What religion should I be? I'm really sad about this. I've

>>19591658

If you're in the point of feeling the need to label yourself and on top of that you can't figure out agnosticism you must be pretty dumb.

I feel spiritually dead. Agnosticism is logical but it isn't sane.

>>19591666
Catholicism?
Gnosticism?
Pastaferianism?

>>19591666

We're not just one sentient being, we're at least 3 and we have inner conflicts, spirituallity is a sissy way of trying to educate your rampant main consciousness systems.

That can be done through mental exercises, self-reflection, self-hypnosis, even through having a serious relationship with someone that's the oposite of you in terms of personality.

why not stake your claim as a spiritual individual and ween snippets of divine nuggets from various esoteric sources?

>>19591876
Elaborate on the "we're three beings" thing
>>19591888
That'd be neat.

>>19591911
sure.

shameless plug; http://randomtao.org/

I've used it on and off for years.
V fascinating and insightful.

"Strength is better than weakness.
Courage is better than cowardice.
Joy is better than guilt.
Honour is better than dishonour.
Freedom is better than slavery.
Kinship is better than alienation.
Realism is better than dogmatism.
Vigor is better than lifelessness.
Ancestry is better than rootlessness."

To maintain candour and fidelity in love and devotion to the tried friend: though he strike me I will do him no scathe.
Never to make wrongsome oath: for great and grim is the reward for the breaking of plighted troth.
To deal not hardly with the humble and the lowly.
To remember the respect that is due to great age.
To suffer no evil to go unremedied and to fight against the enemies of Faith, Folk and Family: my foes I will fight in the field, nor will I stay to be burnt in my house.
To succour the friendless but to put no faith in the pledged word of a stranger people.
If I hear the fool's word of a drunken man I will strive not: for many a grief and the very death groweth from out such things.
To give kind heed to dead people: straw dead, sea dead or sword dead.
To abide by the enactments of lawful authority and to bear with courage the decrees of the Norns."
If that sounds good to you look into Asatru.

>>19591658
Hear me out.
Believe in god without religion, because all of them lead to the demiurge.
Believe thus in the god above the dark god.
Gnosticism.
Now now, learn to meditate.
And learn yourself some tantric techniques, apply them.

>>19591658
"All paths lead to the same end"

Why don't they resonate with you?

>>19591930
plug elsewhere, shill

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>>19591658
This is a de-centralised form of Christianity.

There is no "Leader" or dogma, just a history and a list of law givers, it was hidden in a welsh hillside after the Papal backed Normans destroyed the Celtic way of life, it was spread again in the early 90's because so few in power still wanted it destroyed. Its a non-jewish history and a New Testament that fundamentally differs from Roman Catholicism, it's more like orthodoxy but its based on the fact the Jews took control of the ME and forced theirown version of history on us

Far more advanced than the current mainstream Christianity, well worth investigating, brought me back to god.

It isn't gnostic (the soul is here to learn Gods nature, but you can appreciate the gnostic elements in it), basically, man cant understand God, but we should still put the effort in to try.

>Old Testament
(6 Egyptian Books) (4 more Celtic books somewhere online, I cant find them atm)
https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-UYOlu_UlIMBrR3ju/The%20Kolbrin%20Bible_djvu.txt

Kailedy (NT, very different from RC bible)
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/kolbrin_11.htm

>excerpt from Chpr. 15 "The Voice of God"
(meditations by 3 men that agreed with each other)

"I know too well the deceit to which men are prone. The adulterer and fornicator preach chastity for others,
while the liar declares the virtues of Truth. The thief preaches honesty and the lewd-minded professes modesty.
Men say one thing and mean another, while all too often the half or slanted truth replaces the real thing. Men
may deceive themselves and other men, but I am not deceived. Now I say, let men first cleanse their own souls
and eradicate hypocrisy before presuming to approach Me. Men may well cry out, "Why does God remain mute,
why has He deserted Me? " Do they think their deeds are hidden or that I cannot read the secrets of their
hearts?"

>>19592313
my mistake, no regrets, regarts~~~

>>19592200
I have looked into Asatru and I really did like it until I figured out how little we know about it. We don't know exactly how it was practiced.
>>19592216
What is the demiurge?
>>19592269
Because I'm an empty person.
>>19592318
Sounds interesting

None. Religion is the first step to bullshit. Trust yourself and others that are nice normal people.

>>19591911

Our self concious mind (what we percieve as "us") is just a puppet being bombarded by other sentient systems like the very well known subconscious system that communicates with you through visual imagery, or your superconscious system that does the same through positive/negative stimuli.

You've been raised to communicate primarily through the auditive channel, if you want to influence your subconscious for example you'll have to train in visualization and use clear visual imagery instead of verbal speech.

>>19592337
>What is the demiurge?
The god of this realm, he is an evil god whom hates humans and has trapped us in this illusory realm.

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>>19592318
I'll add some links to the fundamentals
>This is all based on the Natural Law btw

>St Patricks Breastplate
http://www.prayerfoundation.org/st_patricks_breastplate_prayer.htm

>Sermons of Columbanus
http://celt.ucc.ie/published/T201053/

History of the Church
https://archive.org/details/thecelticchurchi00herouoft

this all ties into Celtic myths
>Frenzy of Sweeney
>Burning of Dagda's Hostel
>The Death of Cuchulain
>Wooing of Etain
>Dierdre of the Sorrows

These myths are themselves ancient, but they are Localised versions of an even older Pan Global religion before the old Civilisation (Troy, Ancient Egypt etc) fell to invaders.

In 2 waves (~1700BC and ~500BC) the Middle eastern Civilisations collapsed and this is the valuable information that was kept and hidden by the survivors.

Also, people have hijacked it as a "Nibiru" conspiracy book (to discredit its truths within imo) and it says how a comet hit Ireland ~550AD, which has been (almost) deleted from the records, because the Roman Church was unable to predict it.

There is a secular book called "How the Irish saved Civilisation" and this gives a half hearted overview of the historical story.

It was the religion of Pyramid Builders and Newgrange etc.Pic related

>>19592337
>an empty person
Everyone thinks that sometimes. That's when cults typically try to ensnare you. My question is more why you weren't susceptible rather than why you sought out religion. I can understand seeking it out, but it's rare to find one that doesn't at least *appear* to click with you. Was there a different reason each religion didn't resonate with you or did they all not resonate for the same basic reason?

>>19592378
o pls, the demiurge is about as faulty as humans. also misunderstood, poor guy.

a fitting god for our miserable being, dontcha think?

>>19591658
Bible teaches "Me-theism"
via imaginary friends and multiple personality disorder

Job 40 check it out

>>19591658

Try Sikhi.

>universal brotherhood; equality among races and sex
>against useless rituals
>tl;dr work hard, remember god, give to others

It's pretty GOAT-tier. And no you don't have to go to gurdwara and be the only non-Punjabi there. I've heard it helps, but it isn't necessary at all.

Check out Basics of Sikhi.

>>19592391
>demiurge

is it's faultiness not just a reflection of our human ability to misinterpret?

I find it strange that people who believe that we cant understand God, attempt to classify God and even describe aspects of him, bit mad isnt it?

>>19592391
>misunderstood

>deliberately evil god
>has a counterfeit humanity telling spiritual lies
>has us trapped in maya
>sends demons to posess people
>blocks spiritual practice
>his only interest is to see you go to hell

Yeah nah, practical gnosticism is different from the theory.

>>19592417
>deliberately evil god
what is the foundation of human power structure

>has a conterfeit humanity telling spiritual lies
what is established narritive

>has us trapped in maya
what are laws, codified cultural expectations, etc.

>sends demons to posess people
what is alphabet agencies

>blocks spiritual practice
what are mega churches, zealots, assorted unsavory charlatans?

>his only interest is to see you go to hell
dolla dolla bill y'all
I'm grasping at straws here and could have done better.
Regardless, man is no better than a faulty god.

>>19592390
I don't know. I think I might have some sort of brain damage. My brain just picks stuff apart like acid. Nothing can fill the void I have. It's like an incurable depression. A black hole.

