TPP Negotiation: Japan and EUA agree the copyright violation will not be
"offense subject to prosecution only on complaint (from the victim)."
1. Japan is actually "Jail when victim complain copyright violation."
Obviously, getting yen or not, doujins and fanfictions/fan ilustrations works that way.
2.Japan have no fair-use. There are even a judicial decision what denies the fair-use.
ラストメッセージ in 最終号事件.
It's an decision about the book what makes an collection of "last messages on the last publications".
Authors got guilty.
3. Japan have "Complaint mania", "indictment mania". People what makes complaint/indictment for fun and lulz.
They just makes complaint/indictment anything to police like shoting 5 miniguns at same time.
I'm actually seeing tons of japaneses pissed on 2ch right now.
When it become "no need of victim's complain", what happens:
1. Police goes full "Jeff, start the van. We got work to do." by Complaint mania or by thenselves.
2. Asshole mangaka and asshole lawer: "we are getting more money sueing anything than drawing a manga!"
3. Just immagine the America without fair-use.
I don't need to imagine the US.
In my country anybody can sue, not just the victims. Certain lawyers have specialized on this kind of thing and make a lot of money on copyright infringement.
Doujin is kill
Prepare for the manga industry to be the same repetitive unending bullshit ala Marvel/DC crap.
White people ruin everything again, why can't china attack japan yet? At least they'll be xenophobic and nationalistic again, and would tell the us to fuck off.
At least there are some effort to maintain the actual state.
They have originality. But don't expect people interacting.
They would need more social skills than drawing skills for it.
Frazetta is talentless, yeah. You're right.
Drawer getting money or not, the doujin and amateur fan illustrations is incubator for new mangakas and ilustrators.
This shit affects even who draws without getting money since JAPAN HAS NO FAIR USE.
Those who are drawing not for money are drawing for interations.
They need something draw and interact, and obviously like it.
When you are drawing original only, you are almost alone with your own work.
When you draw copyrighted characters, you can meet tons of drawers and have fun with then.
Because anime is considered "not original" because
1: "cuteness over 'unique at any cost' design" 2:"Lack of photorrealism".
It's always the same times of day that it happens, too. It's probably just a few of our resident shitposters trying a new angle now that everyone got tired of responding to NTR and cuck threads.
//po// is never right. They make origami, for fuck's sake.
Doujin artists are always picked up by the actual anime/manga/game industries. Doujin artists hone their skills to a professional caliber all the time. A lot of doujins are far better made than many manga.
>exclamations on greentext
Well Abe is pretty fucking serious about the TPP, and since this is a multi-national treaty instead of localized populist bullshit like the Tokyo Youth Ordinance, I'd say the Japanese gov would be pressured to implement TPP if they do sign it.
Surprisingly our only hope lies with the fact that most old japanese farmer hate the TPP, and they got pretty strong lobby with LDP.
Japan has never had fair use laws. The doujin scene exists because no IP holders want to commit the PR suicide and sue the people that are actively marketing their work. The doujin culture is their market, so they generally just look the other way as they produce parodies and whatnot, because it effectively sells their franchise for them. It's not codified in positive law, it's just a sort of unspoken agreement.
The new law allows someone who is not the IP holder, and not affiliated with the IP holder to charge someone for breaching copyright law. SO now, even if the IP holder looks the other way because they encourage the doujin community, some jew can come along and sue the doujin circle, harming both the doujin scene and the IP holder at the same time and make a sweet profit off of the inevitable settlement.
It's essentially legislation aimed deliberately at killing off the otaku market.
Who the hell think this is a good idea?!
Comiket will be destroyed and manga publisher companie will suffer of it
God listen your words, son.
There are no fair use from the beguinning.
The fair use itself was no needed since copyright infringiment was and still is "offense subject to prosecution only on complaint (from the victim)."
Being connivance is good for companies what don't want to say "OK for fan-things" but don't want to make the fans pissed but it forces the compannies to make rules for fan-productions.
