Does alchemy really works?

>>19534580
intrinsically understand chemistry makes it easier to realize how it affects your body, not just knowing how chemistry works, but "feeling" it happen inside of you. It inspires you to eat healthier and exercise so you work the nutrients into your bones, you know? Helps you live longer and not go senile.

>>19534619
You know, I was talking more on the side of occultism.

That guy seems like a dork. It sounds like you dodged a very slow moving bullet. But also alchemy does not work.

>>19534762
Master chemistry first then get into alchemy.

>>19534580
>>does alchemy really work?
No, retard.

>>19534580
It does but we forgot how it is done. Alchemy is similar how we take modern medicine today. Our bodies react to certain elements and those give an effect. Some people have allergies others don't. Doesn't mean everyone else will be poisoned by peanuts if one person is.

Yes, "Alchemy" does work, however, its is slightly different than what most people think it is.

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>>19538052
It all comes from extremely ancient knowledge(/Ancient Alchemy) of over 15,000 years ago.

It is unknown when Ancient Science(/Alchemy) originated, but since the very beginning of our available recorded history, it has always been hidden in pieces, in the form of art and ancient relics.

Later few of those pieces of ancient knowledge/truth were used and twisted by people to create religions and even current science and technology.

The symbols of Ancient Alchemy are The Seed/Flower/Fruit of Life, and Egg of Life; Star Tetrahedron(/Stellated octahedron).

Alchemy is the art/science of Comprehending(which then enables to control, manipulate and even transmute) the Laws of Nature and The Universe.

Everything Natural in this Universe, including Numeral(/Number Base) Systems and Mathematics, always follows same, fixed, sets of patterns. Alchemy is the study of those patterns of nature, and then applying the understanding of those patterns to control the understood nature, or another nature it affects.

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>>19538090
Pythagoras, then Empedocles, later Aristotle, (and others) were alchemists. They tried to revive the Ancient Alchemy, but also to keep it hidden(to avoid abuse of it), developing systems, spreading hints and hidden knowledge, fully understood only by those who understand its basics.

Pythagoras' knowledge of alchemy comes from Hermes(Egyptian Thoth), or more properly said, The Ancient Alchemy Schools of Egypt and The Eye of Thoth, of the same origin as, The Ancient China's Alchemy(origin of Ancient Martial Arts), "Cultivation" of one by comprehending The Laws of The ALL(Dao) to reach Immortality, control over nature, and later, maybe even complete control over the Universe(/create their own before leaving). Also of the same origin as India's Vedic Math/Science/Mysticism.

If you are interested to understand alchemy, try to research them* all a little, connect the dots, and find their common origin. Remember to look for the "Earlier", not the "Later" origin of each.

* "Egypt's Thoth,China's Tao(/Dao), India's Vedic Math/Science/Mysticism"

It is extremely easy to find if you know what youre looking for, as the main base pieces of that origin(/ancient knowledge) are open to the public, and many times even infront of everyones eyes, without you realizing it.

The Origin of Ancient Alchemy(symbolized/represent in the form of The Seed/Flower/Fruit/Egg of Life) from all over the world, is of One, same Origin, that goes long before our publicly open, recorded history. Sadly, most of the hidden and restored Ancient Knowledge has burned along with the Ancient Library of Alexandria.

Now only few know the truth, and of how Ancient Alchemy really works.
So it is literally impossible to find any 'beginner' books for it, etc..
And even before that, it has been a tradition to keep the basics of it unwritten, as a test.

Those who reach the understanding of those basics, are qualified to advance and study it.

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>>19538052
>>19538090
>>19538099
9 and 0 are the interconnecting center points. 9 has no place anywhere but the very center. All numbers patterns go through it in the beginning/end and the middle of their cycle.
Example:
(0or9)1234(9)5678(9)
(0or9)4837(9)2615(9)
(0or9)7531(9)8642(9)

In base-10, 9 cant be + nor -, 9 is the very definition of neutral/complete.
3 is a stable -, it cant be "+",
6 is a stable +, it cant be "-".
9 is the whole outside and the nothing inside.
3 and 6 are everything in between.
9(absolute) created the limited 8(something/matter) which created the gap or 1(nothing/space) to 9.
The difference between 8 and 1 is equal to 3 and 6 which are the two stable opposites.
3 created 2 and 4.
6 created 5 and 7.

2 4 5 7 are the actions, ÷ - + ×, they change between eachother to create change between matter and space.

7 and 2 are the flipped complement of the same, an axis.
4 and 5 are the flipped complement of the same, an axis.

2 and 5 are the complementing opposites of the same, axes flip.
4 and 7 are the complementing opposites of the same, axes flip.

3 and 6 are everywhere in between complementing the numbers(natures) into 9 as a counter/balance point.

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>>19538090
This symbolism is everywhere.

Most people think of alchemy as science, transmuting matter, but really alchemy is the transmutation of the soul, of the human him/herself.

This anon is right. Alchemy is the Ancient Science - Sacred Geometry, Harmonic Proportion, and Symbolism. These tenants of the Ancient Science can be found throughout the geometry and proportion of ancient sites across the world, it's also the basis for Freemasonry and the original Illuminati.

