If life is a simulation then who/what created the universe that

You are too cleaver. Well done.

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The ayyy lmao's.

>>18871677
A Jesus

>>18871677
>implying the creator/s of the universe would need to reside in a universe

That's like saying if a guy builds a chair he must live in a chair. You're thinking about this from a limited, human, subjective perspective. The universe is all we know, but that doesn't mean it's all there is. Our limited brains just can't comprehend something being outside of a/the universe.

>>18871718
Are you fucking retarded? The universe is our term for everything that is and ever will be. The word universe is an umbrella term for literally everything in existence. Stupid idiot.

>>18871718
this guy

>>18871677
We're in an endless simulation
The beings that created our simulation are also in a simulation
And their creators are in a simulation
And so on and so forth

>>18871736
But who created the creators of the very first simulation??

>>18871746
There is no future simulation.

Think about it this way: you know how every decision you make, no matter how simple, creates a new universe where you DIDNT do that thing and they endlessly spiral into infinite universe?

Same concept, but backwards. Endless beginnings.

>>18871746
>>18871750
>future
First*

>>18871677
>This gets serious replies.

Losing a little hope every day...

>>18871760
kill yourself

>>18871760
Why do you consider the possibility of an stable universe a non serious issue of discussion?

>>18871736
Have you seen The Thirteenth Floor?

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The Universal Father *

1:0.1 (21.1) THE Universal Father is the God of all creation, the First Source and Center of all things and beings. First think of God as a creator, then as a controller, and lastly as an infinite upholder. The truth about the Universal Father had begun to dawn upon mankind when the prophet said: “You, God, are alone; there is none beside you. You have created the heaven and the heaven of heavens, with all their hosts; you preserve and control them. By the Sons of God were the universes made. The Creator covers himself with light as with a garment and stretches out the heavens as a curtain.” Only the concept of the Universal Father — one God in the place of many gods — enabled mortal man to comprehend the Father as divine creator and infinite controller.

1:0.2 (21.2) The myriads of planetary systems were all made to be eventually inhabited by many different types of intelligent creatures, beings who could know God, receive the divine affection, and love him in return. The universe of universes is the work of God and the dwelling place of his diverse creatures. “God created the heavens and formed the earth; he established the universe and created this world not in vain; he formed it to be inhabited.”

>>18871799
Oh shit, it's no mans sky!

Humanity created it
But outside of the simulation life is very different
We are like the angels in the bible, with no emotion or feeling
We put ourselves in here to experience life but we can't get out because of a malfunction
Most religions, like Buddhism and Christianity want us to empty ourselves of emotion to get closer to "heaven", which is ourselves outside of the simulation,
But more modern religions, ie Mormonism have directly said that we are the "angels", or emotionless beings outside of the simulation, sent here to gather experience, in hopes the knowledge will wake us.
More recently beings with great power within the simulation have been thrown in, with the hopes of over powering it, these are the Black Eyed Kids and Indigo Children.
Many other "theories" such as the Mandela effect and the Demiurge also have their roots in this system, and if anyone remembers the crazy anon who kept posting hand drawn art about the separate layers of reality in ME threads, he was right, but his view was shallow, it goes much deeper, he seemed stuck on how the layers above us can control reality, rather than thinking about the other layers and how to access them.
Everything the Mandela Effect whistleblower said is true, the point most commonly used to debunk his claims is that green used to be called red.
But anyone who can see past the veil of this false reality knows that color is chartreuse, which was, in a previous update, a grape red rather than a grape green.

>>18871847
Also i forgot to mention that the Christian bible says that in heaven, there is no want, and all of your needs and desires are sated, which could easily circle back to us being the 'angels' outside of the simulation.
Meditate, empty yourself, get in contact with the real you, and hope you escape upon death.

Do not attempt to use your power to alter the simulation, any time someone does so successfully a patch is put in place, and if the system becomes perfect we'll never escape, this desire for power is in all of us, and it represents Satan from the bible, or the evil Demiurge.
We are programmed to want to break the system by the system to root out any exploitable bugs.

Ditch the old words and create your own neologistic utopia.

Magic exists everywhere I'll choose everyday phenomena and occurances and let you judge.

- Dreams are visual imagery so are the phantom feelings and out of body experiences where you feel like you're on another planet don't dismiss these as organic or evolutionary developments they are real and should be acknowledged as such, got it?

The strange sequencing of numbers it might be a phone number or license plate you feel it and see it but it's dumbed down enough for you not to make a point of it it might your birthdate etc

Don't get me started on Voices and Hallucinogens they are semi permanent pathways to the world we speak of most people can't handle a break in reality so they start off early and if you're lucky you get to experience schizophrenia that is a true pathway to the unknown psychiatry knows its mysterious and there are functional people out there who have contact with a backstage director who talks to them much like a microphone in the ear rather a devil who tells them to kill people but that does happen.

