Can we have a thread with more:
- Megumi appreciation
- Reasonable and justified dissent
- Discussion of potential future developments
- Possibly imaginary THK fearmongering, for fuck's sake.
Another favorite girls wars. Go on, /a/! Don't disappoint me!
Remember to ignore bait.
I'd love to see how the dynamic between Kato and Aki evolves as they enter university. Hopefully Eriri and Utaha would be less caricaturish and more nuanced in their portrayal too. Trying very hard (and failing) to like them both too.
I just wish this was romance instead of harem, that's what made Toradora so great. Instead, we will see all other girls get developement, not to tell a story, but to please a broader audience; this obviously leads to dissapontment for the public and pain for the girls. I already feel bad for Eriri, she obviously can't win and will only suffer as the story goes on.
The sad part is that Kato's story is a noce one tp tell, but you know they will shot all over it trying to male the show longer. This is the state of the entretaining industry in general, not just anime.
You're talking about the WA2 writer here. Every character gets its fair share of suffering.
Yeah, but suffering in a work of art is justified if it adds to the story, instead the entretaining industry nowadays only makes character suffer to increase the extension of the story, diluting its content.
First, I come to agree to disagree for Toradora. Second, the harem part is just an appetizer. Not a main course (You know what the main course is). This is not Nisekoi, and this was written by WA2 author.
>The sad part is that Kato's story is a noce one tp tell, but you know they will shot all over it trying to male the show longer
This is not a Saenai thread. What you want is a circlejerk and to act as if a real shitposter like tsunhater-kun doesn't exist despite the fact he has been known for 2 years now. He has a whole log in the archive anyone can spend hours going through.
But it is. Eriri will go trough suffering in order for herself to move forward and in the long run, to better herself.
For Katou, its for her and Tomoya to open up and accept each other and learn their mistakes.
Things got worse for Utaha though. Author self-inserting himself as Utaha. And she is now the second Linda.
I am Katou and Utaha fag
as well as cousin fag
Why do you care so much for tripfags, namefags and other scum. The whole point of 4chan is that being anonymous helps discussions not get stuck at a personal level. Instead you are trying to hit a person you can't even see and end up looking like an idiot. Please stop trying to force this shit.
Utaha is my second favorite girl. First is obviously Megumi. Michiru and Izumi are good too.
It's not that I find it acceptable, I simply don't care. Retards should stop making a big deal out of a nickname for a shitposter. You adamantly defending its existence are way worse than the shitposter you stalk so much.
Some random shitposter? Let's pretend he is the infamous shitposter for a second, why would you feel the need to give him attention? Don't you know he feeds on that like the boogeyman feeds on fear? You just hel him get bigger.
You derailed the last thread due to a single post calling you out for using that spacegoat. I'm accusing you of being actually worse than the supposed shitposter you talk about. The threads aren't ruined by haters, but by faggots talking about said hater.
This thread is the first Saenai thread I've been in tonight. But sure, whatever, pretend THK isn't a problem when he is. After the shit he pulled in BD threads, I've come to hate him with every cell in my being.
>leave thread alone after first twenty or so posts
>come back to see nearly 80 posts with less than 30 posters
Top kek. Holy shit, the THK drama never ends. Let's just agree to disagree and keep it at that as his existence can never be ascertained.
In terms of looks, i would have to say Utaha. Still confused as to who that fourth girl was from the special, though.
Though i'm really liking this whole "gaining a personality" angle for Megumi.
>Implying you didn't derail it because of your defensive butt denying cancer
You could had treated THK like a joke as most people do, but nopez you had to keep making an issue out of him.
>Made a circlejerking bait thread and that helps show that Megumifags are obnoxious
>Seriously dismissing THK despite what he has done in Raildex
>Thinks this thread would turn out good
You are clinically retarded.
>says the one trying to prove at all cost that THK exists and is always posting and behind all the hate
>ignores that people were mostly just calling him out on his bullshit
Keep being cancer. People have right to tell you that you're retarded for the lengths you go to perpetuate this.
started watching just recently, what's with Megumi's eyes turning blank? is that her expression when feeling sad or depressed?
