/omg/ - "Just Trying to Keep the Conversation Alive&quo

>>18821785
I do STFU.

AHBH?

We care a lot

I care

I'll chat occult. Hey, was Ape working on those microfilms or something?

I care a bit so I bump

What's this thread about?

>>18823370
occult magics and generals

>>18823387
Theres a variety of books, not just wicca, in fact I didn't know there were wicca ones.

>>18823370
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/subject/Occultism%20%26/filter/text/

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>>18823390
I made him add some wicca for background reading. It's mostly trad craft though. It's useful as far as syncretizing currents and an example of what not to do.

Bumpity

>>18823526
I wish he had more LHP stuff. When my pc is fixed I'll look at his shit from DR tho.

>>18823526
> an example of what not to do.
heh. i like the scourge. did crowley give him that idea? seem's kinda catholic.

>ywn form a temple of wizards that sell books worldwide whom also happen to be psychic vampires whom you met on a past life in which you also had a temple.

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So, anyone has experience with The Temple of Set materials?

I remember Ape mentioning that some of their mid- to high tier stuff deals particularly with techniques of divorcing yourself from perception of linear time.

>>18823708
Does he have the material, tho?

>>18823708
why do all the LHP guys have these fucking insane eyebrows? It's like their physical bodies "know" that they're on some sinister shit

>>18823708
>I remember Ape mentioning that some of their mid- to high tier stuff deals particularly with techniques of divorcing yourself from perception of linear time.
well that makes sense - Michael Aquino was hypothetically super on the remote viewing program...I read an entire book about his involvement, called The Psychic Battlefield. Book was a little sketchy in terms of its legitimacy, but it contained some interesting anecdotes.

addendum, sorry the whole book isn't about aquino, it's about occult/psy involvement in the military in general. The author is insufferable, so I don't entirely recommend...there is an amusing bit where he just lays into Ronald and Nancy reagan though

>>18823772
Mind Star is dry as fuck and over my head.
speaking of which, these guys are idiots but 23:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl0Me6_Djyg
he's a fascinating guy

>>18823772

No idea, at least he didn't refer to any particular document. I guess i'll just have to read through the Temple of Set folder.

>>18823808
>>18823820

He's a very smart and deep dude, to be sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5HamZ4cd-Y

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>>18823808
>insane eyebrows
it's not just for guy's anymore

>>18823808
special snowflakes with uniqueness
Michelle Bellanger had both vulva and dick, I think.

Magicu bampu

>>18823526
dope pic senpai
saved

>>18823808
>lhp
>sinister
take your satanic panic back to last century

>>18824370
>>lhp
>>sinister
>take your satanic panic back to last century

>left hand path
>sinister
>sinister means left in latin

get your word-root shit together

>>18824370
plz keep your good/evil morality off my latin words

I've read a bit both on the Temple of Set and Thelema. Is it right to say that the concept of the True Will and Achieving Xeper is kind of similar?

>that ancient and arcane feel when your office is uncomfortably warm and climate control is centralized.

Fug.

i dunno but the first time i read, "there is no god but man. do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", i got a hard-on.
Xepher feel's more cerebral. implies real work

holy shit, does anybody have an urban dictionary account? somebody's wrong on the internet. again.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xepher

>>18824519
Yes.

>>18823832
>>18823833
He's been doing a lot more interviews he has in this last two years than he's done in almost two decades.

>>18823820
There's a LOT of speculation that Spacey's character in Men who Stare is Aquino.

>>18824674
If one is to get started on Thelema, what is a suggested reading list? I started on Magick in Theory and Practice since it was in the beginner section but I feel like I would need more readings to understand it clearer. I have a rough understanding of his Berashith essay but I can't say I find it all clear lol.

What's the Typhonian current, btw? I read the Dark Lord once and it seemed to have even more of a focus on sex magick than usual.

>>18824699
>what is a suggested reading list
All Class B texts.
And that's just to start you off.
That's what they want out of a Probationer.
That's what you should expect from yourself.

>Typhonian
This refers to many things, most Grant's speculations on the nature of Apophis which as been repackaged into various systems.

>>18824730
Class B even before reading the holy books?

>>18824767
If we're going by Probation protocols, yeah, all Class B texts plus Liber 65.

Liber L vel Legis isn't even on the A.'.A.'. reading list until Zelator.

L 65 is for Probationers.
L 7 is for Neophytes.
L 220 is for Zelators.

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The sigil of Vulcan.

>>18824730
Some of your gnostic texts are a wrd mixture of religions put together that really activate my almonds and trigger my autism so much.

>>18824802
Is the curriculum of the order the best possible way to getting to know and practice Thelema as a philosophy and magick? The tenet of "do what thou wilt" and the Duty text really appeals to me; but is the order the standard for all thelemites or is it more for the more involved scholars?

>>18824821
The scribble of Virgin

>>18824674
>>>18823820 (You)
>There's a LOT of speculation that Spacey's character in Men who Stare is Aquino.
Fricking loved that movie. My favorite part is how the casting director+script writer teamed up to make Obi-Wan Kenobi say "jedi knight" in a movie set in the real world

>>18824855
A.'.A.'. is the Blazing Heart of Thelema.
It's the core.
You don't need it to apply Thelema but to understand Thelema to a maximum possible extent you must study the A.'.A.'.

>>18824874
Much appreciated. many thanks.

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Bump.

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Rate my circle omg

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>>18824900
Literally one of the most important developments of the GD.

Compare the middle configuration against...

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so I made this stupid thing

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>>18824863
>virgin
I wish.

>>18824942
>>virgin
>I wish.
aw is that vesta? so hearthy and nice

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>>18824845

>a wrd mixture of religions put together that really activate my almonds and trigger my autism so much.

Gotta be Samael Aum Weor. Very intentse and interesting on the first read, but if you come bakc to them a year or so later, after doing some other stuff, and it just hits you how fucking batshit and eclectic it is.

If i'm not mistaken his books are just straight up fucking banned in Spain and Portugal.

>>18824970
>If i'm not mistaken his books are just straight up fucking banned in Spain and Portugal.
I think you are mistaken, Spanish people freaking love Samael Aun Weor

>>18824964
Yep! Hestia is bestia.

Thoughts on Dragon Rouge?

>>18825003
>Spanish people freaking love Samael Aun Weor
Peninsular? Or people who speak Spanish in general?

>>18821795
The English spelling of the Hebrew word for "love." Sorry I immediately bailed after creating this, but I had a bit to drink and my woman was anxious to get home, where I do not have internet.

