Who is the best dressed and why it's Rei?
I'd plow her snow, if you know what I mean.
i dunno you'd see more blacks and jeans around here than that. prob not a scarf either
its not unsalvageable but its pretty goofy
but i guess if you look at it in the context of middle school standards instead of as an illustration sure
You arrive in your bedroom and see this, what do?
Why the fuck has noone mentioned Kaworu? His looking fly as fuck
I take it you don't know shit about fashion?
Mari needs to pick better clothing
shit nigga i would buy that set of clothes shinji's wearing
fuck me sideways, do they ship to foreign countries? and whats the price?
The clothing collection sold out in like 3 hours, weeks ago. You're going to need to go through http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/evastore/ if you want to find shit. And no, they probably won't ship outside Japan, you need a shipping proxy.
come on japan step it up for us outsiders what the hell..
After years of putting it off, I finally watched Neon Genesis Evangelion and the three films of the Rebuild of Evangelion series.
I have two questions about the third film:
Why did the blonde Dr woman who knew about Ikari's plans all along join Misato's rebellion-group? I thought a third/fourth impact was her goal as well?
Where was Misato's boyfriend in the third film? They never established he died in the second one, did they?
Also, is The End of Evangelion worth watching? I was content with the anime ending so I just moved on to the entirely retold story with modern animation but I figure Asuka's eyepatch is explained in it or something?
Some will say that EoE is not worth watching. Others, like me, will urge you to deffinitely go and see it. Right now. Why are you still reading this. Go!
Death & Rebirth is completely skippable though.
>Wanting to fuck what's basically a human doll
I pray you all get good taste someday.
>tfw Cassino doujins come true
is it even worth it to watch the third Rebuild?
*get out sluts, daddy has some funposting to do*
Lets be honest here.
Yes, it sucks for Rei fans and other fans who expected Anno, Tsurumaki, and the rest of Khara to showcase Rei Ayanami's fantastic character from the original, and do their best to make a new rendition that was on par with the original.
But then look at the rest. They are shallow, fantasy pandered versions of themselves, their entire character is sold on being homosexual and to be marketed as such to an audience who fetishize same sex couples. Their characters are changed at a whim to pander ceaselessly according to Anno and the rest's own fantasies.
If Rei is the fifth wheel, then perhaps she's a wheel that's best left away from the car or wagon. Maybe there's a little bit of dignity in that.
>How does it feel to know Asuka won?
I'll be honest with you. This means you actually lost. There are two characters there. "ayanamirei (tentative name) 'Q' ", both of which are altered versions of the original. Both shallow characters that no longer represent what either Asuka or Rei from NGE was.
That Asukafags ate up Shikinami, and Reifags rejected Rei Q, is proof that Reifags were the only one of the two that actually cared about the character.
Asukafags only cared about it's sex appeal and cliche cute girl / tsundere attitude.
Even Asukafags have rejected Asuka, and proved that they identify more with their fantasy version of Asuka than the real one.
Asuka might have won the pandering and fanservice contest, but Rei won the moral victory.
It's nothing to be proud over, which is why you have to wonder how pathetic those who see "Asuka winning" in that picture as a victory are.
You'll also have to wonder how utterly insecure and butthurt they've been, even at Gainax or Khara to create this new fantasy Evangelion where their favorites will be the most popular in a popularity poll.
Stop being a faggot, this is why we asukafags get a bad anime. And this anon is right >>117296846 Shikinami being the go to Asuka nowadays is not something positive.
ask them where Misato is
Who is the best format and why is it
Gendo. Look at those shades. Stylish as fuck.
90s Jap fashion. Still, I like Rei's little evening dress.
True. At least he's not dressed like K1.
Why do I like 3.0 for its mystery but yet hate it for the time skip.
Trying to figure out 3rd impact was interesting, but it would of been far more better for the plot and setting if we just got to see it instead.
Wish I had more well-dressed Asuka. Just about every alternate outfit I find is some sort of fetish-bait.
The sundress is pretty /fa/
There's no mystery about 3.0.
It's just Anno and Tsurumaki circlejerking about Kaworu and Asuka and using "mystery" as a smokescreen. That's literally all the timeskip is.
>how do me make aska rook supelior?
>we harf to lemove the lei!
>but how? they wirr see our trickery!
>we introduce.... da timeskip!
>BRIRRIANT ANNO! now people wirrr rike aska more and buy more figure!
and so 3.0 was born
>there are people who still deny that Rei is the best suited for Shinji
Here is some offical art of her as a well dressed nazi officer
I actually like this dress better than her canon yellow sundress.
Works for me.
Cheonsams/Qipaos never fail to make me dick move.