>>19592441
alphabet agencies are agencies that make sure there aren't any letters getting mistreated i guess

>>19592446
touché, back to my hole i go

>>19592442
"Dark Night of the Soul" by John of the Cross
and
"7 Mansions" by Thresea d'Aguila

I found these after I "needed" them, I hope they help, you could be on the road to a second birth.

Good Luck,
remember "It's all a dream"
(that probably doesn't help right now, but someday after it happens you might think "oh shit, that asshole on /x said that"

>>19592462
Thanks for the concern and help. I'll surely check those out.

>>19592442
Have you ever looked into void cosmology?

>>19592499
What is that?

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>>19592493
no prob

If then a man wishes to know the deepest ocean of divine understanding, let him first if he is able scan that visible sea, and the less he finds himself to understand of those creatures which lurk beneath the waves, the more let him realize that he can know less of the depths of its Creator; and as he ought and should, let him venture to treat less of Creator than of creature, since none can be competent in the greater if he has not first explored the less, and when a man is not trusted in the lesser, in the greater how should he be trusted? For why, I ask, does a man ignorant of earthly things examine the heavenly?

thats a St.Columbanus quote btw,im the Celtic Church dude

fun fact: the phrase "I searched every nook and cranny" apparently comes from an ancient Irish phrase meaning "I went looking for God up a tree"

just felt like sharing that

>>19592515
It's a complex metaphysical explanation for the origin of all structure, within this universe or without.

>>19591658
Try pornism. Also known as 'RightHandPath'
A friend introduced me to it.
The endgame here is to reach orgasms.
Although it mainly operates as an underground non-organization, there are many followers.

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>>19591658
Try Shinto, far too many people forget that it exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto

>>19592387
>>19592318
Thank you very much!

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>>19592623
no prob, pass it on

"Man has two ways of knowing Me. He can know Me through his own spiritual awakening or through the continued revelation of moral law and divine purpose by My inspired servants. To know Me through a spiritually awakened self is the way of certainty, but few can suffer its austerities and disciplines".

once you find the path, you never want to stop traveling it (even when its bloody difficult) good luck on your journey

>>19591658
You should be an adult. That means you question the world around you, especially the ideas that require faith. You accept your existential uncertainty and try to understand on your own instead of asking an internet message board "Hey which ideas should I just accept passively"

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>>19591658
Alchemy

i put thought and action into the ideas that resonate with me from various systems, including the true teachings of jesus. i try not to forget my responsibility and role in the creation of my reality and question everything.

>>19592675
I have questioned the world and I've been an atheist for a long time. I believe that we are more complex than we'll ever know and that we are everything science has or ever will discover. I believe we're part of the world and our thoughts are just as real as anything else. When I was trying to get into Asatru I literally believed the world was made from Ymir. I know it isn't true but what's the point? Of it doesn't pertain to your survival than you can believe whatever you want and it's true to you. We're so terrifyingly isolated and brief

>>19592729
And just because fairy stories about sky papa bring you some comfort does not make them true, nor does it make them a good foundation for structuring opinions or making life decisions. Just accept uncertainty like a big boy and don't slow down our species' evolution anymore by propagating nonsense.

>>19592648
im just gonna put the liturgy up if anyone wants to hold a mass (mass is a gathering)

>big Sunday dinner, some nice Latin prayers to get in the mood and tell everyone to bring an instrument/plate of food, and bring the neighbors, play the happiest, nicest, most intense/thoughtful music you can, anything to get an emotional reaction

then thank god by laughing and crying like babies and enjoy the meal

>sure beats RC

https://archive.org/details/liturgyceltuc00warruoft

and don't be afraid of some deep meaningful convo, either

>>19592675
Spirituality is a necessity for a healthy mind, atheism and Nihilism are rot for the soul.

>>19592762
I do accept uncertainty you smug asshole that's why I find it valid to believe those sort of things.

If you make a point in your prayers and ask God to lead you to the true religion it will happen. Dont give up I made my own breakthrough after almost giving up.

>>19592787
>>19592729
We're complex because of void metaphysics and undecidability.

>"What if nothing existed?"
Then what would stop it from becoming unstable?
>"What if it was impossible for chaos to exist?"
Then what would make that possible?
>"What if nothingness has structure?"
That's just called void. Space itself and mathematics are both constructs independent of true nothingness.