Well Abe want it, part of his third arrow reform.
Guess we are lucky the Yakuza/Nuclear Village/and other entrenched local Zaibatsu are preventing that.
May Japan stay corrupt and xenophobic.
A doujin is anything that is not under a publishing label. It does not need to have a source material.
All of TM's biggest works were originally doujins.
The way this law works is that the accused will be the one responsible to prove his innocence, so you can get faggots trying to bag you on some vague suspicions of IP violation.
The way this works, if I'm not mistaken, is if someone registers an IP or property, they are the sole owner of that IP even if they're not the original creator.
Mind you, I'm probably wrong but that's what I picked up.
Either way, it only benefits the mega-corps and not many of the smaller groups who rely on stuff like doujins and fanworks to keep things fresh in the minds of fans.
Bless our average Eleven fisherman, farmer and yakuza. May they live for 100 years with the power of raw fish.
>Who the hell think this is a good idea?!
The government that wants to both destroy the otaku subculture because "muh youth are living their lives incorrectly" and the entirety of japan's non-live action multimedia industry because "we don't understand why people like this, so it's wrong".
The government thinks that killing off this huge multimedia industry will be good for the economy because they don't understand how economy works and have never been able to generate effective economic policy.
Japanese politics are comical. They're a country that's gotten by based largely on massive economic support and trade favouritism by the US and the rest of NATO, and because massive amounts of capital were simply flowing into their country, the government itself has never had any real responsibility to do anything. That bubble burst in the 90's and ever since they've been floundering, unable to let go of the old habit of just doing whatever the fuck they pleased and getting away with it because they were irrelevant to the economy of their own nation.
Japan is the coddled child that is now middle-aged and still doesn't know how to do their own laundry.
>The way this works, if I'm not mistaken, is if someone registers an IP or property, they are the sole owner of that IP even if they're not the original creator.
Not the point.
If that was how it worked you would still be the victim and not a random bystander.
Higurashi and type moon are good examples.
But after this one we will need more Zuns for many gernes.
I mean, if companies don't makes clear rules for fan creations,
eastearn fantasy's touhou only is not enough to get all the otakus.
We will need western fantasy genre's"touhou", science fiction genre's "touhou", robot genre's "touhou"
Higurashi and type moon was "touhou" in it's own genre but since they get published under a label, they stopped being "touhou".
>Higurashi and type moon was "touhou" in it's own genre but since they get published under a label, they stopped being "touhou".
The only reason why Touhou never went under a label is because zun likes his freedom and he's a lazy drunk. He dodged a fucking cannon ball by not monetizing on touhou to the best of his ability.
Right on then, I'll take active action starting with this reply. I'll shitpost like never before. FEAR ME JAPAN!
TPP is an international agreement being pushed super hard by Europe and North America. Japan is falling into line because they can't afford to go against the word of their big white Onii-sama
It's essentially economic imperialism. 'Treaties' like this are a way that the dominant economies of the world impose political policies on weaker economies that depend on favouritism. The reality is that America has more authority over japanese democracy than its own voting citizens.
Because the politicians they allied themselves with want to see pixiv burn, that's why.
One thing you need to understand about feminists and all other SJW subgroups is that they will rarely ever agree on all points of anything. Because they are desperate to gain more support to their individual core causes they tend to band up with people with similar motives, but completely different core causes and thus their morals and ideas may clash. However most of the time they end up supporting bullshit they don't particularly care for, or even know much about in the first place.
Big corps are behind feminism 100%, anon.
Plus for the most part the label is a corporate one that gullible tools rally behind. What sane marketing firm wouldn't want to make anything come across as moral-highground, designate a space where criticism of any kind is politically incorrect, and hypnotize bored youth on the internet into doing their advertising for them.
It's probably the best marketing tool of the 21st century, which is no doubt distressing to the radical core of the movement who plant their roots firmly in marxist soil.