>quick doodle, i kinda liked the scene
Remember the good old days? Moot killed 4chan and then ran away, leaving us in a chaos that will never be fixed. Sometimes I just think is time to move on like him, to leave /a/ forever, but it's really difficult, mostly for the memory of the good old days.
At some point I will have to accept that /a/ has died already and this neo /a/ is here to stay.
>Recognize him, but thinks he doesn't exists
>Implying anyone said he was behind all of the hate
You're delusional and slanderous. Stay in denial and be mad whenever people call out THK.
Funny way to say best girl there, pal.
Where are you going, Anon?
>Implying anyone said he was behind all of the hate
That's literally what you try to push. Last thread even a post that didn't have a preference for tsundere got labeled as THK.
Daily reminded that Megumi is best girl.
>if this little brat doesn't shut up about moe
>Sometimes I just think is time to move on like him.
Let's just do it, I suspect most threads these days will just be name calling for an actual boogeyman. This place did become a gaia imageboard years ago.
>Possibly imaginary THK
Have you never been in Index StB, KoreanZombie, OreShura, STnBD, Yahari, or Inou threads before? I can tell you right now that nigger ain't an urban legend or some meme shit.
Agreed, but deito still the best eps for me
>Megumi knows the pleasure of being cummed inside thanks to her cousin
>tripfag has good taste for once
Why can't Lelouch follow suit.
Can't get a decent thread with all of these "traitorous" bullshit and eternal "Kato best girl" circlejerk. One moment of mentioning Utaha and Eriri and everything turn into a shit flinging fest and no decent discussion or even appreciation can be done.
What are you people, fucking 12? No, it's a rhetorical question.
And now there's this faggot.
Tell me more about your fanfic, bro.
But I'm still not ready to let go. I know it's wrong, but its just too difficult, I felt real affection for some Anons in the past, if some of them are still here it would just feel like I'm abandoning them, betrayng them. If I knew, for example, that most of them moved to desuchan or something it would be easier, but it isn't.
Damn, it's been so long here, I still wonder if there ever was something we could do to prevent this board of becoming what it is now. /jp/thought they could, but they weren't very succesfull either.
I just need time, to say goodbye to /a/.
Niku was a shit main girl though. Megumi is the equivalent of Yukimura winning
>Megumi calling him Tomoya kun for real
she has already won
All of these THK boogeyman too. THK is a popular guy who has existed for a while now. It's highly possible that a number of faggots already assumed the role of this guy and mimicking his style of posting to troll around. I think we should stop with the THK calling shit.
And shitposter is one thing but most of the guys who defend it aren't any better. I suspect that even the one defend Eriri or Utaha are sometime actual shitposter faking to create more shitposting.
How can one become /a/ mod?
I blame Maruto for all the "betrayal" shit. He just did it to clear all the possible romantic candidates since Megumi chance of winning is very low when Eriri and Utaha are still around. Also creating tension between Aki and both girls relationship so near future development is not possible, Megumi will use that short period of time when Aki's still in his PTSD state to further her route with Aki.
Because every girls get shit on with no amount of decent discussion for them, while people circlejerk around Megumi on a daily basis. It's only natural that she'll start getting more hate over the time.
The spam is done by a reverse troll. He also spams "fuck off" everytime. I thought we had made that clear already.
And still, starting shit because you can't stand a fanbase is just as bad, if not worse.
Senafags are worse. In particular, the Senafag who keeps making that one daily forced Sena thread about what she is looking at. I've seen his thread go over 200 without barely 30 IPs before, and it was nothing but image dumps mostly from OP, with a few other fans fawning over her.
>Because every girls get shit on with no amount of decent discussion for them, while people circlejerk around Megumi on a daily basis. It's only natural that she'll start getting more hate over the time.
Again, that just reeks of jealousy and antagonism because she's the most popular.
>a number of faggots already assumed the role of this guy and mimicking his style of posting to troll around
Is it not fine to still consider whoever imitates him as "THK"? The intention to wear his mask makes one think whoever wants to keep at what THK did/does.
Those times were back then, but I haven't seen any of that for a while now. In fact, she wasn't even the main target of hate, it was Eriri. Mostly due to how her fans couldn't accept that she did wrong.
with this being an adaption of a light novel, does anyone else feel like discussion of any possible future developments of the story to be unneeded, and instead analyzing the characters would seem more beneficial?