>>18824911
Neat. Kinda small, but I like it.

>>18825220
>>Spanish people freaking love Samael Aun Weor
>Peninsular? Or people who speak Spanish in general?

Both, but he does seem to have picked up a pretty decent amount of traction in south and central America.

>>18825029
Its just 50 euro for their magic, dont you have 70 euro? just pay the 130 euro already.

>>18825366
>>>Spanish people freaking love Samael Aun Weor
>>Peninsular? Or people who speak Spanish in general?
I actually found a weird commune not too long ago in Argentina who wouldn't let me come visit until I'd read a certain amount of Samael Aun Weor, I was like "ok interesting," and picked up a copy of Treatise of Revolutionary Psychology. It was...ok.

>>18824821
Note how the sigil vaguely represents a hammer striking a flat surface with sparks flying.

Hey guys, I'm trying to find the name of a text that was described to me as "The Bible- Director's Cut." I know you guys know what I'm referring to, and I appreciate any help.

>>18825601
Willis Barnstone's "The Other Bible" is pretty good but I've yet to find a codex of 'Gnostic' texts that really meets my requirements.

>>18825613
I know there was a brief discussion of the book in one of these threads maybe a week or two ago. I'm not sure how to find it in the archives, though. I know a lot of occult orders/occultists seem to use it for reference...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hgWxb1bXkE

Bumping this for interest.

>>18825611
Barnstone's Restored New Testament is really good too and perhaps closer to what he's looking for.

>>18825767
Man Barnstone's a stellar editor but would it fucking kill the man to stop just excerpting chapters and like publish all four books of Enoch instead of ten pages.

>>18825767
Turns out I was looking for The Zohar, which doesn't exactly match the description I was going by. Thanks!

>>18825813
No yeah the Zohar's great but I wouldn't call it the Biblical director's cut which is more Apocrypha and Midrash.

I oughta summon something for once

>>18825981
Go for it!

>>18825981
What tradition/current do you follow?

Where can I find the last transmission that led Dee and Kelly to stop their work?

>>18826169
Also very interested

>>18826207
I'm sure it's in the library somewhere, just not sure where. We were talking about it in another thread, and my interest was aroused.

>>18826210
I'm looking under the Enochian folder, not sure where to start. I don't wanna just start downloading stuff as it's not my computer. Maybe you can find it there, anon

as far as sigil magick goes, what would be an approach to imbue power into a certain design. (i'm not asking how to do sigil magick) what i'm more interested in is actually having a personal design imbued with protective energy to forever have with me

>>18821780
Anyone got any sources or rituals for transforming the self? (In minor ways)

>>18826169
>>18826207
>>18826210
>>18826220
>"I am the daughter of Fortitude and ravished every hour from my youth. For behold, I am Understanding, and science dwelleth in me; and the heavens oppress me. They covet and desire me with infinite appetite; for none that are earthly have embraced me, for I am shadowed with the Circle of the Stars, and covered with the morning clouds. My feet are swifter than the winds, and my hands are sweeter than the morning dew. My garments are from the beginning, and my dwelling place is in myself. The Lion knoweth not where I walk, neither do the beasts of the field understand me. I am deflowered, yet a virgin; I sanctify and am not sanctified. Happy is he that embraceth me: for in the night season I am sweet, and in the day full of pleasure. My company is a harmony of many symbols, and my lips sweeter than health itself. I am a harlot for such as ravish me, and a virgin with such as know me not. Purge your streets, O ye sons of men, and wash your houses clean; make yourselves holy, and put on righteousness. Cast out your old strumpets, and burn their clothes and then I will bring forth children unto you and they shall be the Sons of Comfort in the Age that is to come."

>>18826260
I am so terrified of The Queen of Heaven..

I'm shaking after reading that

Compared to chapter III of Liber AL this seems fairly low key, although maybe it's like a generational thing. Unsettling at the time I suppose.

>>18826260
That Babylon is no joke

>>18826442
Seriously read her words in Jack Parsons Babalon Working...

>>18826260
literally me

>>18825838
Cold Open:
When the King conceived ordaining
He engraved engravings in the luster on high.
A blinding spark flashed
within the Concealed of the Concealed
from the mystery of the Infinite,
a cluster of vapor in formlessness,
set in a ring,
not white, not black, not red, not green,
no color at all.
When a band spanned, it yielded radiant colors.
Deep within the spark gushed a flow
imbuing colors below,
concealed within the concealed of the mystery of the Infinite.
The flow broke through and did not break through its aura.
It was not known at all
until, under the impact of breaking through,
one high and hidden point shone.
Beyond that point, nothing is known.
So it is called Beginning,
the first command of all.
cut to a quote on a black screen
"The enlightened will shine like the zohar of the sky,
and those who make the masses righteous
will shine like the stars forever and ever"
(Daniel 12:3).

The Zohar!

>>18826539
Then I am both irresistibly drawn to you and utterly terrified at the same time Star Goddess...

>>18826560
I tend to have that affect on people.

Creator
Son of Man & Head of Days
Then the (4-12ish) Seraphin.
Then the Cherubin on down.

Is the 'Queen of Heaven' the manifestation of the Head of Days = Holy Spirit? As the Son of Man is the manifestation of God in the masculine as Jesus the Christ?

Or is the Queen of Heaven one of the fundamental patterns as a Seraphin? ...Or some jumped up lesser Angle of Light which is either proudly arrogant and fallen or simply unusually verbose?
As far as I'm aware most such entities prefer to project ideas and intent rather than flowery tells.

>>18826594
I don't know what i'm talking about, but speculate shekinah=ruach ha-kodesh=holy spirit and queen of heaven is shekinah in binah, so she's a transcendent aspect of the holy spirit

>>18826594
I tend to think it's the third option hence my fears...

>>18826565
Tits or GTFO

>>18821780
OSOGD wants to get new students. Amusing.

>>18824802
Liber L has some good stuff in it that even a relatively inexperienced person can benefit from. Having a "wrong" first impression can sometimes make the new one stick more strongly. I feel that there is no limit to how many times one can go to Liber L. I've read it quite a bit often.

Are any editions of the complete golden dawn better than the others? Any helpful companion reading?

Main differences of the Golden Dawn and Thelema? Philosophies, goals, practices, deities, etc?

>>18826925
Thelema has 3 "official" deities, but not like most would think of them. Also everyone is one. There's just different types of "gods" per se.