Mwell as a Reifag I can't say that's the case if Shinji doesn't feel attracted to Rei that way. It goes both ways.
That said Rei will make the best girl, wife, world leader and anything nice.
It's just Shinji that has shit taste apparantly.
I liked her look better as a Spehss Nazi.
Theses guys from Eva Racing team should make a yuri doujin featuring Rei, Asuka and Misato.
Not really. Rei is the warm, safe, motherly contentment of home. But Shinji doesn't need that. He needs the harshness of reality to show him that those few
Fucking auto-post. Didn't finish my thought.
Meant to say Shinji needs the harshness of reality to show him those few moments of kindness as moments to be treasured and not taken for granted. To understand that not everything need be hunky-dory. But that he can face pain and still hold out hope for comfort.
With Rei, he's retreating into his safe-zone where he doesn't have to grow up. But Rei is just a kind fantasy who can give him what he WANTS, but is furthest from what he NEEDs.
It's like some weird propaganda thing
"women can't ever be warm, protective or otherwise interested in other people's wellbeing unless they're a mother figure"
Who believes this shit? Don't they EVER take a step outside to meet real girls? I bet the above is propagated by a bunch of betas so used to rejection by the opposite sex that they think it's like this for everyone.
If Shinji wasn't so filled with meh taste, he'd put a ring on Rei's finger if he gets the chance.
From a psychiatrists perspective, that's wrong. The last thing Shinji needs in his situation is more harshness. He needs a bit of care and comfort and a stable, secure enviroment to develop in.
Rei needs the same thing pretty much, along with Asuka.
If Rei is safe, stable, hunky-dory and what not, then she's a perfect partner, not romantic necessarily.
Not him (asufag here). I always felt than rei and shinji were made for each other. Asuka on the other way, needs someone with a stronger personality, I don't think anyone on the series would be good to her.
Shinji rejected instrumentality because he'd rather face a harsh truth than accept a comforting lie.
That's what Anno wants you to think. But he's from a generation where things like Gundam's Bright Slap were the norm when dealing with kids like Shinji. But Anno doesn't force the Bright Slap on Shinji. Shinji decides he needs the Bright Slap himself.
Sadly I don't have my group images here, but yeah, one can do a /fa/ thread with eva
But Asuka failed science because she couldn't read the Kanji.
But Rei never was comforting lier.
She's the most honest and trustworthy character, she's almost a fembro and has the biggest balls of them all.
Rei could be his best ally and support on his way towards all the harshness of the world.
She's not an overprotective mother of any sort.
He kind of does force the bright slap continuously. Hell he gets slapped around quite often, even Rei slaps him.
Besides, you miss the point of the bright slap. Amuro was a spoiled kid, almost. His father never hit him. Bright does.
Then you shouldn't take Anno's warped view for the truth. You and I know better.
Yes, but that is a non-relevant issue since not doing it would mean his life would never go on.
>. But Anno doesn't force the Bright Slap on Shinji.
Rei gave him his deserved Bright slap. That shows the fallacy on the "passiveness" argumentation against LRS.
Anno Bright-Slapped his audience with 3.0 and it was glorious.
While that argument is poor, LRS is sadly not a thing because Shinji doesn't want to it seems. You can't force them.
Not as much as a slap as an admission that he's given up on taking Evangelion seriously. It's a metaphorical slap to the face for those that hoped Rebuild would be a more serious affair. What's done is done, Rebuild is now only for the otaku.
I think that was just showing where Rei's priorities were. Shinji barges into her apartment, sneaks a peek at her naked coming out of the shower, jumps to second base right on top of her, and all he gets is the cold shoulder.
But when he questions his asshole dad? Pop! She gives him five across the eyes.
Meh. Too much of 3.0's soundtrack was just recycled from his older work.
If you want to go weird we can go weird
Shit, forgot to turn off the auto-post. Again.
Realistically, it's a better option than dating a histrionic bitch that will make both of them miserable, or an adult pedophile or a gay angel that will kill himself at any whim.
That said, Shinji isn't out to date anyone.
What Shinji needs, really what all of them probably need, is just to be in a more healthy environment for a couple years before really broaching the subject of romances
otherwise codependency is basically your best case scenario
I think Anno's message amongst it all is that love
is a battlefield. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVZOLV9SPo
If Shinji showed Asuka love, and dicked her a few times, she would probably mellow out, at least towards him, since she won't have to try so hard to get his attention anymore.
Not that he would ever give her the time of day, not with all the suffering he needs to do on a daily basis.
Rei and Evangelion is over post 3.0. There's no reason to take anything Rei in Rebuild seriously anymore besides as shallow entertainment.