>Then what keeps the void stable?

From here only chaos and descendants of chaos can take hold. Even if you believe in a computable/deterministic/predictable universe, then the fact that any being in any universe is born without direct awareness (actual memories) of the inception of the cosmos implies that we're free to fantasize about creation myths. Even if it doesn't all descend from void, our ability to think and reason implies that our free will implies chaos.

I'm not telling you this because I want you to believe any given thing, I'm telling you this because I expect that you'll have a novel outlook on the question, "What keeps the void stable?" Few can.

>>19591658
If you don't follow any religion, but still believing in something like a god you can call yourself as Deist.

>>19591658
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/revelations_elitefamilyinsider.pdf

Try that. See if it resonates.

>>19591888
That's exactly what he needs to do, but not just pull anything that just sounds good.

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>>19591658
>>19591666
The information we take in from birth is designed to drive us away from God. Perhaps it would be easier to feel more spiritual after questioning/shedding the false notions we've all come to passively accept as "truth."
If you came to learn that all of reality is spiritual in nature, not physical, I'd imagine it to be pretty difficult to stay an athiest, etc.

The whole idea that we're on a physical ball and floating in space is a big ploy, having people only think about the physicality of things. It's understandable that this all sounds silly/crazy, but I recommend you look into flat earth theory.

Acute observation of the reality in which you live in and the shedding of lies will eventually lead to the conclusion that God exists.

A lot of people peddle bullshit, making actual truth difficult to come by. I highly recommend this channel as all proper explanations can be heard with enough patience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDBFhM_ViqM&list=PLmiAycMDMUDPGSb40Ry8kKmTWUh4DCfwf&index=19

>>19592318
lawofone.info
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta

it seems like the celts once knew the truth and it then got misinterpreted and a bit mixed up but still pretty close

http://isha.sadhguru.org/blog/lifestyle/music/mystic-chants-nirvana-shatakam/

>>19593151
Let me guess, you think the Bible is The Truth?

>>19593154
I've listened to sadhguru before. That would make sense because white people came from India. Maybe those ideas already existed and they transferred to us

You can just accept Jesus. That's it.

>>19592352
I've heard of this concept in terms of the id ego and superego in psychoanalysis. But I have never heard of the concept of using visuals to influence or communicate with the id. Do you have an example of what kind of visual is used or are you talking about like, art?

>>19591658
It's not a matter of what you want to be, dumbass.

>>19593624
What is it

>>19592318
God wasn't perfect, he was good and evil, wanting to rid himself of evil.

>>19593640
If you're able to lie to yourself and "believe" something you found on a shelf, then go ahead. You're just what Trump is looking for.

>>19593739
Lol

>>19593458

Visual imagery is just the language used by the subconscious, doesn't have to be art, it varies depending on the imprenting that the person has suffered through life, and it's also the reason you can't read in a dream or when you're lucid, speak verbally with a character in a dream and get a response, it doesn't understand any information coming from the auditive channel.

As an example, when you hypnotize someone to help him stop smoking, directly sending the suggestion "Everytime you hold a cigarette you'll feel nauseous" doesn't work. After some deepening i made my father visualize a comfort zone he's familiar with, a big mirror in front of him and then a pack of cigarettes.

"what brand is it?, describe the box to me" , "now please open the pack and take a cigarette", "don't make anything with it, just observe it carefully", "now bite a piece and chew it slowly, don't take your eyes from the mirror", "are you still chewing it?", "Don't swallow it, take another cigarette from the box and observe it carefully", "now bite a piece and chew it slowly, don't take your eyes from the mirror"

He chewed on 7 cigarettes when i decided it was ok to finally send the suggestion, his subconscious was already imprinted with a negative image of the cigarettes, the same with his superconscious with a negative stimulus (taste and texture), the two bigger systems would assimilate the suggestion sent to my father's self conscious instead of rejecting it like they would normally do.

As a sidenote, i made that script for my father because i know him and i know i could pull it off, but most people don't respond well to psycho-conflictive techniques, it's just an example to explain how communication happens when influencing those two systems.

