>>18942938
dont do it if youre mentally weak.

>>18942953
define mentally weak

>>18942938
Most comfortable I've ever been.

Imagine floating in bliss. No weight of gravity

>>18942976
>having or showing a lack of mental firmness; irresolute; vacillating. having or showing mental feebleness; foolish. Origin of weak-minded.

>>18942938
No but I have been able to feel my third eye. After that I felt almost weightless but couldn't quite lift out of my body. You need immense concentration.

Been trying for the past week, got to vibrational stage for the first time last night... it's funny though, I got to it after nothing was happening and got in a curled position, which is probably why I couldn't get out of my body since I was trying to ascend (should have tried to roll, probably). Anyway, at least now I know the vibrational stage is the real deal, it's a very distinct feel and the sound (like the sea or something) in my eyes was incredibly loud, lasted for at least 2 minutes.

>>18943711
in my ears*

One time I woke up on my couch in the middle of the night with my eyes closed and I felt like electricity was moving all throughout my body. I tried get out of my body but just ended up moving my physical body. I opened my eyes and I was completely awake

every time for months now im in the same stage.instead of my astral body my physical body moves by itself,so i can't get past that for some reason.

>>18943691
>You need immense concentration.

Quite the opposite, actually, you need immense relaxation, once you achieve this, you just let go.

>>18942938

Look into shamanic journeying. You will thank yourself for it.

>>18942938
I've been trying to astral project for about three Months now and with every try I get a little closer to the result

Two days ago I was on the edge of going astral, my arms were already floating and I was going for the rope technique
But the feelings were to heavy, my heart was pounding right out of my chest and I could hear crackling and popping sounds in the back of my head

Doing some Research, that's exactly the point where mind and body Start seperating

But I was so unfamiliar with this feelings that I panicked and I was back to where I started

Need to keep my cool the next time, now I know a little more and will be prepared for the next time The exit feelings kick in

>>18945246

Eat a dick you pathetic fucking molester I know what you did I fucking saw it every one saw it you stupid shit you think you can escape with your fancy trick you can't you can't you cany

I've found that this works. I've never fully astral projected but I know the "electric popping" thing well. Wake yourself up around 3.30 or so and go to sleep when you're feeling so tired that your chest starts producing something that makes you feel a little sick. It might take 2 hours or so for you to feel this way, staying up playing vidya or something is ok.

The sick-feeling tiredness in your chest is what puts you into a mentally unbalanced sleep. Then you'll probably go lucid.

>>18942938
Only under the influence of lsd

Astral projection is pretty mundane, desu. I achieved psionic interface the other week. It's like running DOS in your head.

>>18942992
Or if your conscience isn't fully developed or you haven't had an ego death yet

I don't know if it counts, but this might be interesting for you.
Several times I was really really close to this, if not really experiencing. My eyes were closed, yet I could see things, I saw what I usually see when I wake up: my room and blankets, etc. But it was not similar to usual vision, felt like I was able to see through closed eyes and make a projection in my mind. then I tried to get up. it was so hard it felt like i was nailed to my bed, and gravity seemed ten times "heavier", I felt pressure following every attempt to move. i had to reach for things (like table's edge, headboatd, etc) to hold onto them in order to move. i could't see my hands, but i saw my body laying on the bed when i finally managed to get up. at least it seemed so. i made a few steps, but then it became too hard to move, to stand, to keep my hands on anything, I woke up and everything was just the same except the point of view.

it wasn't on purpose, but i tried lucid dreaming before. maybe it has something to do with my mental instability, but it was unusual and interesting experience. (p.s. posting via phone, sorry for typos)

I used to astral project fairly often, but I stopped after the veelox incident.

Stop saying desu, it's stupid

>>18946360
I've never heard of samadhi being a prerequisite for astral projection.

Mates its maybe some sort of dissociation, i am not trying to be an arsehole or anything

>>18946539

Are you responding to
>>18946506
(me)? or someone else?

>>18946544
No,to everyone

I've just read a "how to" and decided to give it a go.Can i achieve it if I am a non-believer?

>>18946492
desu is 4chanspeak, you wouldn't understand
newfriend

>>18946568
a nonbeliever? a nonbeliever in what?

>>18946492
It's pretty stupid senpai, desu

>>18946562
Oh? I mean you're not wrong. It's mechanism is certainly one of some form of dissociation

>>18946571
In afterlife,vibrations, gods of any kind you know, that kinda stuff

>>18946568
Yes, you only need to sell your soul to satan by using psychedelic drugs, DMT works best

>>18946581
Than is it possible to be purely psychological phenomenon rather than a spiritual one?

>>18946568
Yes, but it'll probably be harder and you have to take into account this normally takes months of practice.