I don't read fanfics but I've seen that one advertised even here, and if my impression is correct (that it's Rei, only she's crazy and fucks people's shit up and whatnot no prisoners taken), then that would be better than Rei Q.
>Asuka just needs penis in her vagina
>then she'd be OK
stay classy asukafags.
I felt it was more to
hold the line! love isn't always on time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csvMrjvl__8
They could have a fantastic trailer park couple dynamic with a constant cycle of fighting, the police showing up and taking Asuka to the drunk tank and Shinji taking her back every time.
But still, in the end, Shinji
took her breath away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUis9yny_lI
Oh god. I can't decide if that would have been better or worse than Kuronami. I mean... at least Kuronami bears a passing resemblance to Rei. Holy fuck I did not need these memories of that lol so randumb piece of shit.
Anno likes aliens. Remember that in his show just before Eva, Shinji WAS an alien.
>If Shinji showed Asuka love,
You're expecting Shinji to become Kaworu, then? That shows how much you understand his character and his struggle. Getting dicked wouldn't help Asuka's issues either, she needed to get over her mommy issues first and foremost.
There are some horrible filler arcs near the middle, from where they told the team to stretch a 2 cour series into twice that length, but the rest of it is fun & enjoyable.
I've never seen the movie they made after the series, but everything I've heard about it has been mixed at best
Are you forgetting about
the power of love? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkAVfsw5xSQ
Yes, but it shows its age even more than Eva does at this point. It's mostly much more light-hearted and less serious than Eva, so don't expect that sort of seriousness. It does shit all over itself when Gainax had to outsource a couple of filler arcs because it was so popular they needed more episodes. But the Island arc is forgivable in its badness since there is plenty of good to see, as well as important plot points like the actual Secret of the Blue Water. The African village arc is cancer on the rest of the series.
Still, it's very Anno, so a lot of the characters have very glaring flaws. Notably Nadia herself, but, like Anno's other shows, there's a lot of depth to them all. And the finale is Anno to the core.
What are you doing and why are you doing it?
God, it was so bad. I don't think that guy understood a single thing about a single character in all of Eva.
Oh, didn't see this.
FUCK THAT MOVIE WITH A RUSTY FUCKING RAZOR.
Do NOT watch it. It's a terrible cash-grab by NHK that didn't involve Anno or Gianax. All it was was a terrible attempt to squeeze a little bit of extra money with a horribly-written and horribly-animated pile of shit.
Yes she was.
Shinji only accepted that after he accepted that he couldn't get away, no matter how far he
Huh? Oh. Um. You're waifu a shit. Um.
His body is making a horribly unnatural 180 degree turn. It's even grosser than his clothes.
He can cook, he cleans, he has a meek disposition and looks adorable in a maid outfit. Yes he would.
a council of grandmas just doesn't have the same gravitas
Aw shit, I've been looking for that video again for years.
Well Rei isn't the first, but she's the rest. Still don't see a problem in dating aliens or clones.
Rei would make a great partner, and the best for Shinji if only because the competition is even worse.
If it's not Shinji, then pick any other similar person in a similar situation. It's better to have someone like Rei close to you, who will help you the best she can, than someone who won't.
According to Fuyutsuki, Yui.
She's going to be even more irrelevant in 4.0 than she was in 2.0 or 3.0.
shitty storytelling, I hate story lines that go "everything could've been avoided if somebody had just took 30 seconds to explain what exactly is going on to shinji instead of letting him go full retard and then mention vital shit to him when it's too late"
>implying Kaworu isn't /fa/ as fuck
>implying Rei doesn't look like she just walked off the set of an Evanescence music video circa mid-00's
You might regret it. It's rather poorly written and relies more on shock value than anything with substance. Its also heavily sugarcoated with otaku and fujoshi pandering to drive attention away from it's clumsy and shabby writing.
This guy: >>117294781
is a total poser faggot.
Yes, she might have truly made that and I'm not even joking.
Yet, storytelling wise she has this habit of failing constantly, so even if she does have a part in that she probably got fucked over by seele and on the longer term, if she is really important she is basically Gendo 2.0, and by that I mean being a useful (and disposable) puppet for Yui
It's all about Shinji learning of how he let us down and how he was a fool to himself and that he tries to live for no one else, but now through all hurt and pain, it's time for him to respect the ones who love him more than anything. So with sadness in his heart, he feels the best thing he can do is end it all and leave forever. What's done is done, and he feels so bad. He once was happy and now is sad. He thinks he'll never love again now that his world is ending
Then he thinks he can turn back time, because now the guilt is all his. He can't live without the trust from those he loves. He knows he can't forget the past, no one can forget love and pride, but because of that, it's killing him inside.