It makes it look like the blame lie on a single person, not a group of shitposter. But well, to be honest, THK is just a buzzword used for name calling now. If they can't use THK then they'll probably use "Megumifag" or something else, like back to "retard", "autist" or "cuck" for example.
Goddamn, I hate that word. I guess at the first place, I asked people to stop using THK name is just because I hate overused word that has no real meaning in its usage.
Neither Eriri and Utaha "betrayed" Tomoya, so when you get down to it, they really didn't do wrong. Someone can dislike what they did even if they had their reasons, but it's unreasonable to fault them for something like backstabbing.
Unfortunately, the relentless waifu shit-flinging, circlejerking and debate over the very existence of a shitposter (as opposed to any real shitposting) seems to be more alluring to most in this thread. That said, I'm starting to think Saekano doesn't work as a harem. Perhaps the second set of novels will take a different direction, whether with adopting the Katou route or otherwise.
Not contributing to the circlejerk, but all evidence and spoilers seem to point towards more and even closer interaction between Katou and Aki in the wake of the dissolution of their circle.
>a group of shitposter.
There was a THK thread a few weeks ago. A lot of people know that THK have people copying him. The whole if the shoe fit deal is why people don't care if it's him or someone copying him. "THK" is basically said to ridicule him or whoever acts like him nowadays.
I wish it would take Katou route during the second half. But of course, Maruto's gigantic ego wouldn't allow it.
What are you talking about? I dunno about how other people use it, but when I do, it's to ridicule "THK" because he's a broken record beating a dead horse, one whom people are tired of and don't want to bother even trying to argue or reason with due to deep-seated hatred that runs beyond deep.
The title and the latest development are huge indicators that it might possibly happen. Maruto likes to fuck with the readers, but I feel like he will go steady in this part. Of course, that doesn't mean that I'm not wary of the fact anything can happen.
People like Utaha. Her fans don't tend to be active in these threads, and many also have her as second favorite.
Can't deny that. I was in conflict between Utaha and Megumi. But the latest ep, Megumi completely reeled me in her.
Utaha still my second best though. And can't wait for next week.
Remember to give Megumi plenty of love.
I decided to check this out because /a/ seems to think its not just another dull harem. But as far as I can tell, except when Katou is on screen, its exactly that. And the MC is insufferable in a way that makes Ichika or (insert harem lead here) seem pleasant and charming by comparison.
Ichika is just a stock character. He's not inherently interesting, but at least he isn't annoying. It's like the difference between an bland food and food that tastes like shit - the bland food obviously isn't delicious, but I'd much rather eat it than the shit-tasting food.
>lined and colored up
forgot the spoiler
heh, just after i posted
Protip: recurring anonymous shitposters get labels so that their spam gets dismissed and newfags can learn to ignore them. Anyone who thinks otherwise is the shitposter himself.
Nope. Shitposters exists for pretty much every archetype out there. I don't see yanderefags going OMG it's YHK, or haremfags painting as HHK to the people who hate harem.
Not to mention that in these threads the shitposters are those who spend half of a thread defending the existence of the shitposter and not the shitposters themselves.
Tomoya is almost one of us minus the lack of hiding one's powerlevel. How the fuck can you fags hate him? He's amusing and entertaining. Also, Ichika is shit compared to Tomoya, so please don't even go there.
Why can't there be more Ayumus in harems? Either the MC is bland as hell or is an annoying caricature like in this one. Why can't they make a harem where the lead has an actual character with more than one facet to his personality?
Anon said "recurring", not random and unorganized and spread out shitposters shitposting. That's important. THK is more than recurring of course, he sticks out like a sore thumb. After long periods of sticking out among his peers, he became recognizable and was given a nickname.
Did you noticed how those two are Megumifags? Yeah, that would explain it. Tomoya thinks their girl is boring and doesn't like her instead of the ideal girl he has in his mind.
Of course I hate him. How many scenes are there of him shouting in public and making an ass of himself. Even Katou says he's one of the three most well-known people in the class because of his antics.