>>18825384
When I was in Colombia I saw many Gnostic groups following Weor, now in Barcelona i found at least two groups also calling him "master" and following his books. I think he's had like a resurgence among Gnostics but I am far from being an expert. His books are not banned anymore I would say, except on some shitty third wired country without internet access

>there are people who believe Gurdjieff was a conman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dzs0EWQVXE

>>18826758
Your'e up late.

It's my humble opinion that L is risky and hitting it fast and hard risks obsession. I seen't it. Both of the other Holy Books have more 'instructional' content.

>>18826925
Thelema, in many senses, is elaboration of Golden Dawn.

>>18827312
That's interesting, when I first posted the library I wasn't hearing that sort of stuff.

>>18827476
You must have lots of patience if thelema is anything like golden dawn, I couldn't stomach golden dawn.

>>18827312
I'm spanish and I think he's some new ager as opposed to a true gnostic, a scammer.

>>18826877
The latest edition is both better and worse than the previous one and all the editions before that are progressively more terrible.

>>18827568
What are your gripes?
I haven't sat down with the source material with a fine tooth comb, because at a certain level these are the Stella Matutina papers anyway, and as such are only reasonable working simulacra.

>>18827571
>>>18827568 (You)
>What are your gripes?
Greer cleaned up a lot of regardie's mess but it's still a clusterfuck and has even more typos and errors than the 6th edition. It's probably the best edition to date but you have to find a list of corrections somewhere because some of the tables got raped and the formatting is still awful. Golden Dawn isn't my thing at all but that's what I gathered going through it and just bought the 6th edition off an anon.

>>18827578
Fuck, for real?

I just used the 2002 edition forev-
W...what the fuck? Black Brick is STARTING on Amazon at 168? Everyone had that book. I find it hard to buy the market on copies has crunched that hard.

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>>18827582
I got the 6th for 11 dollars on eBay.

>>18827582
The Greer edition is supposed to be really good. I could see that fucking the market.

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>>18827591
>Paratrisikavivirana
>Abhidhamma

You're well on your way.

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>>18827598

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This thread is consumed by the dark brotherhood, bound to knowledge of your father the satan.

Just accept godhood and endure all negative vibrations in the way of that thruth ?

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>>18827657
Having to use your thoughts on such subjects bounds you futher down the dark path, releasing all knowledge and definitions and rituals brings true allignement

>>18827604
One day I may find the time to decipher all that and do a ritual year. But first comes 10 credits this summer followed by senior seminar.

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>>18827676
>>18827669
sry i answered you before timeline

What can you tell me about Michael Ford.

>>18827657
Fuck off.

>>18827676
That's a kids meal. I work 30 hours on top of an above full time grad enrollment. AND I'm writing two articles for publication.

Best of luck. You'll need it.

>>18827740
Shit, mostly.

Former O9A edgelord that sorta knows what he's doing who ripped off a fuckload of Chumbley, not unlike Ixaaxar press.

>>18827801
I'm mostly interested in his books on the biblical snake, I expect little fruit from an edgelord tho, as I view the snake in a different light.

>>18824911
autism

>>18827455
>maybe because he was

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>>18827740
>>18827810
ONA spawn, applies that sweet LaVeyan technique; showmanship, presenting himself and his work with some "look how evil I am" shtick. Not a fan of his aesthetics... and his work ethics.

He has (had?) a tendency to interpret Mesopotamian pantheons and misunderstanding the roles of the gods/entities, usually plastering everything with some "adversary" perspective. Lacks sources, he makes up a story about a certain deity and the core of his explanation is "because darkness n shit".

Ford's books MIGHT give some different insights on LHP philosophies, but that's about it.
Okay-ish for a beginner. Hell, better Ford than JoS. That's one positive side, his work doesn't make much damage. Even though it lacks depth, it instigates to learn more.

>tfw the office picks up and eats into your allocated writing time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8_-QUfkgAM

>>18827881
>had?
No, *has*, afaik.

>lacks sources
Because he doesn't wanna just tell people he got his hands on a copy of DBoE and ripped off the entire aesthetic of Luciferian Wytchcraft.

>it instigates to learn more.
Without filling your head with as much mythic history BS as O9A and the various splinters therefrom.

Ape what is your opinion on EA Koetting?

>>18827898
>>18827801
>Shit
The only people I see defending him are shitty "darque" magicians and people in Gunther's A.'.A.'. which should indicate a LOT.

>>18827908
Gotcha. Thanks.

>>18827885
>>18827881
I see, I guess I might have a look, thanks for your input.

What is the eventual goal of the dragon book of Essex? Is it another way of getting K&C with your holy guardian angel or something completely different?

>>18827885
Haven't read his recent book, Necrominon, but it looks more of the same ("eastern, luciferian, darkz n shit"). That one is about Egyptian magick though. I wonder who he's ripping off this time...

>without filling your head with as much mythic history BS
Yep. He namedrops a lot.
Anyone who is actually interested will look for somebody else or something else.

>>18827956
You're welcome.

>>18826594
You still here anon?

>>18828017
>Anyone who is actually interested will look for somebody else

Such as? As I said, my interest is on the biblical snake, stuff like that.

>>18827908
His persona is ass but I read one of his works and his summoning tech is legit, likely stolen from someplace else. I think I have a PDF of it lying around somewhere

>>18825557
So how would we use this?

Your sigil designs are neat, but they never seem to come with instructions.

>>18827801
I'm not chemically enhanced 24/7 like certain overachieving grad student occultists.

Anyone here have an opinion on Samuel Sagan and the Clairvision stuff?

>>18828481
Hey, I'm not chem'd ALL the time; if I don't sleep a few hours a week the grey market -finils make me hear things.

That's why it's so important to make the foundation of your chemical diet copious amounts of indica. Levels you out.

>>18828013
That and more.
The goal is hard to summarize. Interface with HGA is a component. So is asterism. So is ancestor veneration. It really works on multiple fronts.

>>18828485
Dowhatnow?

The particular "barbarous name" a-thele-ber-set keeps showing up in my dreams and my research indicates that different people think it means different things. I sort of interpreted it as the spiritual serpent nature of the desert. Is there a better source of information on this name than the translation in Liber Samekh? What does the "Sun that goes without Will" even mean?

>>18828145
I am now.
Still wondering how the Queen of Heaven falls in line.

Another question to voice: The Holy Guardian Angel
Who among those who've tried to contact theirs has succeeded in gaining knowledge? Describe your Holy Guardian Angel. Name, Meaning, ect.

