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Spending Two years in temples
Deep fried leeches sound good right now. I don't automatically suspend leeches. Either I work out why I'm having trouble with it and solve that or I delete it.
I'm starting to think extensive listening is better than extensive reading. Reason being, with reading it gets easy to kind of simplifying word readings, like I just noticed I was reading 問う as "tuu" to save time, that can add up to problems long-term. With listening, you're getting pure language, but with reading, you gotta filter through your kanji goggles and gaijin pronunciation.
I'm getting btfo'd by the grammar here, what is she saying in the 2nd speechbubble from right? more specifically there seems to be 2 surus in the same sentence which I have not encountered before
every time I read a bit I add 200-400 cards
Who's the faggot who said grammar is harder than vocab?
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
Nope, I usually only post in the threads if it's advice, pointing someone to a resource, or if it's about updating something in the CoR / the main site. Haven't read whatever that was last thread yet.
The other spam image was sexier until spam-kun amputated her cute legs.
>not being gay
Go do your Anki reps
2) Actually lives in Japan
3) Actually knows Japanese
4) Is actively making videos https://www.youtube.com/user/kanadajin3/videos
5) Made many vids which accumulated hundred of thousands of views due to interest in Japanese culture
People watch her because she's lived in Japan for a long time, has a permanent residence permit, and is generally knowledgeable about the country, the culture and the language. Have you even watched her videos?
sorry if this question gets asked a lot, if I wanted to buy raw LN what would be the best shops? Both for actual copies and ebbok versions. I bought a few with amazon but shipping is really expensive, and it doesn't let me download ebooks unless I lie about my kindle being in Japan.
(I am aware of the resources database, but I like to be able to pick stuff on my own). Which sites do you guys use?
Man, this drama is sad.
Also she called 2chan "ni chan" at 12:00. Is that how it's actually called in Japan?
I guess, but I wondered if there was a way to not deal with the ebook country restrictions. I use my own country's amazon a lot so switching all the time sounds like a pain in the ass, and it would probably tip them off
> I know people who have N1 in the test but cannot speak or understand Japanese at all.
Is it that easy? I kind of want to do the test because I want to take up a career in translation.
I think that was a lie, actually. The JLPT N1 is fairly "difficult" in the sense it really does test real Japanese, you absolutely will not be able to pass it if you don't know the Japanese. At most someone could grind 10,000 words and kanji with flashcards and try to scrounge up 40 points from guessing, but I doubt that. Also, someone may be able to pass the reading / vocab / kanji sections but fail the listening, and thereby understand Japanese but be unable to communicate with it, but that is fairly fringe and I don't think too likely. So, I think she is lying.
I have looked at the past papers and I don't think it is beyond being studied for and passed by someone with very little functional ability.
This. I feel like i would be just better off getting ESL certified if i wanted ro teach english in japan, especially outside of the JET program.
Has anyone ever heard of the westgate progra that does short term (3-5 month) contracts. Are they legit?
Oh boy, here we go again with the arbitrary definitions and beliefs for what constitutes "knowing". I'll see myself out.
Come here, I'll strangle you before you can spread your vice any further.
characterized by or reflecting a state of moral or cultural decline.
The image wasn't to make a point, I included it because it shows a guy who reads newspapers and fluently converses with business partners in Japan being unable to pass N1 which I consider to be an interesting perspective.
I believe him. First of all, if you look through his account history there's only evidence backing up his claims. But beyond that, call me naive, but I don't think someone would write a post like that if it weren't true.
Reading so much Japanese has given me a whole new perspective on communication. Namely, vocabulary. I keep fantasizing what I'd be like if the characters in the VNs just happened to be as bad at Japanese as I am. For example.
>W-what!? ...What does テシテ mean?
>Eh? テシテ? No, it's てした.
>Oh, てした? W-what!? ...What does 手下 mean?
>It means 部下, you know 部下...?
>What!? ...Can you repeat that?
>部下! Fucking hell.
>部下!? ...Sorry, don't know that word either.
>Holy shit are you retarded?
>No, Japanese is just kind of hard, so...
Pi guy from a few days ago. I screwed up. I think to remember this, my ease needs to be way lower.
Watch out, it's only going to end in tears if you pay too much attention to how bad you are.