And he's always shouting. Keima from TWGOK is a similar character (sort of ), but he doesn't come off this way because that side only comes out sparingly, and when he says something, it's something interesting and SPECIFIC, rather than a bunch of vague nonsense about the greatness of 2D. Aki is like the kids in my Freshman Comp. class who don't know how to write a thesis statement and never backs up their arguments with examples.
What should I be seeing? I know for sure THK was in the other thread and he went on a short roll once Eririfags became too supportive for their girl. Among his posts were his signs of anti-tsun, as usual, and people called him out on it.
I'm not a Megumifag. That would imply, I want her to win or I feel some sort of waifu-attraction toward her. I don't. I don't want her to win because Tomoya is an annoying character that no one should have to endure being around, and I don't find her interesting as a waifu, well, just because I don't I suppose, but I still think she's a more interesting character than the cardboard cutout Kuudere, Tsundere, and Genki other girls (though the genki one, only provisionally, because she was only in one episode - she might not be completely boring, though I doubt it).
That THK is only used as way to discredit any post you don't like. Like that post that was just talking about the preference of a Kouhai type over a tsundere and still got called THK anyways.
What's sad is your pathetic tunnelvision. Nobody is defending it. It's called having common sense.
>more interesting character
Wat, really? Eriri and Utaha are far more interesting. Being tsundere or kuudere or whatever doesn't matter as a character. Personality is what makes a character interesting, and those two are full of it as they are colorful and much more entertaining in their interactions with the MC.
> Personality is what makes a character interesting, and those two are full of it as they are colorful and much more entertaining in their interactions with the MC.
If you find them entertaining, more power to you. But they're both stock characters - they're not interesting, they've been done before and there's not even any attempt to play with tropes they embody, they are played 100% straight just like in Nisekoi. Oh, and just because they say things like "What a tsundere response!" doesn't change the fact that the character is just a generic tsundere in love with a guy she can't confess to because reasons. It's like this stupid game - just because you wink at the camera when you do the same old shit doesn't mean you're not actually doing the same old tired ass shit.
He's 2D, exaggerated behavior and/or shenanigans that would be annoying in 3D normally are likable or cute in 2D. Chuuni would be a prime example of this.
Though obsessive and frantic, Tomoya is very passionate. His is the kind that one admires than find annoying.
I'll consider it
This is exactly the sort of characterization that makes the Aki a terrible character. He's there with a cute girl. There are two other girls after his dick - his only excuse is that he's given himself up to 2D, but if that were the case, why is he bothered by this?
Now that I think about it, she would play a good onee-chan character.
No, that's not the case. Keima is very passionate too, and about the same shit. But he actually balances that out by being a character with complex motivations and priorities.
For him, its obviously not a joke. Its a point of characterization. He rejects the real, but at the same time is resents it for rejecting him...except, it doesn't reject him, and he's got two of the most popular girls in the school after his dick. Nor is it like he gets bullied - that random guy just approaches him and starts chatting him up - that sort of shit never happened to me.
Keima has different appeal to Tomoya. They're not meant to be the same anyways. And Tomoya have his motivations and priorities, and it's stronger than Keima's was in the early start of the story.
What? Do you have autism or something? Are you sure you are not thinking to deep for this?
Also Tomoya didn't make a circle to get a harem, he want to create a game. It was his dream.
This is exactly what I mean. Even shows/games like Grisaia or Majikoi manage to fiddle around with the tropes they use. But the only instance here of either of the non-Katou leads doing anything interesting is Utaha losing her mind writing a scene and chowing on Pocky - and even that is a pretty common instance of gap moe (kuudere bypasses normal expression altogether and goes straight to nuts)
>why is he bothered by this?
He has not truly turned to the 2D side.
C'mon, we've all seen how weak-willed he is. And he is a FAGGOT, though and through.
It isn't common. She has her charm, but to say state she's more interesting as a character isn't something you see get thrown around often.
You sound narrow-minded and shortsighted if you think being molded after an archetypes automatically means the character can't be interesting just because they have been done before. Megumi herself isn't even original, she's composed of traits taken from other archetypes, with normal/plain behind her prominent feature.
