Is anyone else really conscious? It's pretty hard to tell,

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>>18801931
the fuck??

>>18801914
You're not even close to being conscious. I'm not conscious. By your definition and logic, a plant is also conscious, because it knows what to do and what it's doing. As in photosynthesis and the like. You making this thread is similar to the plant using its roots to nourish itself.
Consciousness is much much deeper than that.

that's odd, I don't remember making this thread but I have 3 (You's)

>>18801931
>>18801938
>>18801952


so I must be the OP? I must've closed my eyes for a couple of seconds at most.

Maybe humans are just predictable ?

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>>18801914
Conscious doesn't mean someone can see anything outside of their own sphere of existence. Conscious doesn't always mean actually sentient. And intelligent is a rarity. Real thought outside of ego is more unlikely than intelligence.

>>18801914
No, you're just retarded.

he knows

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Define 'auto-pilot mode' your movements are as predictable as the next persons

I suggest watching 'Westworld'

There are endless possibilities for the true 'origin' of all reality - a possible infinite system with a void in which this reality resides

A mirage
An Illusion

Open up phone read this. My... the npcs sure are angsty about their existence today. Nice try assholes. I know im the only real one.

>>18801970
Now we have people who don't feel. It seems to be all of «THIS» causing it. Halcyon on and on. End of days

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Opana is the opiate of the masses.

>>18801991
Who the hell is that in the back? Boy I'm spooked

>>18802029
it's marina abramovic (abramovic autocorrects to abracadabra, nice try Google), the 1000 year old witch.

It's hard to answer when there's no solid defitintion for conciousness. Sure, we all know what it is, but how can we define it? A google search dictionary gives "aware of and responding to one's surroundings; awake." So. When you're awake.

Conciousness is more than being awake. Is someone with Alzemers who doesn't know where they are, concious? Is someone in a co ma concious?

>>18802065
Wow I thought that was her, holy shit

>>18802188
This is a pretty good picture. If you look to find something within your perspective you will probably find exactly that. Then that reinforces your belief and so on. Most people just create a perspective on themselves that they can survive with psychologically, at least they try to.

I think most people are really just victim of the thought forms in our collective concsiousness. Most people assume that everyone is selfish and empty and that they are all just consumermist trash. The real perpetrators are rare because most people would beat themselves up if they were too look like what they learned to despise.

However if you have joy within you you will see joy without you. If you begin questioning what you see as dark you can see the light within the darkness, It's really just a question whether you are willing to do that or not. There is light within everything really but most people prefer to put that light into shells and mock these shells so that they can grasp some joy in doing that.

You could say that the structure in wich most people organize their reality construct holds them back from seeing light within them and without them, they never even begin to understand that if they were to change within their reality would change too. Most people are really just victim of their enviroment.

You could say that reality is just "intellegent energy" it can take any form you want it to be, but if you already chose to be in a position that doesn't allow you to do that then you can't. And within the other is not only intellegent energy but also the same creators as within you. God is perspective you could say, because by being able to percieve you are all part of the same dream.

Why do other feel like they are not then? Because most people seperate themselves so much from others and have no desire to try something else, because of fear of being hurt.

>>18801914
Every time i get high and walk around i feel as everyone around me is part of a simulation. Like people seems so "generic" (as a movie type generic) and i feel the only one alive people for some reason. It scares the fuck out of me for sure. But i ignore it.

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>>18801914
I feel the opposite. I feel everyone I know has a lot more energy and intelligence than me. Now, I'm no idiot, far from it, but I feel almost as if I'm nothing more than an AI in a video game and the real people who are playing the game interact with me but only use me as assistance on their video game missions or to vent their personal frustrations at me (the whole video game thing is a metaphor, btw). Some of these real people I believe have the capacity to hack into my brain and connect with other real people I have interacted with before. What if I'm really not a true conscious like other people I know? I don't know if I could allow myself to live any longer if I were to actually find this out as fact. Anybody else feel the same as me?

Cogito ergo sum

>>18803713
yeh. i cant break the fear and anxiety that holds me back from the powers of my mind, as long as those are my limiters, ill never know true enlightenment

>>18803713
dont underestimate yourself though

>>18801914
I am anon, but I know you can't know that, and you should know that I can't know that you are.
I have thought about this very subject many times.
The conclusion that I have come to is that very few people are truly conscious, though it is nearly impossible to tell who is who, and as such the conclusion is fairly meaningless.
I can only hope that the ones I love are as I am, and the same goes for you.

Does it matter?