It is my native language, I'm just fucking filled with typos today.
What I really want to know is if taking the certification to TEACH engish as a second language internationally worth more than the JPLT.
You say English,We say Japanese
You say cars, we say nyan cats
you say Justin Bieber,we say Vocaloid
you say reality, we say Anime
you say awesome!,we say sugoii!
You say cute,we say kawaii.
You say comics,we say Manga
you say hello,we say konichiwa
you learn Japanese from classes,we learn from Anime
you cry if a character dies,we have a rainbow of emotions
you only feel what your favorite person feels,we feel everyone else feelings
you crush on a pop stars,we crush on Anime characters
you think we're crazy,but we think you're just normal
you say pirates,we say ONE PIECE
You say ninja,we say NARUTO
You say swords,we say BLEACH
you say family,we say FAIRYTAIL
You say crazy,we say SOUL EATER
you say justice,we say kira
you think we're fangirls/fanboys,but we're all Otakus
I Am An Otaku And I Approve This Message!
You are an OTAKU either??
Hell yeah motherfucker. OTAKU PRIDE !
I was about to say "rare kanji for you rare kanji postulators" but this is jinmeiyo and pretty common it seems...
The implication was that they're having spoken communication
New yr resolution fag here.
I dun goofed /djt/
Too vague, anon. Do I have to be good at teaching english or speaking advanced japanese. Are the tales of there being a demand for low level japanese speakers lies? Is there any benefit to having real time teaching skills? Or is this really bullshit i can do straight out of college?
I'm this fag, should I just start over again or go through all the cards and see which I remember?
Every time. List goes further down for the rest of the year
It gets worse. That guy Yuki who sent me the audio message sent me a recording of him singing. Like shit was pretty cringy. . . that's the only one where I just never responded.
>not memorizing common readings
Why would you not take advantage of one of the biggest strengths of kanji, there is literally no upside to memorizing everything separately instead of only the exceptions that fall outside the common readings.
Can upload him singing if you want
>inb4 you text like a girly man.
It was late and I was talking to females all that day.
How do you read a grammar book? Mine all of the particles etc. And put them into a deck? Reread until it sticks? Even something structured like Genki I have no idea how to direct myself through it.
Practice? look at sentences that use those particles and then break them down.
just staring at something and not knowing how to use it is stupid.
Practice making sentences with those particles.
>Mine all of the particles etc. And put them into a deck?
Easy with the Anki
>Even something structured like Genki I have no idea how to direct myself through it.
Read it in the same order as the page numbering. It's cleverly ordered in such a way that the latter parts build upon the previous ones, which lets you gradually increase your understanding of Japanese and become pretty good at it by the end.
>use skip reviews every day
>never have to do any reps, yet still learns Japanese
Feels good. Who said Japanese was hard?
I'm talking about the scripted dialogues that are done by professional voice actors.
If you're talking about whatshisname -- Peter -- I totally agree. Fuck Peter. Naomi-sensei sound pretty kawaii though.
Does anyone have a good estimate of how many words you'd need to learn to get fluent in a reasonable amount of time? I know most grammar and kanji at this point but my vocab has just gone out the window since I stopped studying seriously about 2 years ago.
If you did 10 words a day, vs 4 words a day, how far would you get?
When I saw this post
>Genki 2 over 5 months
It made me wonder how many people aren't studying at a decent pace and should just give up, or study harder. Myself included.
I think 6,000 - 10,000 vocabulary is the "conversational" level where you can follow most novels and television while a relatively degree of comprehension (assuming you also know grammar + have done listening practice). I'm at that level and can read most books and watch most anime so that's what I'm basing it on. That would be 2.7 years at 10 words a day or 6.85 years at 4 words a day. In reality, reading practice + kanji will boost you a lot. That's not very long (2.7 years - 1 year due to reading practice gains = 1.7 years) in my opinion.
>you learn more words than the average grade schooler
>It made me wonder how many people aren't studying at a decent pace and should just give up, or study harder. Myself included.
Genki II in 5 months is actually almost TWICE as fast as the average second-level college Japanese course. That guy is actually learning TOO quickly. I recommend taking 10 months to do each Genki book, that's slightly slower than a classroom pace, but you need to spend more time doing production exercises to make up for the fact that you don't have a trained, PhD-holding Professor of Japanese guiding your learning.