But despite his best efforts, it all returns to nothing as everything comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.
I could see that happening since "guy who started second impact" is currently a role not assigned to anyone we know despite how important it is to the plot.
It could also tie in with why she even became a pilot in the first place.
Original pilot of Unit 03.
>It's far less homo than the original,
Oh stop it, it's not about just being homo it's about being fujoshi pandering. Do you think Bara, HAADO GAY or you know, ACTUAL homosexuals are homo-pandering?
Fujoshi pandering is all about providing a safe, shippy enviroments where they can set the terms of the homosexual romance themselves. You know, create a mood, maybe a little bit of one on one near a piano, maybe some stargazing, maybe some plot about starcrossed lovers....
Shit like that. You know, the shit that wasn't in the original at all. Shinji could suck a billion dicks on-screen and it would not necessarily be fujoshi pandering.
The fujoshi pandering in 3.0 is the heaviest pandering Evangelion has ever done in a story that sells itself as serious business.
Its possible, but honestly I don't think Ano is capable of keeping up with his own story. If he was an even half way decent writer to begin with he never would have started referencing the dead sea scrolls.
There is the potential to asspull some nonsense like Yui making arrangements with Mari to look after Shinji if anything should happen to her during the contact experiment with EVA 01.
I don't want to give Ano too much credit though.
>makes contact with adam
>gives birth to an Angel
It would fit perfectly
No, she made Adam pregnant with her DNA. It was a lesbian birth. Adam is the mother. We never really learned who donated the DNA they put in Adam's core and the face structure of ALL the males in Evas don't match Kaworu's super feminine and feline one.
More like Anno's just recycling more shit from his older shows. Particularly a girl named Marie with red hair and a thing for felines.
> the shit that wasn't in the original at all
Yeah! That piano scene man, next you know they would go and take a bath together and maybe even touch eachother hands during it!
Nothing like that in the original am i right?
Sadamoto likes to draw him with light-brown hair for some reason.
That Anon is wrong, Mari's name comes from Mary of Bethany not Jesus's mom
Please don't Anno, I beg you
I highly doubt, if that was the case Mari would have showed up way earlier and would have worked more to help Shinji in 3.0
Who knows? This girl is an odd one
And a blue hairband
The OP pic is from the Manga reset world. Touji was always blond in the manga.
It's my favourite Utada song, so I can see why you feel that way. It's also more pleasant to listen to outside the anime's context.
But KST is legendary, it's on the same level of quality as the original opening.
Nothing like the piano, no. You're missing the plot about starcrossed lovers, stargazing, and of course the fact that it's the entire focus of the series, killing off everything else.
What was in episode 24 was a moment of genuine development as opposed to the contrived, pandering situation of 3.0.
In NGE Shinji has been developed for 24 episodes and is naturally inclined to accept Kaworu, however in Rebuild that is not quite the case, meaning the movie has to brush aside everything and then force Kaworu in to make for something similar.
It's extremely fujoshi pandering, and that's a fact.
I don't understand why you're in this much denial about it.
>"This "contact" was apparently physical, and somehow resulted in DNA "diving" into Adam and "physically fusing" (to use their own cryptic phrasing). It has been forwarded as the direct impetus for Second Impact. It is also very strongly intimated (in the manga, essentially stated) that Tabris was born from this joining of Lilin genes and Adam's body. The identity of the donor is unknown."
I would like Anno to do this just for the fucking shitstorm
You mean Sadamoto, the guy who invented Shinji's look and wrote and drew the manga?
Yeah, he doesn't give much a shit on the colors and just does what is most aesthetically pleasing at the time. Of course, he also gave Shinji brown eyes because he wanted Shinji to look like the everyman. Anno gave him blue eyes to represent innocence.
And hell, Shinji had purple hair even before he was even Shinji.
Of course, don't take it literally. Shinji and Nadia's hair is supposed to be black, it's just represented as purple. For that matter, so is Misato's. Also, for some reason Sadamoto felt the need to give Nadia blue eyes in all his art after the show aired, even though her eyes are canonically turquoise.
>There is the potential to asspull some nonsense like Yui making arrangements with Mari to look after Shinji if anything should happen to her during the contact experiment with EVA 01.
If the second impact thing is true I'd say that probably soured things between Mari and Yui pretty badly. Thematically it actually could work pretty well with Mari being able to leave what she had done behind contrasted with Shinji and his inability to do so.
It really seems like you are reaching out too much just to fit it to your point of view.
Karl vs Shin was always a homolust material for all fujoshi pandering. Don't see how rebuild made it even more so.
And even if it did in your oppinion, how is that a problem.
