Who is this man /x/? And why did he kill Abby and Libby near

story

bump for interest

this is a straight cold case

im looking into it now and there is such little information

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>>19014213
That's what freaks me out about it so much. That small of a town during the middle of the day, you'd think someone would have heard something or at least been able to identify this guy by now.


http://ktla.com/2017/02/22/murdered-indiana-teen-recorded-video-of-suspect-police-release-audio-of-his-voice/

>>19014185
two girls were killed
one had a picture of a random pedestrian on her phone
everyone assumes this is the killer because reality is convenient like on SVU amirite?

>>19014185
2 girls get dropped off on hiking trail with derelict train bridge. Photo is from a snapchat one of the girls sent. Presumably the audio is from the moments before they were murdered. Photo and audio clip are only leads.

i want to know if there was a struggle

It's ridiculous that nobody can recognize him

Where was this news first posted? This could be all made up. Is there any obituaries that shows the name of these girls?

>>19016193
very real, was front page news in Chicago when the story broke.

>>19016193
http://wgntv.com/2017/03/27/mother-of-teen-murdered-in-indiana-speaks-at-memorial/

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Have they been raped?
>This happened in fucking february. I want details

>>19016193

It's an ongoing police investigation on the front page of national news with a funeral, what in the fuck would make you assume it's made up like some paranoid retard?

>>19016897
FUCK YOU

jesus FUCKING christ shut the FUCK up you idiots have no gucking idea whats real and what isnt do you??????

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Here's another unidentified potential murderer.

>>19014132

Down the hill

>>19016901
wew

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The police is working the case, they have the full audio and videos, trying to uncover the killer by disclosed channels like this one would probably be ruinious to the chances of rightfully catching the murderer. In other words go back to legit cold cases.

Sup /x/ I live in the southern portion of indiana about a few hours from the town. Just something to think on.

Every town ive been to here, despite big cities, everyone knows everyone. Literally most people live here their entire lives, hardly traveling out of indiana

Even in towns of 20-30000 or as small as a couple hundred.

This is what surprises me the most about this. How hard is it to identify him? Unless hes not from the area. Why did the girls want to be dropped off there?

Could they have talked to him through social media and he suggested meeting?

>>19017635
could he just be some out of town dude on a walk who made a spur of the moment decision to kidnap these girls?

>>19014222
nice trips. I heard the police have a 10 minute video that "down the hill" comes from

>>19017635
>Could they have talked to him through social media and he suggested meeting?


This is definitely it.

>>19014132
someone needs to email the police and let them release more of the video, that way we can find this guy. It doesn't have to show the killing but we obviously need more of his face.

>>19017794
They police arnt dumb enough to over look this avenue jackasses. Messages would have led to ip, and then to address and name.

>>19014132
Tfw... The muderer created this thread. Killer is op.

>>19017635
>everyone knows everyone.
Except for drifters.

>How hard is it to identify him
Pretty tough, especially if he's been homeless or drifting for over ~15 years (pre-surveillance state).

>Why did the girls want to be dropped off there?
Kids like wandering railroad tracks. Dunno why. I used to do it when I was younger. The girls were into photography too so they were probably taking pictures or something.

>Could they have talked to him through social media and he suggested meeting?
Obviously cops would've checked that route.

Conclusion: Probably a drifter that either lost his shit or got mad that stupid tween girls were taking pictures of him.

My theory:
>Girls are not very pretty, nor popular
>Actually, they are nerds, with fairly high grades
>As many social outcasts in this day and age, they discover the deepweb
>Deepweb happens to be filled with pedos
>The guy contacts them and arranges a meeting under false pretenses (money, drugs?, could be anything, even catfishing)
>The girls are fairly smart (not smart enough to not go) so they document the meeting on snapchat
>The guy rapes and kills them

John Lordan does a pretty decent video on them:

https://youtu.be/FeFv52r-0Eg

>>19017782
>10 minute video that "down the hill" comes from

I have heard this as well. I believe they won't release it on grounds of it being too disturbing (rape, etc.)

>>19018583
He was likly following them and one of the girls felt somthing grim was going to happen so she snapped a photo specifically so the police would have somthing. The video too.

Can we get some "phychic" /x/ 'ers in this thread to share some vibes?

>>19018767
>and one of the girls felt somthing grim was going to happen
If they were in anyway uncomfortable with the man approaching wouldn't they start running, Id like to think they could out run the fat ass

>>19018791
I think at one point they stopped at a platform hoping he would just pass them.

>>19018899
Seems legit.

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so glad I dont live murica,so many total fucking crazies

Soo if your the murderer, what do you do? Leave the state? Lock yourself in a house and hardly ever come out? Do you still hold a job?

What do you do right after you murdered two girls? Go home? Pack up?

>>19018952
He's likely a psychopath so im sure he feels nothing. Depending on how close he lives to the crime scene he likely is doing business as usual. I imagine if he's close he probably packed up and took off

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'Robert Logan', the property owner. A drunk, many past troubles, know in the area as a drunk. Police say he isn't an official suspect, but i hear the community is very wary of him. Looks similar to the features in the photo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oFze5L2bGg

Robert Logan lives mere yards from where the bodies were found. Owns the property in which they were found on. Would have been in the position to be able to watch the girls come and go, along with anyone else who ventured onto his property via the bridge. Would have had much easier access to the area, being able to move in, kill the girls, then simply return to his home undetected by townsfolk. Which would also explain why the townspeople saw absolutely no one suspicious at the time. You'd think a stranger from out of town would have been noticed around.

>>19019417
Don't look similar to me at all. I've read people all jumping to accept that he sounds the same and was wearing the same type of clothes, but I think he's just an easy target.

If enough people say they think it's him, it becomes much easier to believe it.

I think if they want to make any kind of progress, the police need to release the video and the audio. You can't hope to identify someone quickly from three words and a grainy picture.

>>19019427
Owns the property. But we're not talking about a small garden here, more like 40 acres. And they were found on a remote piece of land. Where are you getting "mere yards" from? The crime scene was 465 yards from his actual house.

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>>19016901

both comment hold true. Guess i need to familiarize myself with the case more so, than trying to dive right in. I was under the impression that his property was very close to the bridge. Him being a drunk doesn't necessarily make a murderer. Doozy of a case.

Does anyone have any idea where i can get the best images that were released to the public by police? With the highest resolution possible. I've looked around, but they all seem so damned blurry, and cropped shots of the suspect photo of the bridge. Most of them look edited and tampered with. I'd like to be able to analyze the highest quality images of this case available.

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'Richard Dobeski' was released from prison only 4 counties North of Delphi, just days earlier. Convicted and spent 40 years in prison for killing a 6 and 3 year old. Also charged with molesting a 7 year old and possession of child pornography.

>>19019442
If you really study the pic he does look very similar. The hat, weight are similar and it looks like the perp was wearing two jackets in the pic and if you watch an interview of Logan it looks like he just swapped them.

Its not to unlikely he was on the part of his property where he came across the two girls and saw an opportunity

>>19018612
Nigga when's the last time you heard of honor students being retarded enough to violate the "stranger danger" rule? Almost every time a young girl has been murdered in those kinds of circumstances she was either a partyer, had drug/daddy issues, was trying to be a badass, or some combination of the three. Smart people don't just meet up with strangers in isolated areas.

>>19019417

Am I seeing shit, or is that if you were to turn that jacket in the snap picture inside out, it would be the exact colors as the one in this picture only backward? Is that jacket one of those that you can turn inside out?

>>19019583

I'd be all over this one. . .

>>19014219
what i don't understand is that in the still picture of the girl on the bridge there is no one behind her or following them if the killer came from behind them he would of had to run really far because the picture on the right is taken near the end of the bridge relative to the direction they came from ........so i think the killer was walking towards them and walked past them then turned around and walked back towards them.

