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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
Work hard for your goals and live in the moment.
>tfw can feel my kanjigrid dick swelling
Guys, I fell for it. I fell for the god damn jouyou troll. I've learned all jouyou and jinmeiyou kanji and just as I thought I was gonna be finished with kanji, my teacher dropped the bomb: The average japanese person can read 20 000 kanji. TWENTY THOUSAND FUCKING KANJI. I'M NOT EVEN AT 3000.
Studying Japanese was a mistake.
/intermediatehell/ here. I've decided to become an NYRfaggot. Need some ideas for goals.
Any NYR here? What's your goal?
It's from a manga called "New Game!".
Well i know you guys like to call people retarded and correct them. B-be gentle.
"From the start this thread has been trolls (was made by trolls), i see nothing but a thread of madness."
Aren't they a group of stargazers?
There have always been a certain number of girls in astronomy clubs and the such, however"
There's nothing funny about this. I was an NYR last year, if I'd known the amount of kanji was this insurmountable I never would've started, but I was never told of the 20 000 kanji. The worst part is that another generation is gonna be tricked by the jouyou posters in the following weeks, I weep for thee.
I think the best resolutions are those you can think of and work on. For instance, if you say "I want to get healthy", you'll soon forget the NYR and not really do anything about it. But if you say, "I want to maintain a schedule of x reps of y exercise a day" then it's something you can focus on and actually work on.
Therefore, for Japanese, a good NYR would be something like "finish a full length VN / LN / novel every month", or "hit x,000 new words added in anki". If it sounds like that's just work, well yeah, that's what it is. I think a lot of people approach NYRs as "wishes" - I wish to be good at Japanese, so my NYR is "i want to be good at Japanese". That's why people fail, because they're wishing not working.
My NYR is to finish Legend of Galactic Heroes.
The time when [something] becomes a cook and [they] destroy an entire division with their bare hands isn't too far off, huh?
I read the thread up until that post but I still don't really understand the context so I'm not sure what the subject of the sentence is.
Can we please come up with some common strategy or study guidance?
I know there is no one size fits all and you guys love to argue about this but can we set some guidelines?
Such as (maybe not true):
Finish reps every day.
Struggle with given sentence for no more than x time, the bitch to djt to help.
Read this manga, not that one.
That is not true. A few simple ideas:
Certain genre of manga (im looking at you sol manga) do not use certain words or grammar structures, or not frequently enough (i challange you to find jplt lvl 1 and 2 grammar in certain manga)
The writing style in a manga is more often than not conversational. It does not give adequate exposure to other writing styles, which again use different structures.
In between the math infodumps, german chants, etc, absolutely.
math major reporting in. it actually is compelling to me to learn how to talk about math in japanese.
plus fap materialperhaps i've just found my VN of choice.
To the anon who told me how to get Rikai to read words from .pdf files properly, thanks. May your reps be fast and your retention be high.
look at this risqué little bitch
i bet you'd even
hold handswhile walking, you sick fuck
Prudes, please die. There's no point in any of it if you don't even get to embrace your loved one.
>Lesson 4- Numbers
I-I can't take it!
Fixed, but uncensored, so be careful
When applying the discount code "wanikani heart textfugu" on a year subscription on Wanikani, it brings the total down to $50 for a year. However, it also has a category labeled "Good for" with "forever" being the value. What exactly does this indicate? Does it mean that in 1 year, should I decide to renew, that it will again be priced at $50 for a year?
I went from 0 to reading visual novels and manga without much issue, all by myself, no tutors.
The fundamental aspect of learning a language is exposing yourself to native material, i.e. reading and listening. You obviously do not need a tutor for that.
You can become fluent if you devote enough time. The more sources you use, the better
but some hands on experience with the language is always a good thing too, not necessary though
Over time, mistakes will be worn down by simple exposure. It's really hard to maintain misunderstandings when exposed to so much content, trust me. It's not as big a deal as you might think.
>B-b-but I might get something wrong.
This is a newfag concern, from my experience.
I used to put all sorts of ridiculous notes on my cards cause I was afraid of misunderstanding things.
Just keep reading and shit and you will get it. It's not like people don't misunderstand words in English too.
I barely even study anymore even though I have the time.
How do the intermediates still grind it all out daily?
All I do is listen to music and half ass my reps whereas for the past year it was first thing do reps and read for three hours.
Ive been listening more I guess but I've just got other things to do.
I can play jrpgs but I almost feel like its a hopeless cause and im just relaxing. Maybe since im potentially going to japan will be a good motivator.
To add on to this, you need to make goals that are SMART.
>Specific – target a specific area for improvement.
>Measurable – quantify or at least suggest an indicator of progress.
>Attainable – assuring that an end can be achieved.
>Realistic – state what results can realistically be achieved, given available resources.
>Time-related – specify when the result(s) can be achieved.