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>>19538052
>>19538090
>>19538099
>>19538110
3 and 6 are also the clockwise and anti(/counter)-clockwise spirals space between fields/matter.
2 4 5 7 are the directions of those spirals(not spaces between)
And 9 are the solid matter/lines of the spirals.

1 and 8 are, the unchanging relation, the position between space and matter, or the depth.
1 and 8 are a still unchanging axis. If it flips upside-down, so does everything else, without anything changing in between, as long as its originally inplace.
Theres a state of chaos where 1 and 8 are flipped creating disorder, an easy example of it is full repetend prime division, like 1/7 = (142857) or (..857142..), if you flip 1 and 8 it will go back into order, (..157842..)

An Egyptian Mythology:
One of the most prominent myths concerning the moon relates its cycle to the battle between Horus and Set. During this famous battle over the inheritance of Osiris, Set steals the (left) eye of Horus, damages it, and divides it into Six parts. Thoth (with the help of other gods) later restores it by using his "wisdom".

The number 7 represents the god Set or Seth.
The number 7 and the alphabetic letter Z are both derived from the same icon. They're both pictures of the uas or was, Seth Scepter.

1 divided by 7 gives you the the 6 digits of the eyes pattern 0.( 1 4 2 8 5 7 )co

Wisdom of Thoth is the pattern( 5 7 8 4 2 1 ) by which Thoth turns the fragment of the divided eye from 7(death/chaos) back into a new eye/One(or 64mod9) of a Perfect system.

That Wisdom of Thoth, flipped heaven(1) and earth(8), upside down, to restore harmony from chaos.
( 1, 4, 2, 8, 5, 7 ) into ( 8*, 4, 2, 1*, 5, 7 ),
OR (.. 5 7, 8 4 2 1 ..)

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>>19538052
>>19538090
>>19538099
>>19538110
>>19538140
(All of these were me on my mobile forgot to add name)
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Base-2: 0,1
Base-3: 0,1,2 OR -1(2), 0, +1(1)
Base-4: 0, 1, 2, 3 OR -1(2) 3or0 +1(1) OR binary 0=0, 1=3{1,2} OR charge: -, ( * ), +
...
Base-10: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 OR -4(5), -3(6), -2(7), -1(8) 9or0 +1(1) +2(2) +3(3) +4(4) OR binary 0=0, 1=9{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8} OR charge: -, ( + ), +, -, ( * ), +, -, ( - ), +

The Fibonacci Sequence:
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, 1597, 2584, 4181, 6765, 10946, 17711, 28657, 46368, ...

Fibonacci Sequence Mod9:
{ 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 4, 3, 7, 1, 8, 9, 8, 8, 7, 6, 4, 1, 5, 6, 2, 8, 1, 9 }co.
->
{ (1 1 2) [3] (5 8 4) [3] (7 1 8) [9] (8 8 7) [6] (4 1 5) [6] (2 8 1) [9] }co.
->
{ (4) [3] (8) [3] (7) [9] (5) [6] (1) [6] (2) [9] }co.
->
{ (1) [6] (2) [9] (4) [3] (8) [3] (7) [9] (5) [6] (1) }co.
OR
{ (8) [3] (7) [9] (5) [6] (1) [6] (2) [9] (4) [3] (8) }co.
->
{ (1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5, 1) [6, 9, 3, 3, 9, 6] }
OR
{ (8, 7, 5, 1, 2, 4, 8) [3, 9, 6, 6, 9, 3] }
___
(1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5, 1)
([6, 9, 3, 3, 9, 6])
->
{ + , - + , - , - , + - , + }
OR
(8, 7, 5, 1, 2, 4, 8) <- 8 into -, - and 1 into +, + ; 8 into 3(-), 3(-), and 1 into 6(+), 6(+)
([3, 9, 6, 6, 9, 3]) <- 9 into +- and 9 into -+ ; '9' of 3 9 6, into 7(+), 5(-) and '9' of 6 9 3 into 2(-), 4(+)
->
{ - , + - , + , + , - + , - }
___
Base-10 Multiplication Table mod9 (/vedic square):

{1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8} 9
{2, 4, 6, 8, 1, 3, 5, 7} 9
{3, 6, 9, 3, 6, 9, 3, 6} 9
{4, 8, 3, 7, 2, 6, 1, 5} 9
{5, 1, 6, 2, 7, 3, 8, 4} 9
{6, 3, 9, 6, 3, 9, 6, 3} 9
{7, 5, 3, 1, 8, 6, 4, 2} 9
{8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1} 9
{9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9} 9
->
{ + , - , - , + , - , + , + , - } *
{ - , + , + , - , + , - , - , + } *
{ - , + , * , - , + , * , - , + } *
{ + , - , - , + , - , + , + , - } *
{ - , + , + , - , + , - , - , + } *
{ + , - , * , + , - , * , + , - } *
{ + , - , - , + , - , + , + , - } *
{ - , + , + , - , + , - , - , + } *
{ * , * , * , * , * , * , * , * } *

>>19538099
What this alchemist with dubs says. Also take a look at gnostic texts

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>>19538090
>>19538099
>>19538110
>>19538140
>>19538157
Also here's more:
Between the pattern of 1 and 8
1 * [1 to 8]mod9 -> 12(3)45(6)78 <- 8 * [1 to 8]mod9

Theres a break point which is 4 and 5,
The pattern of 4 and of 5 continues there for math to actually work(between the math process)

Between the pattern of 4 and 5
4 * [1 to 8]mod9 -> 48(3)72(6)15 <- 5 * [1 to 8]mod9

Theres a break point which is 7 and 2,
The pattern of 7 and of 2 continues there.