>big white Onii-sama
I read that as big white Obama. Had a chuckle.
fanart being illegal have nothing with feminism.
It's illegal because copyright infringiment.
But since copyright infringiment is "offense subject to prosecution only on complaint (from the victim)", there are no problem... yet.
Yes, the irony being that defending the IP on Kadokawa's behalf will kill the game and the franchise in general with absolute certainty.
So much of the industry owes its marketability to the activity of doujin culture. Take that out and exposure dries up
Já me disseram antes que meu inglês parece de japonês. Isso porque esqueci completamente o portugues uma vez e aprendi japonês. Isto ao mesmo tempo.
Boatsluts allows doujins but forbid fan games with the board sluts.
They just need to make a clear guiddance of what's ok or not.
Despite "making clear rules to use the boatslut" would bring problems to copyright holders.
>How big are chinese cartoons in Japan's GDP ?
2007: The animation industry in Japan is undergoing impressive growth. Its share in GDP has exceeded 10 percent. No wonder TIME Magazine says Japan is now becoming a big exporter of culture. We take a look at how Japan's animation industry has developed.
If I'm reading this correctly, it doesn't even require a third-party complaint. The Japanese government could just unilaterally decide to prosecute. So it won't even be a matter of media corps protecting their content, but rather it would be a sword used by the government to cut down anything it sees as undesirable.So even if a corp could benefit from fan works, the government could use the new rules anyways.
I don't get this. Why the fuck would I get money for suing somebody who ripped off somebody else? What's the justification for this? What is this money compensating for? Am I being paid for being a good goy and denouncing the evil of plagiarism?
>So even if a corp could benefit from fan works, the government could use the new rules anyways.
Well they could take a PR-Hit and allow Fanworks to prevent the Goverment from doing that.
When you consider that the animation industry itself is just a smaller appendage of a much larger print industry that services manga, LN's, drama CD's, music and physical merchandise, and that all of these are interwoven , co-dependent and related, it's a pretty damn impressive share of the nation's economy.
And then the government would hamstring this source of income in their already ailing and struggling economic situation because 'muh morals'.
That's so in-character.
>Lots of far superior original books in need of a scan
>Fools from pekingduckburg and sushisland, some even from burgerstan upload tons of doujin instead
Make me happy, tabula rasa this fucking shit. Then, I need one last DMCA from mujin comics and I'm all set, I'll literally throw a party.
Ah, and the doujin market is overrated. The one you think that drives the industry is all non-h and homo. The h/et one, let alone the h one that usually gets uploaded to sadpanda, amounts to fuck-all. People don't buy Amagi dvd because of gook porn, you're fucking delusional.
It's like when you find a purse and you bring it to its original owner and they pay you 10%.
In Germany they tried to limit how much you can earn that way to 170 euro per case, but the lawyers got around that by claiming that their personal wage is at some 700 euro which also needs to be paid - by the wrong-doer.
The problem is that as written they can say they allow fanworks, but the government can say "nope" and go ahead with prosecutions. There would have to be a specific licensed permission in order to avoid that.
Yes and no. The government is a third party in one sense, but not really because it is also the controller of the judicial process.
>Its share in GDP has exceeded 10 percent.
Don't you mean it has increased by 10% or something?
Any potential loss of money is undesirable for these people. Maximizing the profit is where it's at. Also, what's easier? Going after armed robbers or busting some poor junkie and his friends?
It works the same way. Copyright is easy money.
>The problem is that as written they can say they allow fanworks, but the government can say "nope" and go ahead with prosecutions. There would have to be a specific licensed permission in order to avoid that.
No. They can give out a blanket License. Case closed. Could even be structured in the Way "everyone gets one, but the author reserves the Right to revoke the license if a list of rules is violated".
This way the Prosecutor would have to ask the Author, if it really is Copyright infringement.
(This will not happen. This Rulechange is just a way to fuck over Authors.)
Japan's economy has been circling the shitter for a while. They retain their spot as #3 largest in the world mainly because they continue their long history of reporting statistics dishonestly.
