

>>135561306
Don't be silly, all reading is learning. And yes I do read manga to learn jap.
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>>135561295
Sounds like a retard
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>>135561295
what's your issue
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>>135561390
I don't have an issue. I just thought it was funny. Someone linked a FO3 jikyou earlier and said something like, "why the fuck do the Japanese spaz out about everything in these things, it's always KOWAI and SUGOI out the ass", so when I opened this video and such was true so fast I couldn't help but laugh.
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>>135561133
so
日本 = japan
東京 = tokyo?

what does the kanji stand for?
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>>135561355
You're telling people not to read manga on the manga board. It is you that is being silly.
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>>135561448
just stop posting
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>>135561460
>You're telling people not to read manga on the manga board

Show me where I said that.
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>>135561313
Nope.
I thought games were a good supplement then i got addicted
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>>135561313
I'm keeping up with my JP studies while working. I've been doing it for a little under a year now, so it's not that long, but I think if you feel motivated it's not especially difficult. I enjoy learning, so it's not hard to find time to do something I want to do.

That being said, I don't think my job is that hard, even if it is kind of time consuming. I'm not sure how much more difficult it would be if I had to work harder. I'm a veteran network engineer, which basically means I just do consulting and advising while everybody else works their ass off.
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>>135560939
I installed it yesterday but I haven't started yet. I think I'm going to read through my Read Real Japanese book first. Once I get into it I'll make a post about what kind of content it has. I hope there is an Akira sex scene.
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>>135561534
No
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>>135561548
i think he's saying to try reading actual books if you want to improve faster.

it makes sense since regular books obviously rely more on words than comic books do
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Just posting my writing training. I might make it a habit to post every day just so I don't slack off.
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>>135561552
>>135561556
I see, so it's impossible. I guess I'll just tune down my dailies a bit so I can at least study for about an hour a day. How does 5 new, 25 review sound?
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>>135561713
I'm a different poster than the first one
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>>135561459
>what does the kanji stand for
i don't know i haven't done RtK
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Someone help me out with this:

でも水銀って体温計に使われている銀色の液体金属ですよね? そんなものに手を突っ込んで大丈夫なの? いろいろと不思議な動画ですが、何よりもビックリなのが、水銀がいっさい手に付着しない点です。

"However, mercury is the liquid metal used in thermometers right? Is it really alright to shove your hand in? Various strange videos exist (???), what surprises us most is that it does not stick to the hands.

What is いろいろと不思議な動画ですが doing here? Is it referencing there are many strange videos? I find it strange that then they seem to talk about this video specifically that the mercury does not stick to the hand.
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>>135561879

source

http://rocketnews24.com/2013/05/01/323332/
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>>135561459
Sun, book, cunt and horse.
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>>135561879
不思議 in various ways
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>>135560994

SMART is essentially stating that you need a series of specific, inflexible, time-sensitive checkpoints to move you from point to point in a focused manner. This is great (or even necessary) if you're trying to pay off your student loans over the next year, run five miles within a certain time, or are organizing a business venture with limited funds, but it's not necessarily to your benefit with language learning. Instead, you should focus on using strong methods (reading and listening to native material, looking things up as needed) and putting in the time. If you're fucking up, don't worry about it. Just push on. The only way to fail at learning Japanese is to use stupid methods and/or slack off too much.

If you do set a checkpoint, I'd make it general enough and far enough in the future that it's basically a "don't go too easy on yourself" checkpoint. For example, "pass N2 by next December". How you get there is described in very general terms that SMART advocates wouldn't like: You just read, listen, and if you feel that you're floundering a little, experiment with various methods that you believe might help you. If you're trying like a motherfucker, and it's obvious that, while you're making progress, you're not moving fast enough to pass the N2 by December, then just aim for next July. The important thing is that you're putting in the time.

>Also "the best way" is a fairly vague term. Best in what way?

Getting you to your goals in a quick and thorough manner. Ironically, making yourself overly structured will hurt your progress here, not help it. Listen to what you want, read what you want. Enjoy it. It's extremely important that you're having fun, both to keep you motivated and to help with your retention. Just make sure that you do it.
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>>135562069
I don't think you really understand it. Your suggestion of doing 1 hour per day for a year would meet all the requirements of SMART.

Passing N2 by next December is a SMART goal.
Reading 1 VN per month is a SMART goal.
Reading 1 VN per year is a SMART goal.
Doing 20 new words in Anki every day for a year is a SMART goal.
Doing 1 new word in Anki every day for a year is a SMART goal.

Vague goals like "lose weight", "eat less", "study more", "read more", etc are not SMART.
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so futaba has a webm board now, how interesting.
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>>135561313
I also have a job and go to university. I started in the summer and was doing really good. School and work got too hectic though. I think I just need to manage my time better.
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>no more crosses
Now I can maybe bother reading /djt/ again
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>>135562370
>1 vn per month
Do people actually do this?
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>>135562591
I'm sure there are some people who do 1 per week.
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>>135562553
There was a [:stopcross:] button at the top
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>>135560747
みっつの意味があるとおもうよ。おにいちゃん

・10歳差を一回りと数えて、20歳差
・干支ひとまわり12歳の二回り分。24歳差
・体の大きさ。日本の服の大きさ「SML」の「SとL」の差
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Why is 終物語 not spelled as 終わり物語り? I mean, why were the okurigana omitted? Or is this just some literary style?
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>>135562370

Generally, sure, but it's the focus that I have an issue with. SMART-focused people will be like "How much closer to passing the N2 did I get today?", or, as December approaches, "Oh shit, am I really ready for the N2?! I need to study for it! Will I be able to meet my deadline?! Shit shit shit!"