So there is video and audio on the crime, possibly including the murder of the girls, right? I mean, the cops released the clip that says "down the hill" because it includes (what the cops believe to be) the suspect's voice.

If this crime does get solved, is there any possibility of the audio and or video recordings being released? I would assume if they're used as evidence then those will be public record, right? Or if they get a confession, they won't need to use that as evidence and it'll stay sealed, right? If that happens I doubt we'll ever see or hear anything else from the clip(s).

>>19019498

Might be worth trying a reverse image search on them and looking at the highest res version that comes up

>>19018934
it's all over the world you twat

>>19020010
It happened when the girls had a day off from school, right? So on a weekday, during a time when most adults are at work. Obviously that means the killer had the day off as well (which is another strike against the landowner, since he's retired). I bet he trailed them for a while, and then passed ahead just to make sure he wouldn't be interrupted. Since the girls were headed that way, it meant he could take a breather and intercept them at the place he felt was best.

Considering the precarious terrain on the bridge and where the bodies were found, it definitely seems like someone who was familiar with the area did it. I doubt a random transient or someone out there for their first time would've felt confident enough on the bridge to strike on two victims. If he was unsteady or the girls took off running he'd be fucked since they could get away while he struggled to deal with the terrain. Again, that is another bit of evidence against the landowner.

>>19020189
I doubt it, especially if there was molestation involved.

>>19020220
Do we have any info on what happened to the girls? Or are we supposed to infer that them being dead and the suspect's DNA being present means they were raped?

That's another reason I'm skeptical about it being the old guy. Could he really get an erection at 77? Without loading up on viagra or something I'm not sure I really believe it.

>>19020259
I was conceived by a man in his 70s and I've heard of it working as late as the 90s so I suppose so.

>>19014220

The police released a few seconds of audio of the guy's voice, and I've seen articles that state they actually have a long recording of who knows what. It's speculated it actually is a recording of the girl's murders, but they're obviously not releasing that to the public.

Did you even read anything to do with this yet?

>>19020339
Yeah they have a longer recording , how long i don't know its suggested that they have audio recording of the whole encounter including the murders
As for video i doubt they have much as the killer left the phone behind it must of been in her pocket during the ordeal otherwise i m sure he would of taken the phone or destroyed it

>>19020411
Actually i think maybe he did get the phone wasent it uploaded to snap chat or something ?

>>19016193
Seriously? Kek.

>>19016901
Why would they make this up? It would be exposed I imagine. If you have reason to believe it's fake please post convincing evidence. I'm willing to entertain the idea that it could all be a lie but absent evidence I will assume it's not.

>>19014132
I talked to somebody who's friend's husband is working on the case.

They said that they have information that they cannot release, and they also cannot disclose details about it to the public because it was so disturbing

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>>19020411
the phone wasnt found . it was pinging. they were raped , one of them was supposedly alive when they were found. from what i gathered they were speared. and the search group covered the area of the bodies . so they were held somewere on the property and the bodies moved. pic unrelated but makes me smile

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>>19014219

There's a cringy old blogger dude talking to locals and there's what seems to be a plausible theory developing

What do you think about the two shadows?
Is here someone with knowledge about photogrammetry?

>>19021130
That's the red gate at the start of the trail
Someone posted a video of them walking the trail and showing the gate which you have pointed to with a black arrow

The guy actually approached them head on then turned around and followed them

>>19021159
Its the gate lol

>>19021159
Did you even watch the 2 youtube video in OP first comment

>>19021177
Yes, and I checked it. It is not the gate.
The platform on the right is not the same.

>>19021199
i am sorry but you are an idiot, it is clearly the gate
The picture was taken at the 3rd platform It has been matched identically right down to the specific tyons on the bridge and other details, that's why in the photo you edited you can see 2 platforms before seeing the gate
8:17 in the first video in OP's post

you would absolutely fail as a detective kek

>>19021199
Not to mention in the picture you edited you can clearly see the red gate with the tree in the middle of the path hahahahaand the middle gate pole right next to it

The 2 shadow thing has gone and passed it been debunked in the first video you are not the first person to think they have seen 2 people there.

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Who is this ?

>>19018526
if they could show more of his face they would. im guessing this is the best they have.

>>19021216
that is probably the only frames with his face or the best ones other wise they would be able to know who it is and wouldnt bother questioning the land owner

is it true the girls were decapitated? i heard that a couple times here on /x/ and i was wondering if there was any truth to that

>>19021226
one was found alive but unconscious and died later i don't think that's possible without a head

>>19021229
i thought both were found dead at the scene? would you mind posting a source for one being alive?

oops i was wrong. i released too much autism for a day.

>>19021239
no worries at all

>>19020709
wrong

"Authorities in Indiana on Wednesday released a haunting, three-word audio clip extracted from video found on the phone of a 14-year-old "

source: http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/slain-teen-recorded-mans-voice-before-she-was-killed/

>>19021232
sorry im wrong at the moment its only a rumor reported that one survived the attack but died from hypothermia

>>19019498
OP is as good as you're getting. They are screen caps taken from a video Libby took. Unknown whether it was taken from her physical phone, from her iCloud, or from a snapchat message or something.

A lot of misinformation being spread around here. I'd recommend anyone who seriously wants to dive into this one to check out the last thread we had on this case. Lots of avenues discussed. Might be a good jumping off point for anyone unfamiliar.

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18974926/

Also, anyone from the area, I'm trying to confirm whether or not Delphi is a "transient town"? I've read several people that supposedly live in the area saying that it's a town that is mainly built around people (truckers) just stopping by, and most residents themselves are either just moving in or just about to move out. That would make it incredibly difficult to track the dude. Can anyone confirm that?

>>19019744
People who say the hat and coat being similar are fucking insane. I have a blue windbreakers and a few camo hats myself. It's not an uncommon attire by any stretch of the imagination. Just because this guy is seen in that attire in one news clip doesn't make it a lead worth chasing. The police have ruled him out, and they've publicly said that he isn't a suspect and that he and his family should be left alone. He was arrested because he wasn't cooperative with the search, and he was caught driving his car while his license was suspended for a former DUI. He's not the killer, and frankly he doesn't look anything like him. He's much bigger.

>>19020220
we don't know that there was, that's 100% baseless speculation. what we know from the released photos is that there is at least a full walking stride of this guy captured on video that hasn't been released. that's not violent or graphic at all. it's just a step. they really SHOULD release that, as people have distinct strides and it could help. No idea why they aren't doing all they can to find him, but the case went cold VERY fast and the FBI has recently been withdrawing assets from the case itself.

>>19020216
yeah or it's just a fucking nutjob trucker who is in town for a few days, starts talking to a few girls on some public networks, finds a secluded spot and decides to lure them out there

all this pseudo profiling bullshit is really annoying

>>19020259
It's baseless speculation. There's another rumor that one of the girls died that afternoon, but the other lived well into the evening/night before succumbing to hypothermia in the water. It's just small town rumors with no base in reality. The suspect's DNA could have come from a hair, a scrap of clothing, he could have accidentally bled from a wound, could have cut himself in the brush, they could be from scrapings from the girls fingernails. It doesn't indicate rape at all.

For the record the rumor of one of the girls dying the next day came entirely from the obituaries for the girls being different days, one was the day they went missing the other was the next day. I wouldn't read too much into it. It's possible, but the single piece of evidence pointing to it is a funeral home's memorial page.