>>18946586
First off, that really has nothing to do with astral projection.
Secondly, having a scientific worldview means shedding not only our unfalsifiable beliefs but also our unfalsifiable unbeliefs.

>>18946590
Shut it twat

>>18942938
Weird and unpleasant enough for me to end up rushing back, to myself. Felt wrong. Maybe it's just me.

>>18946599
I am aware of this, I agree with your second statement completely, i was just being curious 10xmate

>>18945268
Who do you think this anon is? I think you're not the only one who saw what he did. Unless pretending to teach Astral Projection to kids is a common thing among molesters, I think I've met your guy before.

>>18946614
Excellent. Then know that you will never be able to discern whether it is in your mind only or not. Also know however that people have used it to see the future or the material present of places their physical self was far removed from and found out their perceptions were correct afterward. That is what with practice you should try to approach the truth for yourself - until then keep an open mind.

>>18946620
WTF is this really a thing?

>>18946620
What's the story here? That sounds fucked up.

>>18946592
Anything is possible, though I do not consider those 2 to be mutually exclusive. I think it's a combination thereof, but my only 'proof' is my own subjective experience.

>>18946666
But also, even if it's not 'spiritual' by certain rigid definitions, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the only way to know if you're imagining it or not is to put it thru tests. This doesn't work so well with the inexperienced projector, and is hardly relevant for the beginner learning to do rituals astrally, but it most certainly is interesting.

>>18942938
yes

>>18943711
what method did you use? can I get suggestion for methods? so far I can stay still for like a hour at time and i can cause swaying by moving my eyes.

>>18947169
Not that anon but here:

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Rising_on_the_Planes

>>18945246
you need to be on the right vibration, the vibes you get are when you are in between the two dimensions. If you try to hard you wont separate, there is no need to use the rope, just imagine rolling out, not with your mind, ignore the mind. The same way you lifted your arms out of your body, learn to do the same with your entire being, it will feel very light.

Honestly get into lucid dreaming first because the movement you need is the exact same, except an oobe is much more real.

File: IMG_3728.jpg (307KB, 1500x1111px) Image search: [Google]

307KB, 1500x1111px

>>18942938
Yes. It was too shocking, and I rushed back into myself. I was a kid. Couldn't stand the idea. Too weird. I think my post got deleted. Spooky. Ffs.

>>18946492
Thread is fugg. Some of these posts don't make sense. Sabotage.

>>18942953
its not that bad, just avoid the scary shit

i projected once.

kind of on accident?

I'm pretty sure i was born with my third eye open- and at this point in my life i was meditating for like hours a day and practicing yoga for hours a day.

i don't really recall trying to project but i remember seeing a large ocean with a sea serpent swimming in it, and seeing the serpent head-on it had 7 triangles on its head and two eyes.

the next thing i saw was like a grid like plane of existence, neon red and blue grid with random animals moving around. i encountered a gigantic wasp and got freaked out and returned to my regular world...

im not interested in astral projection too much, i want to learn to manipulate "reality" with my consciousness...

any tips

>>18947294
You're gonna need to master the astral realm fairly well if you want to manipulate the physical.

>>18947315
well ...

thanks for telling me that...

considering i slip into the astral realm on accident, i figure i'm pretty "strong"...

i'm not joking, i want to melt reality around me...

>>18947336
Occultists believe there are 3 primary realms: Mental, Astral, Physical, in 'descending' order, if you will. Not a bad thing for you to check out.

>>18947359
ok

what do these occultists have to say about manipulating reality>

>>18947375
A lot. Too much for one post. You could go over to /omg/ and ask if there are any good occult books about the nature of reality and manipulation thereof in the library/mega

>>18947388
infinity.

thank you anon

>>18947420
sure thing.

>>18942938
i projected for the first time about a week and a half ago and have been able to do it about 3 times since

>>18947744
method cause >>18947187
seems like gibberish

>>18942938
feels like you're exist but also coexist when seeing your corporeal body with some kind of ethereal string attached to my wandering consciousness

Just take shrooms

>>18947751
OK I'll do my best to explain but give me a minute to boot my computer

>>18947772
Is it malfunctioning? Why would you kick your computer?

im really drunk and im not dead

>>18947751
>>18947772
ok. if you're still there OP, here's my easiest explanation.

make sure the place you're in is as dark and as quiet as possibly.
also makes sure you're as comfortable as possible.

1. reach a state of hypnagogia, this can be achieved through deep, controlled breathing and/or the "counting sheep" method
2. once fully relaxed, envision something - be it a memory, a person, a place, a thing, etc - as an object floating in front of you. make sure you can envision that object clearly. you should let everything else fade away and only focus on that object.
3. at some point you should enter the vibrational state, when you do just let the vibrations move and spread freely, without worrying about projecting. continue focusing on your object until you begin to feel the vibrations shift. its hard to explain, but you will feel a noticable shift.
4. At this point, envision your astral body being pulled up and out of your body.

give it all of your focus and maybe a few times to practice and voila! you should be able to project

people who believe in this gotta be really careful with the porn they watch lol

>>18947849
thanks, hypnagogic means like dark swirling colors behind the eyelids right? also what does >>18947855 mean?

>>18947859
sort of. you'll experience those, sort of fractal hallucinations but you're gonna wanna push pass though. you want to feel as if you're about to fall asleep or just waking up

>>18947868
yeah the best way i cna describe them is like if the behind of the eyelids become a pool of oil with the swirling dark colors. never seen fractals as far as i remember.

>>18942938
Did it, never again

>>18946641
>Be me, 10 years old.
>no friends, parents drop me off at local pool instead of an after-school care.
>approached by a guy and his niece, he tells me he can offer one-on-one Astral Projection lessons back at his house, promises I'll have superpowers and ancient wisdom
>hypnosis sessions and meditation, alright this is kind of cool
>heavy emphasis on dissociation from the body, makes sense for OBE, nothing too weird yet.
>"I talked to your parents and they said they think AP is bad witchcraft, we'll have to keep these lessons a secret, or you'll never reach the akashic records, Anon"
>still haven't projected
>says he'll give me a magic potion that the hermetic order of the golden dawn would use in AP rituals
>At this point, nothing sounds too crazy
>Drink it, can't move body or cry out as he fondles me in my chair, heavy dissociative state like I'm on the fourth wall of DXM.
>convinces me it was my mind's subconscious desires, and I should repent for thinking such disgusting things.
>decide I'm not going to this creepo's house ever again, but don't know what to tell my parents, so they keep dropping me off at the pool.
>he finds me on the way out one day, no fake nice guy this time, tells me if I don't come back to his house, he'll tell my parents some crazy lie about me.
>Day after day I'm fed dissociative drugs and molested, and I actually start to experience a twisted, unhealthy version of out-of-body experience. Not the fun Astral kind, but the psychosis kind.
>he tells me I should be thankful for all the drugs he's been so kind to share with me, and that I'm becoming a natural Astral Projector. Just a little more training and I'll have superpowers in no time.

>>18947962
What kind of parents drop their kid off at a local pool?

>>18947962
>To this day, I still think that if I leave my body, somebody is going to find me and lock me out of my body while they take advantage of it.

>>18947980
The naive, underemployed ones who can't afford a daycare, and think they live in a good neighborhood with no pedophiles

File: whew.png (8KB, 238x211px) Image search: [Google]

8KB, 238x211px

>>18946360
>ego death

>>18942938
Yes, once. It was one of the greatest experiences of my life. I met someone special, and they are now in my heart.

>>18946418
the same happened today, but I could only sit up on the bed I couldn't move anything but my upper body.

>>18942976
if you think negative thoughts and have intrusive negative thoughts then on the astral plane they would get amplified and instantly put in your way.

never actually done it but that is what I have read

Top tip

Don't smoke if you want to do any of this stuff, tobacco or weed will reduce your ability to even dream.

>>18949111

true.

how do I know if I'm APing or having a dream about AP?

I've been trying to AP for weeks and thought I APed yesterday but I think I just dreamt it. I was laying in bed and felt a violent pulse in my body starting in my feet that went to my head. Then I was out of my body. It felt like I was a price sticker on a video game and someone just tore me off but the glue residue stayed behind on the case.

I started walking around my house but couldn't fly which I know isn't normal in AP. Everything did have a blue tint to it though. It was kind of dark so I did the "clarity now" thing and everything got lit up. I started walking around my room and everything looked out of place, like the furniture was arranged how it was 10 years ago. My cat was there but he looked like he did when he was about a year old (he's seven now). He seemed to notice me so I tried to pet him but he ran away. Generally things looked how they did in the past. I also seemed to at least be lucid since I was consciously controlling everything.

I woke up after that and I had a similar experience right afterwards when I tried APing again. I felt the pulse, got up, walked around to oddly place furniture and woke up afterwards.

Does this sound like AP? or like a lucid dream where I think I'm APing? How can I tell them apart when it's happening?

>>18951288
>how do I know if I'm APing or having a dream about AP?

That's like asking how do you know if you're dreaming or awake.

You have to be able to tell the difference in the two states, this usually just comes with experience in the altered states of consciousness.

Some people will tell you they're all the same, they're not.

>Does this sound like AP?

It does, the experience people call astral projection takes some getting use to, its like learning to walk.

>or like a lucid dream where I think I'm APing?


>How can I tell them apart when it's happening?

When you get AP you will almost always wake in your room, which won't look like your room anymore, it may resemble your room.

You will NOT see your body on the bed, you will almost always encounter entities as soon as you enter the state, they're usually staring you right in the face.

>>18951308
Thanks for the tips anon

>You will NOT see your body on the bed, you will almost always encounter entities as soon as you enter the state, they're usually staring you right in the face.

that sounds scary as hell. I know there are entities in the astral world but I didn't think they would be hanging out right next to my body. I thought that they're "out in the world" and they only start approaching you after they notice you moving around. Are they negative or friendly? Are they conscious? How do I ask them to go away?

>>18951308
>You will NOT see your body on the bed, you will almost always encounter entities as soon as you enter the state, they're usually staring you right in the face.
I haven't been able to AP yet, but most people I've read online claim to see their bodies on bed... why are you so certain on this?

>>18951365
>that sounds scary as hell. I know there are entities in the astral world but I didn't think they would be hanging out right next to my body


They're not, your moving into that field of vision, its not as though they're there "waiting" for you. But if you're new to the state, they can smell it (so to say) its like being a newbie to psychedelics.

Entities will only hang around you if they can feed of your emotions, once you move past the fear, most of the time, its just smooth sailing.

>Are they negative or friendly?

"They" everything you encounter is a thought form of you or someone else, no matter where or when, time doesn't exist there.

Most of the things are reflections of the self, now that's not to say they're not entities, after all you're an entity, a human entity.

Ultimately they are neither good nor bad, but they will leach of you, if you won't show fear then they will show love, because they want that interaction. Doesn't matter what it is

>How do I ask them to go away?

Obviously you don't talk in these states, all communication is telepathic, a lack of fear will make something that appears negative just leave, or change into something else entirely.


Personal experience.


I entered the state, and was greeted by something that was rather "negative" after a little mind dance, we ended up laughing about it and that thing showed me some pretty cool stuff.


Now, I don't think that thing was outside of me. But it was an experience

>>18951394
I'm not that anon but everyone's experiences are completely different. Some people see a silver cord connecting their astral body to their physical body but some people don't see the cord at all. It could be that anon doesn't see his body when he's projecting

>>18951394
>I haven't been able to AP yet, but most people I've read online claim to see their bodies on bed... why are you so certain on this?


Most people online are looking for attention or subs to their youtube channels, YOU WILL NOT SEE YOUR BODY, this is because you're not in this place we call reality anymore.

There is a thing called etheric projection, which possibly you could see your body, I'm not going to lie, I think I have achieved that state one time in all my years with altered states of consciousness.

Anon, most of the things you read online are people reading something and then regurgitating it, to inflate their own ego's.


Yes its a real thing as something you can experience, but watch where you get your info from, or you will just be chasing your tail.

>>18951423
Alright, not doubting you or anything, if anything your response seems very genuine to me and might even prove helpful in my practice

>>18951647
Good luck

i remember one time when i was a kid- at the end of my dream- i was watching my self sleep from one of the top corners of my room-, i then watched my mom come into my room and start shaking me to wake up. and boom i was awake again, everything looked just as is as when i was dreaming from that corner spot in my room.

never have forgotten that dream.

only out of body experience ive ever had, crazy shit.

I just get into the vibration stage, and for me it's enough. I've never been that comfy in my entire life, no weight, no gravity, just comfy corporal vibration and a mental sensation of comfyness

>>18947238
I think if I had done it, with any guidance, it might have been much less scary. It was when I noticed myself. And I wasn't in myself.

>>18951365
If you banish properly beforehand they should *not* be in your immediate vicinity, generally speaking.

>>18952711
what do you mean by banish?

>>18952760
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Lesser_Ritual_of_the_Pentagram

>>18952762
Also, you should be able to have some fun browsing around on that site and using their search function.

>>18946464
>I used to astral project fairly often, but I stopped after the veelox incident.
veelox? wtf is that?

>>18953915
http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/text/veelox/

TL;DR: Some anons used to meet on the astral plane at this place they created called veelox, everything went to shit when someone lured a bunch of fucking demons.

Moral of the story is, never, ever meet with 4chan anons, because you will most certainly get raped.

>>18953915
Its just roleplay dude. The astral plane don't work like that

>>18942938
you know how lucid dreams are regular dreams on crack? well AP is lucid dreams on crack. best way to do it imo is WAKE method. It's pretty spoopy OP. dont believe any mumbo jumbo about spirits etc its just a type of lucid dream. it is pretty surreal though. its a whole new experience