I don't think that it's a helpful mentality to put too much emphasis on a strict long-term schedule with language learning. You should enjoy your day-to-day growth, along with the material that you read. The N2 thing is just something to call you back to the path if you ever find that it's been a month since you've read or done anki.
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>>135561722
Do you do this for better retention?
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>>135553181

This is a common misconception from beginners.

If you make a mistake, sooner or later (more likely sooner), your understanding of Japanese grammar will give you a broken sentence that doesn't make any sense. The only way that your misconceptions will continue is if you're very lazy and don't make any attempt to correct them when you inevitably run across that broken understanding.
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>>135562993
Some people get better results with that kind of rigid study even in language learning. They make them not slack off and make significant progress at a solid pace. For most, it's hard to be self-disciplined without concrete short-term or long-term goals that aren't "get a bit better everyday".
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>>135561306
>>135561460

If you never read anything more advanced than children's manga, your understanding of the language will never progress past the level of a child's.

I'm sure that anyone who's learning to read manga has more than just manga on their list of things that they want to read. The sooner you move on to those things, the sooner you'll be able to read them easily.
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I've decided to do WaniKani.
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>>135563447
why
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>>135561722
Please don't post your gaijin scratch every day.
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>>135563478
So I can learn with the real niggas.
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>>135563447
Well done, mate. Soon we can roll our balls together.
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>Mom made gohan
YES
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>there are probably people on /djt/ right now who have actually recently bought a WaniKani subscription because of the shitpost shilling thinking that there's nothing wrong with it
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>>135563307

You won't get better results, because you'll be overly obsessed with your goals (studying to the test, rushing through the VN, etc.) instead of just gathering all of the knowledge that you can.

You see these idiots from time to time. "Should I learn this word? Will it help me pass the test? It's not on the N2, right?" Who fucking cares? Consider the purpose of the test. You're ultimate goal isn't a stupid certificate. It's to become proficient in Japanese. Yes, you want to learn that fucking word. Stop being so obsessed with concrete goals and just learn some goddamn Japanese.

If you can't stay on track unless you're studying to the test, then that's a problem with your willpower, and you need to fix it.
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>>135563725
There isn't anything wrong with it. I'd say it's the perfect companion tool.
>inb4 autists complain about shit that doesn't matter, like what radicals are called.
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>>135563725
JUST FUCKING BUY IT
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Can one of you be of assistance? I'm an absolute retard with kanji lookup, and I can very rarely manage to find a match for what I'm looking up.

Can anyone tell me what this says? It's an old music video I have on a past computer's SATA drive.
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>>135563876
Left to right:

鏡音暴走
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>>135563783
The primary problems with it are how expensive it is, the fact that it limits your progress pretty significantly, and its SRS not being as good or as customizable as Anki.

Basically, using it in Anki deck form is fine, but while the paid version is good outside of those issues, it's not even remotely worth paying hundreds of dollars for compared to using a slightly older Anki deck of it or using other resources.

Unless the hundreds of dollars you'll end up spending on it is pocket change and you'll be going slower than what it limits you to for some reason during the couple years it takes you to complete it, you'd be better of using an Anki deck version or just using other resources.
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>>135563968
>The primary problems with it are how expensive it is
>$10 a month
>Expensive
Is you for real, nigger?
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>>135564062
>limits your progress
You have to spend a couple hundred dollars before you have a chance of having finished it.
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>>135564062
For what's essentially a well organized Anki deck of a system like RTK/KD with vocab, yes, it is. You'll have spent at least over $200 on it by the time you're almost done.

There's no reason to willingly spend that kind of money on it when there's an Anki deck that's more customizable/better SRS available or other resources that are about as good depending on what you want out of them.
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>>135564100
I think it takes around one and a half year to complete it going at a non-optimal pace. Maybe more now that they've added stuff to it.

Not implying anything, just adding information. I don't think there's any real reason for people to use it except maybe for the hand-holding aspect in that it teaches radicals and kanji and vocab in an integrated manner. I used it myself when I had just started learning Japanese, but I ended up replacing it with Anki at like level 15 or something.
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>>135563968
Even if it's just pocket change, it's still money that could have been spent on reading material.
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Been studying Japanese for 2 years. When I started here I said to another anon in my same position on new year's day that we'd both make it and would meet again to update each other next year. He didn't show up ;_;

You still out there Anon1?
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>>135564191
>WaniKani simply explains things better
Except the explanations are actively wrong and counterproductive.
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>>135564191
>you can't fake your way through it by hitting "good" on cards that you clearly didn't remember
I genuinely can't tell if this is a blatant shitpost or if you're just a retard with no self control / too much pride to accept that you got something wrong.
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>>135564100
>>135564149