Mine is to study at least 5 minutes a day and finish 2 VNs. Same as last year.
I'm reading LOGH and it's really really interesting. I read some of that, then spend the rest of the day playing porn JRPGs from dlsite and reading some moege. It's a three prong attack. Reps boost my hard vocab, moege gives me plain exposure, and LOGH gives me tough Japanese to practice with. But I enjoy just about all of it.
Just remember that the language makes sense. If something sounds wierd then you should probably reevaluate your interpretation of it. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that Japanese is some mystical oriental code unintelligable to the western mind. The same goes for the Japanese people for that matter.
Probably the most useful thing I learned while getting my MBA. Then I never got a job and became a NEET. 80k well spent.
I spend at least 30 minutes per day on Anki and haven't missed a day in 9 months. The 5 minutes is just a low pressure way to make sure I do something every day.
>he thinks he has a good chance of going to japan through the navy
gg memed down
shoulda gone to college, major in stem, get n1, easy to find a graduate program in glorious nippon and you won't be on some shitty military base in sasebo or whatever , either
A little girl dies every time you make a sperg post like that.
Gotta go faster then that.
"Excluding you" isn't it?
I actually know tons of people who went to Japan in the navy. Its pretty common really. Maybe ill find someone to get married with.
I needed this anon.
Im going to do no chan for a year more than likely.
>falling for DJT memes
Never take beginner level advice from the thread itself at face value. You read the guide and try out the resources and methods mentioned there and pick the method/resource that works best for you.
igaf how long it takes, im young and have plenty of years
just relax and enjoy the ride yo
I mean I don't want to go on chans anymore. 8ch 4chan. I don't know if it's because im getting older but it really makes me hate myself. Your brain adapts to what's in front of it and every shitpost has its truth and I just want to not be on here in general.
Memes are pretty played out. Everything is a meme nowadays.
I already have everything I can learn from 4chan. Learned how to lift eat right learn Japanese great books to read.
Why even be here once I've extracted everything good from it?
Forwards! This year is going to be a success, if you work hard for your goals.
You probably don't want to know, if you're a vanilla panda like me.
But despite the heartbreakingly horrible things China let's happen to his girls, he does draw very cute ones.
You just couldn't behave like a decent human being, could you? I hope you're really proud of yourself now.
Yeah you're right but that right there is reason enough to leave. I probably won't do it but this site sucks.
Fuck it im doing it.
I don't want to do it but im definetely going to try to find a cutey there to learn Japanese with.
Just started a few days ago, but the guide is fucking confusing me.
It doesn't really say what to move on to next after the kana. It says vocabulary is essential, but that it's impractical to learn kanji at the same time as learning vocabulary. So do I just not learn kanji until I've gotten some vocabulary knowledge? I thought kanji was important. When do I move onto grammar? When was the last time this guide was updated?
>I already have everything I can learn from 4chan. Learned how to lift eat right learn Japanese great books to read.
Why even be here once I've extracted everything good from it?
You could try learning punctuation next, dipshit.
>Some people believe or find that individual study of the kanji is not as practical as simply learning the kanji via vocabulary
Key parts "some people believe" and "individual study". You can choose to study study kanji individually with RTK/KanjiDamage (which is slower, but will make learning vocabulary easier), or you can acquire kanji in the process of learning vocab (doing both at the same time). Try both and see which works for you.
Guide is in the process of being revamped. Just grab the deck in the Anki startup guide for now while reading Tae Kim / Japanese: The Manga Way / Genki and see how that goes. Read the Anki manual to make sure you're using it right / have it set up right for you. If your retention is complete garbage a couple weeks in, consider getting a kanji radical deck or handwriting the problem words. If that doesn't help, then consider a form of individual kanji study. Not everyone learns the same, so you may like learning kanji through vocab more, or you may like learning kanji first more. I'd try kanji through vocab for now since it's less of a time investment to try. Something like RTK is a 3 month time investment if you're going at a rate of 25 kanji a day.
>inb4 replying to a several-day old post
Congrats on finishing Flyable Heart, I guess you really are likely to succeed if you try.
I think you misunderstood, Shou being pushed through dimensions was caused by the Kaichou's fireworks exploding, not by Suzuno. So then presumably Kururi was monitoring space-time and sent an agent back to correct the slip. Time travel plots always require a little suspension of disbelief.
If Shou had approached Suzuno before she went back, she wouldn't have recognised him at all, so it would have been pointless.
If you wanted to win the water gun fight or haunted house, you should've played it properly instead of cheating. It feels a lot more engaging and satisfying to navigate the choices yourself. I get you don't like trial-and-error gameplay, but then don't complain about how you didn't like it/wanted to win it.
>i know tons of people who went
this doesn't mean your chances are good anon.
the navy has <20k personnel in japan, out of about 320k personnel total. that's fucking low compared to other career options where you basically have a 100% chance of getting where you want to go.
Thanks. I was really worried I wasn't going to finish at the end and I would have been really mad at myself.
I don't know if you were the one who told me about a week ago to give up because it was impossible, but if so, thanks. Over the last year I've gotten a lot of positive and negative comments here, and they are each motivating in their own way.
I guess I understood it right, but it just didn't make sense to me. I didn't understand how just a plain explosion could send him to another dimension so I assumed something else was going on. But if you read it the same way, then I guess that is the correct interpretation.
It is actually possible to win them? I tried a lot of different choices and always lost both of them. And I got all of the CGs, so it is weird that winning them doesn't give a CG.
I'll post my Flyable Heart chart one more time to get it out there.
For real JRPGs, just check out Alice Soft, Eushully, Nine/Dual-tail, and other such companies. You can of course also play classics like the FF series, DQ series, or even heck stuff like Dark Souls.
I was referring to DL site porn rpgs like pic related though, not actual JRPGs.
how to stop anki from syncing automatically when i load it? i need to run the Check Media option to get it to clear the data from a deck I deleted, but I can't even get there without uploading 200,000 media changes first...?
>To use one's elbows to view.
Imabi, king of example sentences.
This is the ultimate problem with education facilities and language learning: They want to treat languages like math.
The best way to learn a language is to graze, and graze a lot. Mass exposure to native material is where you learn how natives use their language, along with being a fairly high resonance method for picking up vocabulary. When do you get there? When you're there. What do you do? Whatever you want. Just enjoy the journey, put in the time (this is the one thing that you should be very stringent with; try for at least an hour per day; don't go as easy on yourself as five minutes), and don't stress too much about where you are, and your progress will benefit from it.
Anki is a great tool, but you'll find that anki can't really do its job as well as it could be without the grazing.
Set your review limit to 9999. Alternatively, use custom study to get your reviews back down to zero. Finish your reviews every single day. This is the most important part of anki, even more important than adding new cards.
Up your new cards to 25, and see how you do.
"The 1500 yen package has twice the circumference, but both have a value of 3000 yen supposedly. The 1500 yen package affords 3000 yen of goods, the 1000 package affords 3000 yen of goods. There's no need to do any mental math, the 1000 yen package seems a great deal. With that said, i bought the daily goods package to take a look. "
Friendly reminder to state your question clearly and understandably.
But that's a good translation. ふたまわり is probably not talking specifically about circumference as much as size or volume, though.
Guys a word of warning.
Manga is good for starting off learning japanese but after you can get, say 90% of the material, its time to move on.
It is a hindrance to progress after a while. It provides too much context and is too visual, not to mention often times its too simple.
i don't know if this is japanese or not, but could someone tell me what the characters on this shirt mean? i just bought it and wanna make sure it doesn't say baby dicks or something
ignore these trolls, it says cant stump the trump
Are there anyone in /djt/ that both studies japanese and still manage their responsibilities (wagefag, uni stuff, etc)? During my summer break, I manage to do my dailies for quite some time, but when classes resumed it became harder to keep up.
Hey, DJT. I'm gathering useful add-ons for general Anki learning.
I didn't include specifically DJT-related add-ons yet.
This is just a test:
useful Anki add-ons
Always On Top
Image Occlusion 2.0
Power format pack: Markdown, code blocks, lists, tables and more
I don't have an issue. I just thought it was funny. Someone linked a FO3 jikyou earlier and said something like, "why the fuck do the Japanese spaz out about everything in these things, it's always KOWAI and SUGOI out the ass", so when I opened this video and such was true so fast I couldn't help but laugh.
I'm keeping up with my JP studies while working. I've been doing it for a little under a year now, so it's not that long, but I think if you feel motivated it's not especially difficult. I enjoy learning, so it's not hard to find time to do something I want to do.
That being said, I don't think my job is that hard, even if it is kind of time consuming. I'm not sure how much more difficult it would be if I had to work harder. I'm a veteran network engineer, which basically means I just do consulting and advising while everybody else works their ass off.
I installed it yesterday but I haven't started yet. I think I'm going to read through my Read Real Japanese book first. Once I get into it I'll make a post about what kind of content it has. I hope there is an
Just posting my writing training. I might make it a habit to post every day just so I don't slack off.
Someone help me out with this:
でも水銀って体温計に使われている銀色の液体金属ですよね？ そんなものに手を突っ込んで大丈夫なの？ いろいろと不思議な動画ですが、何よりもビックリなのが、水銀がいっさい手に付着しない点です。
"However, mercury is the liquid metal used in thermometers right? Is it really alright to shove your hand in? Various strange videos exist (???), what surprises us most is that it does not stick to the hands.