Between the pattern of 7 and 2
7 * [1 to 8]mod9 -> 75(3)18(6)42 <- 2 * [1 to 8]mod9

Theres a break point which is 1 and 8,
The pattern of 1 and of 8 continues there.

Here how it looks when you apply all 3 patterns:
...1(234[837{531(...)864}261]567)8...
OR
Two broken Patterns:
1234837531
8642615678

If you remove the
"3"s in the first pattern, you end up with
1 2 4 8 7 5 1
(Which is also btw the pattern of 2^n)
2^1=2
2^2=4
2^3=8
2^4=16mod9= 7
2^5= 32mod9= 5
2^6 = 64mod9= 1
2^7 = 128mod9= 2
And so on.

5^n is flipped and will repeat 5 7 8 4 2 1 pattern.

1 2 4 8 7 5 1
Is also the pattern of the bagua of the fuxi using the pattern between 1 and 8 (12345678) with 4 and 5 being the break point so it has 3 and 6 there once too.

And it is also the pattern of the Eye of Thoth(left eye of horus)

Also if you look at the color wheel, the Color Spectrum is the "8 6 4 2 6 1 5 6 7 8" without the "6"s,
8 4 2 1 5 7 8

If you look at the numbers 3's and 6's are between
2(3)4, 8(3)7, 5(3)1,
5(6)7, 8(6)4, 2(6)1,
If you combine the two patterns you get
1623468376531
OR
8643261356738

Which is the complete bagua
1623468376531

Or complete color spectrum
8643261356738

Bagua(and this approach) is a tool to analyze/learn/comprehend the laws of the universe, to be able to use them/synchronize with them/control them.

Its science that deals with the what/how, that creates the processes we observe, and the ways the laws work between the processes.

Unlike the current normal science that ignore the question of what and how it works.

>>19538090
>>19538099
>>19538110
>>19538140
>>19538157
This is some legit knowledge, gold even. Do you share material elsewhere or do you have a website/youtube/medium?

>>19538199
I might create one in the future.
I think most of humanity is not ready for this to go viral yet.

>>19538123
>Most people think of alchemy as science, transmuting matter, but really alchemy is the transmutation of the soul, of the human him/herself.

Well, no. It's both.

>>19538140
This is interesting stuff. I'm kind of lost on how the numbers relate to these principles though. It seems like you are saying that these spirals underlie the creation of everything. Are they movements of energy? Are these what influence the probability of outcomes or chance? This would be similar to Jung's idea of acausal phenomena.

>>19538262
I guess that it would be more apt to say the cause of all phenomena. Acausal and causal.

>>19538262
All follows the same laws,
Be it the nature, the numbers(of a n-based system/math), colours logic, everything in this universe(including the very laws by which this universe 'is'/exists).

>>19538300
Are 1 and 8 kind of like indeterminate states between space and matter? Do the directions of the 2 4 5 7 spirals relate to the standard compass directions?

>>19538377
1 is Space, 8 is Matter
By the logic of capacity;
0 is nothing, 9 is complete/fullness(in base10 you cannot have more than 9 in a single digit)

The first something you can have after Nothing(0) is Space(1), or Matter(8) less than Complete/fullness(9); Matter(8) is Space(1) less than fullness(9).

3 and 6 are the difference between 1 and 8.

2 4 5 7 are the states/laws between them.


On a compass logic:
1 would be South
8 would be North

3 would be East
6 would be West

4 would be Northeast
5 would be Southwest

7 would be Northwest
2 would be Southeast

>>19538377
>>19538471
I guess I can post this too,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua

Dao Origin:

無極生有極、有極是太極、
太極生兩儀、即陰陽;
兩儀生四象: 即少陰、太陰、少陽、太陽、
四象演八卦、八八六十四卦

Wújí __shēng__ yǒu jí, yǒu jí shì tàijí
Tàijí __shēng__ liǎngyí jí yīnyáng
Liǎngyí __shēng__ sìxiàng: jí shǎo yīn, tàiyīn, shǎo yáng, tàiyang
Sìxiàng __yǎn__ bāguà bābāliù shísì guà

The Limitless (無極; wuji) __produces__ the delimited (有極; youji; 1), and this demarcation(Bagua 1 and 8, OR Binary 0 and 1, OR Base10 0 and 9{1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8}) is equivalent to the Absolute (太極; taiji; Whole 9, OR 0=9, 9=0, OR 0.999co = 1).
The Taiji (the two opposing forces in embryonic form; 1 + 8 = 9 ) __produces__ two forms, named yin-yang (陰陽; 3, 6) which are called Liangyi (the manifested opposing forces).
These two forms __produce__ four phenomena(2<-3->4 and 5<-6->7, OR ÷ - + × ) : named lesser yin (少陰, shaoyin; 4 OR { - } ), greater yin (太陰; taiyin, which also refers to the Moon; 2 OR { ÷ } ), lesser yang (少陽, shaoyang; 5 OR { + } ), and greater yang (太陽; taiyang, which also refers to the Sun; 7 OR { × } ).
The four phenomena (四象; Sìxiàng; 2<->5, 4<->7) __act__ on the eight trigrams (八卦; Bagua; 0{1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8}9 ).
Eight 'eights' results in sixty-four hexagrams.