This rule will never get passed. Even if they have lot of Fascist in Diet, the media, neutralist, and isolationist will definitely prevent this law from being passed. And Abe wouldn't last that long anyway. He lost lot of support thanks to ridiculous tax he implemented
>no more doujins
>no more fanart
>ORIGINALITY WILL WIN THE HEARTS OF EVERYONE
Either the industry will crash and burn much faster than it already is or we'll get much more chinese knockoffs of palette swaps.
The whistleblower is entitled to part of the payout, as compensation for being a good samaritan, and to help cover the legal fees involved, since they are footing the bill in place of the IP holder.
Only, they aren't actually good samaritans because they're only blowing the whistle so that they can turn a profit off of somebody else's work.
This is one of those cases of the positive law and full law being in contradiction and the conservative legal system failing to evaluate itself objectively.
Legal is what the people in charge say is legal. Doesn't mean it has to make any sense at all.
I'd say a third party can come along because it allows the actual copyright holder to not deal with. It's like letting other people do you dirty laundry.
New generation chinks are ironically some of the biggest weeaboos out there. If the japanese animation industry ever burns you can bet your ass some chinks like Danny Choo will grab the opportunity to make it a chink industry.
>new artists cease to exist since no one just can start just selling manga from point 0
>manga industry becomes the same artists over and over again
so instead of capeshit what are we gonna get? endless harems?
So long as they just send in their Chinese bucks, don't try to change the shape of the market too much and keep the propaganda at bearable levels I'd welcome our new chink overlords.
DMM is a magical place that takes all your money and has you begging for more.
Aren't you on the wrong board, nigger?
Manga that start out interesting then quickly become stale as the mangaka desperately wants his thing to be the next 700+ chapter series and rake in cash and goes safe mode instead of the imagination he showed during the first 10 chapters. It'll get axed in chapter 30 and a new guy will replace him.
This seems like it will be a major problem for Japanese pirates, but international piracy is, as always, impossible to stop.
The absolute worst case scenario: BDs might take slightly longer to get.
So is this law one of those wild proposals that are merely in the pipeline that the press uses for clicks?
Is it actually in effect right now? Have people been jailed yet under it?
If it isn't in effect, how likely is it that the law will be agreed upon, pushed through the government and made into a law?
>release 2-3 new cards with 1-2 cg each weekly update
>make neets or whales gachaspam for that 2% drop for 500 yen a pop
>add in traditional aspects like paying makes the game go much much faster
>multiply this by at least 20 games
DMM is rolling in cash.
20? You mean the top twenty, surely. I had to cut out Taimanin Asagi arena because each update was costing me over 10k yen. That was without the gachas. Fuck the gachas. But on the flip side I've got a lot of really, really rare porn with voice acting like virgin Oboro, or Kiryuu's sister getting tentacled.
Not without the generous help of the lovely Jew. Don't worry, he'll also come with many more helpful friends like America, defender of freedom and children of all types and dimensions.
i just want to say that groups who add this page can get fucked
thanks for having a hand in getting the shecklords to notice
If any of their games have a ranking system, there's no doubt there will be a few whales whaling it out for that 1st place for new cards.
And don't forget, mobile and PC DMM have different games, not to mention there are some different ones between DMM and R18 DMM (though some DMM games can go R18 and vice versa) and there are a fleet of whales for everything.
Not so much whales, as much as outright bots.
You can be certain that half an hour into an event some faggot will throne at the top of the rankings with more than you can get in your entire run.
It's not physically possible. And then you have the idiots with several maxed out legendary rares and ultra rare cards. With all the thousands I've spent on those damn things I've never gotten a single top tier rare drop via a normal gacha, much less ticket drops. It's a fucking scam.
I have a thought, but it begs the question about the anime/manga industry actually caring about doujin culture and not just being ambivalent towards it. They could literally just license it out to doujin artists under some sort of fair use policy (no royalties for sales under ¥xxxx, original authors need to be credited. Things like that). A doujin artist could just go to the copyright holder's website, fill out a quick form and then they're a license holder and impervious to infringement lawsuits.
