So as a Christian, I understand logic behind predestination within

>>19194348
There's no empirical evidence to support it.

As an atheist, I would just say that predeterminism could be explained via cause and effect. Every event is predetermined by the events that happen directly before them. This includes everything from objects with mass attracting one another, to natural selection, to the firing of neurons in the human brain. Regardless of whether or not there was a first cause, or an infinite regression of causes, all all objects which have mass within our universe are governed by the four fundamental forces, and act accordingly. Just how I view it, of course.

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>>19194384
Maybe so, but I'd still like to hear it explained.

>>19194388
Ahh, okay. I understand, sort of. You saying cause and effect hammered it in for me. Even if "the first cause" was the Big Bang itself, everything since has been "determined" by events that happened prior, correct? I guess my fallacy was applying the idea of consciousness (God) to the idea of godless predeterminism (which is obviously illogical thinking on my part).

In short, I guess I see more of the difference between "predestination" and "predeterminism." In religion, predestiny is a choice the deity makes, and predeterminism is more of a domino falling situation.

Thanks a ton, by the way.

>>19194431
Your Facebook meme surely showed me, friendo. I guess I'll reconvert now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlxfDvSyPKA