God created evil and is therefore evil. Prove me wrong. Pro

Mackie and McCloskey can be understood as claiming that it is impossible for all of the following statements to be true at the same time:

(1) God is omnipotent (that is, all-powerful).

(2) God is omniscient (that is, all-knowing).

(3) God is perfectly good.

(4) Evil exists.

Any two or three of them might be true at the same time; but there is no way that all of them could be true. In other words, (1) through (4) form a logically inconsistent set. What does it mean to say that something is logically inconsistent?

>>19534654
>Pro Life Tip
I don't see how this helps the Pro Life cause.

There's a god of light and a god of darkness.

>>19534654
>God apparently awards evil acts

No mate, God rewards a selfish, dirty, animal abusing, child murdering, planet raping scum with the leaders and miserable existence they deserve. Hope this helps.

>>19534654
you saw that new rick and morty episode? where rick's and morty's "toxic" side gets divided from them and become new, slimy, disgusting rick and mortys? thats basically how the devil was created, god divided his evil personality traits from himself and that new creation is the devil.

thats also why >>19534663 all 4 points hold. God is omnipotent, but so is the Devil. and their fight for dominance is being fought on battle earth, and humans and their souls are what is being fight upon.

>>19534654
earth isn't God's domain, evil acts being awarded here is the Devil's work
also this >>19534663
God is almighty, all knowing, all powerful
he is simultaneously the best of the best and worst or the worst

>>19534654
It's just as likely that there isn't a God, that God didn't create evil, that God didn't create everything, that God didn't create anything at all and that evil simply doesn't exist. Whose to say that material wealth is a reward, let alone a reward from God?
>>19534663
Omnipotence is a paradox. That is, if God is all powerful, then you've made God powerless to be powerless. Problem solved.

>>19534654
God just does whatever he needs to get the job done. Like a kind butcher, taking no pleasure in his job of slaughtering all those animals. That's kind of how I think of it.

yeah well y'know that's just like your opinion man

>>19534654
evil is part of the greater good therefore god is good
now go to bed johnny

>>19534654
Free Will

karma and free will also the fact that we suffer under a illusion not the real soul is suffering its just like a dream no matter how much you suffer its irrelevant in reality.

>>19534851

Nice possibility! This is why I come to /x/. The possibilities are endless here!

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what's your point

He transcends good and evil.

>>19534654
There's no good and evil.

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>>19534654
>God apparently awards evil acts as The richest people on earth are evil too.

God is about divine punishment in the afterlife - not punishment in the material realm. People are welcome to pursue any fool's paradise they can conceive of - but everyone on this planet is on death row.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DZbXf0Fyn0

>>19535493
No good and evil vs millions dieing in pissing con test
Where the fug you get this logic cnn news

>>19534891
That would mean he is not omnipotent

>>19534851
>>19534876
>>19534883
>>19534891
>>19534970
>>19535609
>>19534654
>>19534841
... What is your definition of "God"? Christian zealotry might also readily be considered heresy to other religions, fyi.... Exclude such theocratic dogmatic assuages, please, and use a more benign and temperate explanation in your replies -- at least to me -- to reply to others as normally would be fine.

God is superstition.
There is no greater power. The universe is chaos that humans assign meaning to.

God does not reward nor bless evil acts. Those who submit to Satan and perform the evil acts he desires, Satan rewards them. Jesus was sinless and died for your sins so you wont go to Hell if you accept him as Lord which he is. If people reject God they will have to pay for their sins in Hell

>>19535644
I am surprised that no bible verses we attached to this. Or does that come next?

>>19535493
Only power and those too weak to seek it

>>19535493
>>19535656
Both of these are false

Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, if Jesus would worshiped him. Jesus rebuked him, Luke 4:8 "It is written you shall 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'". Satan still offers people rewards if they serve him, so no God does not support evil acts.

The Devil rules on Earth, he rules over the material world. We chose to experience free will and the knowledge of evil, because we thought it would be unfair to only act as God wants us to act without knowing the alternative. So the current world is for us to learn by consequences, and it isn't God that makes evil but us that chose to experience it. When God says it's over, this world will be gone and in the next evil and its knowledge won't exist. Then you'll understand that God has never been evil.

>>19535677
Doesn't get the Voldy reference.
Lmao

It is also a beautiful day.

the demiurge exists within his knowledge

If God is perfect and created us to be an image of him. And God is love right? Then we should all be loved and stop killing each other and yada yada. Shouldn't we harness all our intellect and good natural born hearts for each other, fellow pieces of this loving God? Then why are we not?
Why are we made with flaws that humanity can't overcome? Why are we built all fucked up and spill into a world we have now.

Everything good people fuck up.

>>19535684
Why does God Create a place called Earth in which he has no power?

If God made Earth did he make the other planets and other universes and solar systems? Or just ours? Then what about aliens then? He make those or they come from somewhere else?

Mankind was given authority by God to rule earth. However they disobeyed God and they were stripped of that authority. Satan only has temporary authority until God throws him into the pit forever.

>>19535767
But where is the proofs of this I see a lot of humans and no God's to back this theory up.