What is いろいろと不思議な動画ですが doing here? Is it referencing there are many strange videos? I find it strange that then they seem to talk about this video specifically that the mercury does not stick to the hand.
SMART is essentially stating that you need a series of specific, inflexible, time-sensitive checkpoints to move you from point to point in a focused manner. This is great (or even necessary) if you're trying to pay off your student loans over the next year, run five miles within a certain time, or are organizing a business venture with limited funds, but it's not necessarily to your benefit with language learning. Instead, you should focus on using strong methods (reading and listening to native material, looking things up as needed) and putting in the time. If you're fucking up, don't worry about it. Just push on. The only way to fail at learning Japanese is to use stupid methods and/or slack off too much.
If you do set a checkpoint, I'd make it general enough and far enough in the future that it's basically a "don't go too easy on yourself" checkpoint. For example, "pass N2 by next December". How you get there is described in very general terms that SMART advocates wouldn't like: You just read, listen, and if you feel that you're floundering a little, experiment with various methods that you believe might help you. If you're trying like a motherfucker, and it's obvious that, while you're making progress, you're not moving fast enough to pass the N2 by December, then just aim for next July. The important thing is that you're putting in the time.
>Also "the best way" is a fairly vague term. Best in what way?
Getting you to your goals in a quick and thorough manner. Ironically, making yourself overly structured will hurt your progress here, not help it. Listen to what you want, read what you want. Enjoy it. It's extremely important that you're having fun, both to keep you motivated and to help with your retention. Just make sure that you do it.
I don't think you really understand it. Your suggestion of doing 1 hour per day for a year would meet all the requirements of SMART.
Passing N2 by next December is a SMART goal.
Reading 1 VN per month is a SMART goal.
Reading 1 VN per year is a SMART goal.
Doing 20 new words in Anki every day for a year is a SMART goal.
Doing 1 new word in Anki every day for a year is a SMART goal.
Vague goals like "lose weight", "eat less", "study more", "read more", etc are not SMART.
I also have a job and go to university. I started in the summer and was doing really good. School and work got too hectic though. I think I just need to manage my time better.
Generally, sure, but it's the focus that I have an issue with. SMART-focused people will be like "How much closer to passing the N2 did I get today?", or, as December approaches, "Oh shit, am I really ready for the N2?! I need to study for it! Will I be able to meet my deadline?! Shit shit shit!"
I don't think that it's a helpful mentality to put too much emphasis on a strict long-term schedule with language learning. You should enjoy your day-to-day growth, along with the material that you read. The N2 thing is just something to call you back to the path if you ever find that it's been a month since you've read or done anki.
This is a common misconception from beginners.
If you make a mistake, sooner or later (more likely sooner), your understanding of Japanese grammar will give you a broken sentence that doesn't make any sense. The only way that your misconceptions will continue is if you're very lazy and don't make any attempt to correct them when you inevitably run across that broken understanding.
Some people get better results with that kind of rigid study even in language learning. They make them not slack off and make significant progress at a solid pace. For most, it's hard to be self-disciplined without concrete short-term or long-term goals that aren't "get a bit better everyday".
If you never read anything more advanced than children's manga, your understanding of the language will never progress past the level of a child's.
I'm sure that anyone who's learning to read manga has more than just manga on their list of things that they want to read. The sooner you move on to those things, the sooner you'll be able to read them easily.
Well done, mate. Soon we can roll our balls together.
You won't get better results, because you'll be overly obsessed with your goals (studying to the test, rushing through the VN, etc.) instead of just gathering all of the knowledge that you can.
You see these idiots from time to time. "Should I learn this word? Will it help me pass the test? It's not on the N2, right?" Who fucking cares? Consider the purpose of the test. You're ultimate goal isn't a stupid certificate. It's to become proficient in Japanese. Yes, you want to learn that fucking word. Stop being so obsessed with concrete goals and just learn some goddamn Japanese.
If you can't stay on track unless you're studying to the test, then that's a problem with your willpower, and you need to fix it.
I think I may be one of the few people here who actually did the wanikani anki deck. I guess anyone who wants to can ask me questions and I'll answer as best I can.
Can one of you be of assistance? I'm an absolute retard with kanji lookup, and I can very rarely manage to find a match for what I'm looking up.
Can anyone tell me what this says? It's an old music video I have on a past computer's SATA drive.
The primary problems with it are how expensive it is, the fact that it limits your progress pretty significantly, and its SRS not being as good or as customizable as Anki.
Basically, using it in Anki deck form is fine, but while the paid version is good outside of those issues, it's not even remotely worth paying hundreds of dollars for compared to using a slightly older Anki deck of it or using other resources.
Unless the hundreds of dollars you'll end up spending on it is pocket change and you'll be going slower than what it limits you to for some reason during the couple years it takes you to complete it, you'd be better of using an Anki deck version or just using other resources.