Do you think that if you start believing people are bots that the creators will somehow go "oh alright he knows now lets let him go"??

Nothing would change except your perception of reality, things would be just as they already are.

Don't sweat it.

>>18805192
Exactly what a powerless reality attempting to keep the players subdued would prescribe as a cure-all.

Ignorance is Strength, right?

>>18801914
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a solid 2,000 or 3,000 of us who are conscious, and almost every famous figure in history was one of these beings. which means if you are indeed looking out your eyes and ears et cetera, you're in store for a great life.

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>>18805178
Jesus, you /x/ anons tire me out, you're no more conscious than anyone else for the most part

Why do you feel your thoughts are more special, conscious or unique than the majorities ?

itt:lookguysthisiswhyimspecial

>>18801914
That's called the problem of other minds, it's an interesting thing to ponder but if you're seriously freaked out/preoccupied by it then you might be schizo

Because I can feel the ghost in my machine, and by all probability, you cannot.
I find it amusing how naysayers try and say how those who are truly special want to be special.
This is not true.
To be exceptional is to be almost entirely alone, which the truly conscious fear most of all.
I wish for a world where every individual has the same conscious ability as me, can see what I see as clearly as I do and act their own actions as I can, but this world does not, as to my knowledge, currently exist.

>>18805239
meant
>>18805229

>>18805239
'Probability' would point to the strong likelihood of none of us experiencing life as a human. But here we are.

I find it amusing not because you're not special, but because you think you're 'more' special than the majority. Obviously this is a subjective opinion but you seem pretty lost.

What are you trying to insinuate ?

Seems like you are grasping at imaginary straws there' pal

What's more special about you, than me ? For example.

Please keep in mind you literally know nothing about me, what do you presume though ?

>>18805255
Do you perceive the thing that hears your thoughts, that sees your sight, hears what you hear?
I doubt that you do, and if you say that you do I presume it would be solely an attempt to win the argument, as when I present this question to the vast majority of individuals separate from confrontation, they insist they do not.

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>>18805265
Are you going to answer the question, or go off on a schizo induced tangent ?

>>18805313
The answer was in the post I just made. Presuming that you can hold yourself back from your Ad Hominem attacks, I'll continue humoring you.,
The difference is that I can perceive that which experiences my reality, and you most probably cannot(because it is not there). The vast majority of individuals state that they cannot when the question is presented to them in all manner of ways. This is not consistent with IQ or any other measure of intellect in my experience.

So, do you experience the soul that sees through your eyes, or not?

>>18805324
I don't disagree but you clearly do want to be special. "I feel this and you don't, but you'll lie about it" is a great way to draw distinctions. I get your point of most people having a disconnect between the observer and being manifested, but what you've written yells special snowflake syndrome

>>18805324
Language is just a description of words, which humans have created. Please attempt to remember such a thing

I'm going to leave you with your special feeling my mane

You've created a string of words, to describe your unique perception of the world

Enjoy your Illusion of a delusion

>>18805344
Do you disagree that someone in a confrontation scenario has a direct imperative to disprove the other? This is implicit in all human scenarios. I did not say you did not have one, I said you most probably do not, and if you insist that you do, this is in all probability due to the previously stated effect.
Additionally, I don't particularly want to be special whatsoever, my greatest fear is loneliness, and, without the one person that I can genuinely consider my equal in this earth, I would be entirely alone when compared to everyone I have ever met. I've experienced that before, and it is horrific.

>>18805206
What purpose does keeping people subdued in a fake reality serve me?

Also, if you were in a simulation, you'd be like a Sims player, which you cant really take out of the game.

>>18805360
How could anyone insist they do, when the Soul itself is a term made by Human's and the eye is something which is explained by Darwinism

There are many different ways to interpret your statement, but there's no point. You're clearly a little lost, nothing wrong with that. Do some science

>>18805363
Your purpose would not be yours, that is the point.
The body is the sims character, the observer is something else entirely.
>>18805366
And, on cue, you entirely miss the point as expected.
The eye has nothing to do with that which experiences your sensation.
The soul cannot be reduced to mechanistic explanation.
If we were mechanistic we would simply be robots that take in stimulation and act directly, there would not be, and cannot be, any genuine "experience".
Nothing can exist to see the sights you see, or hear what you hear, it is impossible from any mechanistic basis.
There would be nothing but an input and a read out, identical in functionality to a computer.
And judging by your reaction, there evidently is not one for you(which I both empathize with, and at the same time covet). But there is one for me.

>>18805381
I didn't claim the eye did
I didn't claim a soul could be ?