>>19538471
>>19538490
The Eight Trigrams(Bagua):
Heaven, Space/Nothing, Yang/Male, 1
Lake, Dispersion(less Density)/Division, Yin(greater yin)/Female, 2
Fire, Lack of Energy(Swallowing)/ Disconnecting/Destruction Force/Consuming Matter->Generating Nothing(space), Pure Yin surrounded by Yang/Female, 3
Thunder, Deepening(inwards)/Subtraction, Yang(lesser yin)/Male, 4
Wind, Expansion(outwards)/Addition, Yin(lesser yang)/Female, 5
Water, Energy(Emitting)/Connecting/Creation Force/Generating Something(matter)->Taking Space, Pure Yang surrounded by Yin/Male, 6
Mountain, Condensation(more Density)/Multiplication, Yang(greater yang)/Male, 7
Earth, Matter/Something, Yin/Female, 8

The Dao of The Universe(Nature)/Formation of the Bagua:

2 1 5
3 9 6
4 8 7

The Four Phenomena(2&5, 4&7), flip their axes, switch places(between eachother) and act, between Heaven/Space(1) & Earth/Matter(8).

"Later" heaven formation by King Wen is a misunderstanding of Fuxi's "Earlier" heaven formation.
King Wen's formation is incorrect in its logic and doesnt follow the fundamental laws)

>>19534580
yes it is real but now its called chemistry the ancients lacked the tools to really know anything about at all back when it was called alchemy

>>19538521
did you even read the thread?

>>19538793
He's not able to read the thread, don't pick on him.

Alchemy as a word comes from the Arabic Al-Khemi which takes its meaning from ancient Egyptian, literally "Of the Black Land" - the name of their country was Khem't, "black land", for the dark, rich soils on the shores of the Nile river they depended on for food and life in general. Continue?

>>19539258
Please do.

>>19539285
If you insist...

The Arabs occupied the lands of Ancient Egypt from the 7th century and took on some of its art and sciences, including what is now considered proto-chemistry. Taking the name from its workings. But chemistry is actually a fallen art, it's purely empirical, without mythological or symbolic meaning. The chemistry, or rather Alchemy of the Ancients, preserved by the Arabic mages in the city of Alexandria was the art of the alchemists. Ancient Egyptians where holographic thinkers in a sense, black was the color of their land but it was also the color of transformation. Such as black fertilizer is transformative. Its Alchemy is transformation. Now chemistry can be seen as transformative on the sense that for example H2+O is water but that's entirely Materialistic. Everything in Ancient Egypt had physical, religious, cultural, cosmic significance and that carries through to our understanding of Alchemy. It roughly can be considered the transformation of lead onto gold but this is only surface. The Alchemist actually transforms himself from lead to gold metaphorically in the process. It's a spiritual as well as physical operation and takes into account not only the materials and methods but the philosophy and stellar timings. It is a complete work, inside and out that results in physical gold as well as spiritual. At the same time it's a whole art of transformations using similar and what Europeans call spagyric operations that can be worked on mineral, vegetable and animal matter for a variety of reasons. The transformation into gold being the "grand operation". The point of this is, from our perspective Alchemy is rudimentary chemistry though the esoteric view is chemistry is degenerated Alchemy. A lost art born in our western civilization through ancient Egypt

>>19539632
Did alchemy back then have any any practical uses as far as you believe? Was it actual experiments or more of a math club?

Alchemy today, thanks to new age movements is not a secret art. You can find a number of Facebook groups that have incentive practitioners than follow old instructive texts. That's not to say they are churning our gold- this is considered to be a very rare masterwork of Alchemy that few people have achieved and also, would create a number of problems as you can imagine if anyone actually had the skill to create gold put of lead if it were possible. Though it is an active pursuit today that involves a lot of spirituality as well as artistic science. Summing up, you might read the story of Nicolas Flamel. He was a simple man in the books business who came upon an Arabic text of hieroglyphic writings instructing in the production of gold and he made it his life's work. This simple man of modest means (who's house stands to this day) became mysteriously wealthy and prosperous by the end of his life, however giving much of it away to charity. That is part of the Alchemist secret, it is a spiritual art and making gold for money is not its purpose. It's the joyous connection to life's creative transformation, Alchemy is something a great deal more complex than chemistry even if technically primitive, it is a philosophic art

>>19539663
Pardon the phone posting errors. It is philosophical so has no "practical purpose" essentially but like chemistry it makes things- medicines, stained glass, paints, etc. But gold? It's easier to make your fortune in business. Alchemy is done for the love of it, it's the only route to success and takes years and years

>>19539694
A little further, for the less practically inclined reader. The philosophy of Alchemy is to take natural processes and excellerate them and it includes spiritual development. Saturn becomes gold in time. Alchemists transform the spiritual state of man, Saturnine to exalted Solar for those who understand. And the alchemical process is not just in the lab but also ethereal in the psyche. It can be applied to different aspects of life, one can be an Alchemist using the lab of the human body. This is a feature of Taoist Alchemy, same processes in a different culture. Read Thomas Cleary translations if you are interested. It is a cosmic art, and we are not evolved but in a dark materialistic age. That's what Alchemy is, a lost ancient art for those who seek transformative results. It's hard work, too hard for mere dollars and cents

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best thread on x for a min, real talk

>>19534580
It works if you know how to work it.