The Tokyo 2020 Olympics will be the end of the anime manga era. As the western world is once again introduced to Japan they will force their SJW beliefs and culture on them and the Nips will fall because with their declining birthrate they will have to depend on foreigners to keep their economy alive. 2020 apocalypse confirmed
It's not always botting, most of the games with point rankings will have both
1. People spamming money to quickly refresh "stamina" and go on continuous runs for more points
2. Special cards, usually very high rares, that have x10 point rate that you can get from gacha with a low rate during that time that has durations ranging from a week to even a month.
But yeah its a brilliant way to scam money out of people every week with new cards, new rankings, new updates. Maybe there are a few bots that are in high rankings, but I'm pretty sure most of them are just people shelling out cash.
You know, if you actually want to do something about this, you could lobby your elected officials in Congress and let them know you don't want them to give Obama fast-track authority for the TPP. Of course, you'd have to use a different reason, like any of the complaints commonly voiced about the draft treaty and drafting process, but I can help brainstorm after I get off work and explain a few things about the treaty-making and US political processes after I get off work in several hours.
Not if SJWs fall before that. Due to the whole gamergate scandal they've been losing moderate members left and right.
Fuck, as it stands now gamergate is composed of more reformed SJWs than channers. Every time one of those retards says anything stupid, GG is there to parrot,make fun of and spread their bullshit like pic related. It is to the point that SJW is becoming a household term. As long as this continues, we have a chance of beating them.
Eff has already set up pages for this:
Handwritten letters could demonstrate more effort and thus that you actually care, but emails arrive faster and get faster replies, and Congresscritters have staff to look over and read all that stuff, especially Senators. An upside of snail mail is that there's a bonus to attention when you're inundated by a flood of letters about the same thing, especially ifssaid letters seem to be uniquely written.
Even if you didn't vote for them, you're still their constituent and they're supposed to represent your interests. Also, keep in mind that this is an issue that does not divide neatly along party lines. There is both support and opposition from the right and the left.
>Probably not that one, but yes, they certainly do.
I walked into that one. Fuck, I'm stupid.
Anyway, the point is that voting is anonymous. They have no way of figuring out who voted for what.
When internet voting becomes the norm, it will be possible to get your voting results for big corporations, but a politician still won't get their hands on them.
"we" as in everyone not a lunatic white knight, or a manipulative tumblrina.
These are the people who want to do away with due process in justice courts, cry rape at everything, call waifus sexist, are trying to steal the visual novel brand to promote pseudo-intellectual garbage used in brainwashing, seriously post under hashtags such as #killallmen and cry about not getting equal pay when they don't even work full time.
For everything WE hold dear, these people must be dealt with.
Interestingly Internet media rights and Internet freedom are one of the few issues where it's been shown that enough people care passionately enough to rebuff corporate interests, at least temporarily.
That part of what this is. They couldn't get a bill through so their trying to backdoor some provisions by putting them into trade agreements. Plus they're seeking fast track authority so it doesn't come under legislative scrutiny and debate and have the time and opportunity for the public to get pissed off.
People who try to make bills about the internet don't even use the internet.
They're getting smarter and just hiring more people that are tech-savvy and legal friendly to fight for them before they get "hacked"
>Japan doesn't give a fuck about anything outside its own island
Japan is intensely influenced by western culture.
We are consuming some of the most conservative media. Anime is aimed at people who are shutting out the outside world. You think those are the kind of people who would want new traditions to penetrate their little worlds?
They can't even say goodbye to sailor uniforms.
It would be far better to write something original, using that as a base if you need to, considering that it would make your email stand out amid a sea of identical messages with different signatures.
>SJW are already despised on /a/, there's no need for that.
