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How long until I can scream KOTOMINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KIREIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII while watching this animated?
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probably not until late 2015 at the earliest
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>>118159063
Ufotable pumped out the first 5 kara no kyoukai movies pretty quickly.

If each HF movie is 1 hour (pretty much what Knk movies were), then about 8-9 movies can be mode to cover the whole route if it's assumed that HF will have the same length as the UBW tv series (which is about 8 hours).

With that said, first half of HF has lots of SoL that can be condensed so maybe 6 movies instead of 8?

If it's 8-9 movies and they are as fast as how they were with Kara no Kyoukai (Movies 1 to 7 were released within 2 years) and assuming that Fate is a more popular project, then 2016 seems reasonable.
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Going through Hollow, ripping files and what not.

Just wondering, what's the best method for converting the sprites? Aliasing everywhere...
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>>118159407
>about 8-9 movies
Are you completly delusional?
The middle of the route would make the middle movies unwatchable.
>>118159554
You mean from bmp to png?
If yes use imagemagick "mogrify"
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>>118159407
Except we know nothing about HF movies yet, dont start the hype. We dont know if its 1 movie, or many.
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>>118159407
>8-9 movies
Realy?
My guess is 3 maximum more likely 2
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>>118159772
3 movies of 1 hour duration, are you kidding?

>>118159651
The middle of the route can be condense and have additional scenes (more than the interludes) just like UBW series has additional scenes. Except movie scenes will be longer.
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>>118159063
Soon.
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>>118159878
>3 movies of 1 hour duration
No they'd have to be longer.
But there is no way to make more than 3 "satisfying" movies out of HF.
How would you even cut the route in 8 movies?
You can't just see movies as longer TV- Episodes
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>>118159978
>No they'd have to be longer.
Ufotable is not Ghibli, they don't do movies longer than 1 hour.

Plus, who'd want to see something of the Nasuverse in a film longer than 1 hour in a film theater? His works are enjoyable if you don't take too much at once, even for diehard fans.
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>>118160063
Than please say how you'd cut them into those 8 movies without having half of them bomb
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>>118160063
>They don't do movies longer than 1 hour

KnK 5, 1 hour 53 minutes long
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>>118160089
>waitress: "if you don't like this steak, why don't YOU cook it instead?"
That's for the director to figure out, not me.

>>118160119
1 out of 8 movies. (And that was the only good one too).

So let's say Ufotable finds that really good director that can pull off a good movie of almost 2 hour length from the nasuverse. There's still 6 hour of movie material left. That's 6 movies. Or if you think the middle route should be eliminated completely and have nothing new added, that's 4 hours left optimistically. According to Ufotable's record, that's 4 more movies but that's if you want a really shit product.
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>>118160257
The point is that the route doesn't nearly have enough content for 8 movies.
The pacing is already shitty for a VN but it's just downright atrocious for a visual medium
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IIT: Delusionals.
No seriously, if you expect more than 2 movies you are plain delusional, period.
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>>118159651
Thanks based anon! I'm having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around it, but I'm sure I'll get it eventually.
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>>118160316
meh.
I can see them doing 3 movies.
The second one would be pretty shitty though
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>>118160308
Right, the VN has ton of shit, I get it.

That's why Ufotable will probably add new content as they did with UBW. However, UBW has less shit in it, so you don't see much added scenes.

>>118160316
You're delusional for expect less than 2 movies.

Knk is less popular than Fate (yes, even HF is more popular than Knk) and got 8 movies with an OVA. HF is guaranteed multiple movies. There is more demand.
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>>118160341
mogrify -format png *bmp -transparent #ffffff
Atleast if I remember correctly.
You may not need the last part
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>>118160359
This. 3 movies, probably all about 1:15 to 1:50 long.
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>>118160257
>>118160119
Also, KnK 7 was 2 hours, KnK 8 was 1 hour 30 minutes

I think the best way is to have 3 movies, cutting out some of the less important SoL scenes. Not all of them were necessary, but cutting out every single one would also cut out a bunch of important stuff with sakura
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>>118160486
>*.bmp
my bad
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>>118160554
Or maybe the best way is not to adapt HF and have ufotable make a tsukihime anime instead.
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>>118160633
Why? There's already one
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>>118160478
>UBW has less shit in it
UBW is in my opinion the best paced route.
The climax isn't as good as HF's but it has not nearly as much "idle-time" as HF.
Also the wordcount on HF is horribly bloated with all the bad-ends and horrible sex-scenes
No comment on Fate
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>>118160662
What are you talking about anon?
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>>118160674
>Also the wordcount on HF is horribly bloated with all the bad-ends and horrible sex-scenes
You were reading a shitty fan translation.
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>>118160741
That last one is shit
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>>118160741
/jp/ did a pretty good job at making F/SN even more unreadable.
Because every alternate version they did is way worse than Takajun's
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>>118159931
My dick
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>>118160741
But they are much worse than the Mirror Moon version
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>>118160486
>>118160568
You're the nicest anon I've ever met.