>>18828509
come on boy, you think your doing gods work spreading all this knowledge people will use as an escape from reality and unlocking any actual power (instead of working on rituals that only have any meaning because you cant face the fact its your own aspect you need to face)

>>18828509
What do you recommend? amphetamines are a little too effective on me and I end up not eating or sleeping for days.

>>18828595
Shut up you methhead faggot you aren't smarter than anyone in this thread

>>18828550
Yes. The description of her as an arrogant and verbose Fallen Angel seems most likely but where does she fall in the scheme of things?

Any anons care to answer?

>>18828595
>you think your doing gods work
Not really.

>people will use as an escape from reality
How people use this information is entirely up to them. I can only warn against spiritual materialism.

>instead of working on rituals that only have any meaning because you cant face the fact its your own aspect you need to face
Archetypes are not "all in your head". Jung sides with the spirit hypothesis.

Lemme go dig out that one Jung quote, Christ on a cracker.

>>18828616
Low dose Hydrafinil. Easy on the liver. 150-300mg pure should be more than enough to keep your juices flowing through the day.

>>18828548
The Barbarous Names' true meaning and function are forever lost to time. Crowley is probably referencing a "wu wei wu" concept. Action without action. Movement in stillness, etc.

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>>18828639
>I will literally never not have a reason to post this, at bare minimum, once a week.
Goddamn.

For the vibration of god names, do you guys spell out "IHVH" or pronounce the name? Also, do you say "Ateh Gebor le-Olahm Amen" or AGLA? Thanks!

>>18828646
Golden

>>18828717
>IHVH" or pronounce the name
Between "Yaweh" and "Yaveh".

>AGLA
Depends on the intent. USUALLY for basic shit I'll err with AGLA.

>>18828639
>Hydrinifil
Careful with that. It might be safer than most stims but that doesn't make it safe for long term use

>>18828646
>jung
>ever
my sides

If I were to get into the eastern stuff, why would be some of the essential reads?

>>18828717

Here's Regardie recording his pronunciations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zKVEcPJ368&list=PLCAD399FAEC379F10&index=4

He has a recording where he includes instructions too (should be in the playslist). Find whatever makes you comfortable; consistent practice is the most important.

>>18828794
I don't use it regularly.
Also you're talking to a dude who used to have to eat half their LD50 of dexamp just to get off.

Speed's one hell of a drug.

>>18828896
Depends on what Eastern stuff you're interested in. If it's Buddhism, you want the Tripitaka. If it's Hinduism, I can really only direct you to tantra.

>>18828899
Thanks for that link! It has led me down a very interesting path of exploration

You tried Bacopa Monnieri? My neurologist recommended it after a brain trauma, it's clinically backed to improve cognition. Takes a little while of taking it daily to work, but do recommend, especially for ADHD mind

>>18828952
>Bacopa Monnieri
That's one hell of a chemical profile.
I don't know much about it or its constituents, tho.

>>18828956
>>Bacopa Monnieri

Recommend 8-12 weeks before you finish evaluating it, for anyone who wants to try. Clinical trials show results in 4-6, but significantly stronger ones over time.

>>18828931
>If it's Hinduism, I can really only direct you to tantra.
Tantra for a beginner. Not the upanishads or vedas or anything else? Wtf are you smoking?

It's an adaptogen. Works on the dopaminergic and serotonergic systems, which if you have the adhd pathology, covers both your bases (since they still don't have any idea what neurochemical system that works on...). Otherwise known as water hyssop. You may know hyssop from its use as one of the classic "purification" herbs that you can put in water before any kind of magical work

>>18828972
>what are you smoking
Vamachara and if you don't like it I'll go make the Krsnite/Vaishnav general thread for you to use.

Even then, particular sects inside of "orthodox" Hindi practices may or may not be particularly related to the Upanishads that come to most people's minds when I say the word, particularly if they're not Vaishnav.

I recently acquired a book called "2,100 Asanas". Any suggestions for companion-type material or supplementary material for this? The guy who created it looks like a tool, but it has some pretty good stuff in it. Thank you.

>>18828980
Nice Krishnite jab, faggot, but I'm a Saivite, and I wouldn't recommend advanced shit like tantra to someone who knows dick about Hinduism, unless you want them to be confused and pissed off to the point where they won't continue. Unless that's your goal, in which case, get fucked.

>>18829016
Maybe he's assuming they are more intelligent than your average 4chan poster? Just speculating here.

>>18829018
>more intelligent than your average 4chan poster?
Based on what? All that person said was:
>If I were to get into the eastern stuff, why would be some of the essential reads?
Plus, who assumes that people on 4chan aren't total mongs?

>>18826758
Actually, I just used that image to symbolize Kephra, considering the time of night I posted the thread... but, yaknow, art is meant to be subjective so feel free to mis- or re-interpret my intent.

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>>18829016
>I wouldn't recommend advanced shit like tantra to someone who knows dick about Hinduism
Not even Kaulajnananirnaya which more or less explicates the Saivist take on most common concepts that get meme'd real hard in the West?

>>18829027
My point, rather, was "it depends". "Eastern" is an abstraction I hate using and would rather speak on like actual sects and praxes which I can start to unpack a little but if you're just gonna go "wat read" with little or no direction on what you're interested in beyond the vague implication of half a continent, I'm probably going to have a terse reply.

If you really really need "babby's first", there's a reason I keep a beginner's folder with like college level "intro to [thing]" texts in my Eastern folder.

I was TRYING to prod the dude into asking a more detailed question but I guess we're all gonna be fagmouths about it.

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>>18829016
By your words, I can see that you are a truly enlightened being that possesses the primordial knowledge of the cosmos!

>>18829057
Don't make me use my siddhis.
>teleports behind you
>"heh, nothing personnel, kid"

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>>18829070
>Don't make me use my siddhis.

If you find me foul or unjust, then by all means, dispense your justice with zeal!

Considering how natural DMT is developed through meditative exercise already, is there ever any excuse to be had for applying mind altering drugs into the equation? I have never used any while staunchly avoiding them but despite reported dangers in mixing drugs and occult activities together, some people swear by them. Are these people just impatient and damaging their internal balance or are there qualities to be respected from certain foreign substances?

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>>18829016
>Not the upanishads or vedas or anything else?
add the gita, the tao, ~ , to that list.
awesome, essential, but not occult.

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>>18829159
Some of us need to be shown the way and build up neural pathways and triggers for maoi production and tryptamine release. Constant use is a waste as plunging the chemical toilet is a shitty experience.