>>19020411
>As for video i doubt they have much as the killer left the phone behind it must of been in her pocket during the ordeal otherwise i m sure he would of taken the phone or destroyed it
That hasn't been confirmed. They didn't say where the video came from. Also, if he didn't realize he was caught on film there's absolutely no reason to break the phone. He didn't take the girls with him, they were dumped right next to the crime scene, there's no reason for him to go through the trouble of breaking the phone unless he had a reason to believe he was being recorded. All that's to say, maybe he did know he was being recorded and maybe he broke it and LE got it from iCloud. Maybe they forensically brought it back. Maybe he threw it in the water and assumed that'd be enough to break it. There's so many possibilities that it's impossible to say. I think your stance of "they don't have much because the killer left the phone" is pretty absurd. If he knew they had ANYTHING he would have taken it. It's not like he flipped through, said "oh they don't have much" and put it back on them. The phone being left has absolutely no correlation to the amount of information they got from it. There are a bunch of rumors about the video and every single one of them is bullshit other than the fact that they said the man in the pictures is a suspect, the voice is believed the belong to the man in the pictures, and that the pictures were grabbed from a video. Other than that, there is nothing confirmed. There are rumors of a 5 minute video, there are rumors of a 17 minute video that captures the crime being committed, and there are rumors of a 21-40 minute video from her pocket which is mostly just audio and recorded everything through her pocket.

None of that is substantiated.

>>19021154
Link? I really doubt it's got any basis in reality if hes just going off town gossip, but I'm open to listen to anything that's plausible

>>19021226
Not confirmed, most likely a rumor spawning from the fact that both of them had their necks covered at their funeral. If they were decapitated, they would almost certainly not have an open fucking casket. I'd assume it means strangulation.

>>19021229
Not confirmed. Please look into facts before posting them because this shit gets muddied up so quick. It's important to note what's rumor and what's fact.

>>19021248
It'd still be "on the phone" if the phone was missing and it uploaded it to iCloud. And as far as I know, the police said it was "recovered from libby's phone" (maybe there's another press conference where it's worded differently but that's what they said in the one I found) which leaves it open and unconfirmed. Recovered could have meant they got her iCloud info and recovered it from there.

>>19014219
>small town during the middle of the day
That seems like it should make it more likely that nobody would see anything, not less.

>>19021337
This you could go all day without seeing anyone just outside of one

I'm surprised this is the first time I'm hearing about this considering I live about an hour away. Pretty interesting though.

>>19016901
pahahahaha

>>19021214
Oh that's a good fucking eye anon.

>>19021290
Appreciate the link, anon. Good read

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This youtuber posted a drone vid of Monon High Bridge only 3 days before the murders. It's almost surreal. His name is 'Phil Benson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0MNncO9lLs

>>19014219
I've been to the bridge, one of my dads lame vacations to see the bridge, there's nothing around for miles.

>>19022311
Oh fug. He seems to have a similar facial structure too.

>>19022311
doesnt seem that weird imo, rest of his channel is also drone footage of other places
some cool stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ny9os4HLa4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SCJm7VkVt4

>>19019417
Police have publicly announced he isnot a suspect and to please stop harassing him and his family.

I thought what you thought in the last thread about this but was straightend out.

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The girls got hit by the train. It's almost like the movie Stand By Me.

Case solved.

>>19022311
I doubt it. Seems like a video made by someone who likes drone shit.

>>19016906
He looks like a white O. J. Simpson. He would have probably gotten off easier than OJ for the same crime and circumstance. Shame.

>>19022612
They got hit and raped by a train?

>>19019774
what do you mean? yes they do, unfortunately being smart doesn't fit your weird myopic definition where it means not making poor choices. In the post you're replying to he even says that he could have enticed them with drugs
>hey guys could it have been drugs?
>no it could have been drugs
you. there's just no point to you at all.

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>>19022661
Shit they were raped?

>>19018767
Well, yeah.

>>19014132

He did it for lawls

>>19019583
To anyone wondering if anon is making this up:

http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Convicted-child-killer-sex-offender-released-from-La-Porte-Co-Jail-412423373.html

>>19021364
Can you do some asking around for /x/?

This dude is fucking nuts and obsessed with the case. Moreso than Anyone I've come across so far. I usually check up on the case a few times a week... Check the newest google results and a few rumor sites like "beyond highbrow."

https://youtu.be/oC0oWoo2tGI

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>>19022757
We need to get this man to /x/. Nice find anon.

>>19022829

The one video about some guy dealing drugs in the middle of the woods in the cemetery near the bridge is a classic. I hate the way he speaks so much I can't stop watching him. It's like wiggling a loose, sore tooth or eating brain melting spicey curry lol.

>>19022862
Even though he is extremely determined to the case, he looks like a nice guy. He seems to be set on finding the killer, maybe because he has a daughter. Maybe he feels protective. Who knows.

Either way the video where he is zooming into the killer's face is fucking funny.

>>19014132
/pol/ found a flag

find this cunt /x/
also the killer knew these girls and was local, he had to be

>>19022876
Haaaa! Yeah that's a good one.

I believe 2 things. 1. This was planned, they met this guy somewhere online or were catfished. But he had to know the area and came prepared. 2. The way the investigation was handled, it was different then usual. They reacted very quickly, usually they wait to do things with missing people, even kids and teens but they reacted very shortly after they were notified, and the FBI was there in the morning asap even though they told people, no immediate danger. The response time was to quick. Most likely the FBI were looking for someone in the region and the police were on high alert for disappearances. There is more going on there then being led on.

>>19022907
>he had to be
Based on what?

>>19023060
Maybe it's because the situation was so strange, they got the FBI there. Though I believe that the killer may be Richard Dobeski. A man who lived closeby, and was released from jail recently on child molestation charges. He also killed 2 kids 49 years ago.

http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Convicted-child-killer-sex-offender-released-from-La-Porte-Co-Jail-412423373.html

>>19021328
https://youtu.be/oC0oWoo2tGI

>>19023075
We've got shitloads of sex offenders in the area, enough that being a sex offender doesn't make you the most likely suspect on its own virtue.

>>19023094
He was released pretty recently.

>>19023144
And there are a lot who haven't been caught, what's your point?

>>19022612
CSX abandoned the tracks in 1987

>>19023148
That it could 'possibly' be the killer, you fucking fucktard. Damn, did you really have to ask something so goddamn obvious.

This isn't the anon you responded to by the way. Just an anon who knows that this guy spent most of his life behind bars for offenses against childen, and like most offenders, they always re-offend.

Not to mention the fact that he's most likely conditioned to prison life, and has no quam's about going back. While it may purely be speculation, that's pretty much all we got at this point with so little info being released.

If you don't like seeing speculation and assuming posts on a murder mystery, then you should probably fuck off back to /b/ and continue masturbating to traps.

>>19023195
>That it could 'possibly' be the killer, you fucking fucktard
>>19023094
>enough that being a sex offender doesn't make you the most likely suspect on its own virtue
Sorry, I assumed you had read the post you had replied to.

>>19022757

Man... looked at this poor guys yt profile but I ain't about to watch all that shit. Is he handicapped? Video titles look sincere but his writing leads me to believe that he ain't all there.

>>19017635
He probably has been identified and those close to him dont want to come forward. either theyre scared of him, scared of it being true or dont want to go raising the alarm and have it not be him afterall
crimes against children, especially murder and (potential) rape dont just get shaken off. Hhell the guy whos farm they were found near was thought to be a suspect

>>19020663
yeah and my dad works for Nintendo

>>19023294

I don't want to speculate on this guy too much. I don't think he's suffering from any mental illness... Maybe just a simple kind of guy with a lot of time on his hand and not much of a filter. This case is so fucking interesting to me that I try to check out anything I can get. Even if it's from him lol. He's doing a lot of footwork.