I fucking love you. Have some sexy Seiba and Rin as compensation for having to spoonfeed a faggot like me.
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HF = UBW >>> Fate

I can't wait for Nine Lives with inner monologue, obviously.
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>>118160951
>with inner monologue, obviously.
Picture says all
But seriously.
How they handle Shirou vs. Archer will be a pretty good indication to how much of a trainwreck HF is going to be
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIyNAF5rgYk
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>>118161051
Fuck I went through this scene the other day, so damn great.
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>>118160805
>>118160871
>>118160804
How the fuck is it much worse? The prose is better. TakaJun's translation looks like something a highschool student would write.
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>>118161051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDP6-AI5is0
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>>118161283
The last one sounds stupid
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>>118161283
>The prose is better.
No it isn't.
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>>118161354
It sounds like what a triehard university student would write.

But it's not as bad as the highschool tier translation.
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>>118161034
Is it that time again?
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>>118159554
How did you get all the sprites?
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>>118161548
Just rip them with crage/crass
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>>118161521
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>>118161511
I suppose. Hit the nail on the head with that description though
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>>118161619
Shouldn't you be in a Prisma thread?
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>>118161625
>crage/crass
can you give me a link, google came out with nothing
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>>118161796

http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=Tools#Crass
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>>118161796
because I feel like faggot today
http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Crass-0.4.14.0.bin.7z
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SHIKI...I don't get why he gets all the hate on /a/. Tsukihime is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.

What are the main complaints? He raped Kohaku and stole Shiki’s life force?

Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Kohaku. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Kohaku.

Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK KOHAKU? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. SHIKI knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Kohaku want.

And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Shiki’s life force.

Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from family problems so wrong? When Akiha does the same thing to Shiki it's like 'oh she's so womanly', but when SHIKI does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Akiha. He probably was going to use his Tohno Inheritance to tighten Kohaku’s cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.

The story was written to make that faggot Shiki look good. Objectively, SHIKI is a far better character than Shiki. At least he has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like Shiki, and if he weren't stuck with that weak ass Blood Swords power of his and no Mystic Eyes of Death Perception plothax he probably would have won the fight.
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>>118162097
You need to change a few more things.
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>>118161833
>>118161877
thank you
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Guise I'm worried non-F/Z tier sales of shit UBW will mean we get only one HF movie.

It's unfair because who the fucks wants UBW when there is HF?
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>>118162341
You are aware that Stalker only tracks the more expensive release on amazon right?
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>>118162381
I was not aware.
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>>118162097
But you're wrong. Everyone loves SHIKI, myself included.
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>>118162341
Stalker is not tracking it correctly. Also one movie was pretty much guaranteed once you figure out the route wouldn't work divided.
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>>118159063
I will scream it in Japan cinema. Can't wait.
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>>118162502
2 movies should be possible without problems.
The beginning has some action scenes and would probably end some time after the rain-scene.
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>>118162590
Expect the worse.
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>>118162665
What a fuck are you talkin about? There is no even release date for movie.
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>>118161665
I should really read Tsukihime already.
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>>118162723
HF will be cut down to fit into a movie format.
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>>118162865
Proofs.
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>>118162932
Rider's VA doesn't have a job while Sakura's VA is shedding crocodile tears all over because she got in.
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>>118162665
>HF with less Rider
Not sure I even want it anymore
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>>118163014
I was hoping they would remake her death scene and give her a decent death in UBW but apparently they can only make anime original shit for Saber.
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>>118163110
>>118163014
Rider a shit
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>>118163008
And? Ufotable draw episode 12 right now. So NO S2 OH GOD?
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>>118163225
You lost it, being a HFag must suck.
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>>118163213
Fuck you, Shinji. You won't survive the next route
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>>118160741
>sonorous
>floridity
Yeah those are definitely words that should be coming out of Shirou's mouth
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>>118159063
How long until I can scream SEEEEIIIIBAHHHHHH
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>>118162461
>>118162097
I just want to know why SHIKI looks different between the two sides
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>>118162768
That's just copy pasted from the legendary Nasu porn thread. It does not come up in Tsukihime.
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>>118163546
Shit's obvious, it depends on how much Roa has gained control of that vessal as he's become the dominant host.

