Are there any actual arguments that Christianity started as a

>>19366126
Sadly, no. There's been a severe selection bias against keeping the negative aspects of history intact and recorded in the early day of Christianity.

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>>19366126

yes. there are. and they are in extremely large, boring books.

check out the volume 'The Medieval Mind', in the 'History of Philosophy'. That should explain things.

No, there is NOT any way to come to an informed conclusion about this on 4chan. even if you had the correct answer, you'd be missing the point about what religion is and does, and the role that it plays in our life and reality.

Christianity has always been anti sex, anti hedonism, and pro modesty.
In general Christianity is about overcoming sin.
Lots of monks take vows of celibacy, nuns and priests are not allowed to get married or have sex.

There were actually a lot of weird gnostic sects in the middle ages like the cathars who believed in reincarnation and womans rights. The church wiped those faggots out though


>Killing was abhorrent to the Cathars. Consequently, abstention from all animal food (sometimes exempting fish) was enjoined of the Perfecti. The Perfecti avoided eating anything considered to be a by-product of sexual reproduction.[25] War and capital punishment were also condemned—an abnormality in Medieval Europe. In a world where few could read, their rejection of oath-taking marked them as social outcasts.

>Cathars also rejected marriage. This practice was based principally on the belief that the physical world, including the flesh, was irredeemably evil—as it stemmed from the evil principle or "demiurge".[39] Therefore, reproduction was viewed by them as a moral evil to be avoided—as it continued the chain of reincarnation and suffering in the material world. It was claimed by their opponents that, given this loathing for procreation, they generally resorted to sodomy. Such was the situation that a charge of heresy leveled against a suspected Cathar was usually dismissed if the accused could show he was legally married.


>The Cathars believed that one would be repeatedly reincarnated until one commits to the self-denial of the material world, which meant that a man could be reincarnated as a woman and vice versa, thereby rendering gender completely meaningless.[46] The spirit was of utmost importance to the Cathars and was described as being immaterial and sexless.[46] Because of this belief, the Cathars saw women equally capable of being spiritual leaders, which undermined the very concept of gender as held by the Catholic Church and did not go unnoticed

>>19366145
>what religion is and does, and the role that it plays in our life and reality
It causes people to lie. There's no reason to investigate it any further or deeper than that.

>>19366151

christ (INRI icthus) isn't not dionysius aka the hanged god isn't not priapus.

literally every religion is a sex cult.

>>19366126
it's just reformed judaism that cannibalized the mithras cultism and symbolic + heathen holidays of europe.

>>19366159
I bet you're a big hit at recess

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>>19366159

if someone lies to you, you investigate because you want to know the truth.

people lie to keep secrets.

this is intended to lead you to the conclusion that there is secret knowledge worth having, and worth lying about to those who don't want to know.

curiosity did kill the pussy, didn't it?

>>19366186
>worth lying about to those who don't want to know.
Knowledge never takes this form.

>>19366195

if you think knowledge is something that you are owed, i can see why you might be offended that people lie to you.

there are people that would kill you for stealing knowledge, or withholding it.

>>19366126
It's a spin off of true enlightenment
it got something correct but has a few flaws
it dosen't represent the truth
only a few people know the truth

>>>19366116

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>>19366249
>>19366195

but i will say that i am not lying to you.

>>19366249
>owed
Oh you fool. Do you really think you have anything I don't?

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>>19366267

what are you asking *me* for?

Egoless transmutation of sexual energy was the goal. Example, Jesus first miracle was turning water (semenal fluids) into wine.

>>19366310
In case you were smart enough to answer honestly. Did you think I requested information at any point?

>>19366126

well. was Mary a virgin or not?

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>>19366339

One thing that I know is the difference between a request and a rejection.

>>19366391
You offered nothing, nor did you have a reference frame to understand the depth of my knowledge. You posture and pretend and assume, as if you're immersed in a world that the common man doesn't understand.

Now ask yourself how well someone with your knowledge could pose as a common man.

Knowledge never lies. Only fools hide.

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>>19366422

>Knowledge never lies. Only fools hide.

Sounds either suicidal or vegetarian.

>>19366151
Proto-christian sects had nothing to do with their more "modern" couterparts. Also the Cathars were pretty badass for a gnostic sect, a shame they lost their wars.

>>19366434
They were faggots just asking to be wiped out

>anti war in an age of endless war and barbarian invasions
>refuse to have kids, religion will never grow

>>19366431
>suicidal
What's there to be afraid of, anon?

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>>19366457

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BUQwg-Q5gQ

try to remember

>>19366471
If you won't speak for yourself then there's nothing worth remembering in your vicinity.