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>>19014132
I said it in the last thread and Ill say it again
id be all over their social media accounts, seeing if they posted anything about going for a hike that day. They may have involuntarily gave too much info and somebody decided to stalk them
I dont doubt the idea that a stranger was passing through and decided to kill them, its happened before, but it there are too many things that dont fit
>the suspect is dressed somewhat casually
liberty and abigal are dressed in light clothing, this guy is bundled up. Maybe to conceal himself but regardless if he was a vagrant youd think hed have more clothes, a back back up just look a bit dirtier? I see homeless folks around and they have all that stuff (just my experience though). Also this trail is well out of the way from anything and leads nowhere. I wouldn't throw out the idea of it being a stranger killing but the circumstances presented make it seem like a local set out to do this
I know they cant release much more info but I hope they do, these cases take time and even though it'll suck it might take years before they get a break, if they ever do

>>19023432
>>19014132
Everything points to this crime being planned:
He is wearing layers of clothing (prevents scratch marks and DNA from reaching his body)
He is carrying a gun. (Probably a 1911 or similar)
His face is somewhat concealed with a scarf and hat.
He is not believed to be a local.
The dump site was described as "pristine" meaning he must have murdered them somewhere secluded. (Like an RV or a cabin)

So you have a good point about the social networks. However if these were typical high school girls their friends list must be in the 500+ minimum which means going through a list of a thousand people at the very least. (800 if you consider some overlap in friendships)
It won't be that easy.

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>>19023509
Forgot to add the pic:
You can see the gun in the released photo.

>>19014132
>>19014220
>>19014255
>>19017169
>>19017635
>>19023060
>>19023432
>>19023509
a lot of the speculation could be cleared up if they released more info. I know they wont because that can hinder an investigation just as much as help it but for them to ask the publicly help going off a grainy photo and a 3 second audio clip youre going to have any public assistance go in a thousand directions

>>19023516
thats just fucking ridculous. He jacket is just wrinkled is all, probably from wearing so mnay layers. And you carries a pistol like that? Its in a pocket pointing to the left at his own arm for christs sake. If anything hes probably holding a weapon in his hands and thats why hes got them tucked into his pockets, so he cant take it out without fumbling for it and get the drop on the two girls before they have a chance to do anything

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>>19016901
Lol fucking schizo. Take your meds.

>>19019583
this guy should be fucking offed either way so i'm okay with putting my bets on him.

>>19021214
>>19021959
I dont know anything about trains but in other videos they show that bridge has these small sections that are just a foot or two wide
idk what theyre for, probably something for the trains but it looks like that what it is
that guy is off the the side of the bridge, theres no room for another person

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>FBI pulling out of the case
>local and state police not releasing any new info in months
>no new leads
>case getting colder
>this will be one of the stories that gets posted in /x/ unsolved mysteries threads and you were here to see it all happen in real time

>>19014132
There's no way they're going to find this guy. He looks like a million other midwesterners and he's long gone from the area.

>>19021326
>"Authorities in Indiana on Wednesday released a haunting, three-word audio clip extracted from video found on the phone of a 14-year-old "
Do you read those words ?
EXTRACTED FROM THE VIDEO FOUND ON HER PHONE

>>19023595
There are no posts on the bridge i have watched a complete walk across it
Yes there is flat platforms

There is room for someone in front of him the a matter of perspective, it might even be the other girl ( the one not recording)
Who knows but i know it not a post or anything

Moral of the story is young girls shouldn't wander around buttfuck USA by themselves, unless they borrow a fucking Glock first. Hell, the rest of us should be careful in those kind of places and pack heat, because that's where the most dangerous animal is at large.

>>19023884
Feral whites or feral hogs. Nothing good in Flyoverstan.

>>19022689
No. Why can't you retards read the thread before posting?

>>19016901
t. Murderer in question.

>>19023751
That's coming from the press who is second hand information. When I saw the actual uniformed representative speak to the press, he said "recovered from the phone". Maybe I'm wrong and they've done another conference since then, but I don't think recovered from the phone necessarily means that it was found, and I don't think its too much to think the press may have paraphrased in what they thought was a non-significant way. Even extracted from the phone really doesn't mean they physically have the phone on them really, they could have extracted it through a cloud service from her phone. Either way I don't think it matters a whole lot at this point.

>>19023573
It is very clearly the shape and size of a gun. It was probably used to subdue the girls and force them to follow orders, leading them to the murder site.

The actual murder weapon was some sort of blade or knife though. Their throats were slashed, which is why their necks were covered with scarves during the funeral.

>>19018791
People don't usually assume the worst will happen in a given situation.

This is why kidnap victims often let themselves be tied up without a fight, just to be raped/murdered/tortured. The victim keeps thinking that they'll be released eventually. Normies don't like to believe that evil people exist and may target them.

>>19019583
Oh shit nigga.

>>19019774
She easily could have been catfished into a meeting. The man arrives and tells them the boy or girl they planned to meet is in another location in the woods. They are wary but go with him because he's the "uncle" or "dad" of the person.

>>19024221
The fact that they managed to get the Data and then look through it and then compile some of it for public viewing in less than 2 days means they found the phone. If it was to get the data from the APP they would have to apply to the owner of the app/business and jump through legal hurdles it would taken a lot longer than 2 days

>>19024560
They specifically ask to be dropped off there , i think they were meeting someone. that is my theory

>>19023080
he might be high on painkillers prescribed for his surgery.

>>19024571
..Or they just knew her iCloud password and got it that day. My mom's iPad automatically syncs her phones photos with her iPad's photos. It could be something as simple as they looked at her iPad for an indication of what their plans were that day and they found that they were synced.

Either way, I probably agree with you that they have the phone. Just wanted to bring up the possibility that the phone was destroyed or taken, since people kept saying that the suspect left the phone on her. I was in an argument with someone recently and I don't remember where, but they tried to assert that the criminal was probably inexperienced because he didn't take her phone after being captured. My explanation is that there's no reason to take the phone if he didn't have a reason to think he was being photographed. I think I'm with you on it being found with them. Just wanted to bring up the possibilities.

>>19024560
This is my theory. Even if he didn't pretend to be related to the boy, he could have just come up on them with a weapon and said you're coming with me now. He really just needed to know they were there alone.

another thing to think about, this is probably not a guy with a record. for the people speculating about the kid murderer that was released a few counties away, didn't they recover DNA from the girls? I'm pretty sure (though not certain) that they said they had gotten DNA from the scene but they didn't release how or where. That's what sparked the rape rumors. If they have his DNA and he was already in the system, we'd have a name by now. He might have done this before, I don't know, I'm not a profiler and don't pretend to be one, but if he did do it before he likely hasn't been caught for any crimes before.

>>19019774
Intelligence and Wisdom are different stats.

>>19023760
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg

right around the 2;55 mark, it appears to just be a branch. I dont doubt a two killer theory, what with having to control two girls, but I think for arguments sake there was only one person coming at them on the bridge
maybe he led them off the path to another person

>>19023884
>unless they borrow a fucking Glock first
theyre like fucking 14, if they ever got caught with it thats some serious legal problems. Im all for cc'ing and do carry both on hikes and in general but the most you could give them is bear spray unless youre bros with the local cops and they dont care that you armed middle school girls
one of that hardest parts of being a parent is accepting that there is evil out there and you may not be around the protect your kids, but hopefully you have taught them enough to get by. Unless you want to be paranoid and never let them leave the house, which ive seen parents like that and thats its own set of problems
these girls, sad to say, were shit out of the luck the moment they got on the bridge. The only chance they had were to run as soon as they saw that man and social ques teach us thats wrong. there is evil out there and sometimes you just have the shit luck of running into it. the most we can do is learn from it and catch the prick so there is some kind of retribution

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>>19024474
its very clearly a grade school scribble over a wrinkle in a jacket, I can make out other shapes on it that look like guns
he probably did have a gun, but more likely had it in his hands tuck into his pockets or in his waste band. Not stuffed awkwardly into his jacket pocket pointed at his own fucking arm to fumble with when he confronted the girls

>>19018952
what are you planning to do

>>19025467
>what with having to control two girls

yeah, must be really hard to overpower 2 girls who weight 100lbs at best...