>>19534654
>prove me wrong
Evil is imaginary, it does not exist. It was a bunch of reason that caused unpleasant feelings. These unpleasant feeling made it easy for the reason that were causing them to just group them and give them a name like the basic human beings that we are. I would not think about it as the product of an intervention but the natural result of having a infinite set of possible results.

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>>19535640
>What is your definition of "God"?

I already showed you who God is in my post (>>19535609).

My definition of God wouldn't change who God is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6wmDBz8H_Q

>>19535745
>he thinks there's other planets and solar systems

>>19534654
*Man* created religion and the idea of god

therefore its all made up bullshits

>>19534876
this is just dumb

>>19535641
/thread

>>19536318
satan was cast down to earth, earth is satan's domain
what's not to get?
ask any damn evangelist

>>19535640
god is almighty, all knowing, all powerful
god is not for man to ever question or fathom
we are not meant to grasp the concept of god. ever
presumably we'll be able to come up with a definition for the consciousness and the subconsciousness
but god especially if he's real, never ever

How do you measure good if there's no evil ?

>>19536358
>what's not to get?
>ask any damn evangelist
its a bunch of stories *written by men*
its all fantasy fiction

>>19534811
christfag detected. Tell me more about your bible bro

>>19534654
god created every thng
god gave us freewill
evil existed but humans and angels chose to follow it

least we arent blind robots

>>19536381
that's what this whole damn thread is about!
we are discussing folklore
which may or may not be real, or only partly real
we are discussing god, the devil, good, and evil in all their traditional concepts

>>19536420
>we are discussing folklore
okay, fine. just so long as we are clear about that.

>>19534851
>god is omnipotent, so is the devil
Then hes not omnipotent, by definition. He they cant destroy the devil, then there is at least one major action they cant perform. Thus not omnipotent.

>"This sword can cut through anything. Anything at all. It cuts everything."
<"Can it cut this particular slab of rock?"
>"No, it can cut the rest of the things tho"
I hope we agree that the sword doesnt cut *all*.

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>>19534654

>Pro Life Tip: God apparently awards evil acts as The richest people on earth are evil too.

Wealth distribution as it is is a feature of our system not a flaw. Money is kind of like sorcery. It takes some to get more. The lower you are the harder it is to get some.

Rich people are "evil" because they are power hungry and bored.

>>19534654
He didn't create evil, He created free minds and bodies with the capacity for evil.

>>19534654
>Pro Life Tip: God apparently awards evil acts as The richest people on earth are evil too.

That's Satan, he is (or was) the ruler of this world until Christ died and rose again. There is a struggle now between light and dark.

You're completely theologically illiterate.

-evil comes into the world through free actors (humans, fallen angels)
-evil is not a created substance, it's the absence of anything good
-material wealth is not indication of God's blessing, that's a heresy perpetuated by protestants

>>19534663
God can create beings with free minds and bodies. They can do and cause evil, it does not contradict God. If God was all things and no other sentience with free agency existed, then yes, your set would be conclusively inconsistent. It's not the case though. Free agents exist.

>>19536734
>that's a heresy perpetuated by protestants
No, it's not. The Catholic leadership are probably the wealthiest "Christians" there are.

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>>19536734
Thank you for your comment. Hope it suits you well

>>19534654
Nah
Lucifer was just a salty lil bitch who didn't get his way
That fgt created evil.

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>>19536741
No one says living in the Vatican makes you holier. Case in point: it was common belief in the Middle Ages that hell was full of clergymen

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>>19534654
>"hey adam and eve dont eat that fruit or youll gain knowledge of evil"
>ignore warning and proceed to eat fruit
>gain capacity for evil
how is humanity not responsible for this?

>>19536812
Was cattle vs eating fruit please anon we didn't have a brain to make that decision it was like feeding grass to a cow. Not hard to accomplish.

>>19536812
Because god has no flaws and can fucking see the future. He obviously planned for it to happen. I mean, why the fuck else would an omnipotent being even create a fruit like that if he didn't want something like that to happen? At the very least he wasn't against the possibility.

>>19534654
It does not work like that.

>>19536812
It's knowledge of good and evil, in other words the capacity to discriminate between the two. Stupid faggot

>>19536869
>has no flaws
>planned for it to happen
pick one
>why the fuck else would an omnipotent being even create a fruit like that if he didn't want something like that to happen?
he created a choice. you cant have free will without choice. we utilized our free will and chose to know of evil. its our fault ya dingus.

>>19536741
Everything could be a blessing. Even the crucifixion of Christ

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>>19536852
>we didn't have a brain to make that decision
nice cop out. you sound like a woman desu. they can never take responsibility for their actions and always find something/someone else to blame but themselves.

>>19536908
>its our fault ya dingus
You can't just make statements like that, if you're truly interested in a discussion.

>>19536869
Omniscience involves the consideration of all possibilities if free will is involved.

>>19536906
>It's knowledge of good and evil, in other words the capacity to discriminate between the two
which would then mean anytime you commit an evil act you are aware of it beforehand meaning that you knowingly choose evil. now you have the choice.