>>18829159
>Considering how natural DMT is ***PROBABLY*** developed ***in the brain, aside from native but nonactive amounts elsewhere in the body*** through meditative exercise already
1) Gimmie the study that actually verifies in-vivo DMT production at active levels diffuse across the grey matter in humans, because afaik, it's still not been published. Best we have is in the mouse brain, which only is indicative of mice. Gimme, like a pig or something. Even better, a lower primate. Then we can start speaking of mammals.
2) The drug experience overlaps with but is not the drug experience. Think Venn Diagram.

I like low to subactive doses of trypatmines. Once did an hour solid block of yoga on a quarter of psicubes. It was neat.

Just remember that they are the tool and not the goal, and you'll be fine.

>>18829190
>Constant use is a waste
^This.
~t. guy who cooked and smoked DMT twice a day for the better part of a year.
I don't actually recommend this to anyone and I'm BAFFLED I'm not more burnt out than I am.

>>18828956
Ape, I know Crowley said he found several effective methods for achieving K&C of HGA... so is the Operation of Abramelin still considered the standard?


Also, I seem to remember at one point Crowley had himself dedicated on a cross to Jesus or something? Or did I misunderstand that anecdote?

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>>18829159
The blood brain barrier is a dangerous bridge to cross. It is wise to only do so out of shear necessity.

>>18829202
>low to subactive doses
>a quarter of psicubes

Are you talking about a quarter O?
If so, I consider the two above statements to be contradictory, but of course I know it's all about tolerance and whatnot.

>>18829205
>so is the Operation of Abramelin still considered the standard?
Um, sorta?
Abramelin is the base model that most Westerners use. You'll notice the Bornless/Headless one uses much the same structure.
But the key to remember here is that everyone's gonna have their OWN ritual for contact.
Everything else is just an example for you to cannibalize.

https://youtu.be/1zNG63rf9LQ

>>18829213
Yeah a quarter ounce.
My point is that microdosing's great for ritual but much beyond that is going to be difficult to control unless you're a seasoned pro.

>>18829207
>tfw you rend the veil of naphesh

>>18829218
Ok, makes sense. I'm just trying to figure out how to conform Bornless with the methods/timelines of Abramelin. I've heard it can take from 6-9 months, which I know varies from person to person. I mean, I feel I'm becoming fairly proficient with the Bornless Rite, I'm just not sure how/when to use it as part of the larger operation. Are there any materials that would help me with this? Or personal suggestions? Thank you.

What do you think of occult connections to the zodiac killer?

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>>18829249
>I'm just not sure how/when to use it as part of the larger operation
A good bridge to fill the gap between the two would be DBoE, particularly the Rite of Tan, the Peacock Feathered Angel, and the Four Watchers, PARTICULARLY since they deal with the same classes of entity (Abramelin has you binding the Kings of Hell, where DBoE uses the Agrippan Infernal Principalities.

This illustration may help.

>>18829261
Depends... What do you think of the Mothman prophecies?

>>18829267
Depends what do you think of the Finder's Group?

>>18829262
Thank you, kind sir! Damn, who ever thought I'd be able to get valid advice about the HGA operation, based on personal experience, on 4chan!?!?

>>18829268
Depends, what do you think of the wikileaks CIA docs?

>>18829262
The Fallen Angels seem like every other one is a king or a Prince?

>>18829271
I'm reluctant to talk about my own experiences for a number of reasons, you just gotta figure out how to ask the right questions for me to give advice.

You managed to ask the right question(s).

The HGA is a broad phenomenon. It's probably composed of multiple parts...the Vision (Adonai ha Aretz), the Voice (Augoeides) and their union in the interceding Angel. This is why it can manifest as a purely psychological phenomena in some students and a very real experience of Face for others.

>>18829274
Depends what do you think of the Stratfor/Palantir/Themis/Cubic/Endgame/HBGary/BAHamilton dox?

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>>18829285
>Depends what do you think of the Stratfor/Palantir/Themis/Cubic/Endgame/HBGary/BAHamilton dox?

>>18829285
How many gigs/megs is your library now? I'm thinking of buying a flash drive to download the whole thing, as I don't currently have a functional computer of my own.

>>18829355
Like 43 gb.

>>18829360
Ok cool. Thanks! Any suggestions or things I need to know before getting into DBoE?

>>18829365
https://youtu.be/6Bl2mddugjA?list=PL-lQgJ3eJ1HtevqQJ_kchzdlHbqmTPlhO&t=398

My reading lists:
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18773249/#18778511

>>18829262
>This illustration

I reversed image searched to find Robert Fludd.
Which book did you find it in, if you don't mind? I'd like to try to find a bigger picture.

>>18829384
Fuck I don't even know it's from a grimorie blog explaining Agrippa's use of the four watchers.

>>18829398
I got,

>Fortress Of Health Protected By The Angels From Robert Fludd Medicina Catholica

I'll try to find it eventually, thank-you tho.

Ape can you describe any experiences exploring the Athyers?

Is it basically the Astral Plane?

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>>18829218
>>tfw you rend the veil of naphesh
TFW amaroo aam kee-aug an aam kee-ah.

So, divinely comfy it almost, hurts.

>>18829218
Never heard of a veil of naphesh. Below yesod?

>>18829202
when you wrote mammals here and drug experience isn't drug experience , you meant humans and religious experience?

>>18829424
Ding

>>18829714
Not ding.

>>18829713
No, I meant mammals (evidence of DMT in the in-vivo brain is very very tenuous and beyond circumstantial. I BUY it, but there's no EVIDENCE of it), but did mean:
>religious experience is not drug experience but they overlap.

>>18829781
>DMT in the in-vivo brain is very very tenuous and beyond circumstantial
thanks for clarifying, i took you to mean we had already found it in mice

>>18829800
We have.
But this means jack and shit to humans unless we start to find it in other mammals as well.

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>>18828424
Consider the love triangle of Hephaestus, Aphrodite, and Ares. Hephaestus is the smith of the gods, and he is wedded to the beautiful Aphrodite, but we all know Hephaestus isn't the only one pounding that anvil. Aphrodite has mothered many children by the war-god Ares; note that the sigil also resembles the spear of Ares prodding at the mirror of Aphrodite; an added layer of irony is that the spear of Ares was born on the anvil of Hephaestus, reflecting a reality that the blacksmith is never as greatly respected as the swordsman. In totality, it represents the creative forces of life and death facilitated by the labors of a supreme cuck.

As for practical applications, I leave that as an exercise for the reader.

>>18829811
Forgive me, I'm the anon who spurred the Eastern autism debate. Could you give me a brief synopsis of tantra?