>>19027441
>giving all you attention to one
>tie her up, threaten her, try to drag her into the woods
>the other one panics and makes a break for it
>while you chase her the other one also panics and makes a break for it
if you dont believe me watch any parent at walmart try to wrangle multiple children, and thats not even a life or death situation

>>19024474
>It is very clearly
no

>>19023603
Have the FBI explained why they are pulling out? Walking away from a relatively fresh case like this without good reason seems very unprofessional, but then I'm not American and they may only allow a set time period for each case in resource allocation for all I know, which would be very sad when people have lost their lives.

>>19016901
haha random capitalized words

>>19029126
case went cold extraordinarily fast and they can't waste time and resources on a case with no leads. i don't think they're pulling out completely but they're withdrawing resources. Just google snapchat murders FBI

>>19028928
>one move and i'll shoot you

>one move and i'll slur your best friends throat

>tie your best friend up now or i'll kill you both
she gets tied up, then he ties up the girl who was doing the tying

this isn't a hard thing to wrap your head around though comparing it to a kid in walmart was pretty fucking stupid so maybe it is for you

>>19023751
Taking what the press says when it comes to technical information is not the best thing to do. I'm sure we have all seen them refer to as a vadt number of firearms as "an AK-47", an APC/IFV as a "tank", as the internet as a series of tubes, a computer having a ten meg pipe, etc.

Someone with a journalism degree talking about a field you have knowledge in always results in cringe. Now, who is this four chan?

>>19028928
>approach them
>elbow to the temple or jaw of one of the girls
>she drops like a fly
>punch the other or gag her

there, you have the element of surprise, you're a man, you're older - just don't be stupid.

>Parents at walmart struggling to control children

we're not talking about some negro middle aged woman who thinks their children DINDUNUFFIN, we're talking about a large male murderer in his 40's or 50's.

>>19014132
I only live 30mins from where this happened
has everyone baffled but they think their was atleast 2 men involved, another guy besides the one in OPs pic

>>19020259
Men don't naturally lose their sex drive or the ability to get an erection- that happenes because of a medical condition which most old men get...grandpa just called it old dick. it works sometimes especially if you get aroused, realllly aroused, nothing will stop it

>>19029126
>>19029136
They're not pulling out lol

This case took on alot of media coverage. The cops in this area are looking for him like hounds but they have no clue who he is and >>19029595
They defiantly believe there are 2 suspects. Idk if its because of >>19021214
but from my understanding they have audio of 2 male voices.

They're not pulling out or releasing all of the audio clip because the FBI doesn't want the suspects to know they're aware there 2 of them.

From what i was told they're trying to link this case to another similar cold case, which doesn't really help them....but could establish a pattern or location

>>19029595
Is the spot where it happened popular with hikers? Do you get a lot of vagrants moving through the area?

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>>19029142
>>19029464
overpowering them isnt the problem, its trying to restrain to people, both of whom want to survive. They call uit fight or flight for a reason, there is just as good a chance one of them tried to make a run for it then they were to scared to try
and besides, your whole argument started by saying theres a second man on the bridge because you saw half a tree limb in the photo
theres clear not enough room for 2 people in that shot,but keep trying. Its adorable

>>19029464
>negro middle aged woman
>large male murderer in his 40's or 50's.
whatsthedifference

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ok, thanks to these comments the question is now

two suspects in this photo (and the crime in general) or just one. Thoughts?

Have any of you guys looked at their facebooks, twitters, instagrams and whatever else millenials use? There might be something that sticks out.

>>19022637
god, your knees must be sore by now

Trying to find some social medias.

First result for Abbey is the Salem witch trails, I knew that name sounded familiar.

>>19016901
W E W
E
W

Liberty's Facebook has been set to Memorial and there are no posts from this year

>>19029871
It seems unlikely that 4chan dweebs could find anything that the FBI hasn't been able to find, considering they are able to log into the girls' social media accounts and can get whatever they want from google/facebook/instagram(does FB own them? I forget)/etc.

Your best bet would be to try and figure out the girls' close friends and do a little social engineering to befriend them, then try and figure out what they know. Considering those kids will be 13-16, that might be a little morally dubious, but if you want to know stuff we haven't learned already it might be your best bet. If you want, you can pretend to be a news reporter on FB and just send them a few professional sounding messages asking what the girls were like. Try not to use any slang or unprofessional words, and make sure your profile picture is an actual person, not some gay meme or reaction image you found here.

>>19014219
>That small of a town during the middle of the day, you'd think someone would have heard something

it was in a remote area in the woods not on main street lol what the fuck are you talking about?

>>19029853
IMO
>just one dude on the bridge, not enough room for two based on where he stood
>could be a second guy waiting at another location, trying to restrain two people is difficult, no matter what >>19029142 says and >>19028928 just gave a retarded example
>he definitely had a weapon, if the scarf at the funeral thing is true id say a knife, but I wouldnt doubt a gun either

I dont want to sound callous but really if they released some more info it would be better for everyone. I dont see what saying they have a second suspect (if there is one) could do?

>>19025467
im not suggesting a 2 killer theory

I remember when i raped my first girl, i had no intentions of killer her because she never knew my identity
He probably had to kill them for that reason im guessing

>>19031756
There doesn't seem to be a reason to keep evidence from the public. Maybe for a month or two, but at this point the case is cold and no one knows anything. Either the police know who did it and are waiting for a good time to move in, or they royally fucked up at some point during the investigation and now simply can't move forward due to what they fucked up (evidence tampering, illegal search warrants, suspect was tipped off somehow and is long gone, etc, etc).

Either situation would explain the FBI being involved, and the longer we go without an arrest the more likely it is that the PD in charge totally fucked up this investigation and the killer will stay free unless they strike again.

>>19029853
I heard on websleuths that the blurred out area is Abigail.

>>19033688
There's a (intentionally) blurred out area?

>>19033688
you're a fucking idiot. that's what they do when they need to fill space on an HD screen when the image isn't big enough.

>>19033707
I never claimed to agree nor disagree about a blurred area nor what the blurred area means. I am merely stating what I read on websleuths as a response to the Anon's question.

That is my fault, I should have added a caveat stating so.

>>19033706
"Blurred" should be replaced with "hazy", as the Anon who replied above me put it. I think hazy is the more accurate term.

The websleuths commenter said the "blurred" area (his term, not mine) is Abby or part of her jacket.

>>19033742
Sorry, the Anon didn't mention the word "hazy", I accidentally attributed it to him.

>>19033278
neither am I, at least not in the video. Again, at 2:50 there is a little ledge off of the railroad bridge, idk what its for but that and one of the branches in the foreground and a matter of perspective make it seem like there are two people walking towards the girls in this pic
>>19021214
and I dont agree with it either. I think its just part of the little platform jutting out into the frame

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>>19014132
>>19014219
Why the fuck were two girls walking this alone?

>>19034436
Somebody dropped them off there because they said they wanted to be dropped off there. I wouldn't have.

>>19023509
>He is carrying a gun. (Probably a 1911 or similar)

nigger you can't tell shit from the dumb ass bulge on his jacket
it could be a gun or it could be wrinkles

but you 100% can't determine what gun he's carrying from that wrinkle/bulge

>>19035368
>i recognise that buldge!

>>19034436
It's a small town, no one expected anything like this to happen. Before that day I doubt anyone in the town would've believed it could happen in their town. It was a weekday and the girls had the day off from school, I'm sure the parent(s) thought the place would be deserted so plenty safe for some kids to dick around for a few hours. Besides, they had cellphones so they could call 911 if something happened. It doesn't surprise me at all that they were allowed to go out alone like that, I did the same kind of thing all the time as a kid.

On a side note, how do you guys feel about the theory that the police somehow bungled the investigation which is why they haven't released any more evidence or photos or audio? It would explain why they're being so tight-lipped about the case, since they're trying to start from scratch now. The only other explination is that they have no leads and the only remaining evidence they really have is audio of the murder itself which is too graphic to release and information on how the girls were killed which wold jeopardize their ability to screen suspects.

The case is long cold at this point, it's pretty obvious we can't deduce anything else with the facts we've been given. Unless the murderer strikes again and his DNA matches the DNA found in this crime, or a relative rats him out, I don't see it progressing anytime soon.

>>19036644
You might be surprised how many missing persons cases are really not so mysterious when you take into account the sheer incompetence of police. Shit like "A caller told police exactly where to find the body but officer Eighth Grade Education did not follow up on it at the time".

>>19019417
I bet they said he isn't a suspect to make sure he doesn't skip town.

>>19022612
The train had knocked the Brower kid out of his keds, just like it'd knocked the life out of his body.

>>19022757
I ended up finding this guy's videos today after rewatching the videos in the OP.

He's clearly not all there..

>>19021308
Personally, I think it was this guy.

>>19018544
But what if he used a walmart verizon burner phone that has unlimited 4g, for only 39.99, shop for less at your local walmart

>>19030129
Tell that to the weaponized autist of /pol/
All we have to do is convince them this guy is an antifa bernie supporter that hangs out with shia, and well find out who he is within a day,

Can we drop the pretense of wanting the rest of the video released just so we can all solve the case.

>>19021214
the black line goes all the way to the top of the image on the side. def not a person.

>>19016901
this is the guy

>>19014132
This is a cover up. Someone let this slip. Maybe it's unintentional, but someone screwed this up, and this dude left. I'll bet someone even knows who this is. Not everyone gives a shit about the Internet. They have everything they need, but nobody arrived or left? Had access, but went entirely unnoticed by everyone in the entire area? I don't buy it.

>>19029787
>and besides, your whole argument started by saying theres a second man on the bridge because you saw half a tree limb in the photo
>theres clear not enough room for 2 people in that shot,but keep trying. Its adorable

what?
what the fuck are you even talking about, I never mentioned a 2nd person you fucking schizophrenic bastard

>>19038928
that was in reference to the other guy Ii quoted that this a blurry tree branch is a second suspect.
the point is there is clearly one guy in the photo and that one guy was more then likely armed as to overpower them much easier
>lol theyre weak little girls how hard could it be
it certainly isnt easy and the amount of planning that went into this the guy had to have been armed. If the rumor about the scarves are true then he had a knife as well

>>19039881
Definitely, I think a lot of people here underestimate how hard teens and even kids can fight back. I do wish we had some sort of confirmation on the scarf thing at their funeral. If one of you guys would contact some of their friends on FB who might've gone to the funeral we might be able to confirm it.

I'm a bit confused about the locations. The bridge the photo in the OP was taken on is far above the forest floor, right? Like 10 or 20 feet or something, right? And the entire path is elevated, so that means the audio that was released with the guy saying "down the hill" was at some point in the video where the girls had gotten off that bridge and down onto the ground on the forest. That means that this guy walked with them for some time until they got to a spot on the bridge that was low enough to jump off of, or they got to the end of the bridge and he continued leading them into the woods.

I wonder why the girls didn't bolt immediately? The guy looks kinda fat, and they probably could've outrun him. I suppose they knew no one was waiting for them, so running wasn't a sure bet. I wonder if the man claimed to be some sort of authority figure, like a cop or park ranger. Maybe he seemed non-threatening at first, and the girls walked with him to the end of the bridge at which point he made his intentions clear. I suppose that wouldn't explain why they took the photo, if the girls already thought he was a creep then they probably wouldn't believe he's a cop. And I guess if the guy said he had a gun or did pull a gun on him, they really wouldn't have a choice but to continue on the bridge with him until he gave them an order.

On a side note, is this case officially cold at this point, or is there a minimum amount of time that must pass for it to technically be considered "cold"?

>>19022311
This is interesting, especially that he does footage of the baseball fields where the families held a fundraiser.
But how would he have known that the girls would go there 3 days later

>>19040732
based on what info ive gathered (so take it with a grain of salt) it seems like the events went like this
>abby and liberty go for the hike on the trail
>get to the point on the bridge where the snapchat photos are taken
>they see a man in the distance approaching them
>this is where things get weird, why did they stop? did he call out for them, maybe by name? which backs up the theory the killer knew them and was a local
>idk, something happened where the girl thought she better take a photo of this guy and record him. might just be stranger danger awareness but it looks like there is a figure way at the start of the bridge one of the photos where one of them is crossing the bridge
>this also could be the guys ambush point, or he had been following them the whole times, which again backs up the idea the killer new them or of their whereabouts that day
>when he does reach them, he pulls out a weapon, "you move ill kill you, now follow me" and leads them off the path
>at some point they cross the stream, which makes no practical sense so maybe the did run for it and the killer caught up to them or if he had a gun shot them
>or he marches them across, at gun point, to put their bodies more out of the way
things get fuzzy as for the actual murders, I hope the cops have enough leads to sustain them because they started asking for the public help with really nothing to go on
these two vids might help, because it is confusing


>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZzBCyLSI0E

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg

>>19022311
casing the area perhaps...

>>19014219
To me he sounds like a Brit or Scotsman.

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>>19040804
They weren't rushing past the bridge, they were hanging out taking pictures for their Snapchat. They see a man approaching in the distance, he's most likely walking fast, head down , a little suspicious. The girls don't move, they don't want to go ahead of him, they want him to pass by and keep going.
I used to walk on a railroad in my hometown a lot, I would rarely see other people but it's usually an akward confrontation so I try to avoid people as best as possible.
They had their phones out, Snapchat already opened, saw this man approaching,. Seemed suspicious so she took a picture of him.
Now this is what I am guessing, he walked right past them, pulled the gun out of his pants and turned around, pointing it at them. He then ordered them to walk the rest of the bridge, following behind. They most likely thought about jumping off but it was far too high and they wouldn't want to separate. The girl, leaving her phone on record the whole time although I doubt many words were spoken. They get to the spot, he eventually orders one to "go down the hill" basically separating them and telling her to start walking, he shoots her and most likely finished the other girl next to him.
How do I know he asked her to start walking, becuase he didn't want to look into their eyes when he killed them. Look at the picture of him approaching, his face is full of regret, he's thinking this over in his head.
He also was stalking the girls prior, he was most likely watching them after getting picked up from school and followed them to the trail when they got dropped off. He had been watching them, he was just waiting for the right opportunity to arise.

>>19014132
I live near this

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>>19040923
>How do I know he asked her to start walking, becuase he didn't want to look into their eyes when he killed them. Look at the picture of him approaching, his face is full of regret, he's thinking this over in his head.
jesus christ you couldnt talk more out of your ass if you tried
his covering his face like that because he doenst want to be recognized, I doubt he regrets it or feels any form of guilt considering he murdered two girls and dumped their bodies in the woods. Look I real all those FBI profiling books too and agree on some general things that have been psycho analyzed by the larpers in these threads but get the holy hell over yourself

>>19040931
any info you want to share? whats going on at the moment?