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>>19366482

Don't forget who I speak for.

>>19366496
There's too much faggotry in your posts to forget that you represent OP.

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Christianity is a Meme---

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>>19366511

Whats the difference between lying, and being wrong?

And what's the difference between hunting and hiding?

>>19366126
People criticize it because it doesn't give all the answers but its not fair because it was only meant to be a handbook and guide for humanity, its meant for plebs. God meant you were supposed to keep looking, this is what Revelation is supposed to encourage you to do that is the attitude of the ancient scientists, so it should be for us, we have the entire internet we can use it to know the truth.

>>19366528
>Whats the difference between lying, and being wrong?
Honesty.

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>>19366552

a man who is honest with others, but not with himself, is a slave. prey.

a man who is honest with himself, but not with others, is a warrior. predator.

you're sorely mistaken if you think that this is not a choice you have to make... and i don't have all day.

>>19366126
But Christianity is all about sex and giving birth, the things that follows after making love.
Women need something to hold on when they undergo the greatest pain you can imagine. They need hope. Hope that, although they might die at giving birth, their pain is not without purpose. They need the hope that their child will make a difference. There child is the promise of pregnancy, baby Jesus / Mohammed.
That is the whole truth.
THAT is what they choose to believe.
For they believe in creating life. They call that GOD.
So now you know, now you see, why religion is so important.

>>19366620
Kill yourself.

>>19366628
I've given up all hopes and dreams on finding a mate in this lifetime and I still believe in The Christ.

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>>19366632

A man can live by lying. A man can die from being wrong.

You can save a man by lying to him, but you can't save a man by being wrong. Unless you're actually trying to kill him.

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>>19366634

have you tried satan?

>>19366648
A man can live by being wrong. A man can die from lying.

>Unless you're actually trying to kill him.
You're the only one here that wants anyone to murder anyone else. That's the choice you make every time you don't kill yourself.

>>19366634
If you do believe, go to church and someone will see you and make you fall in love. That is the actual purpose of church. Ask your mom, she will confirm it. If you trust in Christ, you are ready to start a family and that is where the girls and women in church are waiting for. That is their goal and dream.

>>19366126
it's a anti-women male dominant pro-breeding cult.

>>19366160
Yeah Christ isn't any of those things, correct.

>>19366665
haha get fucked satan

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>>19366733

i will, what about you?

>>19366126
The funny part is,
nothing about Christianity is literally true, including angels, demons, God and Satan.
Why is that funny?
All who claim to have contacted one of those are lying or trying to say something else.
It's the biggest bait and conspiracy mankind has ever created. And ALL parents know about it. Most just will never admit it. Religion is the basis of human culture.

>>19366126
this picture looks like a vagina at first glance. or am i the only one seeing this?

>>19366780
I will believe virtuous people over some faggot on 4chan.

>>19366794

yes, you are the only person obsessed with vagina

>>19366794
Oooh, fuck. I see it now.

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>>19366795
You are so tied up, you don't even see the humor in that. Your lose Anon. Enjoy your existence some more. Have a little fun in life!!!

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>>19366668

you got that right, buddy.

>>19366126
nigga das a pussy

>>19367652
boii das puu tang
XDD

priase da lord

>>19366794

>fertility cult

Pretty sure that's the point

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>>19366552
Nailed it

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>>19366267
>>19366422
>>19366482
>Oh you fool
>Common man
>Knowledge never lies. Only fools hide.

>>19368179
Do you have some kind of problem with honesty and knowledge that you want to tell me about?

>>19368195
I think he's making fun of the way you talk, because you come off as an edgy try-hard teenie bopper.

>>19368207
The guy I was arguing with was a pretentious faggot of the highest order, literally arguing that there are secrets so powerful that the only sane way to deal with them is to lie to people about them.

Omission is always superior to willfully lying.

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>>19367789

(It was intent)

Now you learn what the claw on a claw hammer does

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>>19368223

Im that guy

And i can assure you, that there are no secrets so powerful that people have spent their lives misleading the public about them and which there must always be men willing to act with complete ruthlessness to protect.

There are no billion dollar industries whose job is to render the slave masses incapable of believing such a thing.

Such a thing is not possible.

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>>19368265
>secrets so powerful
This is where it all ends for you.

Even the most powerful secret yields to knowledge.

>>19368284

Thus encryption and keys.

There are doors you can not go through, doors you should not go through, and doors you seriously do not want to go through.

And then there's the bouncer.

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>>19368265
This post is true. Nothing to see, it's all coincidence and confirmation bias.

>>19368265
>And i can assure you, that there are no secrets

no you can't assure me of that.

the whole point of a secret is you not knowing.