There's the problem, /a/ is losing ground to SJWs. You probably haven't noticed this, but any and all opposition to SJWs is met with ridicule these days in the form of stale fedora-jokes, or /pol/ boogeyman conspiracy theorist accusations. These fuckers are a genuine threat and people think they're friends.
>China attacking America economically when?
Fixed. Considering the fall of America will happen during our lifetime might as well use this TPP as the perfect excuse to make it happen while we're young and all.
>2.Japan have no fair-use.
Like many countries. Even in Europe there's no real fair use, there's a set of acceptable use rules of thumbs that exists but nothing as open as in the USA
I don't think there's a lot of people who agree with that shit, but there are definitely a few who just brush it off immediately as /v/ shit every time they see anything mildly resembling anti sjw shit.
I just want normalfags to fuck off, and all SJW are normalfags.
No faggot, we do not need YOU.
On second thought, we need you to stop being a keyboard warrior, go to a live debate, be raped in front of a crowd and be used as entertainment fuel for a month or two.
completely unrelated, but there's only 171,111 users on 4chan as a whole right now
How many of those do you think are on /a/? I guess it also shows how many underage shitheads use this site.
Not entirely, gawker is known to use moles to infiltrate and adapt to various internet communities. One as big as 4chan is no exception, in fact we're a main target. Only the predominantly male/masculine boards of 4chan haven't been taken so far. /r9k/ in particular went from being "so ronery" to downright fucking marxists.
/fit/ gets by because /fit/ is hard gay and hates women, specially women who lift because they suck at it and demand attention for their shitty lifts.
we start tumbling down again? Holy shit, 2015 Its going to be a hell of a ride
>Prepare for the manga industry to be the same repetitive unending bullshit ala Marvel/DC crap.
America has very free fair use laws, which have led to the repetitive unending popularity of only a few franchises.
Japan has very restrictive fair use laws, which have led to a very very diverse amount of new characters, and new stories created every single day.
The opposite would happen if the laws got strengthened. People would be even more scared of getting sued and try to create even more outrageous stories.
The restrictions on fair use encourage people to be more creative and start their own story so that one day they may be able to make money off those ideas.
When fair use is free and open it actually hinders creativity because drawing on already popular ideas is more likely to generate income.
>Doujin "artists" are talentless hacks.
You're missing the point.
Save for rare talents or exceptions, pretty much anybody aspiring to becoming a mangaka will make doujins to practise before getting in the assistant crew of another author.
onlymatter of no more porn or fanfictions: iIf doujins are killed off there will be close to no way for aspiring artists to practice the "real deal" before getting the professional mangaka world.
>colony of USA
Are Nips really this delusional? They probably still blame us for ending WW2.
The people on /r9k/ were always beta failed normalfags anyways. See, this is why you guys piss me off. I hate women and special snowflake SJWs who act like retards too, but I don't think it's some giant fucking funded conspiracy. You always take it just far enough to make everyone ignore you. If you didn't come off like a crazy conspiracy theorist a lot more people would listen.
Japan has harsh punishments. Japan has less overall crime and more bizarre and extreme crime. This is literally nothing new, despite whatever click-baity "doujin scene" subject you want to use.
Japan isn't any better because they aren't forbidding anything but everyone is working off of cliches that work and no one is creating anything new.
This new thing might put Japan in a better direction than the shitfest they're in right now.
You're not even replying to the same guy. Neither he, or I want you in this because this shit is time consuming and demanding, albeit fun. Once you're redpilled there's no way back, anon.
>everyone is working off of cliches that work and no one is creating anything new.
You are retarded.
1) You can't outlaw cliches.
2) Everybody's doing it. Not just Japan.
3) Manga is very diverse. If the west were interested in anything but the most cliched stuff, then we'd get a lot more variety. That includes doujinshi.
Japan only has a low "crime rate" because the statistics are utterly baked. Japanese police in many places don't even bother making arrests unless they're sure to get a conviction, for example.
He isn't really wrong. Japan has technically been a US/Western colony since 1853.