>what is evil for me must be evil for god
u silly insect OP

>>19536959
Nice damage control. Your argument is fucking stupid. Because you know something is evil you're automatically compelled to do it?

>>19534654
First, consider the fact that Good and Evil are human things, when a dolphin rapes a dolphin we don't condemn it or send it to dolphin prison, because it doesn't know any better. Dolphins don't know about good and evil, and we don't expect them to because we know good and evil are human characteristics that define the ways we choose to act. If you are a good person we are taught that you will succeed in society, but really all being good does is not disrupt society and cause it to be destroyed. You can't have a society of only bad people otherwise the society would eventually collapse from the corruption, violence, and high crime rates etc. Being good allows to to live in the society, but not thrive in the society - that's not what being good promises at all. Being evil is condemned because we know that a society of all evil people will most likely if not certainly fail. However, if you are "evil" you might not have any problems taking advantage of those who are too quick to trust, or are kind and do things for others. You might use your evil nature to get what you want, and being evil might actually make you better at it. A higher percent of CEOs have psychopathic traits than the average population.

If you are alone you are more likely to do bad things, because you know that deep down, if you are evil you are more likely to succeed at a task. If you aren't being watched while taking a test, you cheat basically, or something similar. However, what if there was a way for a society to create the feeling within its citizens that they were actually always being watched? I think that this society would be much more likely to thrive because people would possibly be less likely to do evil things. A great way of getting citizens to believe this is either A) Big Brother bullshit, or B) Religion.

(1/2)

>>19536869
Even if He saw into the future and saw us failing that test, that still doesn't make Him responsible for our failures. It's like if you were a teacher and you knew a kid wasn't studying and he was going to fail the test this friday, it doesn't mean it's your fault for giving the test that he failed. By God's perfect understanding of the universe and all things, it was a fair test.

>>19536966

Religion and politics are extremely intertwined. Look at the modern pope! He used to be basically the political leader of the region. Look at our fucking currency. In God we Trust? Seriously? This isn't a coincidence that politics and religion are often so closely tied together, and the reason for it is that the strongest forms of government always use a tool to try to control the actions people take when they aren't being watched. You can't just watch everyone's actions all the time, because people have to actually watch it, and that's man power and money that we don't have. So you have to convince the citizens that they are always being watched regardless. For everyone to always be watched all at the same time all the time, you would need either an extremely good computer program that doesn't currently exist, or an omnipotent being of a higher dimension that will punish you for being a bad boy.

So uh, yea, God isn't evil because he's just a construct of human creation by evil people who want to freak other people out so they can be controlled more easily.

>>19536964
>Because you know something is evil you're automatically compelled to do it?
not exactly. being an imperfect being means that you are going to be compelled to choose evil at some point. that doesnt mean every evil is compelling, just what pertains to your personality and what you are weak to. only a perfect being can choose to do good consistently without fail.

>>19534663
>it is impossible
>thinking with this logic
Tetralemma

>>19536987
It was still a test that god decided to give to us. A teacher gives tests to their students for a reason. God gave us this test, knowing that we would fail since the test's creation, even before the test's creation, yet he still decides to give us the test? For him to still choose to give the failing test, then it must have been one that wasn't REALLY a failing test, in his eyes it had to be a good thing that we "failed" since god is not evil. Therefore, we didn't really fail the test.

>>19536799
"Protestants" don't believe God blesses you with money, however. Maybe some do, but "Protestantism" isn't a very meaningfully category. There are probably Catholics out there that believe God blesses people with money as well.

Please, If y'all are talking about Abraham's God then use his name.

>>19536997
God gave us the test for a reason as well, and we failed it. Him knowing we would have failed it doesn't take our responsibility away. Should God only test us in ways He knows we will pass? What is the point of the test if there is no possibility of failure?

>>19536382
He's not a christfag, we don't want him

>>19537005
I guess I just don't understand why god, a fully omnipotent being with supposed complete control over our actions (Something I know people believe since we pray for rogue groups to stop killing people, pray for family or friends to understand something, or see the light, aka make the right choices) So if you believe God can help people make the right choices, why didn't he stop us from failing this test if he knew that like billions of people would die because some people are evil as fuck?

>>19534654
>as The richest people on earth are evil too
If you seriously equate material gain with godliness you are truly an idiot
The elite are those who chose to trade their souls for dirt.

>>19536997
God tests individuals to build their character.
without tests an individual cant grow.
passing these tests helps to strengthen our positive attributes and failing them highlights our weakness so we can know where to work on improvement.

>>19536966
>>19536989

Bruuuh

>>19534654
actually God created angels to serve Him, one of the angels was Lucifer which chose to act on his own, creating free will. That free will was later passed down to man which used it for evil acts such as killing and disobeying.
So it was ultimately Lucifer that showed man evil and rewards those that follow it.