Don't bother. He's obviously a retard with an IQ in the double digits who's incapable of seeing past next month with his finances. Things like "long term budget" or "money is a finite thing that shouldn't be wasted" don't register with him. He's probably the kind of guy who falls for shit like "Get financed for just $50 per week!"
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tfw finish your reps
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>>135564202
He gave up just like you will do this year
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>>135563924
Thank you so much, anon!
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>>135564202
Ouch.
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Anki is burning me out. It's becoming harder and harder to complete my reps. Anki has become my life.
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>>135564062
I could do a lot with that $10 dollars.
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>>135564516
I just don't think so.
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>>135564481
One day at a time, that's how I take it. Don't think about the years of toil and tedium that lie ahead of you, just focus on the present, card by card. Like running a marathon.
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>>135564481
Core2k is pissing me off with it's shitty order and newspaper words. It's the only good deck though.
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>>135564481
Then it's time to decide what matters most in life, you yourself or Anki. Otherwise you might just end up losing yourself to the grind.
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>>135564336
I don't even study, just play eroge. I don't see myself giving that up anytime soon.
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>>135564536
>stop wasting money on pointless shit
>suddenly gather enough money to go to Japan after a couple years
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is there an anki deck for just anime words?
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>>135564536
Not him, but if you don't think so, you must be some spoiled kid. That's 2 days worth of food, or a weeks worth of gas where I'm from.

If mommy and daddy pay for everything for you, then fine, go ahead. But to us who have to work for a living, that's simply not worth it.
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>>135564645
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>>135564603
>shitty order and newspaper words.
This is why I keep wanting to drop anki

I finished my reps and then just started reading random crap in japanese and it's easy to spot words that are immensely more useful than all of this business related crap core throws at you at about 1000 cards in
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>>135564481
Ignore all the newfags here that say they do 20 new cards a day. 20 a day is newfags because they have nothing in their decks to start with.

Worst case scenario limit the amount of reviews it gives you a day. Don't stop doing them though desu senpai.
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>>135564716
>1000 cards it
Literally the worst part of that deck if it's the order I'm thinking of. It gets better baby.
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>>135564660
>being a poorfag

I'm sorry.
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>>135564645
No, but there's lists of like the top 100 anime phrases

shit like やれやれだぜ
だめだコイツ。早くなんとかしないと
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>>135564734
I seriously hope it gets better

No wonder japanese salaryman is depressed and suicidal. All these fucking words just don't stick in your head
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Someone
1) Take all the non-scan LNs in the COR
2) Plug them all into http://forum.koohii.com/thread-9459.html
3) Reorder core6k based on that
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>>135564802
I wonder if the Japs have as much trouble trying to learn complex English words as we have with some of theirs.
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>>135564603
Is Japan unique in having such a fucked word order for beginner resources? I remember dabbling in some German a few years ago and all of the beginner words were things like:
>cat
>house
>mom
>car
>sky
>water
>days
>numbers
I may as well make my own deck, which is what flash cards are for anyways.
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>>135564861
japs can't learn english
they have some of the worst rates for success with it
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>>135564871
DJT should just make a deck

Personally I think it would be great to start with simple 1-kanji words where the kanji's "meaning" matches the word.
I know these aren't the real meaning but just good for mnemonics, but doing it this way you would automatically get the benefit of the mnemonic while learning words. Then when you learn more complex words people would naturally apply the mnemonic even if they aren't aware of it.
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>>135564861
Learning English is so easy a monkey could do it.
Nothing is complex about it.
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>>135564871
Core decks are the most common words you see in news papers
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>>135564951
Japs can't do it, though.
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>>135564951
Actually english is supposedly one of the most difficult languages to learn.

Japanese is actually very simple in every respect except the writing system.
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>>135564897
Ha! I am not that dumb then!

>>135564977
>except the writing system
I've heard that Japanese speaking is really "slurry" though. As in, the words are not pronounced as clearly or distinctly as other asian languages.
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>>135563846
Did you do core2k also? If so, how would you compare them?
Where can I get the deck?
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>>135563774
You have an unhealthy hatred of goals.
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>>135565047
I didn't do any of the Core decks, so I can't compare. The deck should be in the archives if you just search "mega wanikani."
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>>135565039
>I've heard that Japanese speaking is really "slurry" though.
Nah, that's bollocks. Chinese is way messier.
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>>135565039
>the words are not pronounced as clearly or distinctly as other asian languages.

Nah, all languages are the same. You can slur in any language.
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>>135563846
I vaguely remember someone saying wanikani has "chunni" vocab. Would you say this is true? Or did it feel more like "newspaper words"

>>135565123
Thanks.
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>>135564752
Only a poor person would waste money on wanikani.
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How do computers sort Kanji?
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>>135565101

I'm fine with even very strict goals when they make sense for the task. For example, not spending a penny more than your budget while trying to pay off a loan, or having an inflexible scope and a series of due dates on your creative project so that your project doesn't fall into development hell.