In the far side routes he's still mostly SHIKI as he's fighting it.

Near side he's mostly Roa
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>>118163345
A SHIT.
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>>118163610
oh, yeah that makes a lot of sense
I'm a retard
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>>118163483
How long until I can say Archer's chant out loud like a retard?

>>118163605
Damn, but it sure looks like something from it.
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>>118163630
YOU'RE A SHIT SHINJI!
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>>118162097
Also raped Akiha that one time, and did something to make her into a nearly lifeless doll in the process.
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>>118163610
Thank god for Far side. Roa is such a boring antagonist. Even Kuzuki is more interesting.
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>>118163709
A SLUTTY PIECE OF SHIT!
USED GOODS!
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I'm going to get a lot of shit for this, but to be honest, I think they should just try and merge Fate and Heavens Feel into one route for the movies.

Fate largely sucks ass, but there are a lot of nice moments in it, and HF just fucking wont work as a visual medium, the pacing is so fucked.

If they just do a direct adaptation of HF, the only movie worth watching is the last one.
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>>118163670
Yes that was the point of the thread.
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>>118163761
Thousands of years old entity, got mind-fucked by a teenager because he said three sentences. Ran away like a coward, a hallway fell on him, and he died.

Very few people realize just how badly that boss battle played out in some ways. The manga at least tried to make it look like he put up a fight.
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>>118163814
>I think they should just try and merge Fate and Heavens Feel
Fuck off DEEN.
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>>118163814
You can't really have a saber romance when saber's been blackened and is always seen as an enemy.
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>>118161330
>HF Good end.
I couldn't handle it.
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>>118163814
Fucking stupid on multiple levels
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>>118163761
Dude Kuzuki is awesome. Punches the shit out of Saber, bangs Caster and doesn't give a fuck.
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>>118163767
WELL YOU CAN'T EVEN BE A MAGUS! YOU'RE SO INEPT, THE HOLY GRAIL COULDN'T GIVE YOU CIRCUITS!
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>>118163940
Saber would just be a bro until she goes evil
Sakura would be the villain.
Ayako would be the main heroine.
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The characterization in general is weirdly paced in this series. It’s all done in layers.

When a character appears, they're never quite what they seems to be and at the “incredible” speed of one tiny layer at a time do you learn more about his motivaition, his background and stuff like that. This works when the character is compelling from the start (Illya, Kirei, etc). It just doesn't work for Shirou.

Shirou as he is presented to us at the start has all the personality of a wet noodle. Instead of giving us a wholesome characterization from the start so we like him, and building on the character further with plot events, instead they present a seemingly bland character and then peels off the layers which makes understanding him not a matter of presentation but rather a matter of time.

Just take Taiga’s remarks about Shirou as a kid in the latest episode. It's a waste of time to wait so long to explore this character. Instead of actually making him a good character from the very beginning, we are forced to wait for him to become bearable. Even if he becomes really interesting in the end, you still have all those episodes where he wasn’t interesting and a plottwist-like revelation about the character isn’t worth it if that’s the price the series has to pay for that.

By the 9th episode of UBW I'm thinking "How about about we wrap things up and call it a day? We all know where this is going and frankly I prefer the destination to the journey here.”

The writing just isn’t very good. The conflict between Archer and Shirou for example, it basically always boils down to one saying “Hey, you’re wrong about this shit.” and the other one saying “No, you’re wrong!”. Then Archer has to add some ominous, mysterious remarks, of course, and that’s all there is to it.

Why didn't Archer just reveal himself right then and there at Ryuudo temple so he can reveal Shirou's ideals a shit and kill him?
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>>118163814
>I think they should just try and merge Fate and Heavens Feel into one route
Please stop talking

If they were going to do a major divergence it couldn't be anything but Ilya route
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>>118163814

>I'm going to get a lot of shit for this, but to be honest, I think they should just try and merge Fate and Heavens Feel into one route for the movies.
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>>118163814
How do you even suggest that'd work.

you can't just cut out all the good parts of heaven's feels and then just stick them onto fate
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Ok, I've been told that Nasu has been adding changes to UBW while it's been airing, and the changes have been received well.

What would he have to change if Fate got an adaption by UFOtable?

Is there anything that needs to change in Heaven's Feel?
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>>118163814
>merging Fate and Heaven's Feel
What the fuck? How would you even do this?
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>>118164074
60% HF, with Fate fights sprinkled in.
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>>118163546
>>118163610
Expanding on this a bit, one of Roa's round win animations in Melty has him transform back into his pre-vampire appearance complete with priest robe, so he obviously has some body-modification magecraft at his disposal.

Although that does bring up the question of why he didn't use it in Ciel's body, as well as the question that looms over the whole scenario of what made Roa dominant in the Near Side routes but SHIKI dominant in the Far Side.
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>>118164078

>Ok, I've been told that Nasu has been adding changes to UBW while it's been airing, and the changes have been received well.
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>>118159772
Ufotable will do as many movies as aniplex will fund them for. It will all probably be determined based on how well UBW does.

If they sell 50k average on UBW, they'll probably want to fund them for as many movies as the pacing allows. A successful movie brings in more money than a non-existent one.
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>>118164078
Nasu is a faggot that makes everything worse
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>>118164022

So basically Shirous a boring shit?
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>>118164124
>what made Roa dominant in the Near Side routes but SHIKI dominant in the Far Side.
my theory that Roa "surfaces" because Arc gets weakened extremly
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>>118164078
>Is there anything that needs to change in Heaven's Feel?

According to /a/, "Kill off the main heroine before the start of the game, remove all cooking and anything else too SoL from Shirou's character, MoS is the only choice".

Honestly though, not too much. A lot of it would come across a lot easier than anyone assumes in an animated format. For example the cooking scenes in Ufotable UBW, no one even notices them despite still being there, it would be the same in HF animated.

I know everyone will be complaining when the movie does come either way, but a lot of it should flow pretty well even without any real change as long as they do it about as well as UBW. Most of the issues with HF won't be apparent when animated.
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>>118164022
Maybe because the routes are meant to be played one after the other. Every route had something to offer and it was a good experience to have Shirou turn from a bland protagonist into someone with convictions.
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>>118164022

Which sites did you go on to get those epic quotes?
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>>118164124
I think SHIKI was dominant in the far side route because of him taking Shiki's life force. No source on that.
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>>118164078
>What would he have to change if Fate got an adaption by UFOtable?
The whole Saber-Shirou dynamic and Shirou's role in the story. He's such a boring backseat protag in Fate, and the "Saber you shouldn't fight" thing is just annoying.
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>>118164211
UBW was written with the expectation that the reader has already gone through Fate route and understands the base of Shirou's character
90% of Shirou's character development is expressed internally
Ufotable pretends internal monologues don't exist

Do you see the problem?
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>>118164212
That's plausible. I also liked how the manga did it, where he appears as SHIKI for most of the run until he nearly kills Shiki, then Roa takes over. Because you really can't deny in retrospect that there was at least some SHIKI still in there in Arc's route.

Whatever the outcome, I'm hoping it gets addressed in the remake.

>>118164283
SHIKI took Shiki's life force years before Tsukihime, in all routes.
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>>118164139
UBW is going to sell about 20-30k
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>>118164291
>Ufotable pretends internal monologues don't exist
That's how it usually works when translating from the written word to the visual medium. Unless you want it to become a Monogatari clone.

>>118164211
He's presented to us as a boring shit and the fact that he isn't a boring shit but rather is incapable of not acting like a boring shit is treated like some kind of epic plot twist.
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>>118164334
Didn't he take more of it in the far side route?
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>>118164386
Shirou's development is ironic. Whether you think it's great or not directly relates to whether you should stay or fuck off.
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>>118164371
where do you get those numbers from?
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Worst case scenario: one 2 hour movie like DEEN.
Best case scenario: two 2 hour movies.

Anything less is underestimating ufo.
Anything more is being delusional.
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>>118164386
>That's how it usually works when translating from the written word to the visual medium
No, it's not. There are plenty of works that blatantly express a character's thoughts to the viewer/audience. I'm not saying it should be Monogatari, but Ufotable largely failing to express Shirou's thoughts and development through some alternative method has a negative impact on the story.
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>>118164557
It's far more common for something to omit the internal monologue. And that isn't just true for anime. But usually, it ends up being detrimental. Look at Blade Runner, and see just how much better the Director's Cut (with internal noir-style monologue) is than the original release.
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it's going to be great when Shirou says he is going to defeat berserker and it then the movie ends saying
TO BE CONTINUED
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>>118163814
They will merge Fate and HF in some way. We will likely see Saber Alter vs Pegasus fight.
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>>118164790
Excalibur vs Bellerophon already happens in HF though, shirou's just there to back rider up this time
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>>118164386
>Unless you want it to become a Monogatari clone.
Pretty sure Melancholy did it first.
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