>>19538090
How would I start learning about alchemy? Where do I start, what materials do I need to study/practice it? This is all so interesting. Do the Emerald Tablets have anything to do with all this?

>>19541370
I want to know too!

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>>19541396
>>19541370


https://mega.nz/#F!jBk3nBwC!3kbcd3Yb0I1Dkw6GCBLY1A
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/uldbxpm2nyw7a

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>>19541403
And as always, i must strongly protest against the 'spiritual' labeling of alchemy in this thread. If people bothered to ACTUALLY read the books of the alchemists than listen to youtube videos, the conclusion would have been much different. Daily reminder that ALL alchemists, from Zosimos to Fulcanelli, are PROVEN to have done practical alchemical work. Read some books, people, seriously. God gave you a brain to use it.

>>19541403
What's in the files? I'm on mobile right now.
>>19541418
And yea there is definitely physical usage

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>>19541480
>What's in the files?

The first library is a huge collection of European texts, and a particular emphasis of quality of the works was put at the same time. The second one is more general, though there is probably some bullshit there.

>>19541500
What would I need in terms of materials/equipment? If I need any at all. I'd like to know now so I can slowly aquire them as money is tight

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>>19541505
Nothing more advanced than what is found in a highschool chem lab. Or a blacksmith's workshop. Depends on the path you want to take.

>>19541527
I took chemistry in high school so I know about all the equipment, that's good

>>19541403
In terms of the spiritual side, what do I need for materials? I have access to various plants but elements I'm lacking in

>>19541717
Theoretically, nothing. In practice, stuff with principle attributions you're using to represent inner processes by association . Or if you do the wet way, a woman who can maintain some really heavy levels of yoga while you fuck. But I'm a more general occultist than an alchemist so take all that with a grain of salt.

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So I should figure out these numbers stuff to be able to learn the real deal like cicada tests?

Just tell me if I am correct. This alchemy is getting the correct nutrients for you to "eat" and then with proper specific meditation your body will create new things likes new types of cells? The Gods were just a meditation practice to reach the specific mindset for the body to change itself with new nutrients into new things?

Should I trust Drunvalo Melchizedek stuff or is it bullshit?

>>19542065
good questions, I'd also like to hear opinions on Drunvalo

Why don't we make an alchemy general or a discord??????

>>19544240
Not a bad idea. EternalShin has posted a lot of information that can't be found anywhere else. I've been looking into different systems for connections. A group could help to fit the pieces together. If anyone's interested we could get a discord.

>>19542065
Alchemy is using non-scientific metaphysical properties of substances. It must be consumed to unlock its power.
For example, coffee stimulates the nervous system. Neuro-scientists don't even understand the process completely. But they write down their findings and think it's "proof."

>>19544399
I too am interested, we need to keep this knowledge alive and growing.

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>tfw to inteligent to understand alchemy

>>19544240
>>19544399
Someone make one and post invitation code?

>>19544945
>>19545495
I set up a discord. I probably won't be too active until tonight. Like I said above, I would like to focus on the mathematics and piecing together fragments from different ancient systems. I've tried examining European alchemy and got lost in the symbolism. I've read lots of works from Fulcanelli, Philalethes, Thomas Vaughan, and others. While some seem to come closer to the processes they are still cryptic.

https://discord.gg/ktxgJN

>>19535311
Yes it does. You can totally turn lead into gold. It just requires more resources than it's worth

>>19538123
I Can call a mango a type of plant turtle and twist it to be true

I can make up a math and say it proves gravity wrong

I can punch myself in the nuts and say it doesn't hurt

Give me proof. Tangible grabbable edible seeable hearable wearable fappable proof

Prove a form of math true with a real world example . If their is none then how can the math be true? It would simply be a theory

>>19538157
What the fuck do any of these mean. They just look like patterns of numbers and symbols. I get the pattern but what do they MEAN? Does +--+-++- mean tomatoes can produce bear sperm like what does even mean

>>19538194
Like how is 8 assigned a value of red? Wouldn't red be 5? And 8 would be purple

>>19538300
But the laws of the universe are not set laws. More like guidelines. So in certain situations none of this would apply. Which means they're not universal concepts. Wouldn't you have to figure out the limits of said guidelines to determine a range of concept

>>19544417
>non-scientific metaphysical properties of substances
You pulled that out of your ass I bet the only word there you know the definition of is "of"

>>19546322
What you are talking about are not the laws, but the results(/processes made up) of those laws.
There can be close to infinite amount of possible results/processes and byproducts of those laws in nature that are not fixed and slowly change.

What current science calls "laws of the universe" are not really "laws" they are simply logical configuration of processes, both(logical configuration and the processes) of which, resulted by laws.

Again, laws are responsible for the what and the how, which cannot be observed.
Anything that can be observed is already a result of those laws after few layers(

Those layers being the following:
Actual permanently fixed laws of the universe -> configuration of those laws -> logical intent/purpose -> crystalization of the configuration following logic of intent/purpose -> not permanently fixed "laws of nature"(not an observable process yet) -> solid process/result(observable process).
Thats a short version of it, there are a lot more layers between, I tried to shorten it as much as possible there.