You're literally arguing with yourself, I'm out buddy, enjoy thinking your really alone on the journey.

You're not though

>>18805388
Then for what reason did you purposelessly bring up the origin of the eye?
I am not a young earth christian that believes natural selection does not exist and I have in no way implied that I was.
It seems to me you are being disingenuous and manipulative specifically to find a reason to ignore my statements.

>>18805393
Your whole reason for being 'muh special snowflake'

Was something about a soul and some eyes my mane, feel free to re explain why you're more special. Still not getting it

>>18805399
I don't expect you to get it, and that's fine, and you shouldn't feel ashamed for it.
There are others who have already posted in this thread that do understand it, and those are my brothers in this world.
Take care.

>>18805407
/X/ everyone

FUCKING TRASH

>>18805422
I suppose I thought too highly of you, in which case I'll amend my previous send off.
Go fuck yourself, you soulless zombie.

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>>18805427
hue hue hue your magic soul eyes gonna get me ?

>>18801914
>ITT the all/simulation has another person say my thoughts to make me believe things are real

>>18805452
I know right, this is getting meta as fuck.

I don't know about anyone else but I am very sure I don't exist

I'm conscious right now but that doesn't mean I'm real

I am fully real.

But if you really think you're the only one who is conscious, try out the suicide theory, you know like quantum immortality type of experimentation.

Wanna test if your reality is the only one that exists? Go jump off of a very tall building or shoot you fucking brains out. If it doesn't work - you were right!

>>18805239
I'm pretty damn concsious and entirely alone and my life is awesome, now what?

>>18805239
/x/ really brings out the pretentious teenagers

>>18805499
Funny calling me pretentious when the one suffering from the Dunning–Kruger effect is you.
>>18805497
I really doubt your life is very good with no one to be your companion or equal. If you search yourself you'll most certainly see this is just a convenient denial of a deeper need.

>>18805587
hey, I'm just glad I stray from unpleasant morons like you in real life

keep sharing your insanity in your roleplaying safe space forum though

>>18801914
Consciousness seems to be a process that serves all the instances of humans in existence.
That means you are actually me, but you are not supposed to know. It is a distributed system.

>>18801914
You sound like me right before I enter psychosis, only more pretentious. Well, good luck with that OP.

>>18805601
It seems like you're the one who wants the safe space, as you are seemingly unable to comprehend or argue against my arguments.

>>18805627
if you believe that the garbage you spew can be considered anything close to an argument then you are truly lost

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The amount of airborne shit thrown by simple monkeys who have not yet realized their own potential never ceases to amaze me.

Never change /x/.
You will always remind me of a low point in life to which I do not wish to return alife.

To the rest of you who still have atleast a single shred of sanity left, keep it and run.
Make something new. Something of value.

Something that helps mutual growth instead of being dragged down again and again by people who are coming up with too much experience in being nothing but counterproductive to a healthy overall growth of being.

>>18805651
Funny that the one spewing venom accuses others of spitting bile.

>>18805654
Thanks for the advice brother, I've spent too long rolling in the mud with pigs today, time to go back to work.

>>18805654
Glad to know someone thinks at least somewhat similar to me (I'm from the other board)

>>18801914
Empty people. Puppet people. Cardboard cutouts. Drones. Organic Portals. Background characters. Why do these terms even exist? Because out of necessity they had to be invented by those who independently noticed the same puzzling phenomenon, one for which there is no official name: some people seem to be missing something very important inside. While they are not necessarily any less intelligent, successful, or physically healthy as anyone else, they nevertheless show no indication of having any higher components to their consciousness.

Their behavior tends toward being glib, shallow, egotistical, narcissistic, mundane, predatory, and materialistic. Sometimes these traits are camouflaged by a polished social exterior, but anyone with a discerning eye can see through the disguise. They lack individuality, independent thinking, and are strongly biased toward holding a herd mentality. They lack comprehension of anything beyond the material sphere of the five senses, and have no interest in such metaphysical matters except as flashy accessories to boost their social image. They also appear entirely incapable of empathy, soul-searching, and willful self-sacrifice. Nevertheless, in the presence of others they can put on a flashy show of concern, distress, or altruism for purposes of social manipulation; for example, crocodile tears to elicit sympathy, or doing something nice for another solely to guilt trip them later and extort a favor.

