Brutal spirituality thread. Lots of spirituality is about learning

brutal spiritual truth #1

you are most likely deluded, misinformed, and lying to yourself no matter how intelligent or spiritual you are. yes that includes me too.

#2

you are mostly a product of your social programming and cultural conditioning and even with a huge amount of training you can barely achieve 1% freedom, most everything you do is from the unconscious

>>18847545
Thanks, this is the kind of thing I want.

I'm starting to think that my desire for 'enlightenment' or ego death, is actually pretty arrogant and probably deluded.

Anything about mortality and death?

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>>18847537
>Do you have anything to add about this? Or do you know of any books that are about this subject?

I am your god - that's some brutal spirituality for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amY1GABiiyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmG7vFeUxn8

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>>18847545
>tfw none of this is true for me

Critical thinking is an important skill, anon.

>>18847554
What is wrong with being arrogant and deluded?

How do you experience the euphoria of finding out the truth about who you are if you don't forget it first?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WArESe7N8WU

the truth about mortality, beginnings and ends, is that they exist as part of an infinite all expansive cycle, intangible, one might call god.
death is a transition not the end, morality a tool, only those who come to live in the moment can fully grasp these concepts and come to terms with them.

Start by punching in your weight class. If you know you're weak willed, maybe you shouldn't go trawling for existential crises, you know?

Without falsity nothing would be true.

>>18847545
>you are most likely deluded, misinformed, and lying to yourself no matter how intelligent or spiritual you are.

Religion, science, tradition, spoken language, physical needs and limitations. That is our prison. They were all useful for a time, but now they are just chains.

>>18847537
You absolutely aren't weak-spirited, for you are asking questions and he who asks is answered.

Read Conversations with God.

Light does not illuminate itself. Fire does not warm itself. And a knower cannot know itself.

>>18847561
Fuck you. I'm God. You're just a weakwilled effeminate pansy. I hope you got raped repeatedly when you were a child and it happens again, disgusting untermensch. Get off my board.

I hope you burn in hell eternally after you die.

>>18847629
It is a choice to experience those things as a prison and as chains. There is no judgment of your decisions, only honoring; for you can only experience the liberation if you chain yourself and forget you are the key before.

>>18847627
Without truth nothing can be false.

>>18847537
Our grasp of the universe is minuscule and we will disappear without consequence.

>>18847642
Thanks, I'll look into this.

>tfw your soul is pure and you've already overcome hard truths

>>18847663
Your choice of limitations on your earth experience is honored, but please, don't push it onto other people.

>>18847537
Usually these threads will be deleted once the conversation starts to get deeper.

But what are you after op. What would you like to know?

>>18847660
I am not the key to anything. Death is the key.

>>18847708
I like the nice things about spirituality, that there's more to our lives than what we think. That we're all making progress and can even come across psychic phenomena.

But this experience on this planet is also the every day, the mundane. I don't want to ignore the nitty-gritty aspects of it as well.

Age, disease, death, suffering. I want to face them head-on and not sweep them under the rug.

>>18847733
You are both the key, death, life and the universe.
So hard to accept empowering and liberating truths, so easy to accept limiting ones.

>>18847537
>But as Buddha said, lies are sweet at first and become bitter, the truth is bitter at first then becomes sweet.
This really hit close to home for me Op, i hope you can continue to find the answers you seek, as will i. The truth is something to be cherished

>>18847545
I like these. Going through a period of disbelieving everything at the moment. Not a dark night of the soul, I'm feeling better than ever. But I think there are times to let go of beliefs and recognise limitations, and say OK, what's next.

>>18847592
Nothing. It's inevitable. It just helps to recognise it in yourself, and not judge it harshly in others.

>>18847642
+1 to Conversations With God. It sheds a lot of light on accepted 'truths'.

>>18847752
>That we're all making progress and can even come across psychic phenomena.

Indeed, more often than you might think.

>But this experience on this planet is also the every day, the mundane.

Its only as mundane as you make it out to be, someone who sees this life for what it is, does not see it as something mundane.