>>19546307
Capacity of the colours.

>>19546601
Capacity of what? Cheese in a can? Lemons? The molested children of Michael Jackson? Beef jerky? Light? Penises. How many of what are in a color?

>>19546645
Capacity of how solid the colour is.
Cyan-blue Light - the portion of the visible light spectrum with the shortest wavelengths and highest energy(potential); less solid, will burn your cells and inner layers of your body.
Red Light, the portion of the visible light spectrum with the longest wavelengths and lowest energy(potential); more solid, will burn your outer layers of your body.

Spring-Green - the swallowing, lack of energy(-) colour, all mirrors deepen into that colour if you apply infinite mirror reflection.

Violet - pure energy(+) colour, at the very center of an infinite mirror reflection there is a tiny condensed light singularity(pure energy) of violet colour.

Those are just few examples.

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>>19546645
>>19546700

>>19546186
>I've read lots of works from Fulcanelli, Philalethes, Thomas Vaughan, and others.
Check the "Path of the black dragon" in my mega library here for clarification on Fulcanelli. Philalethes is similar.

>>19541403

>>19541403
thx :)

>>19546303
Geometry predates math, geometry is true.

>>19538110

It amazes me how atheist think old school alchemist were bunch of hallucinating crazy old fucks that were tripping on sulfur and building mathematically tuned architecture to have anal rituals for no reason.

fools

>>19545186
>8


Dude, Alchemy is a high science beyond high school physics. Why do you think wizards in videogames always have high intelligence?

This shit isn't a kindergarten reading class.

...unless you're willing to cause that much alpha decay (and somehow get lead to have alpha decay...it is usually the stopping point of alpha decay considering how stable its normal isotopes are).......then no. alchemy is not real outside of alpha decay. (do not inhale alpha particles. it is basically a He atom with no electrons...which it would glad take from cells in your lungs...have fun with lung cancer.)

>>19547683

stay sleep then nigga, Tried wakin yo ass up so you could smell the coffee.

Reality go through water up in yo face in the next 20 years, Enjoy unexpected wrath of god.

>>19546700
But why do they do that. I'm looking for the root of it all. Why is red red? Shit like that

>>19548114
We called red, red...
It is probably just a color with/of the depth of its capacity.

>>19534580
If alchemy actually worked (Eastern or Western) someone would be immortal by now. Thread's over. Everyone go home.

>>19549961
There are quite a few immortals, but theres a universal law that doesnt allow those, more synchronized with the laws, to interfere with those, much less synchronized/not synchronized at all, with the laws.
In other words, most of us are at the lowest level right now, which is, not synchronized at all, those immortals cant interfere with anything related to us, meaning, they can either live as if normal people for amusement(while controlling the way their body looks, to make it seem that they are getting older when later just change back into youthful state and their original face/another face), or they leave to another place where they live among those on their level.

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>>19546303
>Prove a form of math true with a real world example .

The "8643261356738"(complete color spectrum from >>19538194 )
pattern repeating in a cyclical manner in pic.

>>19546601
Excellent info shin. May I add to anybody interested, this is a, excellent place to start. http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/mht/mht02.htm

Saint Germain is an incredibly interesting person, and wrote a text that instructs on how alchemy works but wrote it in a sort of first person style so that you must imagine yourself as the medium being transformed. Really good shit.

>>19546186
The invite expired, could you post another

>>19549961

Look you stupid narrow minded bitch. They suppress all this shit to keep you in the fucking dark.

stop worshipping public med

>>19551376
Saint German was a practical alchemist. He transformed a silver coin in front of Casanova and had made a strange volatile substance that he claimed is the spirit of nature. All can be found in Casanova's diary. So appropriating German to the spiritual alchemy is ridiculous. "Spiritual alchemists" are ridiculous. http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/arr/arr11.htm

>>19551388
I joined there too
Here: https://discord.gg/UcERm95

>>19551406
Lol ok guy. You obviously didn't read Shit.

The word Trinosophie quite properly infers a triple meaning to the contents of the book, in other words that its meaning should be interpreted with the aid of three keys. From the symbolism it seems that one of these keys is alchemy, or soul-chemistry; another Essenian Cabbalism; and the third Alexandrian Hermetism, the mysticism of the later Egyptians.
If you had a brain instead of a hot pocket in your head you would have realized initially that the two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

>>19551449
First of all, you don't know shit and are an idiot. Saint Germain didn't write that work. We have no record of Saint Germain ever claiming to practice spiritual alchemy but frequently boasted about practical alchemy. He didn't even write that work for God's sake, he got the manuscript from someone. if can't get that fact straight, how do you expect anyone to think you know shit? So get to reading asap, and before you do, shut the fuck up.

>>19551456
Hahaha from the notes of the guy who spent 30plus years studying this text.

St.-Germain chiefly employs alchemical symbols in this book of The Threefold Wisdom. This in no way infers that he is actually writing of chemical processes, for, as most of the great alchemists have agreed, the manufacturing of material gold is the least part of their science. That St.-Germain’s meaning may be clear and the correlations between the zodiacal signs and the alchemical processes become evident, the following table will prove useful:

Aries

Calcination

Expulsion of the animal soul through heat. (Purification by the fire of aspiration.)

