So, now the dust has settled, just how occult was this album

>>19188479
The website Vigilant Citizen makes some of the best analisys of media, tv, movies and music :

https://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/occult-universe-david-bowie-meaning-blackstar/

This one is a keeper though, he was from the beggining to the end, one of the bad guys. And i quite liked his music , his character was very interesting, but at the end, hollow and evil.

Truly a shame, really.

>>19188515
>he was from the beggining to the end, one of the bad guys

Care to support this assertion?

>>19188517

Diff anon here, but his occult dabbling during his Station to Station period is legendary for all the wrong reasons. Also, The Man Who Sold The World was a very occult album lyric-wise.

>>19188546
>>19188546
Just don't see how some shit he did makes him "bad from beginning to end" or "one of that bad guys." He did some dumb shit. Cocaine is a hell of a drug. Occultism isn't inherently evil. It seems like it was a phase, because not much came of it RE: initiatic results afaik...Although the symbolism was there. See his last album. but really the message of his last album seems to make him the OPPOSITE of 'one of the bad guys'

>>19188564
the white duke phase was pretty evil, not sure about the rest of it though.

>>19188517
Have you read the article ? have you seen the covers of his albums ? have you seen the photos of the musicians who were around him in his NY bithday party ? Do you know what he truly was ?

I will gladly point out WHY he was a bad guy.

>>19188574
Different anon, please do!

>>19188564
> but really the message of his last album seems to make him the OPPOSITE of 'one of the bad guys'

And whats "his" message? please , post the lyrics to EVERY song in that album and i will gladly point out the true meaning of them.

Know , before you all guys jump on me , i liked the guy. before i knew what he and other artist really meant with their "art".

Dont blame the messanger etc, etc, etc.

>>19188574
>Have you read the article
Yes. Are you seeing something that I'm not seeing?
>I will gladly point out WHY he was a bad guy.
Please do, but only using citations and reality and not conjecture or hearsay.

>>19188586
>post the lyrics to EVERY song in that album and i will gladly point out the true meaning of them.
What makes your "meaning" any more valid than anyone else's interpretation. We would have to ask Bowie himself, even in places where the symbolism *seems* glaringly obvious, to know what HE truly meant when HE wrote them.

>>19188584
First the lyrics of blackstar :
Part 1 :

"Blackstar"
"Blackstar"

In the villa of Ormen, in the villa of Ormen
Stands a solitary candle, ah-ah, ah-ah
In the centre of it all, in the centre of it all
Your eyes

On the day of execution, on the day of execution
Only women kneel and smile, ah-ah, ah-ah
At the centre of it all, at the centre of it all
Your eyes, your eyes

Ah-ah-ah

Ah-ah-ah

In the villa of Ormen, in the villa of Ormen
Stands a solitary candle, ah-ah, ah-ah
At the centre of it all, at the centre of it all
Your eyes, your eyes
Ah-ah-ah

Something happened on the day he died
Spirit rose a metre and stepped aside
Somebody else took his place, and bravely cried:
(I'm a blackstar, I'm a blackstar)

How many times does an angel fall?
How many people lie instead of talking tall?
He trod on sacred ground, he cried aloud into the crowd
(I'm a blackstar, I'm a blackstar, I'm not a gangstar)

I can't answer why (I'm a blackstar)
Just go with me (I'm not a filmstar)
I'm a take you home (I'm a blackstar)
Take your passport and shoes (I'm not a popstar)
And your sedatives, boo (I'm a blackstar)
You're the flash in the pan (I'm not a marvelstar)
I'm the great I am (I'm a blackstar)

I'm a blackstar, way up, on money, I've got game
I see right, so wide, so open-hearted pain
I want eagles in my daydreams, diamonds in my eyes
(I'm a blackstar, I'm a blackstar)

>>19188588
Will do it , just please, you and the other guys in the tread, wait a sec , i am gathering the materials , i made a thread here in x and in pol regarding the death of chris cornell and it degenerated into a bowies one.

>>19188595
I respectfully disagree, his lyrics are for the people "in the known" , this solidarity and love towards his music and persona, is something FAKE, anon, thats the truly sad aspect of it.

We loved the fucker, he did not returned the favor.

Just....
>Oh no, not me
>I've never lost control
>You're face to face
>With The Man Who Sold The World!

>>19188618
>We
Speak for yourself. I loved his MUSIC. But unless you have any actual evidence to back your conjecture as to "meaning" of his songs, we can safely dismiss your assertion.

>That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

But I guess when you start buying into crazy conspiracy theories, the dividing line between objective reality and one's subjective opinion gets hazier and hazier.

>>19188546
This anon speaks the true, most people think this "dark" period was just a phase, i say it was through all his life.

First , two links so this thread can go a bit faster :

https://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/labyrinth-starring-david-bowie-a-blueprint-to-mind-control/

https://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/occult-universe-david-bowie-meaning-blackstar/

>>19188630
Hold you horses anon, first , please tell me what you would consider "hard" proof, before i go and start searching for all the materials for my exposé on the subject.

Cant be arsed if you have a pre-conceived image of him. Have to shatter that one, homey.

>>19188640
Anything that would stand up in a court of law, a laboratory, or an academic setting, against analysis and scrutiny. Pretty much the universal definition.

>>19188632
You keep citing what is essentially a glorified blog. Certainly hope there is more diversity in your upcoming citations

>>19188646
So you want me to go and break into his (former) property, find the so called "smoking gun" take pictures , weight it and the make an laboratory analisys of such findings ? It seems a bit much for a web forum, doesnt it ?

Because really, that seems a bit too much for me.

>>19188656
Post your entry level shit then. something to get the fire going if you will

>>19188650
And you are the internet authority for what is a "blog" or a "serious" internet site ?

Please , show me a "respectfully" paranormal websites first. One that has not been mocked , debased, attacked , made ridicule, first.

Cant find one? I thought so.

You see anon, you wont find you CNN anchors talking about this subject nor a "respectful" member of society talking about the subject.

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>>19188479
>>19188515
>Vigilant Citizen
lmao

Here's a good essay on his history
http://www.parareligion.ch/bowie.htm
And here's someone pointing out the occult influence in his works
https://delilahmywoman.com/2016/08/26/im-a-blackstar-the-esoteric-catalog-of-the-musical-wizard-david-bowie/

>>19188665
No, just want legitimate reputable writers that are published on sites that are known to report accurately and cite their sources, while keeping the wild speculation to a bare minimum. It doesn't have to be a paranormal site in order to report on the interests and activities of a public figure.

>>19188664
Lets talk about his final album, Black star, First a link to the video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kszLwBaC4Sw

Please guys, watch it first.

>>19188656
You don't have to go that far. Did you ever have to go that far to get your citations when writing an analytical or persuasive essay for a professor? Or did you not graduate from high school, yet?

>>19188669
>http://www.parareligion.ch/bowie.htm
>His work resembles that of many European post–romantic novelists and thinkers, such as Hermann Hesse (the Steppenwolf), Gustav Gründgens (his most famous rôle: Mephistopheles in Goethe's Faust) and Aleister Crowley.

Well anon, if this line is not something that makes you laught like the pic you just posted toward me, well i got some bad news for you.

>>19188683
Hey so much hostily in the air! Whats all with this attitude ? I haven exposed anything yet , and you guys are jumping down directly to my throat?

Imagine what you guys will post when i conclude my expose by sauing that David Bowie was a pederast. Imagine that.

>>19188703
We're just trying to establish the line between presumption/conjecture and actual presentation of actual evidence. You are accusing others of LOVING Bowie, claiming to have 'loved' him yourself, while making it abundantly clear you are here with an agenda. So you are welcome to advance that agenda, so long as all you assertions are independently verifiable, like they must be in any other aspect of life, in order to be taken seriously.

>>19188586
Please tell me the meaning of blackstar.

>>19188682
Okay dude, watched, Please procede

>>19188709
And what agenda would that be ? shitting on well liked musicians ? saying nefarious things about "lovely" Bowie ?

But i did not worded the phrase correctly , i USED to PERSONALLY love his MUSIC.period. Now that i know what he truly was, i detest him and his artistic output. Better, anon ?

Funny thing, in the Cornell Thread in /pol/, gee, i found the same "resistance" againt this exposé.

Funnty that you mention the word agenda , there are two posters here, which seem incredible hurt, as if David Bowie was no more than something you buy in a store or listen freely on youtube or such site .

This hostility seems personal anon, what are YOU up to ?

>>19188743
N-E-WAYYY
Watched the video. Please proceed.

>>19188743
Different anon here, please get to your fucking point - what is wrong with Bowie?

>>19188723
The meaning of Blackstar is that , his contract with evilness, just expired. He after getting his hearts wishes, he is returning to the "BlackStar", ie, the collective entity of negative souls know as the bad guys.

Have you seen the first season of the tv show True Detective? The guys who kidnapped the children and murdered them in ritualistic fashion , were ALSO waiting for the "BlackStar" to come:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vla-8D_U_Po

Whats all the hoppla here and in /pol/ this last few months ?The september 23 event , and whats the event ? And Eclipse.

>>19188693
They're certainly erring a bit on the side of exaggeration, but do you care to refute that quote in any meaningful way? Not saying it can't be refuted, it almost certainly can, but it would be nice for you to say more than "That's just as dumb as the dumb shit *I* posted"

>>19188773
Ok, neat. What information/precedent is this based upon?

>>19188786
It's what he was talking about all his life.

>>19188773
Why are they waiting for the BlackStart /Katchinka/DeathStar, you might ask ? Because they can "forfeit" the judgment by the True Creator/God/The Big Guy In The Sky, and keep "living" their wildest dreams, they just have to make a "thing or two" for the collective.

>>19188632
lmao at linking fucking vigilant citizen.. LOLOL

>>19188773
>>19188743
>>19188703
>>19188693
>>19188682
>>19188632
>>19188618
nothing worse than a pretentious conspiracy theorist

>>19188797
Can you link us up to some interviews or something where he references it, pham?
Particularly interested in the precedence of the usage of the term "Black Star" as relates to the meaning which you have ascribed to it.

>>19188564
>Occultism isn't inherently evil

wrong

>>19188775
Sure , the link you just posted comes from the perspective of a person who is well read, has a higher education than normal, but only has superficial knowledge into the occult, from the people mentioned in the first paragraph, i can tell you with out a shadow of a doubt, Aleister was true black magicians, not some "Post-Romantic" writer. Thats just the normal thought a person would have if he/she saw it from the perspective of the un-initiated.


now, before you guys start jumping AGAIN on me , i am not the fucking oracle, this is something you can also search it just takes a great toll on you.

>>19188826
Then that makes Jesus, Solomon, and most of the notable figures in the Abrahamic religions, evil.

I only know what he was talking about when he said, "She could spit in the faces of fools who tell her to look on" and I appreciate it, being the fool

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>>19188804
Please , as i said in a previous post, please show me a well respected fridge site? Cant find it ? Wonder why, anon ?

What , you wanted an expose of evil deeds on CNN ? An HBO movie about David Bowies life ? "Bowie : i am fucking evil - season 1" ?

>>19188833
>Aleister was a TRUE black magician
>perspective of the un-initiated.
You are here LITERALLY espousing the
>perspective of the un-initiated.

but Ape hosts all of Crowley's unpublished diaries in his free library, if you'd care to thumb thru and reference them, then get back to us. The man recorded, literally, almost everything that occured during every waking *and* sleeping hour of his lifetime, beginning in early adulthood. Surely there will be plenty of evidence of all this "black magic" he did?

>>19188811
Pretentious ? Do you even know what the word means, anon? What it truly means? Go check your dictionary baby, the older the better and you will find something aking to what happened to the word Nimrod......

>>19188851
So what you're saying is, there is no actual evidence, therefore we must make conjecture by utilizing conspiracy blogs and personal interpretations of his art? Neato.
>>19188845
It's unbelievable that someone un-ironically created that image. Or, rather, so believable as to disappoint.

>>19188835
LOL nice try satan

>>19188857
Of course there is evidence of his "achievements" in the occult ' Why do you think Jimmy Page bought his house ? Because he was a romantic writer ?

>>19188865
lol

>>19188868
Excuse me ? Dont put words in my mouth / post, i havent posted anything serious and you are still jumping on me, really , whats wrong anon, did David Bowie saved your life or something ? Did you felt greatly connected to him and his endevours? Maybe you want to be the next David Bowie.

Settle down, mate , i will have a ciggy, i will come back in 10 mins tops and you will have yourr expose, chill out , good or evil , David Bowie is death and you shouldnt take something like this so serious.

Maybe its all horseshit anon, maybe its time to close this tab.

>>19188479
>>19188604

Typical Toltec Sorcery.

"Blackstar" (The Great Eagle/Emanations at large)
"Blackstar"

In the villa of Ormen, in the villa of Ormen (Villa of Carmen)
Stands a solitary candle, ah-ah, ah-ah (Luminous Being/energy body/ nagual)
In the centre of it all, in the centre of it all (Assemblage Point)
Your eyes (Seeing / perception shift or awareness)

On the day of execution, on the day of execution (losing ego/ old self and beginning of transformation)
Only women kneel and smile, ah-ah, ah-ah (nagual women, death is feminine energy )
At the centre of it all, at the centre of it all
Your eyes, your eyes

Ah-ah-ah

Ah-ah-ah

In the villa of Ormen, in the villa of Ormen
Stands a solitary candle, ah-ah, ah-ah
At the centre of it all, at the centre of it all
Your eyes, your eyes
Ah-ah-ah

Something happened on the day he died (interface with the great unknown after self sacrifice burning from within)
Spirit rose a metre and stepped aside (shifting of awareness, movement of the assemblage point into the "Left"- the double)
Somebody else took his place, and bravely cried:
(I'm a blackstar, I'm a blackstar) :defying death/the great eagle)

How many times does an angel fall?
How many people lie instead of talking tall?
He trod on sacred ground, he cried aloud into the crowd
(I'm a blackstar, I'm a blackstar, I'm not a gangstar) :generations of naguals trail and error exploring the Unknown)

I can't answer why (I'm a blackstar)
Just go with me (I'm not a filmstar)
I'm a take you home (I'm a blackstar)
Take your passport and shoes (I'm not a popstar)
And your sedatives, boo (I'm a blackstar)
You're the flash in the pan (I'm not a marvelstar)
I'm the great I am (I'm a blackstar) : initiation in the Great Sea of Awareness.

I'm a blackstar, way up, on money, I've got game
I see right, so wide, so open-hearted pain (Mastering "Seeing"/shifting)
I want eagles in my daydreams, diamonds in my eyes (Dreaming body/energy & SEEING)
(I'm a blackstar, I'm a blackstar)

>>19188878
Occultist=/= MUH EBULL BLACK MAJISHUN. He is on record in several places speaking out against so-called 'black magic' and his *personal* definiton of Black Magick was: Any Magical act or operation that is not done with the ultimate aim, directly or indirectly, of attaining the knowledge and Conversation of one's Holy guardian Angel.

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Insane shills hate Bowie because he flipped on all the pedophilia/transgenderism occult Socialism shit in Hollywood/the Democrats.

The album "Blackstar" is about the rise of one-world government alien-transhumanism cult fascism. References to Christianity and Islam being unified.

The video to "Blackstar" specifically implies the "aliens" are really spiritual entities disgusing themselves as something else.

>>19188894
>"I will gladly point out WHY he was a bad guy."
(insert extensive commentary based entirely on personal opinion)

Still waiting for the citations RE: your lyric interpretations, anon

>>19188913
Citation?

>>19188878

page one in the book of the law - "if you read further you go to hell"

Blackstar is super simple. He's no longer a burning star, his light has gone out. It's that's simple. It sounds "evil" because it's an album in which a man is facing his death and putting it on display. It's a scary thing to go through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1Zcngd3VA

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>>19188928
David Bowie, "the original cheeto".

>>19188930
Teehee. The best part is, must Christian loonies don't realize that "hell" isn't even scriptural, and the modern conception of hell even existing, not to mention what it looks like, comes from literal, definite fiction. (See: The Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost)

>>19188934
Yup. There's even an Elvis song by the same name, with a very similar theme, and we know Bowie liked and listened to Elvis...

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>>19188937
>>19188913

From the Comet Pizza instagram rabbithole.

>>19188937
Would need to compare those statistics to all the equivalent statistics of years past in order to verify he has made any significant progress, though ,unfortunately.

>>19188955
Was just about to post it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_UHZ_62GCI

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>>19188963
It's all on the FBI's own site. Less than 450 arrests each year - yes, year - 2010-2015.

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>>19188983
>>19188955
>>19188934

>pretend to be different people who came to /x/ to agree a David Bowie song is just an oblique reference to Elvis
>simple, simple it's simple
>did I mention it's just simple yet

You don't think this shit through at all

I regret making this thread, This is a shit-show even by /x/ standards.

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>>19188898
https://youtu.be/ibi-J74NyTw

>>19188984
Don't see a heading that says "sex trafficking" or "child exploitation." There are plenty of stats re: rape, prostitution, and sex crimes, but don't see anything about sex crimes against children. D'you have a link? Call me paranoid, but poking around on the FBI website isn't exactly my idea of "safe fun." ESPECIALLY if it involves a keyword search that has potential to make me look like a sicko

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>>19189007

>>19189007
you caught me omg so smart

>>19189007
>>19189055


>You don't think this shit through at all

Just wanted to share this - seems pretty goodguy-ish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j9AX85ERsA

You're the worst debater ever fucking moron. You made one fucking post exposing concrete ideas the rest was mindless back n forth about how you were going to prove them wrong.

>>19188983
More cult reference on Toltec Sorcery.
https://youtu.be/emM0SH3wpUw

https://youtu.be/IMYz1BrSksY

>>19188899
Anon have you ever heard of the concept : "Lie your ass off"?.

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Seriously. Fuck all of you guys. I have been obsessed with this album ever since day 1. He's a seer but a liar (Heat).
Bowie was obsessed with Nietzsche and the concept of the Overman ever since Hunky Dory. Listen to Quicksand and Oh you Pretty Things.
The Thin White Duke's character was an aryan aristocrat. Bowie was against zog and even defended and was dabbled with fascism too early, his mother having a relationship with Oswald Mosley. Look up Bowie's quote on fascism. After the backlash, he had to quickly blame it on drugs and go on MTV to call them out for not playing more black musicians.
David Bowie just went even more subtle with his messages. The entirety of Hunky Dory could be seen as a pro-fascist album. He got away with it because he dressed like a trap and sang literally /pol/
Blackstar = Black Sun. When a star dies. Its matter lives on. Whoever understands Bowie's message, he still lives on through them for when the black sun rises (September 23).

>>19188922
>(insert extensive commentary based entirely on personal opinion)
Character assasination cant happen when the subject is only teasing you. Your defense of David Bowie is the only supernatural thing on this thread.

What are you up to anon ? Cmon spill the beans.

>>19188913
But he is / was as pedo as anyone else in this world, including Democrats and Republicans and Communist etc.

>>19189152
He sure was dedicated then, lying in his personal diaries that were never meant to be published, and in fact never have been. And to ALL of his students. And in ALL of his letters to friends and loved ones. But I'm sure you know everything, way more than somebody who has studied the guy's life and progress of his attainment for years.

Anyway, care to give us some examples of his 'black magic?'

>>19188930
Whos laws ? Can i get a printed version of it ? The one that they gave at birth , well simple, i cannot find it .

Even i cant be so vague. Again, spill the beans, anon.

>>19189164
Not defending him personally. As I said, he was a great musician and song writer. Not sure how demanding evidence that provides at LEAST reasonable suspicion (but preferable probable cause) to believe you are not full of shit. My only reason for trying to lay this out beforehand being the kind of trash articles you cited right off the bat. And yet here we are. See
>>19189092
Also, still waiting for your dumb ass to answer to
>>19189007
>>19189055

>>19188913
>>19188934
You have to go deeper anons, just start doing your on independent search on the subject and you will that all the visuals , lyrics,the music itself , and the way he carried himself through life, would speak of someone who was knee deep into the occult (the bad occult if you wish to call it like that).

>>19189201
Believe he is talking about Liber AL vel Legis,

>>19189161
(cont)
Looking at pic related. It's Mosley's Flash and Circle. BUF nicknaming it the "Flash in the pan". Remember the lyric, "You're the Flash in the Pan. I'm the great I am".
Blackstar is for the coming of the next Overman which is Ophiuchus, the Snake-Bearer who was born in the villa of Orman (The Town of Snakes).
In the music video, Blackstar. Three scarecrows hang and are tortured by what a Lovecraftian figure who I assume is either the Demiurge or Saturn reaping.
Bowie was Lucifer reincarnated as Rock n Roll. The opening lyric of Diamond Dogs: "This ain't Rock n Roll. This is GENOCIDE!"
Remember. Normies don't understand anything. The only way for people to jump on a bandwagan is through subtlety and whatever is cool. David Bowie was a master of subtlety and coolness. He was promoting fascism without saying fascism.
Kojima understands Bowie very well. Research Kojima's connection with Bowie.

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>>19188958
Guess who was promoting Trasvestism when it wasnt cool ? Pic related, 1970s The Man Who Sold The World.

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>>19189222
This is pic related. Sorry.

>>19189225
Never heard of little Richard? Rick James? Prince? you weren't around in the 70s, were you?

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>>19188958
From the satanic tv show, American Gods, episode 05, keep in mind she is treateting the youngest member of the "New Gods" , Technical Boy.

>>19188669
Peter Konig is a liar. He has a grudge with the O.T.O and the work of Aleister Crowley. The man will probably die hating them. Nothing he writes are to be taken with anything but a truckload of salt. He is super salty though...pissed I'm sure because of his own experience and fault.

>>19189014
To be honest , yes its a fucking mess, but, dont make haste, the past threads i created , the Chris Cornell in /pol/ specially , degenerated into this same "dont believe you lol" argument.

Oddly, the Chris Cornell thread i posted here in /x/ gave a very direct answer to why Cornell died so strangely.

According to some poster he was about to talk about his rape and what truly happens in the music biz. he even posted a link to a long 1990s article which contain several clues about this.

>>19188898
>>19189125
Anons, i am very proud of you, yes, there are several references of this Toltec fuckers in this and several songs.

You have to keep in mind, the Toltecs were one of the "People who came from the sea" into what is today Mexicos state of Veracruz. Also did you know of all the degeneracy traits that race had ? Not a pretty sight.

>>19189258
All we need is for you to support your assertions. you have spent more time telling us what you would prove to us and how than you have actually even attempting to do the proving.

>>19189222

Look up the translation of " Guadalupe " the river of the wolf, in Medico The Virgin de Guadalupe is actually a retagging of a more ancient "diety known as Tonantzin/Coatlaxopeuh (Coaltlaxpeuh meaning serpent treader or sometimes snake eater, there are other name with the same meaning.)

Vila de Carmen:
http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2015/07/carmen-matamoros-de-tejeda-sadistic.html?m=1


https://youtu.be/Ax84f5g3Ad8

>>19189346
*Mexico

>>19189161
>He's a seer but a liar (Heat).
You bet your ass on it.
>Bowie was obsessed with Nietzsche
The "Gods is death" Nietzsche, right? Who could have guessed?
> aryan aristocrat
First time i heard this one.
> Bowie was against zog and even defended and was dabbled with fascism
You cannot be against zog and in the music industry at that level anon, and who told fascism was against zog ? Zog IS fascism, anon.
>Oswald Mosley
Black nobillity, of course.
>got away with it because he dressed like a trap
No anon, he was instructed to wear the dress, just like Adam Sandler and many other guys "in the know".
>Blackstar
BlackStar could be an Eclipse, the solar systems 11 planet, an alien spaceship, a meteor, or a literal black sun.
>(September 23)
Yup.

>>19189199
Anon, i am going to give you a link to an Interview William S Burroghs had with Jimmy Page,look at the rainbow, and the "lol, i dont know" doesnt work when you know they have to lie. In eveything.

https://endofthegame.net/2012/03/13/william-burroughs-interviews-jimmy-page-1975/

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/jimmy_page_and_william_burroughs_discuss_magick_and_eat_burritos_1975

>>19189245
>you weren't around in the 70s, were you?
And you were, Granpa? Lol, please tell us your disco-roller adventures

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>>19189380
Way to deflect your idiocy like I'M the retard.

>>19189324
Anon, i dont write very fast , i am doing something else at the present moment, and the subject is long and complex, so please , remeber this is not pol or b , you can check tomorrow for the rest of the info.

Plus i need a ciggy.

Saturn is referred to as black star right?

>>19189367
Dunno what that has to do with anything. Without even reading either of those, I'm gonna guess you're asserting that two people who never even met Crowley saying vaguely sinister sounding things is more reliable than the entirety of Crowley's personal record of his own life and the entirety of his correspondences with everyone he actually did know?
Ok, now let's see how close I am.

>>19189399

Well you sure have had a lot of time to say everything *BUT* what you keep telling us you're going to say so you can't be that busy.

>>19189398
>I'M the retard.
No, only the old guy,lol.Guys, dont be so serious on this , the truly x posters know already this, this one is for the un-iniated and the seekers.

>>19189405
Crowley calls himself "The beast 666"

>>19189400
Yup, and you can see all the saturn related religions that back this up.

>>19189416
Yup. THAT"S what makes you call him evil? Maybe you should try actually reading some of his working instead of taking everyone else's word for it. Or not, IDC, just stop talking about things you don't know anything about, and you can believe whatever the hell you want. That title, one of many, by the way, refers to the book of Revelation RE: the Heralding of a New Aeon, a Great Revealing, or "Apocalypse." Not that you know or care.

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>>19189405
Anon, anon , the "one" or "two" people? c mon men, you are not going to fix Mr Crowleys fame with your post, you know EXACTLY what he did.

He even took a photo, could please explain this photo to me ?

>>19189405
Nope, turns out there were negligible references to Crowley in those interviews, and what was said was largely positive.

>>19189438
*Yawn
Well, please, explain the Heralding of a New Aeon, just to see if we are in the same frequency.

>>19189441
If some eats shit and claims to be satanists then we don't really need to expand on much else.

Can you explain to us the photo I keep seeing it but I'm not sure it's story

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>>19189354
>>19189391
Blackstar = Black Sun = Thule and Vril Society.
>"You're every nation's refugee. Don't leave us with their sanity" -Song for Bob Dylan
Bowie calls Dylan out for being a Jew.
>Oh You Pretty Things/The Supermen
Clear cut message. The supermen coming.
>Quicksand
Ode to Hitler. I'll post some lyrics.
I'm closer to the Golden Dawn
Immersed in Crowley's uniform
Of imagery
I'm living in a silent film
Portraying Himmler's sacred realm
Of dream reality
I'm frightened by the total goal
Drawing to the ragged hole
And I ain't got the power anymore
No, I ain't got the power anymore

I'm the twisted name on Garbo's eyes
Living proof of Churchill's lies, I'm destiny.