You have the same problem as the anon above. By your logic, someone who with dry as paint personality could be more interesting if that person wasn't about " appearances or tropes."
>It isn't common. She has her charm, but to say state she's more interesting as a character isn't something you see get thrown around often.
I don't think you've been in these threads long enough. Plenty of people, even some novelfags have claimed that she's the most interesting.
>Taking this seriously
>Using Commie''s subs
Hold your autism and get non-shit subs.
How am I projecting? Wouldn't that be if I was saying he was annoying because I was in fact an outspoken pest in high school? Because I'll tell you, I wasn't.
I'm pointing out an inconsistency in characterization. If he didn't care about 3D, why would he be upset?
Also, the circle is irrelevant - he has the harem even without it. Pic related.
If you actually wanted to make this show interesting - you might have it all out in the open that these are after his dick, and he is actively resisting because of 2D. That would actually be something different. As it stands, he's just another obvious lead - which would be fine, but in addition to being oblivious, he's annoying rather than bland.
>you might have it all out in the open that these are after his dick, and he is actively resisting because of 2D
That's pretty much what they're doing. They outright try to rape him in episode 00.
>You sound narrow-minded and shortsighted if you think being molded after an archetypes automatically means the character can't be interesting just because they have been done before
I didn't say that they CAN'T be, but they ARE NOT being done in an interesting way here. Because they are just carbon copies of the trope - the way you actually make a stock character interesting or likeable is by tweaking them a bit, which has not been done here at all.
Also, Katou doesn't have a dry personality. She actually says what she's thinking straightforwardly. She makes rejoinders you haven't heard before. Her responses leave you guessing about how she will react. Whereas you can see the response of the other two from a mile away.
>You have the same problem as the anon above. By your logic, someone who with dry as paint personality could be more interesting if that person wasn't about " appearances or tropes."
But that's obviously not the case with her. She isn't featureless. She just isn't exaggerated. She's subtle. She doesn't expose her character and personality completely. You just see hints and bits of her character scattered in different situations. That in my opinion makes her a more interesting character to follow, as you want to learn more about her and figure her out.
>He just did it to clear all the possible romantic candidates since Megumi chance of winning is very low when Eriri and Utaha are still around
I am against Megumi having romantic feelings for Tomoya but how can you be so sure about it?
>He pretty much has turned to 2D or else he would have already banged either Eriri or Utaha already.
Anon's post has proven beyond any possible doubt that he has not fully turned. He is too spineless.
I'd rather have YotsubaC, Sheldon and Pork Wringer come back than the useless debate about whether THK even exists or not.
>ignore if you think he does
>carry on if he is a boogeyman in your eyes
The main source of polarization between Megumifags and the rest is differing responses to the personality of each character. I would love Utaha and Eriri if they were not both classic archetypes played straight. As things are, the second half of the LN series presents the perfect opportunity to introduce more nuance to the characterization of both girls and Aki. Gotta agree with the /a/non above that it would much better if Aki had as nuanced a character as Keima.
>I'm pointing out an inconsistency in characterization. If he didn't care about 3D, why would he be upset?
It seems you indeed have autism. Like i said, it is just the usual joke that every otaku character usually have. Nothing more than that.
>he has the harem even without it. Pic related.
Why you suddenly change the subject? Which one do you want to talk about, character or the whole story? If you didn't like how it's turned out you can say you don't like it and leave the thread, don't need to brag about it.
I think you're confusing more popular for most interesting.
Read what you typed. You essentially said they aren't because they are stock characters.
Eriri and Utaha are true to their archetype, but they are more atypical than most other tsundere and kuudere respectively because they are characters within their story who have meta anime/manga/LN/galgame knowledge about otaku culture and their terms, to moe, deres, and so forth. Take Eriri's case, she is aware of tsundere and acts like she isn't and holds onto that expecting Tomoya and those around her to see that she isn't. But she is to us viewers because we are also aware of tsundere and can see through it. There's more to her than a tsundere too, since she's an otaku and a creator. Those parts of her expand her character and give her more aspects to be interesting
>makes rejoinders you haven't heard before. Her responses leave you guessing about how she will react.