For what's essentially a well organized Anki deck of a system like RTK/KD with vocab, yes, it is. You'll have spent at least over $200 on it by the time you're almost done.
There's no reason to willingly spend that kind of money on it when there's an Anki deck that's more customizable/better SRS available or other resources that are about as good depending on what you want out of them.
I think it takes around one and a half year to complete it going at a non-optimal pace. Maybe more now that they've added stuff to it.
Not implying anything, just adding information. I don't think there's any real reason for people to use it except maybe for the hand-holding aspect in that it teaches radicals and kanji and vocab in an integrated manner. I used it myself when I had just started learning Japanese, but I ended up replacing it with Anki at like level 15 or something.
Been studying Japanese for 2 years. When I started here I said to another anon in my same position on new year's day that we'd both make it and would meet again to update each other next year. He didn't show up ;_;
You still out there Anon1?
>you can't fake your way through it by hitting "good" on cards that you clearly didn't remember
I genuinely can't tell if this is a blatant shitpost or if you're just a retard with no self control / too much pride to accept that you got something wrong.
Don't bother. He's obviously a retard with an IQ in the double digits who's incapable of seeing past next month with his finances. Things like "long term budget" or "money is a finite thing that shouldn't be wasted" don't register with him. He's probably the kind of guy who falls for shit like "Get financed for just $50 per week!"
One day at a time, that's how I take it. Don't think about the years of toil and tedium that lie ahead of you, just focus on the present, card by card. Like running a marathon.
Then it's time to decide what matters most in life, you yourself or Anki. Otherwise you might just end up losing yourself to the grind.
Not him, but if you don't think so, you must be some spoiled kid. That's 2 days worth of food, or a weeks worth of gas where I'm from.
If mommy and daddy pay for everything for you, then fine, go ahead. But to us who have to work for a living, that's simply not worth it.
>shitty order and newspaper words.
This is why I keep wanting to drop anki
I finished my reps and then just started reading random crap in japanese and it's easy to spot words that are immensely more useful than all of this business related crap core throws at you at about 1000 cards in
Ignore all the newfags here that say they do 20 new cards a day. 20 a day is newfags because they have nothing in their decks to start with.
Worst case scenario limit the amount of reviews it gives you a day. Don't stop doing them though desu senpai.
Is Japan unique in having such a fucked word order for beginner resources? I remember dabbling in some German a few years ago and all of the beginner words were things like:
I may as well make my own deck, which is what flash cards are for anyways.
DJT should just make a deck
Personally I think it would be great to start with simple 1-kanji words where the kanji's "meaning" matches the word.
I know these aren't the real meaning but just good for mnemonics, but doing it this way you would automatically get the benefit of the mnemonic while learning words. Then when you learn more complex words people would naturally apply the mnemonic even if they aren't aware of it.
Ha! I am not that dumb then!
>except the writing system
I've heard that Japanese speaking is really "slurry" though. As in, the words are not pronounced as clearly or distinctly as other asian languages.
I'm fine with even very strict goals when they make sense for the task. For example, not spending a penny more than your budget while trying to pay off a loan, or having an inflexible scope and a series of due dates on your creative project so that your project doesn't fall into development hell.
It's just that Japanese is not the kind of task that benefits from strict goals. You shouldn't study to the test, and you should rush yourself. What you need to do is graze. Absorb everything that you can, and do it well. When you're good at Japanese, you'll be able to pass those tests, and you'll have gotten there much faster than if you were rushing around and letting stringent goals limit you.
I believe the Unicode blocks for kana are set up alphabetically, so a regular sorting algorithm comparing Unicode codepoints like numbers would just work TM.
However, I don't know how that works with kanji, as many are shared between Chinese, Nipponese, (old) Korean, (old) Vietnamese, etc. They probably just get sorted in whatever order they appear in in the code-table.
>many are shared between Chinese, Nipponese, (old) Korean, (old) Vietnamese, etc. They probably just get sorted in whatever order they appear in in the code-table.
Good point. I didn't think about it from that angle.
>I vaguely remember someone saying wanikani has "chunni" vocab. Would you say this is true? Or did it feel more like "newspaper words"
"Chuuni" is probably going too far, but I think there are a few pretty uncommon words that are only included for the purpose of learning specific kanji readings. I wouldn't say it felt like newspaper vocab either, although it does include words like 倒産 and 保険. Mostly the vocab seemed pretty basic to me, words like black, white, revolve, see, etc. come up fairly early on. Only some of the annoying counter words are included, and the dumb mnemonics it provides to help remember each of the individual readings actually did help me a lot when I was just starting out.
The kinds of people who use wanikani despite knowing that anki exists are the kinds of people who are poor no matter how much money they make.
>It's just $10/month!
>It's just $30/month!
>It's just $10!
>It's just $20!
>It's just $15!
>It's just $150 per year!
>It's just $40!