Psychically scanning their consciousness reveals something interesting. There is a certain simplicity, flatness, and inertness to their essence, even if their intellects are highly developed. Unlike other people, their conscious energy is more diffuse, dull, impermanent, and amorphous rather than solid, sparkling, crystallized, and concentrated. Put another way, their minds are like sand castles instead of real castles. There is something animalistic and rudimentary piloting their bodies.

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>>18805716
The missing factor in these beings must be something that endows a being with self-awareness, volition, and the capacity to value transcendental ideals. This goes beyond mere physical factors like missing portions of the brain, defective genetics, or a poor upbringing, because the latter are just defects in the hardware and programming of the biological machine, whereas the problem here involves the consciousness operating the machine. What intuitive or clairvoyant perception picks up about their consciousness involves metaphysical factors instead.

What to call this higher component of consciousness absent in some people? Usually it would be called the soul, but that has caused too much confusion in the past. For example, casual readers unfamiliar with the proper definition of “soulless” thought it meant “completely devoid of consciousness” when in reality it meant “devoid of individualized consciousness.” No, they do have some kind of soul energy by virtue of being alive, but the soul is not imbued with a higher spark of true sentience and self-awareness.

Therefore I will call this higher spark “spirit” and define it as follows: spirit is the core of individualized consciousness, that permanent aspect of one’s being representing the true Self, which accumulates experiences and spiritual wisdom throughout life, survives physical death, and remains intact upon reincarnating to continue growing toward the fulfillment of its potential. It is the divine god-spark, the seat of freewill, the holographic fragment of the Creator residing at the very center of your being, the “I” that is you, the inner conscious observer capable of observing even its own self-observation.

It seems not all humans have spirit. Therefore they have no self-awareness, individuality, wisdom, empathy, creative intelligence, or conscience.

>>18801914
>>18805721
What further confirms this hypothesis is that, as will be discussed below, one may observe a total absence of destiny, synchronicity, symbolic dreams, spiritual lessons, soul growth, and karma in their lives. This is to be expected if they have nothing permanent in them that survives death and reincarnates, because only spirit can gain from such things. Without spirit, they are temporary beings whose awareness forms shortly before birth and dissolves shortly after death. And if so, then for them, spiritual life lessons serve no purpose, karma from past lives does not exist, there is no higher Self acting as chaperone, nor would they have genuine interest in anything that serves a purpose beyond their current mortal existence. Therefore it is to be expected that they be particularly materialistic, worldly, and mundane in their ambitions; observation confirms this as well.

How can we better understand all this? By understanding the various components and how they combine to make the whole of a being, we can grasp the numerous differences and similarities between spirited and spiritless humans.

Aside from spirit, the other components are body and soul. Soul is the nonphysical energetic interface between body and spirit. Occultists divide the soul into the etheric and astral bodies. The aforementioned “empty” people have bodies and souls, but not spirits. In this way it is clear that they have some kind of conscious energy, but not the permanent core that retains continuity through incarnations.

The soul consists of two components, the etheric and astral. The etheric component is a quantum biasing field that keeps the physical body from entropic disintegration. Or to put it more simply, it is life-force energy that keeps the body from decaying. The astral component is more abstract and intangible. It functions as the seat of consciously experienced feelings and passions.

>>18801914
>>18805731
Feelings are not just chemical reactions in the brain, nor are they abstract thoughts in the mind. Rather they are vivid energies residing somewhere in between, and that buffer zone between the completely physical and completely metaphysical is the astral component of the soul.

The body is the biological instrument through which we interact with our physical environment. The body comes with its own hereditary dispositions, biological drives and instincts, and behavioral algorithms stamped into it through social programming. These deterministic influences converge to create an artificial intelligence in a person that, by default, runs the body like an autopilot computer running an airplane.

This artificial intelligence is hereby termed “ego.” Its fundamental purpose is to ensure survival of the body by optimizing its behavior for the surrounding physical and social environment. In other words, external conditioning programs the ego to achieve survival in the environment from which that conditioning originates.

But the ego has no true consciousness of its own. It is just a computer running on neural (and by proxy, etheric) hardware that simulates a living identity. Its main advantage is that, being just a computer, it only has to mechanically calculate and react to situations instead of deeply and consciously reflecting, therefore it can respond much quicker to external situations.

For the spirit, the ego functions as a software device that automates interactions with other humans and provides a mask of identity, programmed from birth, appropriate to the local environment. Somewhat like a player’s avatar in the Sims game, which looks and acts like a person and seems to do its own thing when not directed by the player.

