Hey, saw an /x/ style explanation of trans people in a thread,

It's attention-seeking nonsense for the most part.

The really sad part is parents are now putting their 4 year old who decides they want to be a girl for a week on life changing hormones

>>19419942
Liberals. Not sure what else I can say without being told to "fuck off back to /pol/"

>>19419930
bolony, its estrogen in the plastics & godless politics

>>19419930
pornographic fetishization & satanic influences

>>19419947
Honestly, I think the liberal agenda is pretty /x/ related. Reguardless of whether you buy the hogwash or not, the message being conveyed is of simple moral relativity, which people in this day-and-age are having a pretty hard time grasping. Even if the "gender spectrum" doesn't exist, and is harmful to society (both counts, again, ringing true as correct for me), evangelical Christians still need to be beat over the head with shit like this, if for nothing else, then to at least teach them how political debate works in the modern age.

Mentally ill people, nothing more

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>>19419930
>Saying it was female souls reincarnated as males.
I think you summed it up right there.

Depending on your psychological type, being a woman is much easier than being a man. There's a reason that men commit suicide in far greater numbers than women. As a man no one coddles you, no one takes care of you, and if you fuck up in any way you pay for it with blood, or money, or your freedom.

A lot of weak inexperienced souls try being a man (for the first) time and are like, "oh no this is too hard waa waa waa." They just want to go back to the easy life they had for so many lifetimes.

I think it's a thought that turns to obsession or outside influence. If you aren't aware that people are doing this shit you won't think to do this shit

>>19420016
It is without a doubt that those kids are being presently hurt, and being set up for more pain later, but practically every religion depicts suffering being converted into strength. This is what I'm getting at. All attempts right now to destroy discourse and make people uncomfortable WITHOUT physically harming are probably some kind of test from elsewhere.

>>19420109
No, we are talking about the same thing. I then provided an anecdote that is supported by every major religion. The attempts at destroying discourse and making people feel uncomfortable are exemplified in the video you posted, but that obviously isn't the only phenomenon of it's kind.

>>19420109
>letting people express identities
>omg guys it's male "genocide"!!!!!!!!!!!!

shouldn't you be on/pol/ alt-shit?

>>19420135
If I had a daughter, and took her to a doctor to fucking disfigure her vagina is some archaic way, I'd be rightfully be labeled as a child abuser, despite what I can make that child say in court.
Government programs designed to destroy self-identity are.... well, not genocide, since that refers to genes, but it's still some kind of fucking Holocaust, let me tell you.

Honestly people giving a shit about others being trans seem like they need more of an explanation than people being trans.

Having body issues and wanting to be who you perceive yourself as seems much more relatable than angrily questioning what's between a stranger's legs.

>>19420143
Having body issues is a very sad situation, much like people who think they are squirrels, very sad. Don't kick people when they are down, though. You have to correct the delusional and thoughts before they become too loud to ignore.

Goddamn, I am fucking spazzing all over the place here, I need to proofread my shit more carefully.
>>19420141
Obviously this post only needs one "be", whichever one's fine
>>19420150
I typed out "delusional and negative thoughts", but the word got dropped somehow so now that shit don't make no sense, my bad.

>>19419947
>Liberals. Not sure what else I can say without being told to "fuck off back to /pol/"
>>19420135
FUCK
Anyways, I do not fully agree with this guy. I was just using this as a medium to express and communicate opinions and information. I didn't make the video, some other person did.

>>19420158
Liberals will "REEEE" as much as rednecks will "JEEEBUS", you can keep talking about whatever and I'll outdebate these tards.

>>19420166
Not sure who's side you're on.

>>19420150
Let people be squirrels. This is America damn it. Land of the free.

"But I'm not in America". Everywhere is America.

There's no such thing as a 'male or female soul'

>>19420177
The side against zealots. Take that however.

>>19420192
And I'm being told to go back to /pol/. . .

>>19420183
I'm fine with 18 year olds saying "you know what, fuck this human shit", but it's a bit different to drug your 4-year-old for so long that their brain chemistry permenently changes. I mean hell, it's common sense not to let a toddler smoke a crack pipe, right? Testosterone is out of the question, right? Why is estrogen OK?

>>19420194
Clearly you have a zealot infestation.

>>19419930
They are just mentally ill being goaded on by a sick society.

>>19420201
Lmao all I can think of is Starcraft now

>>19420209
Well, it is a fucking way, and some here consider it inter-planetary.

>>19420215
*WAR
It's a fucking war. Goddamn I need to go to bed.

>>19420218
Oh shit you broke character.

>>19420196
>It's common sense not to let a toddler smoke a crack pipe.

You don't know my life.

Also, transitioning is a process that involves a shitload of therapy before they even start taking hormones, and the kid is usually older than that. I'm no expert in developmental psychology, but I'm pretty sure their therapist has a better grasp on diagnosing gender dysphoria than either of us do. Plus, you'd think with all the trans people around throughout history you'd hear about more people complaining about people regretting their parents letting them transition when they didn't want to if that was a thing.
No, that one doctor that forced a boy to transition against his will does not count.