And I do not agree with you. I feel original had more homolust and fujoshi pandering..
Wow, that's a very good Eva thread.
Kind of hard on neo-/a/.
Then you're wrong. Objectively. It's not an opinion you can have without being wrong. You're lying to yourself and that's bad.
It's provable even mathematically. NGE has one episode featuring Kaworu out of 26. That's 1/26. Rebuild has one movie out of four. That's 1/4.
Do the math, and that's 650% more fujoshi pandering in Rebuild than in NGE.
That's not even accounting for the fact that Rebuild's fujoshi pandering permeates the entire Rebuild series. Kaworu is in the story since movie 1 and will probably be in the final movie as well. So from the start it's pandering with the starcrossed lovers plot, and Kaworu has been upgraded to a "monster of the week" character to a looping godlike figure.
You're very, very wrong anon. You have to agree with me here if you want to be right.
It's threatening to go to shit if this Kaworu arguing doesn't abate soon.
Just look at this anon.
The original isn't fujoshi pandering, it's a well done character drama as opposed to what 3.0 does, which is just to make for suitable scenarios for fujoshi.
What you mean is that fujoshi will twist and twirl NGE to be about homosex regardless of what it actually does.
That's a dumb question and rebuttal, since content and length is important. If you had eight hours of Rebuild bashing or downplaying Kaworu, it wouldn't be fujopandering.
Rebuild 3.0 and Rebuild as a whole is extremely fujoshi pandering. It threw out all substance just to pander to fujoshi. That's an indisputable fact.
At this point I do not even believe you are for real.
Have fun anon. I'm ending this discussion with best girl.
Caps are cool. Those count.
It was a good run since the start but I can't stand it when some would-be Rebuildfag pretends 3.0 wasn't all fujoshipandering.
Would it cost you so much to just be reasonable?
If your enjoyment of 3.0/Rebuild hinges so much on denying that it's fujoshi pandering and sacrifices what it had of substance to do that, then you have severe dependence issues.
You don't introduce a timeskip, change every relationship and write a contrived plot to bring Kaworu and Shinji together around a piano in a single movie unless you want to pander to fujoshi.
Do you even understand Evangelion?
Which anima can match Eva in char design?
IMO Only Clannad, and it begun as a VN after all.
Sad but true. I think Kaworu is an interesting character whose actions and role is ripe for much discussion. It's just sad that it always has to dive into shit-flinging with nothing of import being said.
He's not worrying about it being "real." It's just how he wants to represent his art. Look at Touji's track suit, or Shinji's pants, or Hikari's hair, back in >>117307351. All are supposed to be black, but they're represented as a different color to fit the aesthetic he's aiming for.
I just mentioned Shinji's eyes because it's just a difference in vision between Sadamoto and Anno on how they want to represent him. I mentioned Nadia's eyes because sometimes Sadamoto just doesn't give a fuck.
>Sad but true. I think Kaworu is an interesting character whose actions and role is ripe for much discussion.
Did you ever wonder why that discussion never happens outside shipping him with Shinji?
I suppose if you had, you'd understand that Kaworu doesn't warrant any discussion at all besides commenting on his state in new canon and what it brings with him.
Did you really watch all of 3.0 without realizing that it's pretty much a retelling of the Kaworu eps of NGE?
How insecure are you that you have to cry "fujoshit" when there's an aspect of the series (that has been present since its inception) that you don't care for?
But that's all over Eva. The entirety of Evangelion is Shinji's journey and how the all the crazy shit that happens relates to Shinji. Kaworu is just another aspect of that.
>Which anima can match Eva in char design?
Are you seriously going to go that route?
Theres plenty of other shows that have interesting characters and character development that exceeds what was done in NGE and EoE.
I can't remember the last time anything important about Kaworu was discussed besides understanding his role in Rebuild and what the effects of it are, which are unilaterally negative for the story. Removing Kaworu from Rebuild would be better.
He did realize that, but like the rest of us he knows how terrible an idea that is and how poorly it was executed.
3.0 is (rather than doing something new) being a twisted retelling of NGE that removes the substance and replaces it with pandering.
Kaworu is an agent of change for Shinji. He builds him up, supports him with love. Then dies and breaks the Shinji. And only a broken Shinji can move forward. He's a painful, but necessary part of the story.
I wasn't talking about char development, you retard. But if YYOU want to go on that route, no, no anime can. Maybe Utena. Lain and Gits are good, but still far from NGE+EoE. Not even logh, since its hard to make a great characterization and development in an epic narrative. You don't even know what you're talking about.
Stop writing "char" for character. It makes you look like an underage faggot.
Unless you actually want to talk about Char. In which case, go find a Gundam thread.