>>18828481
...did you make a cosmic Cuck sigil? I could see this being useful in very specific interpersonal situations

>>18830394
>>18830016
I meant you

http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/ess_icewar.html

Thoughts on the Ice War? Why isn't this talked about more in occult circles?

>>18830452
It's old news and the climactic showdown was staying up till last call

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>>18830394
Pretty much, yeah.

Is there anyone here working with Greer's Celtic Golden Dawn? Opinions?

>>18830747
Well let's see it then. Got people to meme on

So is there any news regarding the curse of Thoth? Did it work?

>>18831402
That's some shitty quality porn if I've ever seen any.

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>>18831409
i'm helping

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>>18826260
>I am Understanding

Anybody has Apophis by Michael Kelly?

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Is it okay if I ask about sigils here? A friend of mine saw this sigil while looking at the moon. Sigil I say, because that's what I think this is. Anyone familiar with this?

>>18821780
I'm curious how /omg/, and Ape in particular I guess, feels about Miguel Serrano. I've read a few of his works now, and was highly impressed with Nos: Book of the Resurrection for its synthesis of many occult schools of thought I am interested in - Gnosticism, Jungian thought, etc.

Has anyone developed any sort of practice based on Serrano's writings? I know the 55 Club (who is in it, anyway?) has some books that discuss practice, but I'm not sure how far I want to delve into it.

Holy shit that Mega's huge, thanks Ape!

I'm just wondering how legal all the documents are, I heard some books contain some illegal material in terms of rituals.

>>18831179
See: >>18824821

>>18831770
I do.

>>18831887
So tell me about it, how good material is it?

>>18831778
it looks like an autistic attempt at the golden rectangle.

>>18831914
Do tell me more about this 'golden rectangle'

>>18831909
I don't know, I just downloaded it because I heard someone else wanted it.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/vqy7gg

>>18831941
Oh, ok, I'll have a look, thanks.

>>18831840
Unless you live in Saudi Arabia, you should be fine.

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>>18831927
How do you not know what a golden rectangle is? o_O

>>18831956
I just heard that OTO and such do child sacrifice and I dont want files on my computer where such is discussed.

>>18831988
I am but still a learner. I do not know of it because I have never stumbled upon it nor have I ever heard of it before. Please do tell me more.

>>18831989
If I remember right, either them or Crowley uses child sacrifice as a metaphor for sacrificing semen, so its not literal. The order of nine angles is the only group I can think of that advocates literal human sacrifice, so avoid them if you aren't into that.

>>18831989
>implying it's illegal to talk about ritual sacrifice
Dude, Crowley chose the metaphor of human ritual sacrifice BECAUSE it was MORE legal to talk about than sex magick.

Jesus Christ, people, it's not like I'm passing around copies of Poor Man's James Bond.

Does anyone have A Cornish Book of Ways by Gemma Gary?
Or Taking Up the Runes by Diana Paxson?
Or Hedge Witch by Rae Beth?

>>18832121
Book of Black magic pg170

"Take your kid and cut his throat"

WTF?

>>18832198
No.
No.
And no.

I wish on the first tho.

>>18832200
>Book of Black magic
What chapter?
My 170 has basic wand construction.

>>18832210
Initial rites and ceremonies.
pg141 on the books own pages, 170 on pdf

>>18832213
Kid=juvenile goat.
See also, M:TP on the Bloody Sacrifice and Matters Cognate.

>>18832200
A kid is a young goat.

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I have spent the last month reading daily stuff about the occult, starting from a complete newbie from sigils and liber to goetic demons to egyptians whatnot.

I don't know what to believe anymore. Which one of these deities exist?

If some of them exist, why not others and why them?

If none of them exist, why does every culture have own invocations and grimoires?

I don't know what to believe anymore. Raised as Christian it seems that even christianity is a branch of occultism.
I'm lost.
Fucking help!

>>18832235
Read about Neoplatonism, its a pretty good framework to explain this stuff and is the one the church uses, and bless you

>>18832235
>Raised as Christian
I'm sorry.

>>18832235
Crucify a frog, nigga

>>18832255
I know. Now I have to deal with the fears given to me alone for no other reason than pure luck of being born into such family.

>>18832242
Thanks, I will check it out. Hope it solves something.

>>18832255
Don't be. A lot of us wish we could have had that upbringing.

>>18832235
Most deities are symbolic representations of different kinds of energy. Ranking deities by a strict binary of "exists" vs. "doesn't exist" is oversimplifying it.

>>18832346
Yes, many of us wish we could have been raised with a sense of shame toward natural bodily functions, and guilt every time we masturbate or do something that brings pleasure... If you say so, Princess ;-)

>>18829703
Google is your friend!

>>18830452
Because it's obvious that none of it actually happened, and it's just some Harry Potter wish-fulfillment.

>so I put on my robe and wizard hat
>grabbed my magick dagger and oak wand given to me by my girlfriend that I totally have, I'm not gay guys honest
>and then I had a showdown with the Ice Lord in his castle in Austria
>and then I went back to my five star hotel and had ALL the sex. All of it.
>btw did I mention that I'm straight?

Phil Hine is full of shit.

>>18832421
psst, Stokastikos is a pen-name of Peter Carroll, not Phil Hine

>>18832421

What the flying fuck does homosexuality have anything to do with the actual claims being made? Just your general homophobia? Or is it relevant in some way that I'm not seeing?

>>18832438
There sure is a lot of bragging how they supposedly created some super-duper advanced order, dude, way ahead of everybody else, man. That's pretty indicative of either a charlatan or someone deceiving themselves, in my experience.

>>18832352
Exactly, shit gave me so much sexual anxiety growing up I still have to deal with it. I would rather go to hell than have anything to do with such system that installed shame for natural desires.

>>18832439
>LOL he talks about having sex with women a lot, that means he's gay :D
I think that's what our anonymous friend is getting at.

I've never met an occultist who wasn't gay or bi, anyway, and I don't see why it's really an issue.

I will say the sex stuff in the story is kind of dubious, though. Men having sex with lesbians is something that happens far more frequently in spy novels than in real life, after all.

>>18832455
>There sure is a lot of bragging how they supposedly created some super-duper advanced order, dude, way ahead of everybody else, man.
>supposedly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminates_of_Thanateros

Dumbass...

>>18824970

Weor is a fucking idiot.

>>18832463
I'm familiar with IoT, sweetheart. I don't think they're anywhere near what that dude in the article makes them out to be. "Oh, we make everybody else look backwards and archaic, we be so cool."