This is the "you can't learn Japanese girl" in disguise. Get the fuck out of here. Do your reps, Anon-san. A lazy day is for those plebs that will ever learn Japanese.
Dude, Genki 2 in 5 months is slow as shit. I'm at work for 11 hours a day and I still managed to move faster than that.
You just need to sacrifice everything else: no friends, no good food, no other hobbies.
That wouldn't work when someone is just starting out... unless they're some autistic savant with an amazing memory.
I don't exactly know what this is but if it means writing and shit then grade A troll bro.
I doubt anyone here will fall for it but you know someone out there would believe this.
So this basic-ish thing I can't find much on google is annoiying me.
I think it's Keikosan's ero anime that's seen as homosexual? Keikosan's homo ero anime? the ホモと見る part is what's tripping me up.
They have an English board. 2ch is the kind of place where there's a board for things, not a thread for things.
I don't particularly mind, but why am I getting this and all the economics terms before something like 犬?
Core2k is good, with maybe a 5% "useless card" rate (and even those are actually good words if you actually intend to speak and communicate in Japanese).
It's only Core6k that really pushes it.
22.9? Hasn't that update been available for weeks? If fuckfucks is giving you trouble type
into your browser and set
Make sure you set it to update never too.
Anki sucks if you're a normie who can't sit down and do reps every day. But if you can't dedicate yourself to learning a language you're not going to learn it (in a reasonable amount of time) anyway.
probably the people that made wanikani shilling it as hard as possible
even if that were to happen, still nobody would use it
Nobody would use it only because the Wanikani Method relies on proceeding at the exact pace set by the specially developed proprietary Wanikani SRS technology. But those who do follow the Wanikani Method properly will undoubtedly learn Japanese.
Don't worry boys, there's plenty of bara doujins to take your "anger" out on.
Thank you. Is 'to do something completely' the most common use of ちゃう?
I'm aware that it can also mean 'to do something accidentally' and 'to be surprised at an action' (I think).
Already played it with the english patch a while back. Now that I can finally read the original text they stopped development after working on it for over a fucking decade so it's just sad to play now.
Tatsu's route might be worth it.
Is it that furry shit? I feel like I'm going to throw up.
But thank you very much for the information, I really appreciate. I thought Morenatsu was some visual novel database that had links to buy visual novels.
I'm following this mangaka on twitter and sometimes he'll tweet a bunch of times, and then write one last tweet that just says 「では。」
The nips seem to think it's funny. But what exactly does he mean by posting just that?
I already tried reading that article, it's just gibberish to me, I don't understand any of the baseball terminology, I can't visualize any of it.
Could someone just tell me how the Japanese use this expression in figurative language?
>が and は have no direct English translation
>therefore, I will now demonstrate the difference using a series of sentences that are identical in English
I wonder if Japanese is even actually hard, or if every author of Japanese learning material is just retarded
I don't know what anime you watch, but no sub I've ever seen is true enough to the original Japanese to do that.
Unless you know enough Japanese to not need subs, but then, you don't have business studying basic shit like that anyways.
I'm having the same problem. Been trying to translate panel 3 for about an hour with no luck. Any ideas?
I almost forgot:
>one is the topic marker, and the other is the subject marker
>please ignore the fact that you don't know what these two phrases mean either
>please ignore that these two phrases mean completely different things when talking about English
20 words a day is a great pace, you'll have the Jouyou kanji down within a year or so. In fact, it's even fairly fast, considering.
Don't neglect grammar though. Reading practice (and listening) is THE MOST important aspect of learning Japanese. Do not just cruise on anki for a long time while piddling through Tae Kim or what have you. Be diligent and study grammar properly so you can get into reading.
How trustworthy is /a/'s DJT.
has any of you made any significant process because of this thread?
>not learning German to read Japanese VNs
Imagine a butler with the speech quirk of saying "Now then." instead of "Excuse me."; now imagine that he decided to cut off the "Now" and just say "Then." and bow and walk away instead.
That's what では registers like to me.
世の中に “絶対” はない……そう思っていた時期が俺にもありました。特に料理はスキルの差が出やすいジャンルで、上級者ならまだしも、料理慣れしていない人にとっては、失敗は付き物といえるだろう。だがついに……。
"In this world there are few certainties, even I feel this way sometimes. Especially when there is a difference in cooking skill, concerning experienced people or rather inexperienced people, its something that can be said to come with mistakes. However finally.."