Also, Clannad is shit with shit character designs.
He's not necessary when that's done by any other part.
What your'e saying is not even true for Rebuild because as 3.0 shows, they had to break Shinji before he could have any relevance.
>Here we go
So you are going to stop at character design and thats it.
No development should ever be taken into account, so mr anon.
What interesting character designs are made in Eva that you are so overly fond of?
A major thing not to look away from is that in the series Misato played a HUGE role for Shinji to develop and the making of his decisions.
In the Rebuilds shes gone from him and instead for Shinji to develop all on his own they stuck to the idea that someone had to influence Shinji, the person they choice was Kaworu.
>Did you really watch all of 3.0 without realizing that it's pretty much a retelling of the Kaworu eps of NGE?
I've actually been making that point since day one. Even before people started to agree en masse.
But there is an enormous difference between the two that's been quantified earlier in the thread. To repeat it simply, the re-telling of eps 24 is taking place at a point in the story where it does not fit. Hence the timeskip and everything needs to be rushed and located off screen.
The results and execution of this was absolutely dreadful. If we had in NGE a diverse cast of characters that each and one had substance, that is no longer the case because of 3.0. Because it focuses more on changing the original than it does building anything new.
So it's only concerned with making the right comments as opposed to being constructive, meaning that Rebuild is now fully devoting itself to loops, star crossed romance and so on for Kaworu. Without having the substance to back it up. Moreover, redoing ep 24 means they are also not doing anything very new structurally speaking.
This means it's fujoshi pandering at the highest possible level. You'd have to be insecure as hell to ignore that fact.
No, just 3.0.
I don't want waifupandering with shallow one dimensional characters like those, Misato doesn't need to be a love interest, she can just end up with Kaji.
The route of a timeskip with a estranged relationship between them is good too, as long it's fleshed out.
1.0 disregarded just about all character development and world-building to scream through the early parts of the series to set up for 2.0. Which disregarded established canon and started doing its own thing. Not as bad as 1.0, but still the pacing screamed through the plot to shove in as much as possible to get to Zeruel, who would finally start something completely different. 3.0 just carries on that theme of being "something completely different." Was it good? Fuck no. But it's not like it's without precedent.
>Rebuild Shinji took a negative turn in 2.0, he became Gendo, Kaworu was necessary to purged him from his dark path before dying and leaving him to Misato and Asuka.
That's not true. Because it's Kaworu and 3.0 that makes it into a dark path, and only so because it forces a conclusion. This is all done through a timeskip where nothing is actually known. It has no substance or depth, it has no reasoning. It's not believable either.
Kaworu was actually not necessary at the level he was used in the Rebuilds.
Welp this WAS a great Eva thread. Now it's just the same of bitching about 3.0 and Kaworu.
Trying to dig out his waifu out of an Eva without caring to fuck the world isn't a dark path? That's exactly what Gendo wants to do and what Shinji can't become if he wants to advance and mature.
Yeah, you're retarded, as I thought.
Please, read my first post >>117308737
I was talking about the design of the characters, how they look like, not about personalities. Is my English that bad or can't you understand a simple phrase?
If you want to, I would love to talk about their development, but that wasn't my goal in the begining, as you can see.
>What interesting character designs are made in Eva that you are so overly fond of?
Have you ever heard about DSM-V? You can find a mental illness plus depression in almost every NGe character. You can also see how every character has a protruding side of Ego, Id or Superego.
I'm busy now, brb.
>1.0 disregarded just about all character development and world-building to scream through the early parts of the series to set up for 2.0.
How? It is condensed but does not disregard character development. As the first movie it is thoroughly setting up 2.0 like you say, much like NGE is setting up the next part with it's initial episodes.
>Which disregarded established canon and started doing its own thing.
What canon did it disregard? If Rebuild is it's own thing, then it's not disregarding any canon, given that it's own canon.
>3.0 just carries on that theme of being "something completely different." Was it good? Fuck no. But it's not like it's without precedent.
It is without precedent, yes. There is no earlier point where realism is dropped so hard in NGE as 3.0, and there is a 14 year long timeskip and effectively zero character interaction that doesn't seem contrived for the sake of plot.
Even the previous two movies were better here.
Reifags may have a point, and in the end I think it just comes down to a matter of preference.
But it doesn't matter anyways. The master laughs at all of us. And I fear this war will end in 3+1 with both of us losing.
At least Asuka's character wasn't completely raped by the rebuilds like Rei was. RoE2 wasn't that bad even though they completely skipped over the pinnacle of NGE that is Episode 9.
Would people be upset if 4.0 took the hollywood route and split into two movies, if it meant the first movie would actually bother to setup some proper characterazation for the second movie, so when shit goes down, it actually feels earned?