Not really. I always expect the same response from her, and I get what I expected. She's almost really like a mixed between Rei and Ruri, only less emotionless and less baka-baka, and more indifference. Since she's indifferent and plain, there's no energy or gap moe to her.
She is very vanilla, that's close to having no character. That's even one of the criticism she gets within the series. I already spoiled myself from the blog with the summaries, and from what I see, Megumi barely changes and doesn't do anything that makes me go "wow" or anything. She isn't hard to figure at all, she even stays relatively the same throughout the story.
>why is he bothered by this?
He has yet to realize that he is as 'normal' as others. And he did fall in love with Katou and 'technically' went on a date with her. It just that he is a big faggot and too cooped up mind in 2D. Thats also why he tried to make-over Katou's character to fit on his taste. To make a game which was based on her make-over character?
I gave up, this is too fucked up. I don't know what MC is thinking.
>there's no energy or gap moe to her.
This episode proved that the gap is there. Why do you think Tomoya suddenly left her in the mall? Because he found the gap that never showed itself before.
>Eriri and Utaha are true to their archetype, but they are more atypical than most other tsundere and kuudere respectively because they are characters within their story who have meta anime/manga/LN/galgame knowledge about otaku culture and their terms, to moe, deres, and so forth
As I said, if you wink at the camera because you're doing something that's been done before, that doesn't change the fact that you're doing something that's been done before.
Also, even when they're talking about otaku shit, their relation to Aki always forms the subtext. They never talk about it for its own sake, its just window dressing for the harem bullshit.
>She is very vanilla, that's close to having no character.
That's just your personal view of her. I could say the same about Eriri and Utaha being just cardboard cutouts of their archetypes. She certainly has more character than her appearance lets on.
>That's even one of the criticism she gets within the series.
It's not something that you should take at face value, since it is the point of view of another character.
>already spoiled myself from the blog with the summaries, and from what I see, Megumi barely changes and doesn't do anything that makes me go "wow" or anything
You really shouldn't talk if you just read a summary.
>She isn't hard to figure at all
Oh wow. The author, illustrator and editor disagree with you on that one. Novelfags love her for being a hard-to-grasp girl. Even the guy giving the summaries agrees to it.
He found the perfection he was looking for and abandoned it.
I guess inspiration goes away quickly.
>but to say state she's more interesting as a character isn't something you see get thrown around often.
It started to become a fairly common general opinion after episode 2...
Why do Utaha and Eriri, who are pro and semi pro artists, deem Aki's dumb project worthwhile? He's a moron and the chances of a game made by high schoolers with no backing succeeding must be extremely low.
>Oh wow. The author, illustrator and editor disagree with you on that one.
>hard to figure
Maybe if you're shut in NEET or underage.
I NEED MORE PICTURES OF MEGUMI KATO STAT, PARKER.
>Because they want to support the man they love in his quixotic pursuit of VN excellence.
I think they state it in different ways for both of them, but it can summed up. He supported them emotionally --and in Utaha's case financially-- to promote their aspirations. In a way, this is them returning the favor. Could you blame them for having juvenile admiration for him and wanting to support something that --even they thought-- is stupid of his.
>He found the perfection he was looking for and abandoned it.
>I guess inspiration goes away quickly.
He is an Otaku. He does not know what he wants until someone shows it to him. She shows him something that his core wants (appealing to every /a/non include), but believes does not exist in any form.
I would also note that she has been manipulating him since the very beginning, but no one ever talks about that part (shitposts included). Everyone here just talks about who is best girl when the more interesting topic is how each one is manipulating him, and who is the best at it.
My two cents is that Megumi is the best at manipulating him, which might be a subject for debate later on. She will probably win if he does not catch on.
And another side note: I wonder what the hell got Megumi interested in our Otaku MC. He must of left an impression, because in the last episode she certainly looked like she found it again.
>You are reading into it too much.
Possibly, but the scene at the end of the episode prior and the after credits make me inclined to think otherwise.
Just humor me on this: Watch it all again, but look at it from the stand point that she is chasing him. Trust me, those subtle mannerisms of hers will make it apparent enough.
That would make an intriguing twist. Perhaps Kato wants to turn him on the path of normalfaggotry, getting him around the notion that there is more to life than caricatured 2D characters.