Generally, I wouldn't expect someone who's so above and beyond everybody else to feel the need to brag so much

>>18832580
Hell, William S. Burroughs was a member, and he was cool as hell. I don't have anything against them, I'm just opposed to all the aggrandizement in the article.

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>>18832580
>sweetheart

Mansplainers RAUS!

>>18832623
I do hope you're not being serious.

>>18832255
>I'm sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ypUz1WYens

>>18832346
>Don't be. A lot of us wish we could have had that upbringing.

Sure, if you'd like your childhood to be fucked up. More like this:

>>18832352

At least its easier to discern religious bullshit and brainwashing, though. It helped me grow, but it's not worth the tremendous bullshit.

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>>18832463

Check your ego. Trying to tear people down to make yourself feel superior isn't helping you or anyone else to achieve a higher state of being.

>>18831770

Kelly is the premiere author on the modern LHP, in my opinion at least. His writings make it obvious that his mastership is authentic. All his books are well worth having. Even his recent memoirs are worth getting (even if you have little interest in his life experiences) if for no other reason than fully one third of the book is articles and essays he wrote for various orders within the Temple of Set during his time there.

>>18832198
>Taking Up the Runes by Diana Paxson?

Yup.

>>18832459
>I've never met an occultist who wasn't gay or bi

I'll agree that it's not really an issue... but WUT?

>>18832421

It was Pete Carroll, not Phil Hine. I'm sure your opinion is of the same caliber as your reading comprehension.

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>>18832627
>>18832352
Well there's also the sense of community a church provides, which is something I missed out on as a kid. I was always witchy-leaning, but there are no covens in my small southern town (well there is one, but it's no grils allowed).

>>18832629
Sorry.

>>18832626
Yeah, just memeing.

>>18832647
I think you made people salty because depending on where you live you're much more likely to be forced to go to a church where the theology is hypercapitalist and the community cares more about conformity than "love." A sense of wholesome community is nice but it isn't wholesome if your preacher is telling your parents to electrocute the gay away.

>>18832782
That's true, and I can totally understand that, and sorry if it seemed like I was romanticizing the experience. I guess it's just one of those "grass is always greener" things.

Campbells presents

The Ape of Broth

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>>18832782
>Mom and dad made me go church, i am being oppressed!
>I have to do stuff to get things, down with capitalism.

There are many people in this world that would literally kill, in order to be able to live in a place, where these things are considered, actual problems.

>>18832845
>grass is always greener
Yeah I understand that impulse. The ideal of having a supportive spiritual community is a powerful and beautiful ideal. Sometimes I think occultists are too reactionary against Yeshua (e.g. Crowley dismissing him as an evil sorcerer) but spend enough time talking to occultists and you'll find some people who have had truly horrific experiences as a result of their church. I have no issues with Christ personally but his formula just isn't working for me anymore

>>18832896
There are also many people in this world who have actually killed themselves because they have been victims of rape at the hands of priests, including in the third world countries where you think people have "actual problems"

I was also not criticizing capitalism as such but the hyper materialistic prosperity gospel which is such a blasphemy against the direct words of Jesus Christ that the fact it is merely spoken and supported in giant mega churches all over the world is proof that Christianity is effectively a dead religion.

>>18832900
Well, depending on which gospel, you are right. In The Qabalah of Aleister Crowley, for instance, he discusses the discrepancies between the Jesus of John and the Jesus of Matthew (I think those are the ones, I don't have my book to double check) All in all, though, Jesus comes off as quite a zealot. Maybe not in the same ways as Mohammed could be considered a zealot, but excessive zeal most certainly plays a part in most of the stories of Jesus. Also, Crowley did not reject IHShVH as both a concept and a formula, just the actions of Jesus of the Bible in particular.

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>>18832933
>"actual problems"
Yes but, those are but a few of the nearly countless atrocities present in this world.

Attempting to shame people for not empathizing with your pet issues, in world filled with countless injustices, illustrates the point quite clearly.

>Church, Jesus, materialism.

What in Gods name gave you the idea I was a Christian?

>>18833014
So if we live in a world where there are countless atrocities why did you use a cheap silencing tactic to derail someone talking about one in particular? Are you sure you aren't Christian because your jimmies are clearly pretty rustled

>>18832979
I fucks with zealot Jesus when he's chasing Pharasees around with whips. There's a fun story you don't hear about on ABC family

Which occult concept was the most difficult to grasp or deal with as a practioner? Or initiate?

The Gape of Ass

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>>18833064
>So if we live in a world where there are countless atrocities why did you use a cheap silencing tactic to derail someone talking about one in particular?

I was merely attempting to put things in perspective in order to stem a political diatribe.

I do believe the things you mentioned are reprehensible to say the least. So put away your virtue signals, brave social justice warrior. I am not your target...

>Are you sure you aren't Christian because your jimmies are clearly pretty rustled

Yes, coming from a less than favorable background will make people act out from time to time. Sorry if I have offended you.

I have to ask, why do you automatically equate my reaction with being a Christian?

https://youtu.be/A7KoymrDiUI?list=PLnQhhKxnFnD2dadHSDYozZiU2vcf5b7KY

>2017
>still talking about Christism like it's relevant in any capacity to your life

>>18833243
Fuck your perspective cunt

>>18833250
see
>>18833249

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Why hasn't the left produced any interesting occultic material in several decades?

Yet people in this thread attacking Christians when the atheistic left have declared war on Magick, Occultism and Spirituality declaring it Post-Modern.

Quick question for anyone familiar with the procedure: For the Bornless Rite, are you supposed to connect the pentagrams to one another as you go around the room? Thanks in advance.

>>18833270
>the atheist left
>everything I like is right and dislike is left
You're deluding yourself hard

>>18833074
No, but i don't watch ABC family for ANYthing, especially not for my theology. It's amazing how much one can learn just by reading the source materials, instead of taking someone's word for it.

>>18833270
>Why hasn't the left produced any interesting occultic material in several decades?
I mean, Jake "I wear ladies' clothing" Stratton-Kent is firsthand responsible for the renaissance of grimoire work via Geosophia, Encyclopedia Goetica, his edition of and erudite comments on Grimorium Verum including reconstructions of our historical gaps not to mention one of the only explications of Pyramidos ever published while triggering a renewed interest in African Syncretic Religion.

But yes, the left is non productive and killing occultism.

>>18833278
>connect the pentagrams to one another as you go around the room
What do you mean?

Generally you want to 'carry' the line with your wand from one quarter to the next.

https://youtu.be/VbXPD-Gmz5U

>>18833290
>'carry the line'

This is exactly what I meant. Thank you!