If they wanted to do something so grand, it really should have just been a TV series.
>Trying to dig out his waifu out of an Eva without caring to fuck the world isn't a dark path? That's exactly what Gendo wants to do and what Shinji can't become if he wants to advance and mature.
That's not correct either. The only thing that's true is that the path is metaphorically dark, as in you can't tell what path you're actually on as you're walking.
The difference between the two paths they take is too great - where Shinji believes along with the rest of NERV watching that he's moving to save everyone, he is unbeknownst to everyone being part of someone elses plan.
3.0 could just as easily continue right after that, bring out Rei and Shinji and do a new story, without the path being dark. Being tricked or deceived is very different from what you're suggesting.
That's why 3.0 needs the timeskip, it needs to keep everything in the dark, or else it won't work as common sense will just blow it away immediately. More than it does even now.
>Is my English that bad
What you where after is Character art design.
So not necessary bad English or knowledge of it just bad way of getting your question or point trough.
Going completely crazy insulting people is just another way of showing your bad conversation skills.
Gendo is his shadow, anon. He acted like Gendo, he disregarded the world because he wanted his pillow waifu. He didn't care about the consequences, the scene was thought up as "Shinji acting irresponsible."
Kaworu was the character set up for him to "take responsibility." Rei has always been a negative character in Shinji's character arc, unlike Asuka, Misato or Kaworu. She represents the regressive mother womb that makes him want to be isolated from the world. Misato and Asuka represent more down to earth bonds with Kaworu as the bridge between fantasy and reality.
No, pretty much everyone sans Kaworu fans seem to be on the same line here, that the fujoshi pandering in 3.0 far exceeds anything else in NGE.
It's an established fact that only a Kaworufag would attempt denying.
Don't be that guy.
You saying that doesn't make it true however. Regardless of it being thought up as bad or not, the continuation of it is entirely decided with 3.0. So is the decision to ignore any attempt at making substance over pandering.
Think for yourself instead of taking the path of least resistance. If anything, taking that path is the dark one. If you're not willing to think for yourself, you're just submitting yourself to the fantasy the anime sells you.
whops sent too quickly.
>You can find a mental illness plus depression in almost every NGe character.
Imo that doesn't automatically mean the over all character design in Eva and later works exceeds everything else only because ALL of the characters have some underlying depression affecting their decisions.
Sometimes it is even totally ignored but that could just as easily be cause of bad writing/translations that makes the decisions seem less credible.
That being said, Eva have a very good character design and development but going overly anal because Eva just happened to feature characters affected by their mental issues cause of Anno's own problems is very dickish.
What do you even do with more though?
Another loop and retelling of the same events but slighter weirder?
Or does 3+1 end with everything going to shit even more, and build off that?
I just want to see the fruits of Shinji's growth at some point.
>, the continuation of it is entirely decided with 3.0.
The fallout was always going to be negative, in case you didn't realize. Evangelion is all about Shinji's coming of age and Rei's always portrayed in a negative light for his maturity. That she made Shinji become Gendo Jr. spelled doom for her and for Shinji's future.
>Gendo is his shadow, anon. He acted like Gendo, he disregarded the world because he wanted his pillow waifu. He didn't care about the consequences, the scene was thought up as "Shinji acting irresponsible."
None of that sans the latter is actually truthful.
Rather than taking the reality of the situation, or actually assessing it and trying to understand it, you're mindlessly taking a metaphorical approach that doesn't add up when understood at a rational level.
What you're talking about here is the surface and superficial level of the events, which is that it is trying to represent each character as a negative or positive, regardless of what that character actually is, or was for that matter.
As literary analysis, it's a failure what you're doing. Which is why the only point of view where you are correct, the fantasy perspective.
>The fallout was always going to be negative, in case you didn't realize.
That has nothing to do with what we're discussing or what we said.
The negative fallout or regression of the characters is a theme or progression in Evangelion (or any other work that seeks to use the potential it sets up), but how it handles that is the key.
You also have to assess the facts of how 3.0 continued it - by pandering and selling what is an immature fantasy. Rei is not always portrayed in a negative light for his maturity, case in point being the original series. What you're saying here is a post-eva interpretation.
It's not the truth as it is proven wrong within my post. The "running away" exists more on your side of the debate than mine.
I'm seeking to understand it as succinctly and accurately as possible, something which you are not. You argue with bias, I try not to.
>The fallout was always going to be negative
Objectively speaking, that's not true. The story could just as easily have continued in a further positive direction, to be subverted by the end or the next movie.
What's true here is that 3.0 is the movie that makes the decision. Being made three years from the ending of 2.0, 2.0 alone does not conclude anything regarding it's continuation.