It's just that Japanese is not the kind of task that benefits from strict goals. You shouldn't study to the test, and you should rush yourself. What you need to do is graze. Absorb everything that you can, and do it well. When you're good at Japanese, you'll be able to pass those tests, and you'll have gotten there much faster than if you were rushing around and letting stringent goals limit you.
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>>135565214

Wanikani was mined from dragonball Z.
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>>135565265
unicode index
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>>135565271

* shouldn't rush yourself
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hey guys
wanikani


wanikani wanikani wanikani wanikani wanikani
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>>135564752
I might lack money, but I'm rich in spirit.
Unlike some people.
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>>135565265

I believe the Unicode blocks for kana are set up alphabetically, so a regular sorting algorithm comparing Unicode codepoints like numbers would just work TM.

However, I don't know how that works with kanji, as many are shared between Chinese, Nipponese, (old) Korean, (old) Vietnamese, etc. They probably just get sorted in whatever order they appear in in the code-table.
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>>135564791

Link?
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>>135565402
>many are shared between Chinese, Nipponese, (old) Korean, (old) Vietnamese, etc. They probably just get sorted in whatever order they appear in in the code-table.
Good point. I didn't think about it from that angle.
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>>135565214
>I vaguely remember someone saying wanikani has "chunni" vocab. Would you say this is true? Or did it feel more like "newspaper words"

"Chuuni" is probably going too far, but I think there are a few pretty uncommon words that are only included for the purpose of learning specific kanji readings. I wouldn't say it felt like newspaper vocab either, although it does include words like 倒産 and 保険. Mostly the vocab seemed pretty basic to me, words like black, white, revolve, see, etc. come up fairly early on. Only some of the annoying counter words are included, and the dumb mnemonics it provides to help remember each of the individual readings actually did help me a lot when I was just starting out.
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>>135565402
They're mostly ordered by dictionary radicals.
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>>135565278
Most of us read VNs and manga initially, not fucking newspapers.
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>>135565264

This.

The kinds of people who use wanikani despite knowing that anki exists are the kinds of people who are poor no matter how much money they make.

>It's just $10/month!
>It's just $30/month!
>It's just $10!
>It's just $20!
>It's just $15!
>It's just $150 per year!
>It's just $40!
>[...]

>Wait, I make $100k/yr, so why did I have my electricity shut off last week?

I'll tell you why. Beyond earning a livable wage, the secret to having money is to not spend it. That especially includes avoiding useless monthly fees. Those will take even people who should have a very high amount of financial lax and make them live paycheck to paycheck.
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>tfw you have 3 monthly subscriptions already.
What's another to the pile?
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きょうのちゅうに

>新年会(下戸の金で酒を飲むスキル)
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>>135565796
Cool, is that statically in the Unicode-table, or is it handled by software via another mechanism? I'm pretty sure it has to be the first though, anything else'd be ridiculous.

Source would be nice as well.
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>>135565920
Money is useless if you die. You might die at anytime.
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>>135565920
Orientating your life around materialistic considerations is spiritually degrading.
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>>135566016
They ordered them that way when they designed unified han.

http://jrgraphix.net/r/Unicode/4E00-9FFF

Scroll down a ways to get past the elementary characters
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>>135565920
>Neither WK nor anki is superior, they are just different, and serve own purpose. Sure they overlap on somethings, but on a larger scale they arent direct rivals. I have tried both, and decided to stick with WK, its better for me.
It seems to me the people who use Wanikani are somehow deluded. I really cannot think of how someone could use both Anki and Wanikani and come to the conclusion above. It's baffling.

I'm nervous about "integrative complexity" here, am I just turning this into black and white and not considering every factor and viewpoint? I try and really cannot think of how someone would make that conclusion, unless they didn't use anki for more than a day.
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>>135566048
>http://jrgraphix.net/r/Unicode/4E00-9FFF

The Unicode table really is one of the great modern wonders of the world.
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>>135566063
WK isn't supposed to be a replacement for anki, just a replacement for a basic pre-made anki deck like core6k. Obviously someone using wanikani would also create a mining deck in anki.
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Do I pay for a fakku subscription this month or wanikani?
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>>135566115
If you can't afford both you can't learn Japanese
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Has anyone read puramai wars? How difficult is it compared to lovelyxcation 2? I like the art so I thought I might as well try it out if it's not too difficult.
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>>135566110
Frankly, what you are doing here is making up something that is not true. I do not believe the majority or even a significant number of wanikani users have an anki mining deck, and I do not believe wanikani gives any indication that one should be mining words for an anki deck. Keep in mind that Wanikani's whole business model is exploiting ignorant would-be language learners, so I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of their users don't even know anki exists.

No hard data either way though, so this is just my opinion too.
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>>135566063

I think part if it is that people who start out with anki don't know how to edit the card templates, to fit it to their needs. This was my big complaint when I was starting out with anki, and now that I know how to do it, I find it to be a fantastic tool.
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>>135566194
Well, I agree with you actually, but of course the majority of wanikani users are reddit types who will probably never learn Japanese. What I had in mind was people from /djt/ who make the decision to use WK and already know about things like anki and mining decks.
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>>135566275
Ah, point taken.
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>almost threw away my cum rag
Almost failed learning Japanese then and there
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きょうのわけのわからないにほんご