>>18801914
>>18805736
The problem is that the ego is entirely a product of the past, and spirit entirely outside linear time. The first is completely deterministic, the second is completely nondeterministic. The first is an emergent property of matter, the second a permanent condensation of consciousness. The two have impulses that are often diametrically opposed, one pulling toward materiality, the other toward spirituality. Our daily consciousness, also known as the lower self, is a blending of both, namely the portion of spirit that shines through the mask of ego and identifies with it, analogous to a driver so absorbed in the act of driving that for him the car has become an extension of his body.

Now the soul, in residing between body and spirit and mediating between them, is influenced by both. It takes on its organization and function according to impulses from both spirit and the body. For instance, the astral body would respond both to a chemical drug inducing a feeling of euphoria through the body, and the spirit volitionally invoking a lofty feeling of spiritual joy, although the effects on the astral are not identical.

Likewise, the etheric body could have its structure altered by some injury to the physical body, or from some blockage or abnormality in the astral body percolating its influence down to the etheric level. Whatever influences are exerted upon the soul by body and spirit, their effects continue to linger in the soul, like tea continuing to circulate after having been stirred. This is why I said the ego runs on both neural and etheric hardware. Despite originating in the physical, the ego imparts the momentum of its conditioning upon the etheric.

>>18805741
>>18805741
With the preceding in mind, consider what happens when someone has body, ego, and soul, but lacks spirit. First and foremost, their entire makeup would be the result of material influences like genetics and environment. The seat of their apparent intelligence would be the ego. And without the counterweight of spirit, their ego would reign king. Thus, in accordance with the function of ego, such people would be completely dedicated to material and social survival.

Notice that people with spirit who are awake to their spiritual impulses often make willful choices that serve no financial, social, or egotistic gains, that go against the expectations of Darwinian evolutionary principles, and that serve only spiritual ends. Such impulses are absent in spiritless people, thus they are truly optimized for survival in the physical world. Without conscience, empathy, or inner battle between ego and spirit holding them back, they can more quickly and easily succeed in their worldly environments regardless of the cost to others.

To better understand their metaphysical differences, consider what happens to spirited and spiritless people upon physical death.

Spirit and soul nested one inside the other, together leave the physical body. After a while, the etheric component of the soul disintegrates, leaving only spirit nested inside the astral body. The astral body then also disintegrates. The disintegration of etheric and astral bodies, meaning the dissolution or casting away of the soul, is known in Christian Esotericism as the second death. The liberated spirit then advances into the afterlife before reincarnating.

Reincarnation involves the spirit forming around itself a new soul and then slipping into a new physical body. In sequential reincarnations, what talents, predispositions, and imbalances it has acquired from previous lifetimes influences the new incarnation.

>>18801914
>>18805742
Upon physical death their soul evacuates the body, perhaps containing a lingering imprint of the ego, and after some time it disintegrates and is reabsorbed into the lake of energies from which it originally formed. Nothing of their identity survives. For people without spirit, this life is their only one. They form upon entering and dissolve upon leaving. It cannot be otherwise if they lack a core of individualized consciousness.

Thus everything that a spirited person has due to the continuity of his or her incarnations, is missing in the life of a spiritless person. For example, the spiritless would have no need for life lessons or spiritual learning experiences. What would be the purpose if whatever is gained disappears after death? Therefore spiritless people are ones who cannot learn spiritual lessons, who cannot profit spiritually from the trials of life, who cannot pass what is gained onto their successive incarnations. And so they have no concern for lessons of humility, empathy, compassion, understanding, or forgiveness. Instead of changing as people through spiritual maturation in life, they only change in the sense of better adapting to life through conditioning. For instance, whereas a spirited person may see the error of his ways and grow humble, a spiritless person would simply learn to not get caught next time.

Karma is another metaphysical factor absent in the life of spiritless people. There are many misconceptions about karma, so I will first explain my understanding of it, before showing how its absence affects the life of a spiritless person.

Karma (the negative type) is simply a spiritual debt or imbalance acquired upon violating the freewill of oneself or another. Violating your own freewill happens when you make a choice during an ignorant state, like when identifying with the ego and acting upon its impulses, that violates a choice made during a more spiritually sober state.

>>18801914
>>18805748
Upon committing a freewill violation, the higher spirit-associated aspect of consciousness regrets the error and makes a commitment to redress it, even if the lower ego-associated aspect tries to ignore this. The karmic imbalance then attracts experiences that teach a lesson correcting that ignorance, whether in this life or the next. The lesson learned is universal and does not require memory of the original choice that provoked it, just understanding of the lesson. The karmic experience itself is not what is fated, rather the lesson learned, therefore karma can sometimes be mitigated through pre-emptive understanding and forgiveness without necessarily needing to learn it the hard way through experience.