Bowie was a Nietzchean Overman-Nazi who had perfect control of himself through his auteur style of art.

>>19189441
Yes, Burroughs+ Page= two people.

Sure: The sign of Vir. Pater. Amoun. Attitude of Pan or Bacchus. Sign of the Grade of 7=4.

In other words, he is giving the 'sign of his grade' at that particular point in his attainment. Kinda like how the Masons have a handshake for the different degrees, OTO and A.'.A.'. have a different sign for each grade, which is utilized in various rituals, particularly those of an initiatory nature.

>>19189453
>eats shit
The story of how that came to be is actually quite funny. He was semi-bragging about his spiritual attainment to his wife. "I am beyond disgust." The wife, sick of hearing this, says "OH? Ok, then eat my shit." Crowley says "Uhh...O-Ok?" Proceeds to choke it down, eyes watering throat burning. He briefly lords over her, then realizes he was actually quite disgusted by it, and is humbled to a great degree.
>Claims to be a satanist
[CITATION MISSING]

>>19189448
Well, his reception of Liber L is what is considered by Thelemites to be the dawn of the New Aeon, the Aeon of Horus, at The Equinox of the Gods. That is the reference. you should really learn 2 google, though

>>19189453
Cool : the quick one:
Mr Crowley took the black iniation program, the fast one , hence the shit eating, fornication, heroin addiction, human sacrifices, blood sacrifices etc. thats the behaviour of a person that goes in the "fast" route of life, no biggie, he just wanted to see the two towers (hence the position of his elbows, he already saw them), and that nice little hat in his head ? The all seeing eye, yes ? You see how is at the top ?

Now, most people confuse the all seeing eye with the True Creator, is a normal mistake, because the True Creator does not lie in the last chakra but in the third one, the one in the heart region , you see why all the iconography cristian is a cross? and you see the iconography of saturn is a cube?

When you unrevealed the cube, it transform itself into a cross.

We on the same page or not, homey?

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So what is this supposed to be?
I dream of these places frequently since i was a child

This album only brings more questions

>>19189500
>>19189500
>the "fast" route
He LITERALLY spent his entire life working toward attainment and teaching others to do the same.

But Yeah, you probably know more about a guy who literally travelled the world studying comparative religion and working to unify all systems of spirituality than he knew about himself, from your 5 minute browse on conspiracy blogs.

>>19189482
Learn to google? yeah i "learned" to google.

The aeon of Horus ? yes? Who is horus anyway? Is this Aeon the last one or the one currently being fought ?

Horus,maybe he comes from the collective soul being known as Ra ? maybe? Have you heard of it ? Google it, you already know how to do it.

>>19189500
>Sure: The sign of Vir. Pater. Amoun. Attitude of Pan or Bacchus. Sign of the Grade of 7=4.
>In other words, he is giving the 'sign of his grade' at that particular point in his attainment. Kinda like how the Masons have a handshake for the different degrees, OTO and A.'.A.'. have a different sign for each grade, which is utilized in various rituals, particularly those of an initiatory nature.

>>19189515
>Being fought
Lel.
>"lawofone"
>>>/trash/

>>19189512
Is that the old Babylon or the New Babylon? Maybe thats the question you should ask.

Also there is a ton of shit going on in that video , shit , i think i could make a thread of just this video, cuz for what i seeing , we are still having trouble with the basics.

>>19189513
>He LITERALLY spent his entire life working toward attainment and teaching others to do the same.
>Fast route.
Well, yes anon, the process is long and tedious and some guys get desperate , hence why they take the "bad" side.

Ask yourself why would he do that if he already knew the consequences?

>>19189522
Whats so funny about a war, anon ?

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>>19188479
This ritual refers to the Villa of Ormen, of Ophiuchus the Snake-Bearer. This refers to Alexander the Great's mother; Olympias, who was a devout member of the orgiastic snake-worshiping cult of Dionysus, and it is suggested by the 1st century AD biographer, Plutarch, that she may have slept with snakes.
The tale goes that Zeus transformed into a snake and had sex with Olympias and birthed Alexander the Great.

>>19189555
Ask yourself why you are asserting that this is what he did when we have his entire magical record available showing that the exact opposite is true? Seriously, if you want to make your point once and for all, reference his diary entries, particularly his magical records, proving your assertion. it shouldn't be very hard if you are correct and aren't talking out of your ass, right?

>>19189570
He founded thelema, definition of debauchery.

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>>19189538
The Eternal ideal of one, rather, accesible through the mind only?
And the twin pillars as well

I have a harder time understanding the candle, outside of the obvious stairway position
I've been talking to someone else on the known and told me the clue was "walking backwards"

>>19189672
I take it you don't know what you're talking about.

>>19189724
lol they probably thought telling you to chant backwards while walking backwards counter-clockwise to the candle was the answer.

>>19189746
The golden rule is the Law. Do as though wilt will always lead to mindless self indulgence, love will then be up for interpretation.
Mortals shouldn't go around inventing religion. See scientology

>>19189512
It's literally another dimension, if you could point to it on a map it would be Jerusalem, but this one doesn't reside in our world.

It's an evil place, a place of perpetual twilight. No sun except for the few glimmers of a dead star. The fact you dream of this so much, means it's calling to you.

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>>19189767
Doubt it
We were both talking on the context of the video
Also Lazarus

She meant something along the line of how rythm was involved on both
pic related comes from thevillaoformen on tumblr


But really, what does the candle mean?