The perfection in a system of so called entropy is proof of genius quantum simulation where there is hardly any chaos given the amount of factors we deal with on earth.

Don't forget love all creatures experience it, if there wasn't intelligent aren't we all generally happy, including a mouse?

Enjoy the video that changed my life on these things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15pOr1E6hvc&ab_channel=GarretJohn

>>18871964
This is hippy blue pill

>>18871677
Well, we probably live on a planet suspended in a miniature universe generating power for the creator so he can start his car. And the creator is also inside of a small universe generating power for ITS creator, so on and so fourth.

>>18872040

It's more complicated than that, we share energies with each other, you can't say that pain, depression, work and the rest aren't necessary to experience bliss joy and happiness. Imagine being dead and living a nihilistic existence, which one would you rather choose?

Turtles all the way down bruh

>>18871847
[citation needed]

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The God of this world, The Whore of Babylon The Devil.

>if the infinite universe theory and science is correct why have you not broken free and saved yourself yet?
Technically you already have an infinite amount of times, so why do we still suffer?

>>18872451
Just do your research
All the red strings lead back to what i said being true

>>18871677
What about humans? Since when humans aren't shitty with each others? You should think before posting.

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>>18871718
>That's like saying if a guy builds a chair he must live in a chair

The engineers created their own reality because they are Gods. Besides, do they even have "a" reality because they are probably jumping around between dimensions a bunch.

>>18872603
They can't keep getting away with it

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>>18871847
>chartreuse

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>>18871677
If it's a simulation, then...Fuck. I'm losing it. There's no way.

>>18871964

You should work for Elon Musk.

>>18871677
It's very simple
Nothing truly exists besides my own consciousness, most of which resided in the void, and it created this simulation and placed me (a smaller, limited version of that consciousness) here for an unknown reason.
The void is just the void, unimaginable to this lesser conscious, likely intentionally

>>18871727
Oh is it?
Would hate for someone to conceptualize the multivers then

>>18871677
there are 3 only parts in the universe, but they are only one
>me
>you
>he
'he' who we call god is the everything, and the only real mind existant, but he is far from our concepts of perfection or everything, in fact he is beyond those, he is beyond reality cause reality is him, not bonded by logic or morals, the hunger for knowledge makes him make us, the 'I' and 'you', but as he is everything and the nothing, we are in fact part of himself.

you and I are the same, but different for each other; for me you are into perspective and I am into introspective, in fact our relationships form bounds of knowledge than him absorbs, as knowledge of himself; emotions, pleasures and desires are just the answers to the lack of a part of ourselves; that's why love makes us feel better, cause we feel a part of him closer to us, and that's why buddhism was one of the closest religions to a real god, cause they cease the struggle for desires, as desires are in fact mistakes that exist cause we are incomplete.

in fact god is just 'the sum of all viewpoints'; and I think that 'hunger for knowlegde' that I said is not a desire, but a self recognition as someone existant, cause if he weren't aware of his existance he'd be nothing

>>18873111
Why am i living in your simulation and why is it so shitty?

>>18873168
lol beats me senpai
tho it should be noted that either you don't exist, or we are both beings descended from the upper consciousness in the void. still working out the whole "why" thing, prolly need to kill myself to figure that out

the simulators are just your neighbors

>>18873204
man, its been so long since ive posted ive forgotten about the auto-replace thing

>>18871727
ayyy lmao, cant comprehend multiverses

>>18871677

You did.

Why do you think you did that?

>>18871677
if it was a simulation, would you still be alive?

>>18871677
It's allegedly created by the first inhabitants of Earth: The Dracos. Ayy lmao.

>>18873985
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Leads to the question, who created The Dracos?

Some people call it the well of life, others call it the lifestream, on Earth we may call it Gaea, etc.

>>18871882
11:0.2.The material beauty of Paradise consists in the magnificence of its physical perfection; the grandeur of the Isle of God is exhibited in the superb intellectual accomplishments and mind development of its inhabitants; the glory of the central Isle is shown forth in the infinite endowment of divine spirit personality—the light of life. But the depths of the spiritual beauty and the wonders of this magnificent ensemble are utterly beyond the comprehension of the finite mind of material creatures. The glory and spiritual splendor of the divine abode are impossible of mortal comprehension. And Paradise is from eternity; there are neither records nor traditions respecting the origin of this nuclear Isle of Light and Life.