>>18833279
>Claims somebody else is deluding themselves right after claiming Left-wing ideology isn't aligned with atheism
Good post!

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>>18833259
Wisdom and good taste, are things I have come to expect from you.

Seldom am I left feeling let down.

>>18833326
Now that's cute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxL8yyr60S4

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>>18833290
>Google Stratton-Kent
>First link is a content agitator wordpress blog
>24 ratings on Goodreads
>2 reviews on Amazon
Are you just trying to out obscure me or something?

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>>18833333
>8833333
wew lad

>>18833336
Yes.
Those stats may suck at a commercial level but Scarlet Imprint, et al., wouldn't toss him yearly book deals if he didn't sell head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF2g-E7Q7f8

So I figured out how the Jews made male and female golems, but how would one go about making a transgender/intersex golem?

Fucking shitlord gender essentialists

>>18833340
Is it acceptable to create/use a temporary, rough-hewn wand while I'm in the process of making a new one? Or should I just set down my crackpipe and slowly back away?

>>18833351
You're fine but you may wanna steer clear of the crackpipe for about an hour and a half before any rites.

>>18833347
In all seriousness though what would happen if you made a golem with the hermaphrodidic formula AMShShM

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>>18833298
Is the right open to religious belief outside of Christianity?

To all non-Christians, the point you are making tends to be somewhat moot...

Can someone please help me end the furry epidemic???

>>18833361
Hehehe thanks. I'll stick strictly to lines from here on out!

>>18833383
Isn't the quote in (pic related) a mis-attribution?>>18833376

>>18833404
Oops >>18833376 wasn't supposed to be in post above post. But to >>>>18833376 what do you think would happen? Have you not answered your own question?

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>>18833340
Also I don't know where you got the impression that I was implying the left is non-productive considering I posted a far-left Post-Marxist group.

But right now the Right are producing much better exploratory material and results.

>>18833383
Yes, GRECE.

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>>18833419
Yeah, "explanations and results".

>>18833404
>Isn't the quote in (pic related) a mis-attribution?

I am not certain.

The quote was reminiscent of aspects in my own faith, so I grabbed it.

>>18833425
Become a Living Meme!

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>>18833433
>become a living shitpost

>>18833391
>furry epidemic
That already ended. Furries peaked at 2010s... The recent degeneracy is an otherkin, vegan, asexual, pansexual, overweight, head-mated, rockabilly, trap who's into thrift stores and bowling.

>>18833436
I wanted to ask you about a book I found in your library about shamanic invocations.

>>18833436
I didn't consider that a shitpost, I considered it a thoughtful exegesis on everything EA Koetting

>>18833443
Like?

>>18833450
I was trying to elaborate on the '>become a living' bit. I've used "living shitpost" a few times to describe Koetting's whole schitck.

>>18833456
Ah I see. *whooosshhh*

>>18833383
This depends on what you consider "right wing" for example consider Alexander Durgin doing big things:

https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/28/the-mystic-shaping-russias-future-and-ending-the-modern-era/

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>>18833456
Most striking is the belief that Maya temples were built by a race of dwarfs in
complete (miana) darkness. The rulers who lived on top of these mountainous structures
received their nourishment in the form of blood through an animated hollow rope that
hung suspended in the sky. For some unknown reason, the blood duct was later cut and
the artery disappeared forever (Tozzer 1907:153; Furst, in J. Wilbert 1993:129; cf.
Looper and Guernsey-Kappelman 2000).

I've reading this and it's surprisingly complete and most of the stuff isn't described anywhere else including some rituals that some of authors mention but I never saw the basis for them and I always discarded them as new age inventions.

>>18833425
>>18833340
Every time you celebrate repeating digits your only making him stronger.

>>18833522
Kek, still (citation needed)

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Aww, it's babby's first invultation.

>>18833528
Haha there's an empty skull shaped vodka bottle on that altar

>>18833500
>Dark Shaman practices in a state of decent stability since 1600
>"New Age Inventions"

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>>18833527
Ape creates these threads to engage in Occult Warfare, he manipulates people into Molochism.

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>>18833540
Like yours looks any better. Post your conjure bag fggt.

>>18833584
Again (citation needed)

>>18833585
Jeez no need to get so personal, but I don't keep my stuff in a bag, either. I have most of the material memorized beforehand, and my implements are stored somewhere safe. Hell, I didn't even know that was a pic of your own altar! Maybe if you're so sensitive, don't go around posting goofy shit.

>>18833587
I manipulate people into practicing Molochism.
~t. Ape of Th0tH

>Hail unto Thee, Azhdeha, whom art the Starry Dragon of the Ancient Abyss and the Power beyond all that is Named.

>>18833596
>not having a conjure bag for impromptu summoning shenanigans
It's like you don't even do fucked up shit at every opportunity

>>18833601
Where's the connection between the Draconian gnosis and moloch or Baal-Hammon?

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>>18833613
You need to read Aryeh Kaplan's translation of Sefer Yetzirah, Chapter 6 on the nature of Teli and Galgal.

Mt. Hermon is where the angels of Shemyaza and Azazel's sedition first touched their Splendid feet upon Earth.

>>18833625
I'm never gonna stop loving that pic.

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>>18833656
>"Dad, they keep breaking when I play with them."

>>18833666
>666
>And thus, Shemyaza embraced Qayin, who trembled in fear, saying:
>"Blessed is the ground for thy sake. In skill and cunning thou shalt eat of it all the days of thy life. Fruits and medicines shalt it bring for for thee, and thou shalt eat of the herb of the field. And in the joy of thy face shalt thou eat bread, until thou art married unto the ground, for Love thou art, and unto Love thou shalt return."
~The Green Gospel of First Rootworker, delivered unto Frater 161 by the hand of Az'ra'il, the Death's Headed Angel.

>>18833610
I know, I don't know what's wrong with me! Something to do with a preference to evoke when the stars and planets are right.

Hey gute nacht, y'all.

>>18833690
Random question Ape,
If you died tomorrow do you feel like you have the spiritual wherewithal to know how to guide yourself though the process of death and out of the veil of illusion? I don't mean this in a threatening way I'm just curious

>>18833737
>>18833737
>I don't mean this in a threatening way

how to convince myself that any "results" with magick aren't just confirmation bias or regression to the mean???

>>18833758
Hey man, a lotta people like to do a lot of posturing in these threads. It's kind of like prison

Is it absolutely necessary to work with patron/guardian spirit or something?

>>18833818
Nope but it's very helpful and provides needed protection.