>しょうががなけどしょうがない
>ショウガがないけどしょうがない
>生姜が無いけど仕様がない
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>>135566213
That could be true. It would mean they don't read the anki manual, but that's not a surprise, I didn't really either. I learned to edit formats my first day using it, because back in the day Core2k/6k had that god-awful yellow format with the English on front.
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>>135566374
Someone should make a tl;dr anki manual. It has a lot of cruft in it that's almost entirely useless to vocab decks.
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>>135566115
They're both vital study materials. Just don't eat for a few days if you're tight on money.
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>>135566364
should be
>its a billion reps today
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>>135566390
You know, that idea has been mentioned before, but it's only know that it reallys hit me how beneficial that could be.
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Beginners start here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9_TCfzPlLI
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>>135566440
>しち
Huh, I always read/said/thought/heard なな so しち came as a surprise to me

It's kind of weird to have so many numbers with 2 ways of saying isn't it...?
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Thes constancy of baseless assumptions and a complete misrepresentation of what Anki actually is reeks of insecurity. People seem to conflate Anki with the Core6k deck while assuming that people who do X must not be capable of doing Y, Z, A, B, or C.
It has very little to do with Japanese and reads like insecure beginners putting on a false bravado to defend the approach as though the mere existence of people doing something different is a blow to the confidence in their own approach.
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>>135566364
Why the wallet? I though Anki was free?
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>>135566605
Applefags have to pay for it.
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>>135566390
The Anki manual is already in an easy to search for TL;DR format and there is more to Anki and Japanese than your idea of a vocab deck. What an asinine suggestion.
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>>135566063

There are a few possible reasons.

For starters, Wanikani holds your hand. If you're stupid and a worthless, easily intimidated little pussy bitch, that might be more appealing than anki, which hands you the reigns to your own learning.

Another possible facet is obsession with compromise + encouragement to follow what they feel without challenging it. Schools and children's shows teach children that coming to the conclusion that something is inferior is closed minded and foolish, and to follow their "heart". If you're stupid and blindly follow what you're told without actually thinking on it, you might never come to realize that while rejecting an idea without evaluating it first is indeed closed minded, sometimes, the truth is that one side is full of shit, and deserves nothing less than complete defeat. Thus, you'll always treat compromise as the moral and intellectual high ground, and avoid finding the truth. You'll combine this blindly following what you feel, without really investigating to see if its justified.

Sometimes, the conclusions that people come to aren't founded in good information and solid reasoning. They're expressions of ignorance, laziness, simple-mindedness, and ego. The fact that you look at them and just shake your head at the sheer stupidity of what's coming out of their mouth doesn't automatically make you closed minded. Some people truly deserve it.
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>>135566489
One Chinese reading and one Japanese reading
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>>135566726
>Another possible facet is obsession with compromise + encouragement to follow what they feel without challenging it. Schools and children's shows teach children that coming to the conclusion that something is inferior is closed minded and foolish, and to follow their "heart". If you're stupid and blindly follow what you're told without actually thinking on it, you might never come to realize that while rejecting an idea without evaluating it first is indeed closed minded, sometimes, the truth is that one side is full of shit, and deserves nothing less than complete defeat. Thus, you'll always treat compromise as the moral and intellectual high ground, and avoid finding the truth. You'll combine this blindly following what you feel, without really investigating to see if its justified.

Oh look, it's you again.
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>>135566364
>People actually think Anki is only for Jap shit.
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>>135566489
10/10 made me reply in a frothing rage and I had a stroke.
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>>135566881

>that retard who thinks that he's so cleverly spotted a samefag, even though he's wrong
>even if he were right, he thinks that this does anything to refuse the point being made
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>>135566952
I think you mean "refute" the point, kiddo.
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>>135566605
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>>135566440
Holy fuck, 2009 was seven years ago.
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>>135566967

Thanks for pointing out that obvious typo. You sure showed me.
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>>135566987
No problem buddy.
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>>135566974
That's fucked up but also good math skills.
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>>135567125
>16-9
>good math skills
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>>135566881
I know what you mean, that's a pretty caustic outlook, but at the same time, in the context of Anki and WaniKani I can't help but agree. Given the complete lack of any compelling argument defending Wanikani.
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>>135567152
>16-9
Isn't it 2016 - 2009? Or?...
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>>135557960
are you kidding?
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>>135561879
i think you're almost right.
it's more saying there are a lot of things surprising about the one video, the most surprising thing being when mercury doesn't stick to the hand.

disclaimer: mercury is extremely poisonous to the touch. do not touch it with your bare hands
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>>135564630
Source?
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Fuck, the ear infection I had a couple of months back feels like it's coming back. Time to give up on new cards while I wait out the pain.
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>>135567462
Weak nigga.
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>>135563774
>If you can't stay on track unless you're studying to the test, then that's a problem with your willpower, and you need to fix it.
Not sure why you think having a goal equates to frenetically studying to a test. That's a connection you drew in your own head and isn't a reflection of reality. Like >>135562370 said, "Read for an hour a day" is a valid and "SMART" goal.

The way some many people address the "problem" with their willpower is by setting measurable, attainable, timed goals, and then sticking to them. By the way, that, in itself, is an exercise of willpower.
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How long will Wanikani take? I am looking to sign up during the holiday sale, and with a coupon, it is $5/mo, $50/year, or $200 for lifetime. I plan to do a little bit every day, quietly working towards my personal goals (no plans to move to Japan anytime soon).