>Age, disease, death, suffering. I want to face them head-on and not sweep them under the rug.

Then do that. These things are completely natural.

>>18847537
>But as Buddha said, lies are sweet at first and become bitter, the truth is bitter at first then becomes sweet.
Buddha, the wise plagiarist.

>Bg 18.37 — That which in the beginning may be just like poison but at the end is just like nectar and which awakens one to self-realization is said to be happiness in the mode of goodness.
>Bg 18.38 — That happiness which is derived from contact of the senses with their objects and which appears like nectar at first but poison at the end is said to be of the nature of passion.

>>18847757
It's all a matter of perspective, friend.
Still, i think i understand what you say. Appreciate it.

>>18847761
>But I think there are times to let go of beliefs and recognise limitations, and say OK, what's next.
Kudos, bro.

>>18847537
I have several recovered glimpses of other previous lives. Without going into all the speculation over how exactly I am related to these previous lives, I have seen significant moments from them.

The furthest back in time from now was of a rough nomadic life lived among dark reddish skinned people. The one scene that was 'replayed' to me was of a moment when the group was resting on a rock outcropping overlooking a rough and sparsely vegetated valley. A rough red faced girl came near me as if to show affection. She took my left arm and hand and after only a few moments of looking them over sank her teeth into my hand clearly with no intention of letting go. As a male slightly larger than me came to support her effort I got my hand loose and moved to the rock face to climb higher. The big guy tried to grab me but I moved up out of his reach and kept going. When I got to the next level up I turned to see that he had tried to follow me up but had fallen and the group was already taking his body apart, happy to have the meal. I looked at them and realized that I could never be safe among them again.. that I had never been safe among them. I was happy to move on and started looking to the other paths available to leave the area.

Mostly it is the hard lessons that stay with us across time.

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>>18848601
Moral of the story:

Don't trust in any person. Sure, help others, or use them. But always expect them to stab you in the back.

>>18847537
Brutal spirituality is just an excuse for sadists to give you what you want in exchange to jacking off to the pain the cause you. You'd have to be a complete faggot to worship it, which you probably are.

>muh suffering iz learning
l o fucking l

>>18847545
That's a way to put it

>>18848651
*they
lol, and you call yourself satan
you can't even spell properly
gtfo, abomination

>>18848621
I see it differently than that. For one thing, I had to have eventually died anyway. And I'm still here. Here in life. Here on earth. Here, learning things that most people have little knowledge of.. or regard with disbelief out of ignorance. I see beyond this reality in many ways. But I'm still here.. so I turn my focus toward the things of this world as if there is no other and work. In this life, I am again building my castles in the sand.. waging wars.. and finding other eyes to look deeply into.
We are growing into something. It's a process.

>>18848718
Are you sure you want to know what you're growing into?

>>18848726
I spent several years trying to live up to the standards of the greys but eventually their technology and the resultant perspective was overwhelming. I block the out of my conscious mind just like everyone else now. There are other beings, non physical beings, here living in the dark matter subspace reality. It's not illusion, not any more so than our physically obdurate material is.

I'm growing to be among the beings from the stars. I will probably spend a considerable span of time developing into the ability to live among other non humanoid species. It's a process.

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>>18848756
>There are other beings, non physical beings, here living in the dark matter subspace reality.

>>18848756
Dude I know right? The Gs are total elitists, but desu they're bros if you're on their good side. Their evil reputation is only somewhat earned

>>18848851
And to elaborate, people think they lack empathy, but really they're on empathy OVERDRIVE, but unfortunately they're also really judgmental in ways that can often be an asspain.

They like people who they sense what they like from, they treat everyone else like vermin which is pretty fucked up imo.

>>18848825
I also gave these beings several years of serious examination. It was interesting when they addressed my interactions with them. Their knowledge of our material reality exceeds our own.

>>18848856
Well I can tell you are with similar experience to my own. Pleased to find that you exist. I usually post as X.

>>18848856
The key is in the fact that you are not the body that you wear. Either your character has value or it does not. I tend to agree with their dismissive attitude toward the lesser beings. Not talking about race here. It's deeper than that.