>Wait, I make $100k/yr, so why did I have my electricity shut off last week?
I'll tell you why. Beyond earning a livable wage, the secret to having money is to not spend it. That especially includes avoiding useless monthly fees. Those will take even people who should have a very high amount of financial lax and make them live paycheck to paycheck.
Cool, is that statically in the Unicode-table, or is it handled by software via another mechanism? I'm pretty sure it has to be the first though, anything else'd be ridiculous.
Source would be nice as well.
>Neither WK nor anki is superior, they are just different, and serve own purpose. Sure they overlap on somethings, but on a larger scale they arent direct rivals. I have tried both, and decided to stick with WK, its better for me.
It seems to me the people who use Wanikani are somehow deluded. I really cannot think of how someone could use both Anki and Wanikani and come to the conclusion above. It's baffling.
I'm nervous about "integrative complexity" here, am I just turning this into black and white and not considering every factor and viewpoint? I try and really cannot think of how someone would make that conclusion, unless they didn't use anki for more than a day.
The Unicode table really is one of the great modern wonders of the world.
WK isn't supposed to be a replacement for anki, just a replacement for a basic pre-made anki deck like core6k. Obviously someone using wanikani would also create a mining deck in anki.
Frankly, what you are doing here is making up something that is not true. I do not believe the majority or even a significant number of wanikani users have an anki mining deck, and I do not believe wanikani gives any indication that one should be mining words for an anki deck. Keep in mind that Wanikani's whole business model is exploiting ignorant would-be language learners, so I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of their users don't even know anki exists.
No hard data either way though, so this is just my opinion too.
I think part if it is that people who start out with anki don't know how to edit the card templates, to fit it to their needs. This was my big complaint when I was starting out with anki, and now that I know how to do it, I find it to be a fantastic tool.
Well, I agree with you actually, but of course the majority of wanikani users are reddit types who will probably never learn Japanese. What I had in mind was people from /djt/ who make the decision to use WK and already know about things like anki and mining decks.
That could be true. It would mean they don't read the anki manual, but that's not a surprise, I didn't really either. I learned to edit formats my first day using it, because back in the day Core2k/6k had that god-awful yellow format with the English on front.
Beginners start here:
Thes constancy of baseless assumptions and a complete misrepresentation of what Anki actually is reeks of insecurity. People seem to conflate Anki with the Core6k deck while assuming that people who do X must not be capable of doing Y, Z, A, B, or C.
It has very little to do with Japanese and reads like insecure beginners putting on a false bravado to defend the approach as though the mere existence of people doing something different is a blow to the confidence in their own approach.
There are a few possible reasons.
For starters, Wanikani holds your hand. If you're stupid and a worthless, easily intimidated little pussy bitch, that might be more appealing than anki, which hands you the reigns to your own learning.
Another possible facet is obsession with compromise + encouragement to follow what they feel without challenging it. Schools and children's shows teach children that coming to the conclusion that something is inferior is closed minded and foolish, and to follow their "heart". If you're stupid and blindly follow what you're told without actually thinking on it, you might never come to realize that while rejecting an idea without evaluating it first is indeed closed minded, sometimes, the truth is that one side is full of shit, and deserves nothing less than complete defeat. Thus, you'll always treat compromise as the moral and intellectual high ground, and avoid finding the truth. You'll combine this blindly following what you feel, without really investigating to see if its justified.
Sometimes, the conclusions that people come to aren't founded in good information and solid reasoning. They're expressions of ignorance, laziness, simple-mindedness, and ego. The fact that you look at them and just shake your head at the sheer stupidity of what's coming out of their mouth doesn't automatically make you closed minded. Some people truly deserve it.
>Another possible facet is obsession with compromise + encouragement to follow what they feel without challenging it. Schools and children's shows teach children that coming to the conclusion that something is inferior is closed minded and foolish, and to follow their "heart". If you're stupid and blindly follow what you're told without actually thinking on it, you might never come to realize that while rejecting an idea without evaluating it first is indeed closed minded, sometimes, the truth is that one side is full of shit, and deserves nothing less than complete defeat. Thus, you'll always treat compromise as the moral and intellectual high ground, and avoid finding the truth. You'll combine this blindly following what you feel, without really investigating to see if its justified.
Oh look, it's you again.
>that retard who thinks that he's so cleverly spotted a samefag, even though he's wrong
>even if he were right, he thinks that this does anything to refuse the point being made
I know what you mean, that's a pretty caustic outlook, but at the same time, in the context of Anki and WaniKani I can't help but agree. Given the complete lack of any compelling argument defending Wanikani.
i think you're almost right.
it's more saying there are a lot of things surprising about the one video, the most surprising thing being when mercury doesn't stick to the hand.
disclaimer: mercury is extremely poisonous to the touch. do not touch it with your bare hands
>If you can't stay on track unless you're studying to the test, then that's a problem with your willpower, and you need to fix it.