At a "leisurely" pace, how long do most people take? If it is more than a 4 year course, then the lifetime is worth it, otherwise annual is better, right?
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>>135567613
couple years
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>>135567613
I think you will have seriously fucked up if it takes you 4 years, at most it will probably be 2-3, so the yearly is cheaper.
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Shilling Wanikani should be a bannable offense. This shit is getting ridiculous.
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>>135567613
Not paying is better.
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>>135567613
I hear it takes about three years. I just bought a year subscription. i figure after that amount of time, I'll probably be in shape to just read books and watch TV and learn new words as I go, rather than rely on mnemonics and the like. And if not, another fifty bucks won't hurt.
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Stop astroturfing.
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I personally just bought the 10 year package. It's chump change when you think about what you're getting. You know what they say: slow and steady wins the race.
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>>135556660
And we almost went one thread w/o rtk mention, to think
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>>135567780
>people should be banned for liking things I don't like

sasuga 4chan
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Why the fuck do a select few of you hate WaniKani so much? It works for some people. Nuff said.
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>>135568059
>Contains literally wrong information
>Artificially limits your progress by making up radicals etc that don't exist
>Artificially limits your speed even if you want to faster; even if you go as fast as possible you can only go as fast as a normal anki user
>Locked in to it, you can't export your scheduling information
>Tells you whether you got something right, have to go outside the normal system to make "dad" a synonym for "father"
>The scheduling system is objectively inferior to Anki's
>Only customization is browser mods like scriptish
>Eventually ends and you're fucked if you want more content
>Costs money
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>>135568042
Advertising is a bannable offence.
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>it just works!
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>>135568070
>>Contains literally wrong information
About what? Radical names?
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>>135568087
Its *whole entire radical system*, many kanji meanings, and a couple words.
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>>135568059
>why do people hate scammers?
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>>135568107
It literally doesn't matter what the radicals are called.
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>>135568075
Then people should be banned for shilling for anki as well. Discussing the merits of study tools is not advertising.
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>>135568107
>many kanji meanings

For example?
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>>135568152
Except it literally does
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>>135568156
>Then people should be banned for shilling for anki as well
Please make this a thing papa Hiro.
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>>135568075
Advertising. Right. Because it's definitely not possible that some people don't fall for the hivemind and instead decide to find out for themselves for the low price of $10 a month.
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>>135568187
Caring about radical names is like caring about stroke order.
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つぎの空欄に適切な語を入れて短文を完成させなさい

>日本で最も名誉があるとされている賞は_____賞です。
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>newfags defending wanikani
I dont understand it, why do you insist on paying money for worthless shit?
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>>135568208

Oh, I forgot to add that we're going to be having another sale soon so keep your eyes peeled!
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>>135568241
核保有
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>anime set in medieval setting
>they use words like タフ
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>Stop listening to the voices in Core2k/6k
>Retention skyrockets.
Hory shet lads.
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>>135568156
Promoting a scam is advertising, Anki can't be shilled for because it doesn't have money to pay for shills.
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>>135568345
It has no money at all from all the copies of their $20 phone app they've sold?
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If you're going to troll newfags, wouldn't it be better to shill something that actively hurts your learning like Rosetta Stone? Wanikani is slow/expensive but it would be funnier to see people learning in romaji.
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>>135568345
>WaniKani is a scam now
You're going off the rails and just recruiting more people for the cause.
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>>135568244
It's a pretty good deal, $0.05 per post!
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>>135566892
math fags have enough on their plate
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>>135568370
Reddit doesn't make posts about Rosetta Stone
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>>135568370
You might be on to something. We could at least switch back and forth so WaniKani doesn't get beat to death.
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>>135568186
Most commonly a problem of using terminology that's overly ambiguous.

It defines 階 as "floor". If mnemonics are supposed to fade over time, this is fucking retarded. "storey" would obviously be better. It's not because they refuse to use only one word phrases either; their 陣 is "army base".

They define 閥 as "clique", which is silly.

They define 購 as "subscription" which is retarded and wrong and *from kanjidict* which based it on a single two-kanji compound.
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>>135568421
>*from kanjidict*
>mfw I looked and you're right
Haha oh wow

Amazing. WaniKani doesn't even have anything new to sell except for vendor lockin. Now I feel bad for defending its wikipedia page.
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>>135568421
>mouse over each of those kanji with rikai
>in each case the wanikani meaning is the same as one of the listed kanji meanings

Now you're just talking shit. That's clearly not "wrong information."
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>>135568466
>blindly trusting rikai kanji definitions
I have bad news for you, bud.

http://jisho.org/search/*購*
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>>135568291
>anime set in a medieval fantasy setting
>there are many fujoshis and a bustling yaoi doujin market

Why did Utawarerumono 2 have to be such shit?
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>>135568544
Watch the original first. Then marathon the new one up to the current point, which is where shit gets real.
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The memes are getting to me. I feel like defending Wanikani.
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>>135568503
Nigga that says "subscription" too.
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>>135568565
I feel like defending it because of sperglords like >>135568421
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>>135568503
>http://jisho.org/search/*購*
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>>135568575
Nigga can you read?