>>18848874
If you dismiss a lesser being it will be lesser forever. I don't think that's correct at all. No one should have to owe a lesser being their attention, but giving them that attention (and not necessarily promoting them), is imo "The Right" thing to do, if it helps them grow.

>>18848851
Their technology crosses boundaries that we still view in terms of good and evil. They chart their course across time and space in ways we will perhaps never measure.. I tried to get a handle on it and they gave me every chance but it was overwhelming. Eventually the concepts collided and I began to block them out of my mind, day and night. I think I need to get some stuff done on this world now and I am going to.

>>18848874
Also what the consider to be lesser is completely subjective. One's trash is another's treasure, although I think it is more nuanced than that Nb (if it's still possible).

And all of that is assuming that inferiority isn't a completely artificial construct.

>>18848884
Yeah a lot of the things they've done to me have only had (negative) consequences several months afterwards. Like, they'll tell me they're doing some innocuous thing, and then a long time later it will actually matter. Dude, how am I supposed to prepare or deal for that? How am I even supposed to know what to do? Fucking alienfags are so quick to hit you but not to help you sometimes. Sorry, I know that's a little extreme, but it bothers me that they expect something from me that I don't understand.

>>18848888
I remember them doing lots of stuff. Displayed vehicles pretty often to drive home the point that they were not just dreams etc.
I just tried to volunteer to work among them and earned a place. Helped with the extraction crews floating a frozen stiff body around like driftwood etc.

As a 11 year old kid I even had air force brass interested in my reaction to a landing behind the school on an army base. At the time I didn't remember it for what it was though.. they changed the memory. Cool that when they replayed that for me later I could see exactly how the memory had been altered.

They did lots of testing to see something about my aptitude or something but it was beyond my understanding. When I thought I had an insight they were interested and gave as high level an audience as I deemed necessary. Of course I got reprimanded for trying to take stuff off a ship.. and for breaking/using equipment without permission or supervision. I even manned a medical station for a few weeks until reprimand for having too human response to a girl I knew being brought in wearing nothing. They look so dead in the eyes. On the table you could see through the body though and that helped.. but I no longer did that assignment afterwards.

>>18848893
I remembered stuff that was so traumatic that it was driving me somewhat insane until I got a handle on it. They don't try to get people to understand that stuff on purpose and even said that it was unfortunate that I had remembered it, but it gave me a lot of knowledge that is hard to find out on your own. The bagavad gita kinda has a clue.

They try to do stuff for us but from their point of view it's like trying to get a dog to talk.

>>18848877
If you want to advance the lesser beings are only in your way. Don't let sympathy for the unfortunate cause you to become one of them.

>>18847545
>you are most likely deluded, misinformed, and lying to yourself no matter how intelligent or spiritual you are. yes that includes me too.
So sick of this kind of bullshit that gets repeated by so called enlightened people on an endless loop.

You'd think such a great relevation of profuse enlightenment wouldn't be so half assed and narcissistic

C-

>>18847643
I dunno. Fire's pretty hot.

The material world is closer to hell than most realize and it is getting worse and closer to hell on earth year by year.

God is a sociopath and human de evolution is real.

A National Socialist would have prevented this as in essence it is about advancing humanity as a whole but instead lost to the true masters of the earth who are pretty close to the Nazarene conception of the Devils own ie the Jews. Jews and the Black Nobility and other asuras want human enslavement and due to the forces of the Kali Yuga their greed pays off.

Solvet saeclum in favilla

>>18848986
National Socialist society I mean.

At the end of the Kali Yuga these Jews and others like them will get their just desserts but no before destroying 99% of the human race and earth itself.

The Phoenix arises from the ashes

Agios o Vindex

>>18847662
truth and lies, black and white, light and shadow. two sides of the same coin.

