Is it true that if you orgasm you lose some of your finite amount

Pretty sure it's not. People who masturbate every day live as long as people who don't.

>>19215979
just chant om in the sunlight.

>>19215979
No. It's just that (according to the taoists, not me, nor science, so it could be wrong) it takes a lot of energy for the body to create sperm, so if you conserve it, you're body doesn't need to expend more energy to keep making it again and again, thus increasing vitality. This is perhaps why the eastern religions almost all have a component of non-orgasm (brahmacharya for the yogis/hindus/buddhists, non-orgasm for the taoists, etc).

>>19215979
Edging makes u jesus

>no fap reached /x/
saged

>>19216038

Could be wrong, but I thought it was more about the energy released during orgasm. Not really the loss of sperm

>>19216060
I think it's actually both. A few of the Taoist masters I've read lean more towards the creation of sperm thing but I'm sure I've heard mention of the energy used during expulsion.

>>19216060
one and the same.

HAHAHAHAHAH

you guys are fucking pathetic. it's exactly like losing mucus. you were all preached wrong to.

Gurdjieff:
The human machine and its functions are very limited. If it is not spoilt, if it is normal and natural, its business and main function is the production of a physical substance, the male and female seed, the sperm. Breathing, eating, thinking, sleep and so on exist for the production of this physical substance, seed, sperm. It is very important not to connect this with its fruit, i.e., child, descendants.

If we take the human machine and consider the question of food as cause, then the effect of food will be the sperm. It is not the moment to speak in detail about cause and effect. We will at the moment confine ourselves to saying that if the question of food is important for a man, the question of sex is equally so. A rightly working machine is one which justifies its construction. It is possible to judge approximately of the right work of the machine by the quantity of sperm it produces. If sperm is not produced, this means that the machine is not in order. We are now speaking of the correct working of the machine. This also is indispensable for our aims and intentions and possible achievements, for they depend on whether the machine works rightly. Our aim is to have a sound machine and one of its main and indispensable parts is that of sex.

Consequently at the beginning of work on oneself, it is necessary to turn our attention to the question of sex as being one of the main problems. This is why i intend to tackle this problem without delay from the very beginning. Since it is a long business, we will speak about details later and will consider the question both theoretically and practically to establish with all possible exactitude the means for bringing the machine to its proper state.

>>19216092
You're probably balding from how much you masturbate. It's ok, eventually you'll have so little testosterone that you'll want to become a trap. After a few years as living as a sissy trap you'll realize what a mistake it all was and you'll kill yourself.

>>19216103
In the meantime in every machine, if it is being fed, this matter (sperm) is produced. This particular matter is deposited and stored in a definite place In the organism and from time to time in a normal machine this place must be evacuated in order to be refilled. There are two ways of evacuating this place; it can be done either through sexual intercourse, or by transforming this matter into a different kind of matter by will power, using the possibilities given us. But for the second method, for transforming this substance into another kind of substance, we have at present neither the power nor the possibility, for in order to be able to use this substance when we need energy or power, we must first acquire other qualities and powers. And in order to acquire the necessary possibilities we must correct the working of the machine to insure a normal process.

Again, owing to wrong upbringing, a wrong way of living and wrong circumstances, in the case of the majority the state of affairs in this respect is very distressing and needs serious examination. In order to be able to work normally on oneself one must not forget to do what is possible for this process to proceed normally. Since this is the way we are made, for the time being it is necessary from time to time to have normal sexual relations. That time depends on the person, so there are no rules about this.

>>19216104
Sounds about as scientific as bill nye.

It's not finite. It regenerates over time. Otherwise everyone on 4chan wold be dead.

>>19216020
this guy gets it.

>>19216104
and you salivate like a pig but won't call it drool

>>19216124
Ouspensky quoting Gurdjieff:

"'At the same time sex plays a tremendous role in maintaining the mechanicalness of life. Everything that people do is connected with 'sex': politics, religion, art, the theater, music, is all 'sex.' Do you think people go to the theater or to church to pray or to see some new play? That is only for the sake of appearances. The principal thing, in the theater as well as in church, is that there will be a lot of women or a lot of men. This is the center of gravity of all gatherings. What do you think brings people to cafés, to restaurants, to various fetes? One thing only. Sex: it is the principal motive force of all mechanicalness. All sleep, all hypnosis, depends upon it.