Sorry for the murders. But good luck finding this guy. He looks like the typical midwestern ranch dip lovin white dude. Fucking generic. Nothing unique or even mildly outstanding. I see a million of these fuckers at every Pilot gas station, gun show, Bass pro and bbq joint.

Any reports of him doing sex on them crime? Or just dead those girls.
Sorry English not number one.

>>19040732
I think the "down the hill" part is after he has them backed up to the end of the bridge after confronting them and orders them down the hill to the right of the bridge towards the river where their bodies were found
What I want to know is why didnt they run for it when he was approaching them? they thought enough to get a photo of the guy but decided to stick around and wait for him to catch up? even if he ran at them they had a good minute before he caught up to them. I agree with >>19040804
I think it was somebody the knew and felt comfortable waiting for. Hes not dressed like a cop or a park ranger so id argue thats out. Apparently there is more audio and footage they arent releasing (probably because its too graphic and they dont want to scare the guy off)

>>19040965
I haven't read any FBI books, I am just using my head.
This isn't like the movies where the killer runs at the victims smiling, he wants to do this, yes he is sick. But he is also worried about what may happen which is why he took them so far off the trail.

>>19040988
Right now it just seems to be rumors, possibly started because they found his DNA

>>19040965
As of now, the FBI has no leads on the guy, at least nothing significant enough to make an arrest.
So maybe those books you read aren't the best to apply to this case.

>>19020297
wtf nig, i kinda wanna hear about your life now.

>>19041001
and thats why youre method of
>this blurry picture of a man from 30 yards away shows regret and shame in his face
is akin to a carnival psychic and utterly laughable
>>19041018
no leads we know about, either way I trust the FBI more then I do keyboard warriors for this stuff. Like I said, I read some of those books for fun and out of interest and even think some ideas that have been brought up are noteworthy, but the a lot more of them, like the other anon I responded to, are talking out of their ass and playing will graham

>>19041025
Well anon. All I can really say is that Poppa was a rolling stone. Where ever he laid his hat was his home. And when he died...all he left us was alone.

>>19038009
Gotta pay for it with a card online...unless killer smart enough to buy those debit/gift card things first.

Here's a timeline I found if it helps any
http://fox59.com/2017/02/16/timeline-disappearance-and-deaths-of-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams-in-delphi/

>>19041253
Actually he was a family man, just married a younger woman and stayed healthy.

>>19020297
Wait so your dad is really old then?

>>19022637
Yeah. Probably not

>>19040809
So a Briton or a Briton.

He sounds nothing like any accent here. I have listened to the clip so many times trying to detect any hint of those accents and it just doesn't.

Besides, wouldn't a British person rambling through rural America stick out like a sore thumb. They can't get too many of them wondering around.

>>19040989
Exactly if they knew him why would they run they didn't run though so it had to be someone they know do we have any information on family members or family friends if we do then we could narrow down the suspects because he doesn't look like he could chase them and he stands out a lot nearly impossible to miss first off why did their mother drop them off alone there had to be someone they trusted with the kids or they are just extremely irresponsible parents but just look through public records or information on the family

>>19040989
>>19043100
>I think it was somebody the knew and felt comfortable waiting for

but doesn't that contradict the point you made about them feeling like it was someone suspicious? Enough to snap a photo of him?

You could argue they got catfished, in that this guy made a fake profile and hit on one of the girls, then told them to show up there and meet him. The girl brought a friend and were waiting for the guy in the picture from FB or whatever, but he never showed up, only this old dude. If that's the case, then the authorities would have already found out about it. Likely the friends of the girls probably would have heard them talking about it, girls love talking about shit like that and it's not something they'd keep secret I think (especially girls as young as the victims).

I really don't buy into the whole "they were expecting to meet someone" theory. It just seems more likely that the guy was some transient or something who was just there at the time. I think if they did make plans with this guy, even if he set up a fake profile, the police would've announced this publicly, if only to make sure other kids heard it and parents went on the lookout to make sure he doesn't strike again with the same tactics on other children.

Even though he doesn't look like a cop or a ranger, if he announced that he was and the girls needed to come with him, I think they would've followed him. Kids don't really question that kind of thing, and they probably thought they were in trouble or something since it was a school day (technically). They seemed like smart, good kids who wouldn't want to risk getting in more trouble by running from him.

This whole theory is totally unfounded though, and if he pulled out a gun or something they would've followed him too, so unless we get more evidence one way or the other it's not really something we should think too much about.

>>19043768
maybe they didnt know who it was and he started calling out for them? Or maybe they did know who it was but thought he was creepy/weird before and thought it was better to have everything recorded. Social ques are weird like that, there are lots of accounts of serial killer victims that could have and should have fled but didnt because our social norms say its better to not be rude
its one of those things that people think about but when it really happens you never know how you'll react I suppose

If I was walking down a railway track I wouldn't be keeping my hands in my pockets, just natural to walk swaying my arms/hands to even balance in the event of tripping or falling. I think the guy probably saw them point the phone at him to take the pic, so he postures himself to look non-threatening, hands in pocket and looking down. I would start freaking out a bit if a lone person bee-lines into my direction in the middle of nowhere and looking at me, I'd flee or try to make in the opposite direction. The girls probably became like those deer in the headlights, one depending on the other to do something, but neither does anything hoping perhaps he'll just walk by, and he is just hoping they stay in the same spot.

>>19043100

Jesus Christ dude. Punctuation. Please.

>>19023381
No I live near where it happened, I know a few people from that town.

>>19044938
ok
gonna post any info then? How much more information do they have and are they willing to disclose anything else to the public?Are they closing in on any new leads?

>>19041947
Actually old people shouldn't be having children it's immoral. Besides when your mom was 10 he was in his 40's. Creepy but hey, cheers.

>>19041962
Yea. He was methuselahs pen pal

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Liberty on bridge, photo 'skeletonized', bringing defining edges.

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Edge Detection with High Pass Filter. Suspect on Bridge.

>>19040923
you would make for an awful detective. you think the girls considered jumping off the bridge? that wouldn't even happen for a second. that's a fucking bizarre thing to say. do you have any idea the type of situation that would make a young girl think about jumping off a bridge like that? and no, having a gun pointed at you is not that situation

>How do I know he asked her to start walking, becuase he didn't want to look into their eyes when he killed them. Look at the picture of him approaching, his face is full of regret, he's thinking this over in his head.
jfc man. your perception is easily 10 tiers below detective. and why on earth would he want to separate them?

just randomly spouting bizarre shit that you assumed is not going to help this situation. it won't help any situation. it just leads to more confusion

>>19018934
Yeah at least you could feel comfortable and safe doing normal things outside of the us like going to an ariana grande concert right?

>>19019427
>>19019463
Being over 400 yards away from a person and you wouldnt hear them scream as loud as they could, especially during the day and if anyone was even home. Besides if i owned a fuckton of land and kolles people on it you wouldnt find a single trace of them ever

>>19019583
Why the fuck was he ever allowed to see the light of day?

>>19040965
Where can I read the FBI's profiling books?

>inb4 at the FBI

>>19045977
>>19045979
>>19046051
thanks, that really cleared things up

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>>19016901

This is opposite from the Sierra Lamar case, in that case we knew who the killer was but the body was never recovered.
In this case, the killer left the bodies out in the open and took precautions to not be identified.

In both cases, the young women are very petite, attractive and unaccompanied by adults. They both occur early in the morning, they both have no witnesses. There is no surveillance in the area.
I believe that in both cases, the killers spotted the young women from far away and slowly got closer. I think they choose to strike when they are able to creep up close enough. I think the killers are always ready, waiting for an opportunity to present itself. I believe the rest of the video hasn't been released because he probably rapes or mutilates them before killing them.
Sierra Lamar's killer had a history of attacking women, bridge guy seems careful so this might be the first time he's been caught.
Sierra Lamar's killer chose to use a taser and rope. Is it possible this guy used something similar to intimidate them and then keep them from running while he committed his acts?