>>18847545
So what? The nail that sticks out always get's hammered. Just go with the grain and get your schemes to run deep enough to keep you safe and enable you to sieze maximum benefits when an opportunity presents itself. The system of control has kept human civilization propering for atleast 6000 years, trying to break away from it is a stupid move, means you can't read the bigger picture and scheme accordingly. People nowadays have basically tunnel vision, completely missing elephants present in the room, some cant even read into a normal conversation and society calls them autists, while 99% of the world is pretty much autistic aswell, ironic isn't it. Now fuck off with this shit and make sure you hide that tinfoil hat out in public.

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>>18847629
>Religion, science, tradition, spoken language.

See it like this.
Those are like the software to our hardware. Back then we didn't know better, we didn't have nothing. So these things worked for us really well. They made civilization what it is today.
But now we know our hardware is capable of much more that what we programmed ourselves to. Now we are stuck with an outdated OS and only a few fuckers got the know how on quick reprogramming the body and mind while we need complete generations to mold children into what we need now. Which *THEY* dont want happening.
The worst of it is those Same few figured out how to use our current OS to dominate and control us. Or was it already built in?

Our bodies are self sustaining, self replicating biological computers.
What are we supposed to compute?

>>18849219
plenty of solid programs out there already, just DL em and start the good work

Truth here: You are all most likely sons of darkness, trying to help the demiurge, while you pretend normalcy, and I'm probably the only human.

>>18847545
>you are mostly a product of your social programming and cultural conditioning and even with a huge amount of training you can barely achieve 1% freedom, most everything you do is from the unconscious
I wish I could find a therapist who understands this and could actually help from this standpoint. getting tired of this cognitive behavioural bullshit, just feels like I'm trying to brainwash myself without really changing anything that matters.

I feel like I should just go to my spiritual advisor instead, but she can't stop talking about pleaidians.

>>18849266
Talmudic Jew detected

>>18847545
>implying

You're 100% a product of nature (biology and quantum physics) and nurture.
Technically you'll only ever have the illusion of free will since you're inside the system.

>you're most likely deluded. ..
No shit. No one knows everything.
Perception =/= reality.

Wow /x/ really is full of dumb cunts.

>>18847761
Criticizing things are easy.
Believing things is massively underused.
Do both though-on everything.

>>18847602
What?

>>18847611
>expansive cycles
Congrats on reading a popsci magazine about the Big Bounce.
>death is a transition
Yeah as our energy converts into other forms. Where's your logic we live on? Are you some biocentrist fanboi? Or a dumb gnostic theist?

>>18847627
Without light there would be no dark, as we'd not know the difference, what's your point?

>>18847629
And what exactly wouldn't be a chain, or would "free" us?

>>18847642
tl;Dr pls

>>18847643
Maybe I'm taking this too literally, but I'm pretty sure inducing fire induces heat

>>18847663
We can still try to live forever and understand everything

>>18847680
>tfw when you're the most humble person in the world

>>18847757
Bitch please, enough with the we're all one soul reincarnated thing

>>18848601
You may be schizophrenic

>>18848756
Jesus Christ you people are nuts

>>18848825
>that pic
We still detect those wavelengths genius

>>18848864
>>18848884
>>18848893
Tf are you talking about
Who are "they",how do you know they exist, and that you're not psychotic?

>>18848986
>>18849266
Just...Kek

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>>18847652
>Fuck you. I'm God.

Do you have any evidence of that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFha04GgVg

>>18847537
The cold hard truth is that ur great and I hope you have a wonderful day.

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>>18849714
ur great too!

Pain and destruction are necessary. Everybody lies (especially to themselves). Nobody is ever obligated to care about you. You're probably not nearly as great as you think you are.

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>>18849451
>And what exactly wouldn't be a chain, or would "free" us?
At this time, i think religion disappearing suddenly along with all its thought processes. I could explain it better but i dont English and i can't find How to say it.

I could give an example though.

>People see a real alien, and because it has a complete different appearance from anything w know, religion conditioning kickks in and people instantly think demon. Its not a demon, it is another life form, no reason to be scared if it doesn't attack. Well, maybe if its ugly af, then be scared.

>>18849451
Stop taking the roleplaying seriously retard.

>>18849451
They are really making the frogs gay.