Not sure why you think having a goal equates to frenetically studying to a test. That's a connection you drew in your own head and isn't a reflection of reality. Like >>135562370 said, "Read for an hour a day" is a valid and "SMART" goal.
The way some many people address the "problem" with their willpower is by setting measurable, attainable, timed goals, and then sticking to them. By the way, that, in itself, is an exercise of willpower.
How long will Wanikani take? I am looking to sign up during the holiday sale, and with a coupon, it is $5/mo, $50/year, or $200 for lifetime. I plan to do a little bit every day, quietly working towards my personal goals (no plans to move to Japan anytime soon).
At a "leisurely" pace, how long do most people take? If it is more than a 4 year course, then the lifetime is worth it, otherwise annual is better, right?
I hear it takes about three years. I just bought a year subscription. i figure after that amount of time, I'll probably be in shape to just read books and watch TV and learn new words as I go, rather than rely on mnemonics and the like. And if not, another fifty bucks won't hurt.
And we almost went one thread w/o rtk mention, to think
>Contains literally wrong information
>Artificially limits your progress by making up radicals etc that don't exist
>Artificially limits your speed even if you want to faster; even if you go as fast as possible you can only go as fast as a normal anki user
>Locked in to it, you can't export your scheduling information
>Tells you whether you got something right, have to go outside the normal system to make "dad" a synonym for "father"
>The scheduling system is objectively inferior to Anki's
>Only customization is browser mods like scriptish
>Eventually ends and you're fucked if you want more content
Advertising. Right. Because it's definitely not possible that some people don't fall for the hivemind and instead decide to find out for themselves for the low price of $10 a month.
If you're going to troll newfags, wouldn't it be better to shill something that actively hurts your learning like Rosetta Stone? Wanikani is slow/expensive but it would be funnier to see people learning in romaji.
Most commonly a problem of using terminology that's overly ambiguous.
It defines 階 as "floor". If mnemonics are supposed to fade over time, this is fucking retarded. "storey" would obviously be better. It's not because they refuse to use only one word phrases either; their 陣 is "army base".
They define 閥 as "clique", which is silly.
They define 購 as "subscription" which is retarded and wrong and *from kanjidict* which based it on a single two-kanji compound.
>mfw I looked and you're right
Haha oh wow
Amazing. WaniKani doesn't even have anything new to sell except for vendor lockin. Now I feel bad for defending its wikipedia page.
>mouse over each of those kanji with rikai
>in each case the wanikani meaning is the same as one of the listed kanji meanings
Now you're just talking shit. That's clearly not "wrong information."
Nigga can you read?
>which is retarded and wrong and *from kanjidict* which based it on a single two-kanji compound
>購読 paid subscription
The meaning "subscription" is exclusive to the word こうどく here. Nowhere is the concept of subscription applied to anything but こうどく. 購 does not mean subscription.
I watched the original series and read the original VN in English. I'm going to keep watching because I hope it gets good, but I've been disappointed so far. Maybe it is so slow because they split it into 2 games.
Please explain why you think your own opinion is somehow more valid than the information in jisho. Oh right, you can't. Clearly none of those things you listed are "wrong information" and you're just trying to save face.
Except it is.
>Please explain why you think your own opinion is somehow more valid than the information in jisho.
>Hint: Jisho also uses kanjidict.
>Kanjidict is not a dictionary of what kanji mean.
>Clearly none of those things you listed are "wrong information" and you're just trying to save face.
Except 購 as "subscription" is most definitely 100% objectively wrong information. 購読, sure, but not 購. Single words do not redefine what a kanji means.
The other two things I clearly portrayed as merely misleading, not wrong.
>Single words do not redefine what a kanji means.
So what does define what a kanji means? What is your source for the 100% objectively correct meaning of a kanji?
>The other two things I clearly portrayed as merely misleading, not wrong.
You posted them in reply to my post asking for examples of "wrong information."
Anki is mentally tiring and very time-consuming when you sit there for several seconds thinking hard for each and every card.
On the other hand, Anki is very easy if you just look at the word and flip it right away if the reading and meaning don't come to mind immediately. Allow repeated exposure to do its job and you will find yourself easily memorizing words. The only real drawback is you won't have a "99% correct" e-peen to show off.
>So what does define what a kanji means?
What it means. The words it wrote in chinese, and what words the japanese originally thought it meant when they took it, and the meaning that a large set of words use it for.
You can draw the line in many places, but including "when a single word uses it and the resulting word means Y" is absolutely batshit insane. 食 cannot possibly mean "groceries"; 購 cannot possibly mean "subscription". No matter where you draw the line.
>You posted them in reply to my post asking for examples of "wrong information."
What is "reading compehension"
>Most commonly a problem of using terminology that's overly ambiguous.