What does 特に料理はスキルの差が出やすいジャンルで、上級者ならまだしも、料理慣れしていない人にとっては、失敗は付き物といえるだろう。 mean?
Can you guys recommend any anki decks that are for remembering kanji?
I'm using Core6K atm, but I feel like it would be good to have a deck like that but instead of getting the English word and remembering the Japanese one, you get the Japanese word written in the proper way, and have to recall the meaning in English. Does anyone know of a deck like this?
>finish reps literally 5 minutes before new day
Yeah. I have to admit the fib though, I already had 跋扈 in my anki deck from something I read on 2015-09-29. Didn't see it yet though.
It's just convenient to not need to exhibit self discipline.
Cooking in particular is genre where skill makes a lot of difference
Failure is a given, maybe not for advanced practicitioners, but at least for people with little experience cooking.
Something like that is the gist of it I think.
I finished Flyable Heart. I did my reps early and prepared myself to read all night until I finished, but it ended up only taking 2 hours. Now I have such a weird feeling, because I've been reading it every day for 11 months but now it is over.
Girls: Yui > Suzuno > Amane > Mayuri > Sakurako > Kururi
Routes: Yui > Suzuno > Mayuri > Amane > Sakurako > Kururi
None of them are bad though. I loved them all in the end.
I was pissed that you can't win the water gun event or the zombie event. I was really expecting Suzuno's route to let you win.
I don't understand why Suzuno was there. She says she went back in time to save Shou because the explosion sends him to another world, but isn't that caused by her being there? And if in his original time he got exploded into another world, Kururi would never know him, so why would she try to save him later? Either I am missing something or it is just a time travel plot and I'm not supposed to understand.
So, Shou knew Suzuno in the future, but never talked to her about what happened? He just waited until after she went back in time? That guy has some serious patience and self control.
Overall, the ending didn't live up to my expectations, but I don't know if that's because I misunderstood something or because it wasn't explained well. I think I need to replay the very beginning since it has been so long and I don't remember everything. Apparently Suzuno was that fortune teller at the beginning too, so I need to read what she says again.
>I'd rather not
Sorry bub, but if you read manga that's what you have to do. Using OCR - texthooking is impossible - is actually slower than typing yourself. So, it's best to get over yourself and type out the words.
I am going to start Flyable Candyheart soon. After that I was thinking of reading the Tokeijikake no Ley Line series because it is made by mostly the same people as Flyable Heart.
I bought a new hard drive a couple weeks ago, but I was scared to install it because if I screwed up my computer, I wouldn't be able to finish FH in time. Now I can finally install it, probably tomorrow.
So I saw ＃表示不能に付き置換え and thought "what?" and investigated the scans to see what was in the actual book. Instead of 体躯 it was 体軀. I wondered why they couldn't - or didn't - they put that in the .txt version (maybe it's super old and from before shift-JIS became standard) and why the heck did the author use 体軀? These questions ended up being more or less explained on this wiki page:
LOGH sure is a learning experience. Now to decide whether or not to add 軀 to kanjigrid. I wonder if it will even appear on kanji grid.
What does this mean? Is he stuttering and saying a-aitsu yo, or is it a long aaa sound followed by itsu yo, as in "when use"?
Sweet jesus change your anki format if you actually want to learn Japanese
You know not everyone subscribes, likes, follows the twitter account, and adds as a friend on myspace every youtuber they come across.
Some of us know absolutely nothing about these people except for often a single video.
I really don't care about filthy frank either way, but whenever I see things like this almost unanimously being hated on 4chan it really looks suspicious that some faggots here probably know them a lot more intimately than they want anyone to believe.
and then they'll insult someone who knows nothing about them but a single video or something.
It's kind of funny I guess. I can't be the only one who thinks this whenever people hate things on 4chan
Looks pretty okay to me. Certainly nothing outrageously rude. I don't know the context, but I'd venture a guess that the reason he was reprimanded (which I assume he was based on your post) was for trying to say something that went against what his superior said, and not because of the language he used.
>do that shit
>but sir, the preparations are not yet complete
>how dare you defy my orders?