>>19046391
look up john douglas, robert ressler and mark olshaker. they were the original FBI profilers who basically invneted the unit in the 1970s. I know douglas has written many books, I just finished "the cases that haunt us" where he reviews famous cases like jack the ripper or the zodiac and he delivers a profile and how he got the profile. He also write "mind hunter" which is being turned into a tv series on netflix by david fincher
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5VvEgVgXbI

>>19046681
>Sierra Lamar's killer chose to use a taser and rope. Is it possible this guy used something similar to intimidate them and then keep them from running while he committed his acts?

it's of course possible but there's no need to wonder about that. there have been numerous cases in which a killer is able to control multiple victims without any restraints, even without a gun. that's especially true when the victims are very young. the killer just needs to get to where he wants, that's the hard part. once they're there he will strike one of the children hard enough to make a huge impact on the others. to freeze them in horror and to let them know that if they run and leave their friend behind then they'll be abandoning them to their death. many victims will say "i could have gotten away but i didn't want to leave my friend to die a gruesome death alone"

virtually every theory in this thread is useless, and not because they are stupid or illogical. you can be certain that investigators have considered all of these things, and on a much higher level. as >>19030129 said: you would all be 1000x more useful focusing on social media. law enforcement will miss leads in that area. and that's an area you guys actually know well compared to an investigator. it's a very small town and that helps. one should simply check for as many men as possible who could be connected to the girls. think middle-aged men who are facebook friends, even if there is an appropriate connection. family, friends, facebook friends, teachers. i'm not recommending doing that but that would obviously be the way to go as opposed to figuring out how the case occurred in a vacuum

It's extremely unsettling how little information on the case was released by law enforcement.

Even several seconds more of the alleged longer audio recording. Some info on the crime scene details, info about the method(s) of how the girls were dispatched of. I don't know... just some more details to at the very least keep people interested in the case so as to possibly gain more input from anyone with helpful tips.

I've read that law enforcement hasn't come forth with additional details because they don't want to tip any possible suspects off or negatively impact a court case. Who knows!?

Anyone have any ideas about why we haven't had any more info released to the press? Also, there are rumors about the funeral services that might she'd some light (scarves on the girls necks.) Where is all the small town gossip too?

>>19046993
Honestly I think contacting some of their friends is our best chance of finding out additional details, but you need to be really, really careful when you do it. No doubt kids in that town are being watched over by their parents like hawks, so you need to be open about your intentions and you need to make sure you're not lying. Don't tell them you're a cop or a fed, don't pretend to be someone in their class. Don't talk to them if your profile picture is a fucking meme or a swastika or some anime girl. I think pretending to be a journalist is fine, you don't really have to prove it to any of it and it would seem believable even to parents.

If the cops really have zero leads in the case, making yourself too suspicious might get you reported to them and you could find them knocking on your door sooner or later. Don't ask rediculous questions, just say you're wondering if they've heard any rumors around school or if they attended the funerals. Don't dig too deep, it'll seem creepy. It would be best to contact several kids at once, that way you can verify claims by having more than one kid attest to them instead of trying to pry the truth out of a single kid.

A few facts I'd like verified are whether either of the girls mentioned meeting a new boy or had talked about meeting a boy online. That would confirm the suspect may have been catfishing them to lure them to the woods. I'd also like to know if the scarf think at the funeral was true, that would seem to confirm they were strangled instead of shot. Furthermore, any rumors of possible suspects that didn't make it to the news would be interesting, if any of the kids bring up some names we never heard of, it might be worth looking into them.

Honestly I bet most of them would like to talk about the case, I think if they believed you were a reporter they'd feel like they have fresh ears to talk too, and it would probably help some of them cope.

>>19020709
Source on any of this?

>>19048875
his ass

>>19024612
I've thought about this. It brought up the question in my head as to what would happen if a crime scene committed by one person contained the DNA of identical twins. If the cops couldn't find solid evidence showing that one was more likely than the other to be the criminal, they'd probably sit on the case for a long time hoping something new to come up.

As for the suspect being prepared, I realized something that I haven't seen anyone else mention in any of these threads. The girls were hiking on a day off from school, and it apparently wasn't uncommon for youth and other people to walk across that bridge. If the killer was planning in advance, he wouldn't necessarily have had to have known the girls or even known of any plans at all; he could have correctly assumed that at least one small group of kids would visit the area on their day off from school. It was a professional development day of something similar, so it wasn't a secret that kids would be looking for something to do that day.

>>19047156

>It's extremely unsettling how little information on the case was released by law enforcement.

Not really. It's an open and active case.

>>19049924

Yea. Super popular area for not only kids to hike and hang but also for many types of people. Adults who like to walk the trails. Teenagers who party on the trails and fuck around on the bridge. Also it's next to at least one person's private property that is of course going to have the owner, his family, or employees on. Not to mention the cemetery in the area.

It's a bold move to murder 2 kids in an area like that (even though it's innawoods)

Would someone really premeditate such a crime in that type of area?

>>19016894
Nope, did it for no reason

>>19050007
Good point

>>19021290
My girlfriend lives close and I'm pretty close. Been there and it's a smallish town but it's not as truck stop like as it sounds. Been to where they were killed, obviously not on the path but it's very secluded and out in the middle of nowhere to where it seem like it's just considered Delphi but it's not where near the "city" part is where town hall and all that is. Creepy area man, seems like some hills have eyes shit out there and knowing what happened there made it even creepier going past

>>19021332
Their throats were cut

>>19046440
It's designed to help make out images or shapes that otherwise can't be seen on normal photography. I think it's just dandy. Looking at every single aspect of those images is important.

>>19047156
>I've read that law enforcement hasn't come forth with additional details because they don't want to tip any possible suspects off or negatively impact a court case.

More like they don't have anything in the details they're keeping close, with said details being kept out of the papers for respect.

The man is the key here, as that's what they want known.

>>19016901
why did you kill those girls?

>>19014132
Dan Schneider

>>19046051
So it was an electric wizard, just as tought!

>>19043100
youshouldjuststartwritinglikethisatthispointyoudumbfuck

>>19050007
>It's a bold move to murder 2 kids in an area like that (even though it's innawoods)
It is bold. If this killer was just starting out, it would be a pretty risky move to kill two young girls in a small town. You know the media is going to jump all over that shit and the case is going to be examined by everyone and their moms. In contrast, killing a bum in a big city or something is relatively safe. No one is going to dig too deep into the case, no one is going to miss him/her. So, does that mean this guy has killed before and is looking to up the "thrill factor", or was this his first kill and did he just bite off more than he should have?

The way the bodies were hidden also raised more questions. Did he put them there for the purpose of coming back to visit later? Or did he hide them just well enough so he could GTFO before the cops found them? As far as I can tell, the bodies were hidden, but not buried or anything. They were far enough off the main trail to not be found immediately, but not hidden well enough to go undetected if a serious search was undertaken. I think that implies he just wanted to be able to get away before the cops started closing in.

Also, keep in mind the crime happened on a weekday, at a time when most adults were at work. So is he retired? Or does he work odd hours? Or could he be a truck driver? If he was a truck driver, it would explain why he hid the bodies like he did, gave him enough time to get back to his truck and far down the highway before they were even found. But then, where was his truck? Did any of the cops or the mom dropping the kids off see a semi truck parked near the entrance?

If he's homeless, which may explain his style of dress, could he have taken a private bus out of town? Something like Greyhound, just bought a ticket and then left. If so, would a private bus company keep records of who bought tickets and when?