But without spirit, there is no true freewill and no true lessons that can be learned. Therefore the spiritless have no karma and instead live completely under the laws of chance and the law of the jungle. Whereas a spirited individual might be born with karmic handicaps, for the spiritless these handicaps would strictly be a matter of chance or heredity and serve no higher metaphysical purpose. Same with the timing and manner of their death; whereas spirited people may have loosely planned out their life before incarnating, including the way they will die, spiritless people die according to random circumstances without purpose or meaning, unless their death somehow plays an important part in the pre-incarnation script of a spirited individual.

Other missing factors include meaningful symbolic dreams, synchronicities, higher intuitive guidance, and their personal hand of destiny. Spiritless people experience none of these because they neither can nor need to. This should be obvious from understanding the role of spirit, but I will elaborate for the sake of clarity.

>>18805721
itt:edgy snowflakes go wild!

>>18801914
>>18805751
Meaningful dreams primarily serve to alert a person to spiritual imbalances that need to be corrected, but a spiritless person has no need for such messages. They also have nothing higher to send such messages. Without a permanent core of individuality, they have no “Higher Self”, which is the perfected future manifestation of spirit reaching back through time to help out extensions of itself still in the linear past. And without a Higher Self, they have no inner intuitive guidance to provide certain nudges and protection in life. Thus, whereas a spirited person might experience freak synchronicities and bending of the laws of reality to save them from untimely death, a spiritless person lacking such direction and protection would perish according to chance.

There is also a difference between spirited and spiritless in what chakras they have. Chakras are vortical energy centers linking soul with body, and linking spirit and body through the soul. Each center coincides positionally with the major glands of the physical body, and each serves a different behavioral function.

The lower chakras are associated with such behavioral facets as physical instinct, sexual impulses, base emotions, personal power, and intellectual activity. Everyone possesses these. The spiritless, however, have no need for the higher chakras, namely the heart, crown, and third eye chakras because these are the ones that exclusively link to spirit.

The heart chakra, the center of higher emotions like compassion, empathy, spiritual jubilance, is missing in the spiritless because there is no spirit present to associate with these emotions. The crown chakra, through which higher intuitive understanding, originality and creativity, and a connection with objective truth manifests, is likewise missing.

>>18801914
>>18805756
The third eye chakra, located between the brows, is normally used for the perception of phenomena and concepts beyond the material realm, and spiritless people confined to the world of the five senses have no need for it either.

Consequently, another difference between the spirited and spiritless is that the first have all seven chakras while the latter are missing the three higher ones, the heart, crown, and third eye chakras5. This further contributes to the intuitive or clairvoyant perception that spiritless people are flat and inert inside regardless of how animated they are on the outside, because the spectrum of their etheric or auric vibrations are missing certain colors and are therefore of a lower overall resolution.

All the above follows from one simple postulate: that some people lack spirit, and that they therefore also lack the higher chakras. If you deeply contemplate what this entails, you will understand how this postulate explains the full gamut of observations we have concerning so-called “empty” people.

At this point you might be wondering what is the difference between spiritless people, and spirited ones who are spiritually asleep in life or simply immature. After all, both may be worldly in their goals and thoroughly caught up in the illusion of the “Matrix.” Both may not be cognizant of dreams or synchronicities, nor display much empathy. For example, there are negative people who are completely under the influence of their egos and external negative forces, who can commit violent crimes and even mass murder without blinking an eye. Not all of them are spiritless. But all of them are indeed void of the influence of spirit when it comes to engaging in such inhuman behaviors. Some lack spirit, others are asleep to spirit.

>>18805752
Lay off the buzzword mantra, and proceed to share your views/opinions. That anon is doing that.

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>>18801914 (OP)
>>18805759
The difference is that a spirited but infantile/asleep person still has latent spiritual potential. So they still have, even in small amounts, the presence of those spiritual factors and dynamics mentioned above. They may still suffer the consequences of karmic debt brought on by dumb choices, they may still receive symbolic dreams attempting to alert them to spiritual imbalances in life even if they ignore it, they may still experience synchronistic help in shaping their lives against the odds even if they cannot see it.

Spiritless people lack that potential completely. They cannot grow spiritually. This is not a theoretical declaration, but a painful lesson learned from having dealt with too many such persons who never showed any signs of growth or evolution no matter how much help and opportunity for improvement was given to them. At best they adapt, but more out of conditioning and calculation than actual understanding.