>>19537054
Angels are not canon

>>19537060
I'm not following your edited catholic knockoff of a religion anon

>>19537014
>supposed complete control over our actions
this isnt true tho. he doesnt completely control everyone. if he did we wouldnt have free will.
>So if you believe God can help people make the right choices, why didn't he stop us from failing this test
again free will. he can impede us from making the wrong choices and try to lead us to the right ones, but in the end it falls on us to make the choice ourselves not him. he cant choose for us. you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink friend.

>>19537066
>strawman
Angels are a corruption of zoroastrians teaching that the jews used to make their bimb-o-limpo.
There are messengers, it doesn't matter what or who they are but the message they hold.
Hierarchy is heresy

>>19534654
god is the source of good and evil and as such is both and neither

>what is non-duality

>>19537089
>zoroastrians teaching
so you dont believe in the bible?

>>19537018
This. The fact that the rich elitists of the world are engaged in incredibly evil things is more proof towards the Bible than not. That is literally what Satan promises to Jesus if He were to worship him, riches.

Btw children, don't take this to mean you should sell your soul to satan. Temporary glory on Earth is not worth eternal hellfire. Believe me, you will regret it for an eternity if you do it.

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>>19537104
>god is the source of good and evil and as such is both and neither
you just went full retard son

>>19537060
Angels are canon.

>>19534654
There is no evil you narrowminded pleb.

Just like there is no cold or darkness in science - there is only heat or light. You can measure heat or light but you can't measure cold or darkness because there is no such thing - they are only human made term mostly used only by simple minded or uneducated... just like "evil".

so please return back to school or 9gag

>>19537106
>Believing
That's evilish. I don't like it
>>19537118
And you're right

>>19537117
haha read more faggot

Imagine a multiverse where God is 1) unwilling or unable to control people directly, and 2) trying to redeem Lucifer. What would happen? How many things would have to go wrong before they started to go right?

>>19534654
Think of it not like God created both. God kept creating and naturally better things came along like evolution. The richest people on earth have harder time being happy because they need a lot to be happy. You take all of what they have and they will probably kill themselves. People who are good and progressively realised what they need to be able to be happy, they wont lose much.

Or you can think of it like God is omnipotent and omniscient but space keeps getting expanded so God cannot be in that new space immediately so that space has absence of God. Also every time someone rejects God he loses influence on the universe. If you reject God's help, you won't have his help when you die and you go to where he is not able to reach you.

The real deal here is if you don't practice what you call good, you wont be able to feel God and he can't help you.

>>19537122
>there is no evil if you don't exist to experience evil as evil
>fire wouldn't burn if you just didn't have a body that can be burned, problem solved

what a lazy fucking non-answer, is this your enlightened millennial investigation into the nature of fucking evil of all things? that's all you got dipshit?

just because they're human constructs doesn't mean evil as such is not a universal concept in the symbolic field you fucking git

>>19534654
If you lived in the Soviet Union, Communism would seem to be the natural state of things. Prove me wrong, I tell you.

But what if someone told you that things are different elsewhere?

>>19537122
Darkness is the absence of light in science.
Coldness is the absence of heat in science.

Is evil the absence of goodness?

>>19534841
>selfish
>dirty
>animal abusing
>child murdering
That isn't exclusive to humans you edgy 13 year old fuck tard.
>planet raping
Got me on that, though.
>miserable existence they deserve
Not everyone is a terrible person that supports greed and destruction like you think. Not everyone owns corporations or has enough money to tear down entire ecosystems. Stop generalizing all of us as cancer.

Oh, and if any other animal species became intelligent like us, they'd do exactly the same shit we did. Prove me wrong.

P.s you're human too. If you hate us so much, kill yourself.
P.s You're using the internet, on your computer, in your house. All created by humans. You use things by humans, you own things by humans, you're interested in things humans have created, and you are human. You're a fucking hypocrite if you're going to sit here and cry about how shit we are when you use our creations. If you really want to be a sad pathetic cunt that hates everyone and everything, go live out in the woods. Make sure you don't build a house, though, since we created those. Make sure you don't use anything our primal ancestors used, since we created those. Make sure not to use weapons to defend yourself against animals or create any, since we created those.

>>19537125
>>Believing
>That's evilish. I don't like it
what?

>>19536966
Your post is stupid and you should feel bad. Dolphins raping other dolphins IS condemned by human morality. They're sapient, we don't know they don't comprehend the deed, and indeed they might. We don't bother punishing them because they're beneath us. Nobody has that kind of time or money. Eventually, humanity might be bored and rich enough to create a race of rapeless dolphins, probably as a sideline to a general cetacean uplift project.

Good people do really well in society. There is security in decent practices. It isn't a path to the top, but it is a path to the very nicest parts of the middle.

If being alone makes you more likely to do bad things, that makes you a bad person. I'm dramatically more likely to do bad things in proximity to others. They pressurize my nature, punishing my native preferences and rewarding things worse than my preferences. This is basically how you can tell if someone is truly good or truly bad. Does the proximity of others make them better or worse? If the proximity of others makes someone better, they are a bad person. If the proximity of others makes someone worse, they are a good person.

Basically nothing in your post isn't flawed. You should feel bad and rethink your life.