>You can draw the line in many places, but including "when a single word uses it and the resulting word means Y" is absolutely batshit insane. 食 cannot possibly mean "groceries"; 購 cannot possibly mean "subscription". No matter where you draw the line.
So you literally have no argument but assertions that it's "insane" and "cannot possibly" be the case? lol
>Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.
you right now
Japanese cannot possibly be an indo-european language.
There's such a thing as a non-starter. If you're incapable of understanding something as simple as that you have worse problems than being a sarcastic wanikani memer.
I've been experimenting and yesterday (today?) I tried very very hard to sit there and think hard about each word and memorize it. It took a very long time and a lot of energy but in the end the results were no better than usual. It seems that I get better results when I flip through and let my brain naturally soak the words in. Thinking too hard about learning seems to have the opposite effect. Just did half of todays reps this way and I'll probably go to bed soon and finish them when I wake up.
>I can make any claim I want and insist that it's obvious and people have to take me seriously!
No. Provide an authoritative source or accept that it's nothing but your personal opinion and not a basis on which you can claim someone else is providing "wrong information."
what do japs even mean by sayin "taito shougakusei", I swear I've heard someone say that on a podcast and he wasn't talking about the Taito corporation, or maybe I was just high and misheard
Sure thing bro
Hint if you can't read japanese: 意味
Now we know kanji have such a thing as a meaning to contribute to the words that they're in.
Clearly, you can say that if kanji *always* took their meaning from the words that use them, kanji would build up a massive and unintelligible number of meanings. Fundamental linguistics restricts that, it's as absurd as saying the world is flat.
Therefore, in order to prove that a *specific, given kanji* has gained a meaning based on a word that uses it, you need to find that larger word being implied solely by the presence of that single kanji.
購 is not one of these characters. Absolutely no word uses 購 to even imply "subscription". Every word that uses it that means subscription is using 購読, the word for subscription, to gain that meaning.
inb4 "that's invalid because you cooked it up yourself", suck it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
Ask anyone with actionable authority in japanese linguistics whether this argument is acceptable, they will say yes, even if they have a different opinion.
>I tried very very hard to sit there and think hard about each word and memorize it.
Yeah, that's how I naturally did my reps for the longest. It's a waste of time. Best to flip through quickly
let the anki flow through you
I still see no source. Again, "it can't be" is not an argument.
>Ask anyone with actionable authority in japanese linguistics whether this argument is acceptable, they will say yes, even if they have a different opinion.
Whether it's "acceptable" or not is not the question at hand. You're claiming to have some absolute, objective knowledge of the meanings of kanji that allows you to claim 購 doesn't mean subscription. Clearly you don't.
>Again, "it can't be" is not an argument.
Except it is. See the article.
1) Zero signs point to the character meaning subscription
2) If all characters acquired all meanings of the words they were used in, it would be a linguistic impossibility and there is no evidence that this is the case.
I will reiterate: 2 means you absolutely cannot assume that a character means what a given word that includes it means. You need to show that the character is actually used to imply that meaning. I have shown that this character is not used to mean this meaning. The *conclusion* is that it can't be mean this. Defining it as "subscription" is therefore wrong information.
>You're claiming to have some absolute, objective knowledge of the meanings of kanji that allows you to claim 購 doesn't mean subscription.
And I do, see above.
>I still see no source.
If someone told you WaniKani were an authoritative source on radicals, would you believe them>?
>get bored with moege
>play Monmusu Quest Paradox
>a week passes
>get bored with Monmusu Quest Paradox; really in the mood for moege again
It's a good idea to follow more than one work at once.
助詞 and 助動詞 are the two different types of 付属語, which is, along with 自立語, one of the two major classes of 単語, so they are closely related within the scope of Japanese grammar (which is a bit different from the grammar that's usually presented to you as a foreign learner).
You have made claims to knowledge of the objective, 100% correct meaning of a kanji, but have provided no source for your claims. You haven't engaged in any fallacious behaviour, you've just spouted a mound of assertions without citing any sources.
How about you just admit that you're wrong and that no such objectively correct meaning exists? Just stop trying to save face with this ridiculous posturing and admit you're wrong.
>You have made claims to knowledge of the objective, 100% correct meaning of a kanji
No, I discluded one.
>but have provided no source for your claims
Except I have, and that source is the argument that I made.
>You haven't engaged in any fallacious behaviour
Citing an authority would be fallacious behavior. You are trying to tell me that the fallacious behavior of citing an authority. It's not that I'm doing it because it's impossible; I'm not doing it because it's invalid. My argument is invalid. I've detailed why "subscription" cannot be a meaning of this kanji. Try actually arguing against it.
How about you just admit that you're wrong and that such objectively wrong meaning does exist? Just stop trying to save face with this ridiculous posturing and admit you're wrong.