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>>18871677
Ourselves and everything else.
Everyone had their own take on this idea, well for as much as we each can grasp it and still maintain on daily activities like driving and working. On a surface level, it can seem like a Hell, a torture ground if you are aware to the absurd and fleeting purpose and pattern of our lives. How we all fall into place like a sad mass of fungus in the end.
Although, there's a break, and it's very simple. Just make it worth something to you. There really are no rules, and we can say whatever the fuck we want, whenever we want. You may still be reading this, that's your choice. Make more choices like that, this whole thing is not a test, but a game.
An experiment.

>>18871727

>The universe is our term...

Exactly. It's our term for what WE perceive as reality.

Here is our universe, its inside this kind of computer. The old man scientist died as a man fearing death and the possibility of no heaven so he made a way to save his mind and make it in his image, which as a result made a universe on algorithms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62cjheqv-nw

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>>18871727
>when acting like a know-it-all badass backfires

Damn, son
You are retarded

>>18871746
The God of The Omniverse.
It all ends on his dime.

>>18871677

I would like to get some cheats, the gameplay is too hard

>>18873999
Seriously quit jesus posting
This isn't magic its science, it just looks like magic because you're retarded

>>18874294
>life
>hard

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>>18871847
>>18871882
TFW you drop month of esoteric research and only get a meme reply and [citation needed]

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>>18874312

>>18874318
*months

>>18874318
Every fucking time.
I wish mods were paid employees here, sadly, so we could more effectively eradicate people that do this.

>>18871882
Its easy as fuck to alter this reality. Why alter hell, why even focus on it?

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plz help it isn't save here why the fuck am i here

Tfw we are all God but after reaching a point of singularity we get lonely and place ourselves in this group simulation with other Gods (or rather us with different starting conditions) to satiate it.

You could get rid of all of your emotions to return to the base state, but we specifically put ourselves here because experiences mean nothing after an eternity of experiencing them, especially when you reach the level of power in which you have full control over those around you (turning what appears to be people into NPCs). It'd be better to learn to break reality, because that's why we are here. To have emotions and feel things, but to also be sentient enough to find and use cheat codes so that we have something entertaining enough to live for.

What if the authors of the simulation don't even know humans exist and theorise about living in a simulation because the simulated universe is so large that it's nigh impossible to find Earth?

>>18871677
The universe is created I. The moment, by you/us consciousness.

It's all now. Memories are there so this feels real, it's not

>>18871677

Ourselves

>>18871700
Nope

>>18871677
In the book, Diaspora, Greg Egan presents a plausible way for a simulator to emerge naturally.

>>18871677
we did. and we will do it again and again.

>>18871677
if you are an ant, the "universe" is your backyard.

>>18872496
Asexuals can't be whores.

>>18871677
If life is a simulation, how would we know?

>>18871727
Calm down you child

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>>18871727
oh honey....

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>>18874701
>are all God but after reaching a point of singularity we get lonely
>giving a deity human characteristics

What is this, the fucking stone age?

Oh wait, the vast majority of humans alive today still believe in a deity with human characteristics...

Aww....I made myself sad.

>>18876353
You mean like something people can relate to and understand in a meaningful way? Yeah I can see how that's a huge problem.

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>>18876419

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>>18876427

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>>18876442

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Why create a simulation where most people are dumb?

>>18876549
I guess the experience needs to be maximally challenging to be maximally fulfilling.

>>18871760
>Surely the universe that I'm in is the only one and true universe

>>18871677
The Space Jews.

>>18877314
>Caring either way
Either you're living in a real universe and an idiot, or you're a monkey who's still trapped in a simulation regardless of whether he's aware of it.

>>18876549
Because the person in charge is like the Sims player who deletes the ladder on the swimming pool while people are in it, probably.

>>18877564
Life can feel a lot like that sometimes. Spirit doctors are trolls with good intentions.

>>18871677
This is the ultimate question anyway, it doesn't matter if it's a sim or not. Who created everything? How nothing turn into something? WHAT IS NOTHING? We will probably never know.

Life forms feel a part of a much great whole, and they have dreams fully driven by synchronical events. The multiverse theory gives you a hint of how the Universe is organized in what concerns an isolated life form, completely separated from other life forms, creating its own personal world, a world that includes its self-awareness, and the erroneous idea that everything it senses lies outside its own brain. Actually, life forms do need to believe they are alive in a world full of agents that interact among them independently and driven by free-will, otherwise life forms would decay, and all data stored in them would be irretrievably lost.