>>19537122
>you can't measure things that are supposed to be unmeasurable to us
>somehow this proves that they don't exist
Humans don't make terms, they just remember them or not, forget them or knot
>>19537150
Believing is destructive. It makes people follow the moon, lunatics, fanatics.
Those who believe lose the little knowledge they have (this includes the knowledge of God).

>>19537141
yes

>>19537126
>haha read more faggot
those books youre reading sure are damaging your ability to logic. you must be a college student at berkeley.

>>19537195
haha yeah those german idealists, tumblrinas love them!

>>19537168
>Believing is destructive
not intrinsically. it depends on what you believe in.
>>19537168
>Those who believe lose the little knowledge they have
maybe thats a good thing. gotta empty your cup to fill it senpai. the little knowledge you hold may be wrong and interfering with you seeing the truth.

>>19537168
Believing is not destructive or we wouldn't have science to begin with. The true faith must be decided with an open mind and clear thought or all of the messages would turn out to be indoctrination. One person might say what God told him to do, but not what others should do. You are free of following the idea of someone and if you are mentally ready for it you might accept it or not. When you think with a clear head free from egocentric beliefs you will see who is right or wrong without manipulation.

The true call never comes from others but from within yourself. This is what is called the Divine Spark. Joanne of Arc is a good example.

>>19537074
Humans did not have free will in the garden of eden though. see this http://abraham.lib.virginia.edu/sjsr/issues/volume1/number2/sjsr01-02-e03.html

>>19536812
If they didn't have knowledge of good and evil, they didn't know disobedience was wrong, and couldn't forsee consequence. Therefore, condemning humanity for uninformed action is completely wrong.

In conclusion, your religion is wholly bogus.

Get rekt.

>>19537305
>Humans did not have free will in the garden of eden though
they did tho otherwise they wouldnt have chosen to eat the fruit like they were specifically instructed not to. that was an exercise in free will ya dingus.

>>19537005
Why would you "test" something you already know?

For that test to be an actual test, god should have made it so that it would NOT know what would happen.

But no, it was not a test, it was a play. With adam and eve playing the roles god put for them.

Meaning that humans are just toys.

>>19537327
>uninformed action
but they were informed. God told them that if they ate the fruit they would die. he specifically stated the consequence of their actions so there was no need on their part to foresee anything. they knew the consequence;, they knew that eating the fruit would cause their death yet they still chose to eat it.

>>19537376
read my post >>19537028

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>>19537378
>but they were informed. God told them that if they ate the fruit they would die.

You mean, god lied to them. Because they didn't die.

My argument still stands. Yield now, and avoid further ridicule; you gullible, non logical person.

>>19537426
Adam and Eve did die.

>>19537428
Not because they ate the fruit. According to the story they died of old age, after having sons. Keep it up.

>>19537378
>God told them that if they ate the fruit they would die
>they would die
no he didn't

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>this and every thread to do with the bible on /x/

Can we please make a containment board for this shit.

>>19537453
Were they going to die in the garden before eating the fruit?

>>19537453
Instead of living for all eternity with God, they died of old age. Which wasn't the original plan.

>>19534654
>God created evil

The flaw in your argument is your precept that God created evil. You haven't proven that to me yet.

>>19537487
The mods pefer it here that's ok it's enjoyable to read.

>>19537426
>Because they didn't die.
but they did die. eating the fruit is what caused them to age and eventually die.
>>19537457
>no he didn't
genesis 2:17
"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die"

>>19537487
>Can we please make a containment board for this shit.
go back to your vampire larp thread and take your fedora with you.

>>19534663
>>19534654
Mackie and McCloskey are tossers.
God canbe omnipotent and omniscient while being good, but evil may still exist as it may perform certain function God takes into account. Even with omnipotence and omniscience there may be goals existence of evil furthers the best.

Aside from that, omnipotence and omniscience of a god aside, we're not omnipotent or omniscient. And evil may very well be something we made by ourselves for ourselves as per free will provided by the deity and taking out the results could be seen as fucking with that free will and consequences of one's action - questionable, especially when majority of people don't honestly ask for guidance and whatnot, they just want it easy.

>>19537521
The only thing I am reading from this are a lot of challenges and tests. It's not easy to go away from fear but those who do are way better for it. I encourage you to try it is worth knowing pieces of a whole puzzle.

>>19534654
No, you're right. This universe is a hell.

>>19534654
Your father created you and therefore your farther is a faggot

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>>19537557
>It's not easy to go away from fear but those who do are way better for it. I encourage you to try it is worth knowing pieces of a whole puzzle.
what?

>>19534654
Right. And because we don't know, the cat is both alive and dead. Ffs. Perception is not confirmation.

>>19537543
You're outnumbered here and yet you cunts are the loudest and most obnoxious and retract from any actual paranormal discussion with your babby's first bible study shit

Hurrrr mug fedora praise jeebub

>>19537509
>Which wasn't the original plan.

God knew what would happen, yet didn't change it. How is that not the original plan then?

Thing happened how god wanted. Face it, god wanted this clusterfuck to happen.
Or, your religion is bogus.