Taurus

Congelation

The union of parts; the achievement of one-pointedness or purpose.

Gemini

Fixation

The condition of becoming firm, the fixing of the will.

Cancer

Dissolution

To dissolve or to suspend in a fluid state; the universalizing of the personality.

Leo

Digestion

To soften by heat and moisture; to perfect the mind in wisdom (heat) and imagination (humidity).

Virgo

Distillation

The separation of the volatile principle from substance; the release of the soul from its involvement in bodily limitation.

Libra

Sublimation

The refining of elemental bodies; the increasing of the vibratory harmonies of the body.

p. 92
Scorpio

Separation or Putrefaction

The philosophic death; an artificial decay by which the spiritual and material elements are separated from each other.

Sagittarius

Incineration

The burning away of dross; the soul fire comsumes the external body.

Capricorn

Fermentation

The conversion of organic susbtance into new compounds by a ferment; the building of the Golden Man.

Aquarius

Multiplication

The process of increasing; adeptship.

Pisces

Projection

The process of transmuting base substance into Gold; the perfection of the Work; immortality; in the eastern tradition, Buddhahood.


Your an idiot.

>>19551398
Oh really, then share. Enlighten the world, friend. You have the power. Now how do I get more jing?

>>19551290
What patent bullshit.

>>19551469
>St.-Germain chiefly employs alchemical symbols in this book of The Threefold Wisdom.

Hey idiot, Saint Germain didn't write that work. When are you gonna get that fact straight in your thick skull? Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>19551471

stop jerking off and squat more

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>>19551456
Found your gif bro, its ok to be wrong now and then calm down lol

>>19551480
Lies.

>>19551484
I am not wrong and your gif is embarrassing. I am more than sure that it depicts you.

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>>19551475
Once again you prove your idiocy.

>>19551488
This is what you call REKT.

>>19551498
Hey idiot, read this

>Some controversy persists over the authorship of the work. Ascribing authorship to the Count of St. Germain rests on a "bookseller's note" pasted to the front of the MS in Troyes, as well as Manly Palmer Hall's own statements, which have been described as partisan. Indeed, Mr. Hall states that the MS was very much in the possession of Cagliostro, who is alleged to be one potential author of the manuscript, but that "the Inquisition had seized it" when Cagliostro was arrested in Rome in 1789.

It's on a bookseller note. Which was a common practice to stamp a famous person name so that people will read it more. You're stupid and uneducated, and once again, stop embarassing yourself. Spiritual alchemy is a pipe dream. Only idiots don't realize this.

>>19551503
Shouldn't you be tucked in bed, kid? You're yelling some catchphrases like a middle schooler and it's absolutely embarrassing. You're not an epic trole or master ruseman, you're only flailing like a beheaded chicken.

>>19551343
Boom done. Thank you. But whyyyyyy does it do that. What makes that specific pattern happen??

>>19551506
Oh how revealing! So all you got is that cagliostro had it on him when he was arrested. You must be a genderqueer liberal to make that kind of leap. You show all the signs of being breast fed too long, mommy cut you off at 5 years?

>>19551518
Of course its fun to see some know it all internet fatbody get all russled when proven wrong lol.

>>19551544
>>19551536

You're in middle school, you don't even have the conception of right and wrong yet.

>>19551523
What youre asking right there is the whole science of alchemy.
It requires a high level of understanding in alchemy to understand and make sense of,
To normal person(not proper alchemist) the explanation will look like huge amount of mathematical operations and patterns(of between the processes to make/explain it happen physically), that make no sense.

>>19551550
Like I said. REKT

Way to run the thread you fucking stupid children.

Holy shit people... you're embarrassing to be around.

>>19551555
Like i said, middle school.

>>19551557
>to run

It's called "dissilusioning people that alchemy is any of this"

>>19551562
I get it, your supposed education on alchemy is your proverbial tit.. and I took it away from you. Its natural for you to be mad, but lets consider the horrible people you must surround yourself with to let you suck this proverbial tit dry with every breath. Get new friends anon, whatever it takes... I believe in you.

>>19534580
Yeah, being a chemist.

>>19551577
More embarrassing roleplay. First you roleplayed as an alchemist and now you're a psychologist. Both were unconvincing and utterly embarrassing. You know that this is not an escapism from your F in math, right?

>>19534580
The theory that you can bombard lead with protons and produce gold has been proven to be true, but not worth the gold thus created.

That was the goal of alchemy, and it is true.

>>19551568
Agreed. It's like the meme that alchemy was only physical. There was both an inner and outer form. In Daoism the outer form was called weidan and the inner form was called neidan. The same alchemical laws explain every process in nature. This includes Man and the psyche.

>>19551592
Lol no I'm neither, all I did was correctly convey the author of book which evidently triggered your liberal sensibilities. You can go ahead and believe some guy wrote it because he had it in his pocket haha.

why is spiritual alchemy nonsense? i thought the whole goal was the transmutation of the self/soul into spiritual gold? activation of the holy grail within the human, etc?

>>19551607
Yes, a persons name on the front cover of a book means that that specific person wrote it. Hermes Trismegistus was real and Homer was real. You also solved the century long debate of whether Shakespeare wrote all of his works. What an utter genius!