>>18877802
My guess is no one knows why anything exists, all we know is that we do. Why wasn't there just nothing? Why did consciousness naturally have the ability to automatically create a challenge/fulfillment system that facilitates eternal consciousness without anyone putting effort into its creation or even being aware of it? There's seemingly no answer. We're here to observe the ramifications of a paradox that may always astound us.

>>18874016
> pic related almost made me piss myself

>>18874318
> pic related is kinda hot so I'll throw you a bone

Why do you believe in Indigo children? More specifically, what do they have to gain from seeking power over us? That just doesn't seem to fit the narrative that I normally hear.

>>18873132
Your such a faggot

>>18871718
>That's like saying if a guy builds a chair he must live in a chair.

No it's like saying, If a guy builds a chair he must need a chair to sit on every once in a while. If that's the case then the Architect of this reality must use it for some purpose.

>>18873132
The multiverse is the term for a universe with multiple branes or instances of a 4D "world" like the one that we know.

"Universe" literally means "everything combined into one thing". It's a scaling term and it's only by cultual path dependence that we refer to our particular brane as the universe.

You're arguing a semantic fallacy.

>>18871727
This poster is literally right and you are all too uneducated to realize it.

Our universe is a multiverse.

>>18871677
Its probably not.


Though if you want to get technical you are.


Most/all of what you perceive is emulated by your brain and put through a number of filters.

You <--- Brain <--- Body <---- Reality

Everything you experience is part of a simulation of reality as interpreted and portrayed by your brain.

>>18879636
>No it's like saying, If a guy builds a chair he must need a chair to sit on every once in a while.

No it's not, tard.

Saying that the creator of a universe would reside in a universe is nonsense because it's like saying the creator of a chair resides in a chair. If you create the universe, you aren't inside the universe. Could the creator of our universe reside in another universe? I suppose anything is possible, but it doesn't really make sense does it? Something that can create universes....why would it reside in a universe? Don't you think it would most likely exist outside of the constructs of a universe if it has the ability to create them?

>>18879678
>being so stupid that you actually think you're smarter than everybody else

what a way to live

>>18879708
I don't believe that I'm smarter than everyone else, just that I'm smarter than mot of the fucking retards on this website. Low bar, given how you faggots can't even into semantics.

>>18879693
You create shitposts and live in them, so in a way you're what you're describing.

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>>18879713
>Low bar, given how you faggots can't even into semantics.
>can't even into semantics.

It could be that everything is infinite and there are infinite universes and parallel timelines meaning your existence is meaningless. Or there is such thing as fate and we have minimum to no free will in our current forms or possibly will never have control of our futures therefore our existence is meaningless. The meaning of life itself is whatever you want it to be, Whatever makes you happy.

>>18878420
>power over us
I said they have power over the system, as in the simulation
They were put in as a sort of agent to bring people towards enlightenment so they can escape the stimulation

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Of course we are in a simulation
The odds are a trillion to one we are not

Obviously we can't find out why or how or for how long or for what purpose but that doesn't change anything

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>>18880102
That's illegible, huh
Still?

>>18879734
Not him, but
>It's a meme you dip!

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>>18880118
All well, I'm not uploading it all anyway

>>18871799

real question

is this morontia world

>>18871718
This is a true genius talking.

The only answer that matters. (OP)

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>>18871677
Is that Levar Burton?

Butterfly in the sky. I can (get) twice as high.

>>18881977
>because I agree. And I'm #1

Thanks for that. I'm sure three days is all it took Op to realize this.

>>18871677
In the "logic" of the ones who created this there's no need for simple causality like that. But they haven't created themselves, it's just a circumstance which we cannot conceptualize at all. Maybe it's not even anything like "them", as in a people

>>18871727
Umm, wrong sweetie!

>>18874294
just sell your soul xd

>>18871677
you're hinting at one of St. Irenaeus' greatest arguments against the gnostics:


Bluntly, just as Aquinas' argues against infinite regress in time, Irenaeus argued against infinite regress in upper dimensions.

Basically, the ultimate creator of all universes must be "god" (the one necessary and fully actual being), with all others between us and the prime reality being irrelevant so long as we have this understanding.

>>18871677
maybe we created it ourselves. perhaps it's really thousands of years in the future and we create simulations of historical lifetimes for research
we block our memories for realism, then wake up when it ends, just to try another

and each "life experience" could happen in barely an hour of real time. Just like that one episode of Star Trek or similar to deep Inception

>>18872040
I got that beautiful reference...

>>18882272
I've been thinking about this shit for a while.
My favorite hope with the simulation meme is that some people rn are just AI, and a bunch of us are rich ~30 year olds using advanced simulation shit from 2030.

>>18880139
>>18880118

Wow, KYS