>>19537333
Lol read this link I sent bro, even do a basic google search and you will see that you are wrong.

>>19534654
So, if I create a person, who ends up committing evil decades later, I'm evil according to your thought process. It discounts relativity. And places perception as the paradigm for confirmation. Then germs aren't real. And atoms are science fiction.

>>19537587
>retract from any actual paranormal discussion
yeah like all the great tulpa, how to summon a succubus, vampire larp, magick, tarot threads on this board right? real profound paranormal discussion going on there. keep tippin that fedora senpai youre sure to get respect from your peers in no time.

>>19537614
It's preferable to these threads because at least succubi get my WILLY hard and that's why I made this universe

Captcha: bananas

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>>19534654
you created this fake deep post and therefore are a pseudo intellectual

>>19534654
I believe - like a few Anons have suggested - that God is not omnipotent and that the devil is either just as powerful as He is or is somehow unable to be predicted by Him. Assuming there is a God, of course.

>>19537596
>Thing happened how god wanted.
but they didnt. things happened how humanity wanted. he gave us the free will to choose as such. if things always went God's way all the time then we wouldnt have free will would we? that would mean we were drones under his complete control but we arent. we have the ability to choose our own path in spite of what God desires for us.

>>19537596
He knew it would happen. But saying he wanted it to happen is a stretch.

>>19537613
God created a thing that he knew would make Adam evil and he knew he would eat, becoming evil, and he created the concept of evil so he would become that when he ate the magic evil fruit

Ergo evil

Its a more reasonable conclusion to land on than rereading the same fantasy novel over and over thinking "hmmm what is the deep symbolism here much mystirius berry deep"

>>19537453
The only reason sin and pain exist is because they ate the fruit. They would have lived forever if they hadn't done as the snake suggested.

>>19534654
He doesn't know everything, as his fucked up creations proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, now stop longing for the lost father figure and embrace the earth.

>>19534654
Allah said he created evil. He is the greatest at everything. So he is the greatest at being evil.

>>19534654
>implying you aren't evil yourself

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>>19537666
It really is a state of mind if it was so easy to decided the real truth behind it you either do and find out or you don't and stay the same. You don't loose going with either options it's a matter of choice. You can be happy either way.

>>19537620
>It's preferable to these threads because at least succubi get my WILLY hard and that's why I made this universe
this is why society rejects you and you try to create a safespace on a ancient sinhalese stone scripture board.

>>19537712
Keep going for the low blows, I get off on abuse. Pls whip my ass and tell me all about sky daddy

>>19537647
How could adam choose against what god already knew would happen?

I urge you to yield, before you further expose yourself as a person of reduced intellect.

>>19537649
He didn't want to change it, did he?

>>19537732
>how can adam choose against choosing the choice hes going to make?!
now youre not even trying to make any rational argument. just trolling at this point. im done responding. good day.

Adam was God's man whore. Adam was gay and sucked Steve's dick behind God's back. That's why it's Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve.

>>19537860
To be fair Adam didn't know good from evil until after the fact. They were made pure good and were tricked by a third party into learning good from evil

You don't rub a dog's face on the carpet after it pisses because it won't learn

Human history has been God rubbing our face in piss for millenia because of one slip-up tailored to fuck us over

>>19537860
It was a valid question. Why can't you accept you have no argument, and lost the debate?
Does losing an internet debate hurt you so much?

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>>19537966
>You don't rub a dog's face on the carpet after it pisses because it won't learn
Actually works pretty well. That's how I got my werewife to stop shitting everywhere.

>>19538003
Ok correction: it only works if you do it immediately after

I don't remember if the bible implies passage of time after the fruit eating but the point is we're doGs to God

>>19537999

Can you elaborate on the question you asked the person

>>19534654
God created good and is therefore good.

>>19534654

initially reading this, op's statement sounds like it makes sense on the surface. god did create what eventually forged moral goodness, and in turn, moral evil. in religious theory, if it exists, god played a part in making it. however, i doubt that god is inherently evil just based on the fact that evil exists.

god didn't necessarily create evil, good, and every moral area or emotion individually; he just created humans, and humans naturally created what would become the good versus the evil of the mortal world, simply by existing as themselves and being social creatures and having emotions and opinions. god has the original blueprints for everything that makes us who we are, so i can only imagine he knew that morality and emotions and all that human drama would come into play eventually.

he also probably knew that as humans, we were eventually bound to make mistakes and fall (that's part of our nature and part of how we learn), but he gave us free will anyways. it's part of his promise to us to have mortal life and to be creatures of free agency on the earth for whatever time we have. he kicked out lucifer, who was among the most influential angels of heaven, because lucifer didn't want us all to have free agency and wanted every human to be mortally perfect, and in turn, never learn anything or experience anything significant as mortals.

as a side-note, we're supposedly created in his image, which i can only assume means that if god shares any resemblance to us, he cannot be perfect. in a way, you could say that god really is NOT all-powerful; he chose to give it up when he gave us free agency, since he clearly doesn't often interfere with the actions of man.

tl;dr: just because evil exists doesn't mean god WANTS evil to exist, just like how humans don't want evil to exist. it's just a consequence of free agency and the nature of humanity as a whole, and god can't do anything about it. it's our sacred debt for being free.