>>19420228
Actually, I'd like to believe that you don't here them complaining because the ones that do regret it are all dead.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp.../AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/.../transgender...rates--suicide.../31626633/

>>19420228
>throughout history you'd hear about more people complaining about people regretting their parents letting them transition
Yeah, that's because the ones who regret it just fucking commit suicide. The rate is up to 3 times the national average for "trans" people, and the US already has like a 15% suicide rate. I consider this group (transsexuals) as those with "untreated gender dysphoria", as the rate is the same before and after surgery. I wish I could show you the statistics for those who have been treated, but that's illegal in the western world.

>>19420242
Thanks for elaborating on my post, the one right above yours.

>>19420248
I thought that was hilarious, since my page didn't update until I posted. I was thinking "should I have included sources for this or something", then BOOP, that shit just appears.

>>19420236
Two of those links don't work, and the one that does literally tells you why that logic is bullshit.

Imagine how suicidal you'd be if random strangers started yelling that you shouldn't exist and you taking a shit at target became a political issue.
You're talking about effect without considering the cause.

>>19420255
>random strangers started yelling that you shouldn't exist
All the time, since grade school.
>taking a shit at target became a political issue
With my fucking bowels, no doubt.
Clearly those things aren't the only causes of suicide, because I'd be dead.

>>19420255
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/16/transgender-individuals-face-high-rates--suicide-attempts/31626633/

>>19420254
Lmao, I was like fuck, I need some sort of elaboration. I guess it all worked out.

>>19420265
Yeah, but add in you already questioning your own existence, and your family and friends treating you like you're an extraterrestrial. Not to mention the fear that you can't get laid without worrying the person might try to murder you because they're not sure if that makes them gay.
Dude, it's a shitty situation, and even though you get articles spotlighted about some celebrity family in San Francisco being progressive that's like 2% of trans people. It's not a good time.

Tell me, how many trans people have you actually talked to face to face? Do they seem like their life is great and full of acceptance? You're basing your opinion on a limited experience without actually researching the subjects in question. I know this is /x/ but even people here wanna actually see a ghost before fully deciding they exist.

>>19420301
I'm speaking from the perspective of someone with an extremely feminine demeanor and headspace, and who actively considered transitioning at some point, and then realized "wait fuck, I'm 6'8, that won't work" and dealt with my problems.
Remember I said that people shouted at me saying I shouldn't exist? That's because my passivity in early life was so alien to the boys around me that I was spit out like post-chewed food.

>>19420310
I'm sorry that happened to you, but thats all the more reason to empathize. If you had the chance to do it and be happy wouldn't you want to? So why would you have an issue with someine else doing so?

We've all got body issues, and we all likely have to settle with what we have to work with, but we don't lynch people for working out or getting breast implants because they want to be more comfortable with themselves.

Like that's the thing, it's them wanting to be more comfortable with themselves, it's not about us. So it's kinda shitty to even try to question whether they should or shouldn't do what they want with their bodies, when we both wouldn't appreciate some stranger doing the same to us.

And yeah, the whole pronoun thing can get a little confusing, but we live in a world of Puff Daddys and Andre3000s and symbols formerly known as Prince. We adjust and move on with our lives and worry about bills and our careers and shit.
How do you possibly justify prioritizing someone else's desire to lower their self-esteem issues when you have plenty of your own to worry about?

>>19420333
As I said before, it's sad that we don't have a "treated gender dysphoria" group to compare to the untreated, because again, it's literally illegal to challenge peoples mistaken perception of reality.
>we don't lynch people for working out
Because that improves what you already posses.
>or getting breast implants
Are you talking for women? Because again, I will never argue against people being the best version of themselves. I personally think cow tits are disgusting, but my personal opinion has nothing to do with what people do.
>it's them wanting to be more comfortable with themselves
But that is the whole crux of the problem. They are not becoming comfortable with themselves. Someone told them they are worthless, and they have to become something different. And those poor souls believed it.

>>19420345
We're talking inside stressors versus outside stressors, though.
Yes, people on the outside are a factor as to our emotional state, but gender dysphoria is tied to internal stressors.
Again, going back to that doctor who transitioned someone against their will, people will fight you tooth and nail the entire time if you try to compromise their self-identity. People can't tell you who you are inside. You see it in the negative as well. Someone that's obese or addicted or depressed simply can't change who they are until they accept themselves, which is why telling them to change is futile.

We're talking about telling other people who THEY are. Even if you feel that's not the safest way to self-acceptance, forcing them to be what you feel they should be just doesn't work.

>>19420378
Can you externally tell what gender a non-intelligent animal is? Either through behavior or, you know, inspecting organs? The same thing applies to sentient beings. Being a man or a woman is not a construct that only exists in your head: it functions in tandem with biological fact. Someone can inform me that they do not have a skull, or a liver, but such statements can be very easily fact-checked by common fucking sense.