"'You must try to understand what I mean. Mechanicalness is especially dangerous when people try to explain it by something else and not by what it really is. When sex is clearly conscious of itself and does not cover itself up by anything else it is not the mechanicalness about which I am speaking. On the contrary sex which exists by itself and is not dependent on anything else is already a great achievement. But the evil lies in this constant self-deception!"

[...]

"'But in the [human organism] there is a further possibility. And this is the possibility of creating a new life within the actual organism, in which the [semen] has been manufactured, without the union of the two principles, the male and the female. A new octave then develops within the organism, not outside it. This is the birth of the 'astral body.' You must understand that the 'astral body' is born of the same material, of the same matter, as the physical body, only the process is different. The whole of the physical body, all its cells, are, so to speak, permeated by emanations of the matter si 12 [semen]. And when they have become sufficiently saturated the matter si 12 begins to crystallize. The crystallization of this matter constitutes the formation of the 'astral body.'

>>19216038
Actually, in Chinese tradition, there are many kinds of energies named "Qi"
Life force is separated in 2 main kinds of Qi, one is Nutricial Qi (Sorry if the english translation is wrong), and the other is Essential Qi, while the Nutricial is completely replenishable, and exists from food and breathing, the Essential Qi is inherited from ancestors, and it signifies vital lifeforce. When Essential Qi is depleted, life ends. That is why meditation (with breathing) and a good diet are said to be the key to a long healthy life, the less you use from Essential Qi, the more you live on Nutricial Qi which, unlike Essential Qi, can be replenished.

>>19216157
"'The transition of matter si 12 into emanations and the gradual saturation of the whole organism by it is what alchemy calls 'transmutation' or transformation. It is first this transformation of the physical body into the astral that alchemy called the transformation of the 'coarse' into the 'fine' or the transformation of base metals into gold.

"'Completed transmutation, that is to say, the formation of the 'astral body,' is possible only in a healthy, normally functioning organism. In a sick, or a perverted, or a crippled organism, no transmutation is possible.'"

"'Is complete sexual abstinence necessary for transmutation and is sexual abstinence, in general, useful for work on oneself?' we asked [Gurdjieff].

"'Here there is not one but a number of questions,' said G. 'In the first place sexual abstinence is necessary for transmutation only in certain cases, that is, for certain types of people. For others it is not at all necessary. And with yet others it comes by itself when transmutation begins. I will explain this more clearly. For certain types a long and complete sexual abstinence is necessary for transmutation to begin; this means in other words that without a long and complete sexual abstinence transmutation will not begin. But once it has begun abstinence is no longer necessary. In other cases, that is, with other types, transmutation can begin in a normal sexual life—and on the contrary, can begin sooner and proceed better with a very great outward expenditure of sex energy. In the third case the beginning of transmutation does not require abstinence, but, having begun, transmutation takes the whole of sexual energy and puts an end to normal sexual life or the outward expenditure of sex energy.

>>19216170
"Then the other question—'Is sexual abstinence useful for the work or not?'

"It is useful if there is abstinence in all centers. If there is abstinence in one center and full liberty of imagination in the others, then there could be nothing worse. And still more, abstinence can be useful if a man knows what to do with the energy which he saves in this way. If he does not know what to do with it, nothing whatever can be gained by abstinence."

Q: "Speaking in general, what is the most correct form of life in this connection from the point of view of the work?"

A: "It is impossible to say. I repeat that while a man does not know it is better for him not to attempt anything. Until he has new and exact knowledge it will be quite enough if his life is guided by the usual rules and principles. If a man begins to theorize and invent in this sphere, it will lead to nothing except psychopathy. But it must again be remembered that only a person who is completely normal as regards sex has any chance in the work. Any kind of 'originality,' strange tastes, strange desires, or, on the other hand, fears, constantly working 'buffers,' must be destroyed from the very beginning. Modem education and modem life create an enormous number of sexual psychopaths. They have no chance at all in the' work.

"Speaking in general, there are only two correct ways of expending sexual energy— normal sexual life and transmutation. All inventions in this sphere are very dangerous.