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>>19537587
We don't care if we're outnumbered by a bunch of faggots like you.

Go back to your LARP threads.

>>19537620
*snorts in derision*

>>19534811
You should have no gods before him.

>>19534654
>The richest people on earth are evil too.

>Earth
>eternal reward

pick one

>>19535609
I like it. Crept me out a bit.

>>19534654
The only bad/evil thing you can do in this world is killing yourself.
Everything else is fine.

>>19534654
God created free will therefore you can choose to be good or evil without evil there cannot be good

>>19535656
Kek

>>19534654
When talking about God you must be more specific than a three letter word

>>19534851
PICKLE RICK

>>19535739
Sounds like LIBERAL BULLSHIT TO ME

>>19534851
PICKLE RICK

God is all that is. Everything is just illusion. There is evil because we want to know. Because God loves us so he lets it happen. Love is the impulse to want it. Without love no will!

>>19534654
Einstein made nuclear bombs... is Einstein a nuclear bomb?
No.
Don't be retarded.

>>19534654
Material things cannot be brought into the afterlife. If that is all you are, seeking materialism, you will never find peace

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>>19538224
God chooses to allow evil to exist.
Surely as a omnipotent God he could have prevented it if he cared to. Argue free will all you want to. That means God lets children get raped just to prove he has forgiveness for the evil doers should they choose to be forgiven.

>>19534654

Good and evil are concepts created by man to justify God's machinations.

You're right

>>19534654
God did not create evil
Evil is an act done by sinfull beings whom have knowledge of good and evil in effect evil is disobediance of god which is an act

>>19534841
You get an a

Hot and cold are not objects, they are values imposed on temperature.
Fast and slow are not objects, they are values imposed on speed.
Good and evil are not objects, they are values imposed on objects.

Even if you base this idiotically in the Christian view, when God created everything he saw that it was good. Thus God did not create evil. It wasn't until we developed the ability to impose our own values - the knowledge of good and evil - that evil was placed on things.

>>19534851

if both the devil and god are omnipotent then God will never defeat the devil and hence the bible is a lie.

>>19538306

no God before him unless it's Jesus. that's fine cus you know the old testament had to be changed. thanks pope!

>>19543265
No it is miss read. Think they know what is what, but they don't know what is what.

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>>19534654
>2017
>God

>>19534654
If you believe in god you also then believe in free will because free will is also a creation of god. Hurr durr you dumb faggot.

>>19534654
https://youtu.be/0GVo35yhdBc?t=416
what >>19543365 said

>>19534654
simple logic you dumb boi
god didn't create evil
evil is a by product of anything with free will being a shit baby
people have there own blood sweat and tears to carve there own life into what the fuck ever they deem fit
they want to follow the word all power to them
all things considered you will face god in the end

>>19535656
helmkamp go home

itt retards who think they can understand god while they can't cook a simple meal or change a tire

kill yourself you fucking subspecies

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>>19534654
Ok, I'll show you what OP means. Here are some examples how God could avoid every problem without evil:

1.
>And now I create man and woman!
>While they're gonna be free, I create them good, like me. Things like evil (lol, what is evil anyway? I'm good and free, so I don't even know what sin or evil is...) will never exist!
>I'm such a good God. :D

2,
>I told these guys not to eat from that tree
>Should I punish them? Should I allow evil or sin exist (even though they "sinned")?
>Nah! I'm a good God who would never allow such things.
>Instead of punishing my created children I'll talk to them and explain everything - about life, the universe and everything, so they won't have to do "bad" stuff again

3,
>I'm omnipresent, omniscient and perfectly good
>If I'll create the "A" type of humans, they'll fall
>I know this because I know the future and everything
>So instead of these imperfect / sinful beings (even though they'll sin later, in the garden), I'll create "B" type of humans, who'll also be free, but will never sin
>So I can avoid a lot of problems

4,
>While I could send my only son to the Earth to teach them stuff and then act as a blood sacrifice...
>Wait, no! I simply send a lot of smart and immortal angels to every city, town and village to teach humans how to be good and loving
>Also there is no such thing as Hell, because I'm a good God, so Jesus don't need to rescue people from there
>Also there is no death, because I'm not a dick. Why would I want to kill my own creations?

Etc, etc...

>>19534883

nice paradox. seriously.

>>19535609

You thump your bible so hard. but tell me, what proof do you have of the bible being the actual word of God? if you can prove this , I will convert and preach the gospel. if not then you are just role playing.

>>19534654
God created free will.

Finite sentient beings created evil.

God redeemed that evil so those beings could continue to exist, because an Infinite being can be only One. Therefore if any other being is to be allowed to exist, it must be finite, therefore flawed, therefore evil, therefore redeemed.

It's the only way God can have company.