>>19551631
That's because you got brainwashed by new age faggots. People in the middle ages and in the antiquity didn't know that it takes a star to create a metal is lot less far fetched explanation of alchemy than that they were actually hiding some shit from the Church with symbols. And greed for gold was always present. It's that simple, there is no quantum physics or consciousness involved or any spooky action at distance. If you want to transform your soul try yoga don't get caught up in some pothead's mystical musings and doodles on alchemy.

>>19551702
I don't believe you, you seem to have an aggressive aversion towards alchemy and spirituality. What the fuck are all the mystery schools and teachings worth if spiritual alchemy doesn't exist?

spiritual alchemy is basically western esoteric spirituality, that doesn't mean that the physical/material aspect of alchemy is null, they both exist and are valid

>>19551690
Exactly. Sheesh try to add content to the thread and there's always some conceited anon with a Huurr Duuur no he didn't really write that! Its a good read about St germain as a preface then the actual text which is very intriguing.

>>19551702
Wouldn't the Kabbalah qualify as a system of spiritual alchemy? wtf are you even talking about

>>19551724
>I don't believe you

Ok, your problem. Doesn't refute what i say a single bit.

>you seem to have an aggressive aversion towards alchemy and spirituality.

I just recommended Yoga for spirituality. Where is the aversion? I have an affinity for real spirituality and aversion towards fake, like spiritual alchemy.

>What the fuck are all the mystery schools and teachings worth if spiritual alchemy doesn't exist?

Mystery schools weren't about spiritual alchemy. They were about spiritual gnosis and religious ecstasy. To call that alchemy is to semantically kill any possible definition of alchemy as it's own thing.

>spiritual alchemy is basically western esoteric spirituality

But it's not. Read above.

>>19551731
So now Kabbalah is alchemy, religion is alchemy and Yoga is alchemy. Don't you see how you're semantically killing the word 'Alchemy' so that it loses all meaning? Alchemy is about metallic transformation. End of.

>>19551728
I was mocking you dum dum

>>19551750
I know but it didn't feel like mocking because of how self contradicting you are.

>>19551724
Ignore him. Inner alchemy was practiced in the East. It's likely that when these concepts were introduced to the West that weidan and neidan were merged into one single alchemy. Since the processes are the same (application is different) they probably were not differentiated to maintain secrecy. The sage often credited with founding Daoism states himself:

"The process of internal alchemy opens the mystical gate to spiritual immortality." - Lao Tzu, Hua Hu Jing

>>19551750

Alchemy was philosophical, mystical science that used metallurgy and basic chemistry as metaphor for self-perfection and ascent to a higher plan. It has roots in Jewish, Egyptian and Greek religion - like anything having to do with Hermetism (most alchemists that aren't from the Far East are Hermetic).

>>19551781

Anon, western alchemy had internal elements from the beginning due to influence from Kabbalah on the mystical traditions of Western Europe in the middle ages.

>>19534580
I urge everyone to read this text as it is being actively discredited in this thread. They don't want you to know alchemy is spiritual.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/mht/mht03.htm

>>19551809
Wrong. Those are only popular but sadly untrue opinions. We find evidence of practical alchemy from zosimos to fulcanelli, but never of spiritual alchemy. Reality refutes you, which means you have a big problem. But why am i trying to convince you. You guys are just a bunch of doofuses who would't know critical thinking if it hit them in the face. You will defend your pretended false knowledge till the end of times, like a muslic defends his Mecca. Bye faggots. Stay bluelilled.

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What do people here think about the possibility of DMT being the philosopher's stone?

I haven't smoked it yet, but my own research pointed me in that direction. Afterwards, I saw a book was released recently discussing the topic.

>>19551853

So much salt. So little intelligence.

>>19551864

It's not. That's just hippie dippie New Age faggot talk. That said, if it works for you, awesome.

The Philosopher's Stone was a probably only partially the search for an actual object.

>>19551876
Regardless, there's a lot of connections to be made between Freemasonry and DMT. Acacia, sacred geometry, themes of infinity and secret knowledge, just several I can think of now.

>>19551910
There's alot of "connections" between anything if you want there to be. It just takes a little creativity to string shit together. Cult making 101.

i was reading this book recently and it had a passage you faggots might enjoy. this is a paraphrase. this is a common story in sufi and bhakti hagiographies. im not either of those but i find this stereotypical stories funny.

so theres this guy who spends his time trying to create a philosopher's stone so that he can turn shit into gold. he makes the stone and goes to this great saint and says look, i made this stone, and it turns shit to gold. the saint takes it and says it's worthless and he throws it in a river. the alchemist freaks out and dives into the river looking for his stone. he finds it among a thousand other philosopher's stones, at which point he realizes that alchemy is for niggers and he becomes a devotee of the saint and also whatever godform the saint worships (allah, ram, etc).

it's obviously a propaganda story but i found it funny.

>>19551853
Critical thinking from the guy who believes 3rd hand hearsay from 1750 as fact. Wew lad.

>>19551993
You should Post that on biz

>>19552443
Kek

>>19552443
Critical thinking is irrelevant for the time for it to pass has already come and gone. Hearsay is irrelevant.

>>19551471
Eat healthy food.

>>19534580
A homonculus has been made. It at least works to an extent.

>>19553995
kek you are talking riddles becuase you don't even know what else to say. Fuck off.