>>19189724
The "Candle" is essentially an prelude to God. Black and White represent Evil and Good, the two strongest forces in all of creation. The Candle is God's pure light, a light which permeates all of creation and is responsible for all of creation. I knowing, what I know dissected this video a while ago.

I think that's all I will say for now. I wasn't going to say anything, but I kept seeing this thread pop up, so I posted. Good night everyone.

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>>19188479
The song sounds great to me, man. Really mellows me out and calms things.

>>19189870
One more thing he was alluding to it with this "At the centre of it all, at the centre of it all". At the center of it ALL stands a solitary flame. Again good night.

>>19189850
Great news
Can anyone give me a clue on how to make contact with this place other than during dreams?
Astral travel, visions or otherwise

>>19189870
Thanks for answering
This really helps

For anyone else interested, previous threads make the message of the video easier to digest, and it's in the archives

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>>19189312
And yet its ignored..
Better to keep it that way, dont want to allow such abberations to spread.

>>19189724
>>19189859
The candle is an individual in relation to the universe/great sea of awareness. Like a candle, our life, can be easy snuffed out - if one were to condition one's self in terms our awareness, perception and their luminous being (energy body) one could with discipline defy Death.

>>19188898
Yeah Toltecas are cool as fuck.
you haven't even gotten to the Mixtecas yet

>inb4 muh savagery

>Vikings
>Mongolians
>German torturekill worship
>Romans hanging enemies on trees
>etc
It's a cruel world, get with the program

>>19188479
David Bowie is a false flag.
Nothing important about him. Just a weirdo artist.

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>>19189500
>shit eating
wasn't that just a fetish he developed after his wife dared him to eat her shit?
>human sacrifices
[citation needed]
Unless you're talking about 'the blood of an infant' stuff. He's talking about wanking there.
>>19189804
>Do as though wilt will always lead to mindless self indulgence
mindless self indulgence will have negative consequences though and should be avoided.

>What is The (physical) Black Sun
>Entry level shit

>>19188479
Or maybe blackstar is just a reference to the Elvis song. The song says that a man knows he's gonna die when he sees a black star.
Bowie was probably an Elvis fan. And they had the same birthday.

>>19189161
>literally /pol/
>married a nigger
k

>>19191818
>>19191811
Blackstar is a direct reference to cancer lesion you fucking retards. Bowie literally died of cancer

>It appears the record also shares a name with a lesion which mimics a form of breast cancer, which takes the shape of a literal 'black star

>>19191330
Im actually a descendant of 8-Deer/ Jaguar Claw, one of his 8 children.

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Bowie did nothing wrong.

He read into many different religions and teachings through his life which reflects all the way into his debut album, but trying to insinuate that he's evil just makes you a NERD.

>>19191889
You're the moron. Blackstar is specifically a breast cancer thing.

>>19191951
But what about the fascist shit?

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>occult and evil are synonymous
>Crowley was ebuul satanist
>anything vaguely mysterious is occult super duper satin worship

The 'paranormal' board on 4chan has as much esoteric knowledge as your average soccer mom.

>>19192330
God I wish I was as smart and amazing as you!
Please tell me how to be bettetr.

This album was about death. David Bowie knew he was dying and this was his goodbye. "Something happened on the day he died spirit rose a meter and stepped aside somebody else took his place and bravely cried. I'm a black star." He predicts someone different and a little strange just like him ( a black star) will take his place. "we were born upside down" "leave my cell phone down below"

>>19191794
No. He did it ONCE, as listed in the story posted above. However, if it it was a fetish, people need to get their priorities in order.

>>19189804
The phrase "Do What Thou Wilt" does not mean what you appear to believe it means.

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/True_Will

Non fan Bowie uninitiated doesn't get that Bowie lyrics have been Burroughs style cutup paintings for decades. Death profile pieces miss several interesting Bowie character evolutions, especially the Demon. Evil? Get out more.

>>19188604
>Villa of Ormen
Town of Serpents (Norwegian); serpents being associated with the unconcious, this points to Bowie speaking of the ego and its relation to the unconscious.
>Solitary Candle
Something to focus upon, a light in the darkness, possibly hope.
>In the center of it all, Your eyes
Bowie is speaking to the listener, identifying them with the candle that burns in the Villa of Ormen.

From here we can see that Bowie is suggesting that we are all the hope that lies in the center of Ormen, the village of serpents (unconscious). So he's simply stating that we are a sole source of light within the vast darkness of our mind and we're only aware of the immediate surroundings that our candle light shines upon.

I can go further, but from just this short snippet it's pretty plain to see that this song doesn't really allude to the occult in any fashion, but simply is speaking about the inner workings of the mind.

>>19189391
>“My interest in [the Nazis],” he told NME in 1993, “was the fact they supposedly came to England before the war to find the Holy Grail at Glastonbury… the idea that it was about putting Jews in concentration camps and the complete oppression of different races completely evaded my extraordinary fucked-up nature at that particular time.” - David Bowie

>>19189416
That's not a bad thing, numbnuts.
>6 is the number of mankind.
>Thrice repetition symbolizes the completion of something.
>The thrice repeating of 6 is a symbol for a whole, complete human being.

It's really not much of a surprise that Christianity seeks to suppress people and keep them from being whole; it was the original plan of the tyrant, after all.

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>>19189512
I've dreamt of it, too. Only once ages ago which leaves me with a vague recollection that was only recalled because of this video.

I wish to go back there, I remember feeling quite calm and at peace as I roamed the streets towards those pillars.