You can generally boil down 3.0 supporters/critics into three groups:
>Waifufag type 1:
The Kaworufag and the Asukafag. These support 3.0 since it also supports their own waifudom. The pandering in these movies towards them, as well as the elimination of hostile waifufags makes it their movie.
Composed of people who decide to watch Evangelion for no other reason than to watch it. Reception is generally negative, as 3.0 appears to be nothing more than rubbish that doesn't make sense. The general audience cannot connect with 3.0 as they don't have a "hook" into it.
Those that do receive it well are interested in it's aesthetics, and value that over story, characters, plot and meaning.
Reifags especially and other assorted waifufags. Very displeased with the treatment of their favorite characters, they have extra motivation to criticize and will do so.
As it happens, it's easy to criticize 3.0 since it is not a very great movie unless you just consider select parts of it, and you're a huge fan of that part.
How do Rebuild supporters reconcile that it's narrative is successful insofar that it decries waifuism, but also glorifies waifuism through Asuka and Kaworu especially?
As long as it does that, it's narrative cannot be considered successful. So far it means that it has no success beyond catering to select waifu fans, who coincidentally share the same waifu the writers do.
Something tells me you won't be laughing. Rebuild is already complete and utter shit with 3.0. That movie set 3.0+1.0 far, far back in every department except pandering.
I also don't see your logic. Are you assuming 3.0+1.0, a movie not even planned or finalized, would be shit without 3.0 when 3.0 or 3.0+1.0 could be virtually anything?
Stick with reality here. 3.0+1.0 is starting with characters and a setting that is all style and no substance. Whatever 3.0+1.0 does, it would have been better if 3.0 didn't suck.
>Did you not watch MEMEME? Same shit, but in 7 minutes
Not the "same shit", considering that MEMEME doesn't provide much in terms of waifus, as all of them are reduced to nothing by the end, while Rebuild actively constructed a setting where waifus would be eternal.
No it wouldn't. Shinji doesn't smell her in his own LCL, only in Rei's LCL. What does LCL smell like? Water? It's basically Oxygen rich water only far less dense, it probably smells like nothing.
That new animator expo short? The comparison you have falls a bit short since MEMEME doesn't feature waifus or fantasies as intricate or commercial as Rebuild does.
"MEMEME" is a short that takes the "waifus" and by the end removes them entirely, whereas Rebuild only removes at most one (Rei).
The rest it actively sets up as premium-tier waifus, and actually constructs a setting which is theoretically indestructible in the imagination due to how it deals with loops now. It lets the viewer imagine a good outcome in the next world, and has the plot hinge on that.
In short, Rebuild does not actually provide the negative commentary that MEMEME potentially does.
No, the timeskip actually makes sense given what he did with 3.0. It doesn't make sense insfoar it would mean making a believable story with a message that mattered, however.
I'm saying that 3.0 is set to leave out enough information to make everything come together in 4.0, it's a pure filler episode (in this case a movie.
Yes it doesn't change the fact that 3.0 is pretty terrible overall and it would have been better if it didn't suck.
I'll still be laughing when the posts come.
>I'm saying that 3.0 is set to leave out enough information to make everything come together in 4.0, it's a pure filler episode (in this case a movie.
Have you ever considered how realistic it is to be able to cram the necessary bits into one movie?
3.0 doesn't just leave out information, it creates a gap so great that it cannot possibly be filled without creating enormous amounts of extra material. This is also just purely worldbuilding, because extra OVA's and what not can't actually make the Rebuild characters not suck.
Because it spent more time pandering to "fujoshi" and Kaworu fans than anything else, there's no way 3.0+1.0 can repair everything. The characters involved will never be anything more than pandering devices, even after 3.0+1.0.
Regardless of how it concludes, that's the only guarantee you'll have.
Threads are more productive without the extremes of 3.0 fans, especially Kaworu fans and waifufags.
This is not a good thing, because if it's anyone that needs to discuss Rebuild seriously it's them.
>In short, Rebuild does not actually provide the negative commentary that MEMEME potentially does.
You're right, I take it back. I was over simplifying and meant to say that the new short conveys a shortened negative commentary on NEET life/waifuism/ otaku extremism.
I actually liked how Shinji and Asuka's characters were portrayed in Rebuild, but that's nearly the only thing about the rebuilds I like. That whole shitfest with Wunder was cringeworthy. Regardless, I think both Rebuild and MEMEME are, at their core, about Anno trying to push his message across about accepting life for what it is and dealing with it and try to enjoy it but without totally escaping into fantasy (as shown in MEMEME) because it will only lead to depression.