There is another important difference. The spirited have lives appropriate to their spiritual needs. So there is a correspondence between their spiritual maturity and type of life. Infant spirits will lead crude lives, because a basic existence is all they need, and anything more would be too much for them to handle or gain from. Meanwhile, the spiritless live whatever life they are driven into by circumstance and their own cunning, which can mean being a beggar, corporate executive, or famous author all the same. Without constraints established by spiritual needs, the spiritless have no spiritual limits or curriculums structuring their lives. And this is why “empty” people are not all just spiritually asleep or infantile, because there exists a class of people who share the same inertness behind their eyes regardless of their type of life, their social standing, their intellectual prowess, and their physical appearance.

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to me social media seems like training wheels to demons masquerading as humans. if you dumb down social interaction to the point where your entire day is:

>cat picture
AWWW
>bad thing everyone hates
IHATEITTOO!
>cat picture
AWWW
>some generic inoffensive speculative thing with a tinge of pop science
WOWILOVEIT!
>a real heart to heart moment about some serious problem
IAMCONCERNED!
>someone pretending to be fullfilled with their life
IMHAPPYYOUREHAPPY!

it's almost like the giant online networks are realising that if people start dropping out they need bots to take over or they will collapse, and in preparation have started training their simulation humans en masse to ensure the transition is unnoticed.

It's just an emotion dump on a daily basis without any reality behind it. There is no desire to advance, progress, enquire or challenge any held belief. It's 24/7 junk food for your brain. Newspapers were to books what television was to newspapers what social media is to television, a downward slide into hell.

Being anonymous is the only way you can keep your sanity, because then content trumps identity.

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The more extreme manifestations of an absence of spirit is known in psychology as psychopathic, sociopathic, or narcissistic personality disorders. Spirited people who fit this condition are misguided and held hostage by their egos, but they can be rehabilitated. Instead of lacking empathy, their empathy is either suppressed or displaced. These are not true psychopaths, but spirited people with personality disorders.

True psychopathy and sociopathy, however, cannot be cured because something is fundamentally flawed at the core of such persons. They lack empathy and remorse altogether, and these qualities cannot be recovered because they were never there to begin with. The incurable nature of psychopathy is an accepted fact in psychology. The cause is believed to be an abnormality in the pain and fear centers of the brain. Even so, without the balancing influence of spirit, such abnormalities would introduce unchecked errors into the programming of the ego, which then runs rampant to the point of coming to the attention of the legal and medical systems. What the medical system can diagnose is only the extreme and sloppy manifestation of a condition that is more widespread throughout the population. Other spiritless people with properly functioning egos are better at keeping their lack of empathy and remorse camouflaged under more refined social programming.

Theories abound about why some people lack a higher component to their consciousness and what purpose they serve in the bigger scheme of things. Since I am not the first to make this observation, I will now briefly discuss what others have said so that you can weigh the available options.

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John Baines writes in his book The Stellar Man that humans, like all animal species, have a collective soul unique to their species. This collective unconscious exerts a de-individualizing influence on humans, nudging them toward mob mentality, herd mentality, and following the crowd. Rupert Sheldrake would call this the human morphogenetic field. People who have not developed their own conscious individuality are mere automatons following the soporific influence of the collective unconscious, as though they were extensions of a hive mind. The goal of esoteric training is to split away from the herd, to develop one’s own volition and thereby become a free being.

Rudolf Steiner voiced similar sentiments. His foundational work, The Philosophy of Freedom addressed this problem. Steiner said that as long as humans obey external authority, their own biological instincts, or the animalistic parts of themselves in common with the rest of humanity, they are not free beings. Freedom comes from choosing based on intuitive understanding of what each option entails and what it means. This act of freewill requires introspection and spiritual acumen to act from a place of true understanding. Steiner acknowledged that not everyone introspects to the degree necessary to make intelligent freewill choices.

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>>18805775
In private discussions, Steiner went even further:

Dr. Steiner: That little girl L.K. in the first grade must have something really very wrong inside. There is not much we can do. Such cases are increasing in which children are born with a human form, but are not really human beings in relation to their highest I; instead, they are filled with beings that do not belong to the human class. Quite a number of people have been born since the nineties without an I, that is, they are not reincarnated, but are human forms filled with a sort of natural demon. There are quite a large number of older people going around who are actually not human beings, but are only natural; they are human beings only in regard to their form. We cannot, however, create a school for demons.

A teacher: How is that possible?