>>19216179
"People have tried abstinence from times beyond memory. Sometimes, very rarely, it has led to something but in most cases what is called abstinence is simply exchanging normal sensations for abnormal, because the abnormal are more easily hidden. But it is not about this that I wish to speak. You must understand where lies the chief evil and what makes for slavery. It is not in sex itself but in the abuse of sex. But what the abuse of sex means is again misunderstood. People usually take this to be either excess or perversion. But these are comparatively innocent forms of abuse of sex. And it is necessary to know the human machine very well in order to grasp what abuse of sex in the real meaning of these words is. It means the wrong work of centers in relation to sex, that is, the action of the sex center through other centers, and the action of other centers through the sex center; or, to be still more precise, the functioning of the sex center with energy borrowed from other centers and the functioning of other centers with energy borrowed from the sex center."

>>19216190
[...]
"This is the 'abuse of sex.' It is necessary, further, to remember that the sex center [...] is stronger and quicker than all other centers. Sex, in fact, governs all other centers. The only thing in ordinary circumstances, that is, when man has neither consciousness nor will, that holds the sex center in submission is 'buffers' [societal norms we use to repress ourselves]. 'Buffers' can entirely bring it to nought, that is, they can stop its normal manifestation. But they cannot destroy its energy. The energy remains and passes over to other centers, finding expression for itself through them; in other words, the other centers rob the sex center of the energy which it does not use itself. The energy of the sex center in the work of the thinking, emotional, and moving centers can be recognized by a particular 'taste,' by a particular fervor, by a vehemence which the nature of the affair concerned does not call for. The thinking center writes books, but in making use of the energy of the sex center it does not simply occupy itself with philosophy, science, or politics—it is always fighting something, disputing, criticizing, creating new subjective theories. The emotional center preaches Christianity, abstinence, asceticism, or the fear and horror of sin, hell, the torment of sinners, eternal fire, all this with the energy of the sex center. ... Or on the other hand it works up revolutions, robs, bums, kills, again with the same energy. The moving center occupies itself with sport, creates various records, climbs mountains, jumps, fences, wrestles, fights, and so on. In all these instances, that is, in the work of the thinking center as well as in the work of the emotional and the moving centers, when they work with the energy of the sex center, there is always one general characteristic and this is a certain particular vehemence and, together with it, the uselessness of the work in question.

>>19216134
>>19216137
future traps confirmed.

>Giving yourself to celibacy
>Giving into submission instead of being free

Look a lot of anons ask questions like this and it's generally implied that we are talking about wacking it to hardcore porn.

Porn is a way of submission. I doubt most people on here sit in a dark room and jerk without visual stimulus; the real question you should be asking yourself is why you would submit to the former or latter? Scaring yourself into losing sacred energy you probably know little about is just mundane. If you've read anything about Taoism at all they believed in directing the orgasm energies back into the chakras at ejaculation. This practice was done by hand pressure on the perineum for newbies or done by masters at the practice at will with no physical blocking. The sperm just goes into the bladder and you piss it out. It's about directing the force and not "losing" or expelling the energies out of your body. Christfags and the like make people afraid of jerking off especially nofappers because they have no spiritual basis for their claims they are just afraid jerking off makes their muscles look smaller.

A true initiate will see through the shilling that's going on and reject hedonism for what it is which is a misguided rebelling against the old religions; and at the same time someone on this path will also reject the old guard religions of the world for their equal suppression of the spirit.

The modern soul has deteriorated so much, but it's not because you came too much; it's suppression of the natural order of things due to mainstream religion, kikes, and the Genesis of the modern world.

yeah, you lose prana
also you lose minerals and other nutrients
also 1 drop of sperm equals 60 drops of blood according to ayurveda
at least shoot it inside a woman if you have to cum

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>>19216381
What about eating your own cum though? Been doing it for about two years.

>>19216647
very sinful, considered black magic in some parts of the world

>>19216653
will I get my dark majick superpowers eventually then?

I was thinking about this yesterday. What if we lose energy when we masturbate but when we have sex, there is a transfer of energy so we don't as much.

Let's say a man with 9000 energy fucks a woman with 8500 energy. He loses only 500 while she gains 500.

Alternative theory: because women are receivers, they do not expell energy. Instead they only take from men, like the succubuses they really are.