Or something like that.
Doing both at the same time can eliminate that.
Have you heard of Listening-Reading?
A backup of the readers, audio, etc. of the Japanese and English content from that site can be found in the CoR for quick download.
I'm going to take advantage of things like the Harry Potter books/texts which already have full audio prepared, when I can read them at a decent pace to easily be able to keep up with the audio.
Click on deck, study, edit, change format.
I didn't respond earlier 'cuz I kind of glossed over the Japanese. I saw "教えてくれ" and thought it was something about the earlier talk about that. Anywho, the format I use is a pretty standard variation of the Core2k format.
http://pastebin.com/RsjXJqHW will probably work.
What is the significance of The earth character (土) with the lid radical on top of it (亠) seen in characters like 青, 静, and 積. I see it so often that I start to think that its a character that I forget.
Nothing there contradicts what I said. 無礼 doesn't imply the lack of courtesy is specifically in the use of language.
The line in question had no reference in it to the speaker or to Yang, nor to any action practiced by either of them, nor to any object or person closely related to any of them. There was nothing in it which would provoke the need for humble or honorable language. Hence, using simply 丁寧語 like he did was completely appropriate. I'm sure Yang had some good reason to think the guy was being impolite, but I'm confident it's not his use of keigo.
Maybe he was a bit by saying 完成されたわけではありません because of that わけ sort of implying Yang should already know that, thus overstepping his duty to simply report that information to Yang as it is. He could have simply said まだ包囲網が完成されていません. But that's not a matter of keigo and I might be reading too much into it.
I wasn't contradicting you. Just adding more information.
The reason I considered it a language problem was because his superior was speaking to him in a really formal keigo rather than teineigo. Also, this is Yan speaking to his superior, not someone speaking to him.
Really, I don't have any investment in this discussion, I meant politeness levels in general in Japan as expressed through the nuance of language is fearsome, not necessarily literally keigo/teineigo.
It's not written like that but according to jisho they are the radicals 亠 and 土.
Anyway I think he was trying to ask if there was a separate character like the combined radical there, but there doesn't seem to be.
>Also, this is Yan speaking to his superior
Then it's just Yang chastising himself on how he shouldn't be voicing his uncalled for opinions to his superiors.
Also, teineigo is a form of keigo. They're usually divided in 丁寧語, which is just normal politeness (essentially ます/です), and then the more ceremonious 尊敬語 and 謙譲語. Anyway, it's really not half as "fearsome" or full of "nuance" as people sometimes make it out to be.
NEETs aren't successful, that's why we are on 4chan.
You can scrounge up fluency in Japanese but at the end of the day you're still a failure like the rest of us.
Normalfags might take a while to reach a decent level of proficiency but most of us here only have Japanese. These other fags have social security and financial security and will likely use those language skills for economic purposes.
I don't really hold these things as being great things for humanity but the fact is that society does and always has.
How we define ourselves hold no relevancy to the rest of the world and unfortunately language and meaning is enforced by mob rule on a memetic level, not a rational one.
>according to jisho they are the radicals 亠 and 土.
Jisho supposedly uses the kanjivg data for radicals, which if you check the master version, doesn't qualify that top part as anything but some separate strokes. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/KanjiVG/kanjivg/master/kanji/09752.svg
I have no idea where jisho got those radicals from.
Wiktionary is much better for looking up composition anyways, use it as your first resource.
Someone on DJT a while back said this, but I'm not sure how accurate it is
They said that radicals and stroke order aren't really consistent across sources. There is no real system of radicals or strokes, and that's probably why at best they should be used as mnemonics and not taken too seriously.
Well, there is real etymology to components. The problem is so many resources out there make things up on their own, even if they're trying to be accurate.
Wiktionary's han character pages were made by people with real historical analyses on hand, and it shows. They are definitely trustworthy.
Well, moments later his superior gets pissed at him.
I saw this chart on the 敬語 wikipedia which made me doubt myself.
>Anyway, it's really not half as "fearsome" or full of "nuance" as people sometimes make it out to be.
Believing it's hard and complicated will only prevent you from acquiring a good grasp of it. I mean. this small table summarizing the whole concept is supposed to be proof that it's complex? It's like you're intentionally trying to make something simple sound complicated.