>>19593684
Wasn't? Is it true he's dead? If not, you're going to hell.

>>19592378
Not convinced by this narrative. Sounds like we're giving ourselves too much importance... why would Demiurge focus so much on human beings as if we're the most important thing in the universe.

What is more probable is that this is all a pastime of God, a divine game. God pretending not to be God and then rediscovering himself as God.

>>19591658
Try Scientology OP. Most scientific religion, based on a science called Dianetics.

>>19591658
Christian. Thank me when youre in heaven.

Get saved, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fGxOCJCRpA

Jeshua or get fucked in the ass by demons, pick one!

I've come to realize that /x/ is just people LARPing through various spiritual topics so they don't have to face the fact that this mundane life is all they have.

try evidence. beliefs are stupid,

>>19594646
Thanks anon. You are singlehandedly the first person to correctly use that term on this board in a context that wasn't overt shitposting. It was even correct to the degree that it wouldn't hold the same intended meaning if replaced with the ordinary flame "roleplaying" from /x/'s past.

>>19594020
created by a science fiction author? haha you make me laugh like my name is jon jafari

Why not Satanism?

>>19591658
Be of no religion. Instead interpret directly for yourself what holy men like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, and so on talked about.

>>19591666
That's fair. We're living in a spiritually starved society. Most religions are dead husks of what they try to preach.

If you want a taste of true spirituality, start by going out into nature more. Doesn't it make sense that if you want to understand spirit, you go to the source of it? So nature is the most spiritually alive place you will find. So get out there, take walks, go for hikes in forests, go to the beach, etc. Let the pristine qualities of nature show you what spirit is.

What is spiritual must be directly experienced by you, otherwise it will not feel alive. Spirit must be a living reality. What else could it be?

look into

Pantheism
Panentheism
Deism
Pandeism

religions are just cool kid clubs. listen to your heart and be a good person to others and yourself. take a deep breath once a day and let the sun shine upon your face. thas it.

Did jesus bet when he went to the place where he condemn the people there? Aka sodomo or gomorro

>>19594659
>>19594814
Actually, CoS (Church of Scientology/Church of Satan) aren't that bad. Just like all other religions it is men made. And just like any other religion, there are 2 ways to approach it. Just like a casino. Are you the guest or the house?

The guest walks in because of the lights, the sounds and the famous name.
The guest hopes to have a great time, finds a seat and looks around and wonders who is the nights dealer. Maybe the guest makes some money.
The guest is always 4 steps behind and rarely wins.

The house carefully picks a place to built the casino. Then it picks a name for the joint that has class, so it attracts guests.
It spends lots of money on lights and catchy sounds, so guests are more likely to notice the place then other places.
Inside the slots and tables are strategy positioned, free drinks and beverages are offered, entertainment is provided in the form of sexy people and all over is the sound of coins, just to truly hypnosis the guest. Straight up magik, all to put the guest of balance. The guest won't stand a chance. From the moment the guest comes near the casino, it will forget it's goal. To walk away when profit is made.

So check CoS out. But learn the strategy of the casino owner, don't be the guest. Learn the magik used, and beat it. Don't be fooled by it.

>>19591658
Religion is all about community, the idea that it's personal is just a way for the community to say "it's ok to have your own spiritual power and relationships, so long as they don't contradict our collective spiritual relationship"

So find a religious community that you jive with, and forget about "but what if they're wrong" questions, you are not spiritually developed enough yet to concern yourself with that. Instead, you should try out how people at different religious services make you feel, and how the religious service itself makes you feel, and how that combination of things affects your state of mind and lifestyle.

Incorporation into a religious community can have remarkable effects on QoL and spiritual development for those that are geared for it.

Just know that it's also ok if you are antisocial or not currently socially inclined and want to go SPGTOW (spiritual person going their own way), but religious texts are probably better as supplemental to your development rather than textbooks or guides in that case.

>>19595106
Oh nvm this thread is already far too long, hope you found what you were looking for OP :)

>>19591658
Pantheist, heck create your own worldview

>>19591658
The one that practiced your forebeara. That's the right one for you. Learn to like it.

Radical Jihadism is a great and productive way to find your spiritual side.