>>19535644

Jesus was sinless? how the fuck would you know that???! there is not even proof that he existed by the historians of those times. the bible was written about 300 years after his supposed birth... The USA isn't even 300 years old. If in 50+ years from now they wrote a book about Washington how accurate would it be? and then wait another 2000 years and see how much people fuck up the story more so.

if God wanted to communicate with you he would do so thru a dream or an epiphany brought on by meditation, definitely not by some butchered book published by a corrupt pope and ruthless king.

>>19542225
I agree, but I'd say good and evil are values imposed on acts. There are good acts; there are bad acts. Objects can't be good nor bad without ba or good acts. Acts are not good or bad by themselves, but once values are imposed on these acts we can determine whether it is good or bad. Other than that I wholly agree with your argument, though you can take it further and develop some ideas further.

Ultimately what this issue boils down to is this.
>is god good
>is god all powerful
>is god all knowing
God is good. Good is powerful. He creates. But he is powerful enough to create things that are not good. He knows these things will not be good. But he creates them anyways and allows them to pursue goodness, i.e. through acts of goodness they will eventually understand what goodness is. Just because he knows, creates things that can act not good, does not mean he isn't powerful or all-knowing. It just means he created something capable of acts that are not good. But again, those acts are just acts in themselves, they are not good or bad until we as humans impose those values as good or bad.

>>19535682

>using bible quotes as proof.

doesn't realize the bible is published by Satan himself

>>19545055
>nice paradox. seriously.
That's how you KNOW it's God, because it's a paradox. If something is impossibly contradictory, yet exists nonetheless, that can only have being if the One who created the rules decided to break them.

>>19534654
>God rewards evil
Nice bait fucktard, funny how God's rewards are only in the afterlife and not in this one

>>19545128
>good and evil are values imposed on acts.
I was using object as opposed to subject, not as in a physical object. Acts are objects as well in this context: that which a subject experiences. Acts, events, people, things - all these things we place values upon. People certainly place the value of good or evil on physical objects though.

>Ultimately what this issue boils down to is this.
>is god good
But this is the start of the short circuit. "Is God good" doesn't mean anything more than "Is God aligned to my values?"

>>19534654
The Devils greatest trick was to get people to worship it, call it 'God', and kill eachother in its name.

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>>19534654
different and challenging perspectives are vital, i think, like if you didnt speak english, would you talk about the nuances of god differently? Prolly.

>>19534654
Op created a faggot thread and is therefore a faggot?

God is pure good and love everything else in contrast is "evil"

>>19534654
>prove me wrong

God is an infinite, all-knowing, omnipotent being and yet you somehow, for some reason, think you can confine him to human logic or the laws of this physical universe.

You cannot understand God, so stop trying.

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Ormazd is the God of all that is good, and Ahriman is the God of all that is bad.

>>19536358
Why did he cast them to earth though, why not some other place. Like say mars?

>>19534654
can't prove you wrong, because this is the truth

the question is: how do we kill god?

>>19537518
Isaiah 45 7 biyaatch

>>19537613
>Perception as paradigm for confirmation
But can it truly ever be debunked?

>>19543277
Isn't Jesus God himself?

>>19534654
God created good and thus is good.


Quit using dualistic human morals to Judge a God. You are beneath God in every respect. The only reason to lash out at him like this is to better understand him. Good luck anon, it's quite the ride.

>>19537149
OMG you spent all that time writing that. FAG. Hahaha. Absolutely fucking non sequiter in every way too. Fact is, you're a godlesscunt and you're going to fucking burn. Bye bye.

>>19534654
What is 'evil'?

>>19535609
What does the afterlife look like?

>>19544591
>Then there's this person who thinks you can understand The Divine by being in the world

>>19534654
The Bible is fiction.

/thread

>>19537149
It is their job to distract you with suffering and traps. They are the ones who have to serve the world though some are neutral. Most of them understand the world more than most because they embrace the spirit, I think they traded their freedom for the truth though, they're also probably the only ones that get free rein and get to ascend anytime they want after doing their job. The fake Elites fall in traps all the time though.

>>19534663
The contextualization of 'perfectly good' and 'evil' within a human context is ridiculous if applied to the character of an eternal deity. The concept of purgatory, for instance, allows for a perfectly good God that wants to allow their creation to reach the same conclusions they made through mortal failings and spiritual penitence before enjoying eternal life. Since all the suffering is temporary and part of a healing process, it can't discount 'perfectly good' outright.
The Problem of Evil is half a damn century old and has seen more counterarguments than it has premises to expound upon.

>>19535609
Can you explain this pic?

Also, I guess that includes you being in death row as well good, sir.

>>19537074

the true answer is the gnostic answer. that the god of the bible is actually Satan and the Talking Snake is actually the goddess trying to save us from eternal slavery to Satan. This is how we attained free will by biting the hand that fed us.

yo right.. cause.. god is evil

>>19534654
Let's assume God was evil for a moment.. according to your logic:

Evil God created everything that exists. Including good and evil.

Evil God created good and is therefore good.

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>>19534851
hmm.. sounds like ive heard this one before..

>>19534654
you created a shit therefore you are shit