>>19420396
You're talking about sex vs. gender.
Gender just being societal norms we agree upon to point out sex, but going but going back to animals, that's actually more complex and gets confusing as shit. In fact, changing sex and gender have both been observed in the animal kingdom, going from frogs to dolphins. That argument doesn't really pan out. Not only because yeah, that does cery much happen with animals, but also because we're much more complex beings when it comes to self identity. You'd have a better argument claiming we shouldn't be able to recognize our own reflection.

>>19420416
But even with these generalized leaps in logic and lack of understanding in psychology and biology no one has yet to explain why they feel it's relevant to them personally to worry about someone else's self-identity. Like, shit. Let's say for a second that argument isn't complete bullshit, you still have no reason to treat it like a crusade. You think it's a delusion? Why aren't you attacking schizophrenics?
At the end if the day, it simply doesn't have anything to do with you.

>>19420435
One more thing and then I'm off to bed, because here's something that does become relevant to everyone.

The thought process is "this person should not be allowed to be themselves" and that's a terrifying ideology to support.
"You should be this gender". Ok. "You're too obese". Alright. "I don't like that you're posting on 4chan. Also, you shouldn't think this way, also, your hair color is wrong". Where does it stop? You're literally arguing the idea that you should be able to control people's lives. People on this board of all places should be against that. It's incredibly naive to think that this thought process would stop at gender if allowed. Let people be who they want, it's that simple.

>>19419930
Certain Native American tribes have a belief of something similar. Something something skychildren male and female whos love/hate was so strong they were forced to inhabit one body.

>>19419947
Fuck off back to /pol/

>>19420141
Two forms of Holocaust; giving people what they need and giving them what they want.
Two more; denying them what they need and denying them what they want.

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>>19420476
I stopped arguing because I needed to sleep, and arguing with die-hard liberals feels like more of a waste of time the more I do it, but let's make this the last word.
This is why I would urge any human being I come across to not cut their dick off. I would be evil if I said otherwise.

>>19420228
Therapy. It's just brain washing

>am trans
>non-op
>would never mutilate my beautiful penis
>extremely happy with my life

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>>19422049
Yes, shockingly stupid people that don't think things through do exist. That doesn't make it the norm. You can't judge an entire group because of a fucking /b/tard.

>>19419930
I had a dream where I met a guy who was being a werewolf. Then he went back to human. I wanted to see soul energy to figure out what was up, and I saw symbols in his eyes.

The symbols were, mtf, ftm, then a combination of mars and venus together. My interpretation for what I saw was, he was male to female transexual in his current life. His previous life he was female to male transexual. Then the last symbol said that he was actually from a different universe where he was a hermaphroditic being.

I can't say I understand why he couldn't have been happy female one life, and happy male the next. What I do know, is that his soul was doing it intentionally to create some kind of polarity of experience and balance, and perhaps the integration of his identity from the previous universe. It was a cool and trippy dream.

>>19422194
...but the goal of literally every MtF tranny is having a vagina. That is the logical endstate of people questioning how they were born. If you don't want that to happen, then don't brainwash kids with this gender fluidity hogwash.

>>19419930
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that I was a woman in a past life. I have a feminine mind in several ways.

>>19419981
It certainly doesn't help that some people like to glorify being shit on as a man and insult men who have the nerve to say "This shit sucks" instead of just lying down and taking it. Your post certainly comes across that way.

>>19422251
That's also not true. Actually a lot of mtf people don't want to get surgery.
Seriously, just actually talk to a trans person.

Hell, you have one right there.
>>19422121

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Just thought I'd pop in to say transgender "people" aren't people at all but rather societal mistakes and the laughable punchline to the joke that is cultural Marxism. Kthxbai.

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She is Here
He is Her

>>19422295
Again, based on how loosely you define the term, I'm also in that category. What I said is true, philosophically. Read it again.

>>19420141
>less than one tenth of one tenth of the population
>Holocaust-tier genocide

Wow, it's literally fucking nothing

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>>19422315
Someone actually transitioning, since the point you're trying to make is that they shouldn't.
That's one perspective that comes from a viewpoint of resentment.
You yourself admitted there's a bias, so why not explore different stories?

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>>19419930

I think we're thinking in too broad of terms here

Trans can be girly fags who just want to be a little girl, even one of 4chan's oldest banners and memes says something along the lines of wanting to be the little girl. It can just be a mental thing, something you think about when you get off. Some people can want to take it to the next level and dress up, look, and act feminine and show off with pictures but within the confines of their homes for online friends.

I honestly think some of them are mentally ill though. I cut this line around the part where they want to get sex changes and cut off their dick and balls. This isn't the case for all of them, there's gotta be an individual or two that genuinely feels like a girl and wants to alter their live completely to reflect their feelings but there's way too many out there right now for it to be natural. The problem has to lie with propaganda, shitty childhoods, mental illness, and anything else that can result in you turning trans.