What is there? How can I return?

>>19192330
Didn't Crowley call himself the most wicked man ever?

>>19192261
Bowie himself admits that was mostly the result of massive cocaine binges frying his circuits.

>>19188479
/mu/ here, not occult at all, just a farewell album that alludes a lot to life and his trayectory as a musician but he does it in a deep way and avant-garde and a lot of stuff yknow

>>19188515
This vigilant citizen really explains all the B's that's spouted around here about the Illuminati. It's like a shameless parrot desu.

>>19194354
>What is it?
Read
>>19189850

Agree, i have never felt quite as peaceful as in there
Wish i knew how to return

If man is five, if man is five, if man is five
Then the devil is six, then the devil is six
The devil is six, the devil is six and if the devil is six
Then God is seven , then God is seven, then God is seven

>>19194417
Well, the *newspapers* called him that. There did come a point later in his life where he just stopped trying to defend assaults on his character and semi-acquiesced in peoples' pre-conceived notions, likely because he couldn't be bothered with it anymore, if I'm interpreting the timeline correctly.

Wrong. This song is a parody of left-handed occultism. Literally every track is as on-the-nose as possible. Bowie wrote everything with such irony.

Bowie was too skeptical and displeased to ever fully unite himself with left-handed occultism. He went along out of curiosity and saw some shit but he was always a bit of a skeptic. Blackstar is, in my book, a positive, right-handed and really cool piece of work.

The thing is, music is incorruptible by evil. It's literally impossible for Bowie (and he, being a great musician, understands this) to write an "evil" song. There's no such thing. There's just good music and boring music. That's part of the irony in Blackstar.

>>19196095
THIS MONKEY'S GONE TO HEAVEN

>>19196233
Bowie said he believed that Robert Plant was trying to steal his soul during the 70s. He was really into occult shit then, they all were/are.

>>19196250
What the fuck do you think chanting is then? Creation is of sound, check Sanskrit - you can do a lot of evil with sound, Blue Monday even Jesus!

I know. Do you know what he was reading at the time? Works by Dion Fortune. Do you know who she is? A gnostic Christian and white magician. Far from evil.

>>19196265

Oh please. That silly chanting in Blackstar is not black magic 252hz gonna-give-you-a-tumour.

>>19188826

Do you even know what occult means?

>>19188604
In the villa of ormen refers to my home city, I Am the solitary candle because I am the light, (me and jesus christ)
I became the universe as I understood as within so without an as above so below, kundalini was raised to my crown chakrah and I had... A very deep spiritual experience... (I am pretty sure I became all that there can be was an Is) I became the matrix and whatever else is out there. OH NO! Better yet! I realized what they have been hiding from us... Anyway...
MY eyes are at the centre of it all as I have attained god consciousness and I am aware of the most subtle event happening by me. If I die in flesh my consciousness will expand to omni-prescence.

This next part is interesting imma break it down, "on the day of execution" they planned on killing me as a sacrifice to satan as in he doesnt want to leave the throne. I HAVE SEEN THE DEVIL many times but he cant touch me, because nigga i am blessed, if they kill me well shit im only 19, i dont know how I would hold up next to satan who has been king of the earth since shit idk the beggining of time... Anyway hes just a force but a very dark and evil one and he doesnt want to let me have his place

Anyway, "something happened the day he died" fuck yeah shits going down, I plan on bringing the kingdom of to earth.

Now here is what this David Bowie son of a bitch wants since he already sold his soul "Somebody else took his place and bravely cried: (I'm a blackstar x2)
Who wouldn't like to take my place right?! Haha but I aint dead yet bitches haha suck on it and I will die dont worry the glory of god is coming children just be good... Ive been seeing some satanic shit lately on this site and fuck it whatever free expression right? Im just saying that its not a good idea to fuck around with that, SATAN I mean, he promises the world but he only cares about himself hes even shittier than you are.

So be good to your family, stay safe and love yourself. I LOVE YOU AND I PROMISE YOU I WILL DIE.

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>>19196095
Pretty

>>19196290

Don't take the lyrics seriously. They're literally there to sound ~spoopy. That's the only purpose they have in that song. The whole song is this ~spoopy~ disturbing left-handed thing (here's the punch line) viewed from the clean detachment of pop. Huh.

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>>19189512

Logo of the gay band Coils record label

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>>19188955
Flaming Star, you mean. Great song.
It's fairly well known that Bowie had fascist sympathies--most overtly shown in his white Duke character--but really, his whole life. I thought Blackstar was sort of a double reference to Da Vinci's image of man as pentagram, and to the Nazi sonnenrad aka black sun.

>>19188983
Ah yes, I forgot that he also recorded it as Black Star. Great song either way, really memorable backbeat. Nothing else sounds quite like this song. Elvis recorded so much amazing music, but this might be my favorite.

It is important to remember that Elvis was a huge influence on many British singer/songwriters of the 1960s. The Beatles, too, especially John I think.

kill yourself /pol/acks

you aren't welcome here

>>19189222
;-) yes indeed, anon. also checked

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>>19189512
makes me think of Escher's Castrovalva too

>>19195989
I read that, but it really doesn't offer up any kind of help. I'm hoping someone shows up who can say something that's not vague as fuck.

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>>19188479
wouldn't you call this a black star?

You know I really have to admire Bowie,
Taking away whatever occult stuff, whatever he did in the past. Taking away everying but blackstar.

He Knew he was going to die and he turned it into art, how strong a person do you have to be to do that? That is fucking badass