>which is retarded and wrong and *from kanjidict* which based it on a single two-kanji compound

>購読 paid subscription

The meaning "subscription" is exclusive to the word こうどく here. Nowhere is the concept of subscription applied to anything but こうどく. 購 does not mean subscription.
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>>135568604

I can use MSpaint too fucker.
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>>135568612
It means subscription. Paying is implied.
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>>135568604
>>135568421
>which is retarded and wrong and *from kanjidict*

Hint: Jisho also uses kanjidict.

Kanjidict is not a dictionary of what kanji mean.
>>135568619
Don't.
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>>135568558
I watched the original series and read the original VN in English. I'm going to keep watching because I hope it gets good, but I've been disappointed so far. Maybe it is so slow because they split it into 2 games.
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I love rolling around in my own poopy and not doing my reps.
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>>135568627
Find a word where it means subscription that does not contain 購読.
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>>135568650

hehehehehehe
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>>135568651
That's not how kanji works, shitboi.
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>>135568612
Please explain why you think your own opinion is somehow more valid than the information in jisho. Oh right, you can't. Clearly none of those things you listed are "wrong information" and you're just trying to save face.
>>135568619
lol
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>Anti-WaniKani people are actually this retarded.
Makes sense I guess.
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>>135568686
Except it is.
>>135568692
>Please explain why you think your own opinion is somehow more valid than the information in jisho.
See:
>>135568628
>Hint: Jisho also uses kanjidict.
>Kanjidict is not a dictionary of what kanji mean.

>Clearly none of those things you listed are "wrong information" and you're just trying to save face.
Except 購 as "subscription" is most definitely 100% objectively wrong information. 購読, sure, but not 購. Single words do not redefine what a kanji means.

The other two things I clearly portrayed as merely misleading, not wrong.
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>>135568280
せいかいは広沢賞(小)でした

\ドヤァ/
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>>135568744
>Single words do not redefine what a kanji means.

So what does define what a kanji means? What is your source for the 100% objectively correct meaning of a kanji?

>The other two things I clearly portrayed as merely misleading, not wrong.

You posted them in reply to my post asking for examples of "wrong information."
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>>135564481
Anki is mentally tiring and very time-consuming when you sit there for several seconds thinking hard for each and every card.

On the other hand, Anki is very easy if you just look at the word and flip it right away if the reading and meaning don't come to mind immediately. Allow repeated exposure to do its job and you will find yourself easily memorizing words. The only real drawback is you won't have a "99% correct" e-peen to show off.
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>>135568781
>So what does define what a kanji means?
What it means. The words it wrote in chinese, and what words the japanese originally thought it meant when they took it, and the meaning that a large set of words use it for.

You can draw the line in many places, but including "when a single word uses it and the resulting word means Y" is absolutely batshit insane. 食 cannot possibly mean "groceries"; 購 cannot possibly mean "subscription". No matter where you draw the line.

>You posted them in reply to my post asking for examples of "wrong information."
What is "reading compehension"
>Most commonly a problem of using terminology that's overly ambiguous.
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>>135568822
That's a good way to get 5000 leeches.
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>Kanji mean whatever you want them to meme
You can't learn japanese.
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>>135568847

>You can draw the line in many places, but including "when a single word uses it and the resulting word means Y" is absolutely batshit insane. 食 cannot possibly mean "groceries"; 購 cannot possibly mean "subscription". No matter where you draw the line.

So you literally have no argument but assertions that it's "insane" and "cannot possibly" be the case? lol
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>>135568847
>What it means.
>Kanji mean what they mean

Come on.
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>>135568971
>Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.
you right now
>>135568995
>samefagging
>>135568847
Stop responding
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>>135569006
>samefag

Literally the last resort of the butt-flustered. Come back with something besides assertions or stop posting.
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>>135569029
What?
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>>135568971
Japanese cannot possibly be an indo-european language.

There's such a thing as a non-starter. If you're incapable of understanding something as simple as that you have worse problems than being a sarcastic wanikani memer.
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>>135568822

I've been experimenting and yesterday (today?) I tried very very hard to sit there and think hard about each word and memorize it. It took a very long time and a lot of energy but in the end the results were no better than usual. It seems that I get better results when I flip through and let my brain naturally soak the words in. Thinking too hard about learning seems to have the opposite effect. Just did half of todays reps this way and I'll probably go to bed soon and finish them when I wake up.
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>>135569092
>I can make any claim I want and insist that it's obvious and people have to take me seriously!

No. Provide an authoritative source or accept that it's nothing but your personal opinion and not a basis on which you can claim someone else is providing "wrong information."
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タイト小学生のマンコってサイコーでちゅ

ロリコン力!

what do japs even mean by sayin "taito shougakusei", I swear I've heard someone say that on a podcast and he wasn't talking about the Taito corporation, or maybe I was just high and misheard
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>>135569251
Sure thing bro
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/漢字
Hint if you can't read japanese: 意味

Now we know kanji have such a thing as a meaning to contribute to the words that they're in.

Clearly, you can say that if kanji *always* took their meaning from the words that use them, kanji would build up a massive and unintelligible number of meanings. Fundamental linguistics restricts that, it's as absurd as saying the world is flat.

Therefore, in order to prove that a *specific, given kanji* has gained a meaning based on a word that uses it, you need to find that larger word being implied solely by the presence of that single kanji.

購 is not one of these characters. Absolutely no word uses 購 to even imply "subscription". Every word that uses it that means subscription is using 購読, the word for subscription, to gain that meaning.

inb4 "that's invalid because you cooked it up yourself", suck it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Ask anyone with actionable authority in japanese linguistics whether this argument is acceptable, they will say yes, even if they have a different opinion.
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>>135569106
>I tried very very hard to sit there and think hard about each word and memorize it.
Yeah, that's how I naturally did my reps for the longest. It's a waste of time. Best to flip through quickly
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>>135569390
このロリコンどもめ
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Does anyone have scans of Japanese Graded Readers level 3 or 5?
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>>135569586
Sorry, only have 1, 2 and 4
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>>135569664
I have two 5, do you want to trade me your 1 for one of them?
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>>135569664
>>135569695
its like im back playing marbles in primary school
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>330 reviews
I'm becoming an ankislave, what the fuck do I do? HELP
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>>135569721
Try doing your reps
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>>135569664
Also have 1,2,4. Gotta catch them all
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>>135569721
give in
let the anki flow through you
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How many fucking particles are there?
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>>135569779
A lot. Auxiliary verbs are particles.
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>>135569721
>330 reviews
Give up now.
It's gonna get a lot worse.
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にほんのよくわからないのみもの

>むぎちゃ
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>>135569788
That doesn't seem right
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How do you say "how do you say X" in japanese?

I want to say "How do you say "black tea"?".
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>>135569857
You're right. I'm just messing around.
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>>135569721
>only 330
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>>135569488
I still see no source. Again, "it can't be" is not an argument.

>Ask anyone with actionable authority in japanese linguistics whether this argument is acceptable, they will say yes, even if they have a different opinion.

Whether it's "acceptable" or not is not the question at hand. You're claiming to have some absolute, objective knowledge of the meanings of kanji that allows you to claim 購 doesn't mean subscription. Clearly you don't.
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>>135569954
>Again, "it can't be" is not an argument.
Except it is. See the article.

1) Zero signs point to the character meaning subscription
2) If all characters acquired all meanings of the words they were used in, it would be a linguistic impossibility and there is no evidence that this is the case.

I will reiterate: 2 means you absolutely cannot assume that a character means what a given word that includes it means. You need to show that the character is actually used to imply that meaning. I have shown that this character is not used to mean this meaning. The *conclusion* is that it can't be mean this. Defining it as "subscription" is therefore wrong information.

>You're claiming to have some absolute, objective knowledge of the meanings of kanji that allows you to claim 購 doesn't mean subscription.

And I do, see above.

>I still see no source.

If someone told you WaniKani were an authoritative source on radicals, would you believe them>?
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>Krashenanon is trying to bait someone into using an appeal to authority and he's evading it
this is some umineko shit right here, let's get some popcorn
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>get bored with moege
>play Monmusu Quest Paradox
>a week passes
>get bored with Monmusu Quest Paradox; really in the mood for moege again

It's a good idea to follow more than one work at once.
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>>135569857
助詞 and 助動詞 are the two different types of 付属語, which is, along with 自立語, one of the two major classes of 単語, so they are closely related within the scope of Japanese grammar (which is a bit different from the grammar that's usually presented to you as a foreign learner).
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>>135570058
>And I do, see above.

No you don't. Provide. A. Source.
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>>135570470
Why would I appeal to authority?

Provide a counterargument.
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>>135570433
Not really, I always find myself dropping shit if I try to read too many things in parallel. I'd rather just take one thing and focus intensively on it.
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>>135570487
Providing a source for your claims is not an "appeal to authority." Stop trying to dodge the issue.
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>>135570573
>Providing a source for your claims
My argument is the source for my claims. Try arguing against my argument instead of insisting that I engage in fallacious behavior.
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>>135570468
つまり、auxiliary verbs are not actually particles
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>>135570433
I read a moege during the day and then fap to / read a nukige at night.
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>>135570613
Yes.
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>>135570598
You have made claims to knowledge of the objective, 100% correct meaning of a kanji, but have provided no source for your claims. You haven't engaged in any fallacious behaviour, you've just spouted a mound of assertions without citing any sources.

How about you just admit that you're wrong and that no such objectively correct meaning exists? Just stop trying to save face with this ridiculous posturing and admit you're wrong.
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Listen up, fagboys.
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>>135570677
I am 80% sure this guy was dropped on his head as a baby
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>>135570677
>You have made claims to knowledge of the objective, 100% correct meaning of a kanji
No, I discluded one.
>but have provided no source for your claims
Except I have, and that source is the argument that I made.
>You haven't engaged in any fallacious behaviour
Citing an authority would be fallacious behavior. You are trying to tell me that the fallacious behavior of citing an authority. It's not that I'm doing it because it's impossible; I'm not doing it because it's invalid. My argument is invalid. I've detailed why "subscription" cannot be a meaning of this kanji. Try actually arguing against it.

How about you just admit that you're wrong and that such objectively wrong meaning does exist? Just stop trying to save face with this ridiculous posturing and admit you're wrong.
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>>135570738
>You are trying to tell me that the fallacious behavior of citing an authority
trying to tell me to do the*
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Please do not suspend the leeches.
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