>>19216104
Balding trap?

This is what the Taoists say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moqcr4CzmnA

>>19216739
What if you're a woman and feel excessive sexual energy your monogamous male partner cannot satisfy, but neither of you usually cum anyway despite having sexual sessions lasting over two hours on average?

>tfw really want to get into tantric sex but partner is coming to terms with porn addiction and has to re-learn sex as an expression of passion

>>19215979
i just started reading up on kabbala, i'm sure that jerking it (orgasming) has to do with wasting a request for life.

God is life (and the author of it), and our prime directive is to continue life (created in his image) so when we "spill the seed", we are comiting a sin directly against God(spiting in Gods face)

>>19216921
But is God capable of being offended, is the question.

And if he/she/they are, are they also capable of being into some kinky shit? We're already suffering...

>>19215979
Our life force is not finite.
Our time is, but not our energy.
We do what we need to and then we die when we need to.

>>19216746
wigs, nigga

>>19215979
You lose life force, but you gain the derivative of life force with respect to time. It's a cycle, yo'!

>>19215979
If a child is born in a dark room and never uses their eyes to perceive light, they eyes will remain blind.

It's like a muscle that doesn't get used. It atrophies.

If you don't use your prostate, it will more than likely atrophy. You will lose your ability to boner. Women will not like you. I already don't like you.

>>19218012
If you don't have sex, or masturbate, you will find you start waking with wet underpants. It won't atrophy, that is for sure.

>>19216104
I laughed so hard reading this

>>19215979
Naw, just makes you more passive until the male refactory cycle kicks in.

>>19215979
Not permanently. You temporarily lose some energy but mostly from masturbation. During sex there's a mutual flow of life force. And it's not finite.

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>>19216104
Balding is caused by excess testosterone. Low test males typically keep their hair.

People used to think masturbating was a sin

Average lifespan was 40yrs


People masturbate regularly
Avergae lifespan is 70years
Lol ok.
Sperm energy needs to be released.
Your body is a machine it needs to be constantly moving and repleneshing to keep functioning properly

It needs to release all that energy. Why do you think emotional people make bad choices and die sooner

Because of all that energy clogging their body

>>19218221
It is more of a use it or lose it proposition.

Just like any other part of the body...

>>19218246
I mean the whole biologic purpose of your existence is to mate and reproduce.

You have millions of ancestors that died for you to be here

>>19215979
No, people are autistic and get niacin deficiency. It helps keep the sperm active. Having a lack of it causes people to feel/be lazy tired.

>>19215979
you have to suck up your cum to get that lifeforce back. every sperm is sacred

Of course

Star of David is on my dick

always knew masturbation was a Jewish trick

>>19215979
>no fap thread

>>19215979
Is it true that if you edge you store spiritual energy?
If I edge for infinity will I become a god?

>>19218875
And we won't stop seeing it either. Thanks Reddit

>>19215979
no fap and masterbait all you want

>>19216751
/thread

>>19218221
where is the factual proof of your claims hmm?
normal people were ALWAYS living a wasting life, it's part of the major culture on earth to have kids and family etc

>>19218923
no
you'll become edgy

>>19216007
thats what you think but they actually limit their life span

>>19218054
I'm glad.

>>19215979

Wacking off doesn't deplete life force, it wastes sexual energy. It takes about 3 days to replenish if your young. It takes longer and longer as you get older. HOWEVER. Just not masturbating isn't going to help you. You have to covert that sexual energy into whatever kind of energy you need at the time. If you just stop and sit around and do nothing, the energy builds up and becomes explosive anger.

>>19215979
yes that's true.

that's the reason why poor old hugh heffner died at the age of 47

>>19221512
This post is vastly underrated. 10/10

>>19221512
Hefner had a minor stroke in 1985 at the age of 59. After re-evaluating his lifestyle, he made several changes. The wild, all-night parties were toned down significantly and in 1988, daughter Christie began to run the Playboy empire.

>>19215979
There's no such simple thing as "life force". How long you live depends on many complex things, some are genetic, some can be influenced.
And orgasms would be healthy because they make you happy and require physical activity.

>>19215979
Just because your battery can only hold so much energy does not mean it wont recharge

That does not mean you should jack off all the time

and if you do skip the porn