Dr. Steiner: Cosmic error is certainly not impossible. The relationships of individuals coming into earthly existence have long been determined. There are also generations in which individuals have no desire to come into earthly existence and be connected with physicality, or immediately leave at the very beginning. In such cases, other beings that are not quite suited step in. This is something that is now quite common, that human beings go around without an I; they are actually not human beings, but have only a human form. They are beings like nature spirits, which we do not recognize as such because they go around in a human form. They are also quite different from human beings in regard to everything spiritual. They can, for example, never remember such things as sentences; they have a memory only for words, not for sentences.

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Dr Steiner: The riddle of life is not so simple. When such a being dies, it returns to nature from which it came. The corpse decays, but there is no real dissolution of the etheric body, and the natural being returns to nature. It is also possible that something like an automaton could occur. The entire human organism exists, and it might be possible to automate the brain and develop a kind of pseudomorality.

I do not like to talk about such things since we have often been attacked even without them. Imagine what people would say if they heard that we say there are people who are not human beings. Nevertheless, these are facts. Our culture would not be in such a decline if people felt more strongly that a number of people are going around who, because they are completely ruthless, have become something that is not human, but instead are demons in human form.
(Faculty Meetings With Rudolf Steiner Vol. 2, 3 July 1923, p. 649-650)

G. I. Gurdjieff spoke along the same lines. His lectures in Views from the Real World summarize his position. Humans are born as blank slates, as biological machines without self-awareness. At some point in life, a person either develops an “I” or branches onto the opposite path toward further mechanization and decay. So according to Gurdjieff, “empty” people are those who have never developed their self-awareness as they should have, but we all start out on equal footing. I don’t believe this to be true because there are infants and children who clearly have high sentience behind their eyes and expected behaviors of self-awareness, while other infants and children lack it, which suggests the factor of reincarnation in some people and complete absence of spirit including the potential for spirit in other people.

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Thank you for the info dump anon, even if I don't necessarily believe all of it.

>>18805789
Boris Mouravieff has written on the subject of spiritless people most extensively. See his three volumes of the Gnosis series, particularly the second and third volumes. His approach is based on Esoteric Christianity, and thus it quotes heavily from scripture while bearing much in common with the Fourth Way tradition of Gurdjieff, which itself seems to trace back to Sufistic teachings. According to Mouravieff’s interpretation of the Book of Genesis, there existed humans before Adam and Eve, but that only Adam and by proxy Eve and her descendants received the breath of spirit from God. Thus nowadays there exists two mingling sub-races of humans, the pre-Adamics without spirit, and the Adamics who have it. Mouravieff explains that pre-Adamics serve the purpose of harvesting energy from Adamics as part of the cosmic food chain. He also explores the metaphysical differences between the two, in regards to pre-Adamics missing certain “centers”, which are analogous to chakras. Mouravieff believes the pre-Adamics have a group soul unique to their collective, and that only after further aeons of evolution will their collective soul differentiate into individual spirits like what the Adamics already have.

The Corpus Hermeticum, a famous hermetic and gnostic text written almost two thousand years ago, likewise states that not all humans have the spark of divine reason (termed Nous) active within them, and that without Nous a human is more like an “irrational creature” (animal) in his motivations, limited perception, and way of life. One would have to read the entire text to understand this in proper context. See the english translation titled The Way of Hermes: New Translations of the Corpus Hermeticum (Inner Traditions, 2000).

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So what I am saying in this here is not without precedent. I merely made the observation of “empty” people independently in and then cycled through various personal speculations and existing theories before settling on the current one explained above.

I believe there are several ways in which people end up spiritless. Some are born that way because no spirit ever took root, just like theater seats that remain empty because no one bought tickets for them. Others may have started out with spirit but had it depart at some point in life. It could have evacuated through abuse or sudden extreme trauma, or evaporated gradually from decades of soul-killing routine. Not everyone who dies necessarily drops dead. People can go on existing as hollow shells, as echoes of their former selves, now void of the spirit that once gave them spark.

As you can see, this idea that some people lack spirit explains much about the robotic, animalistic, predatory side of humanity. So many of us are under the false assumption that we are all the same inside, that if we walked in another’s shoes we would fully understand their motivations. But not all inhuman acts trace back to mere environmental variables. There are cases where, even if we put ourselves in their place, we would not act the same. That is because the cause of their motivations is not environmental, but metaphysical: the absence of spirit, and the supreme reign of ego.

Those who ignore the possibility of spiritless people will continue to shake their heads in frustration at behaviors they simply cannot compute and must either ignore or rationalize away. When dealing with a spiritless psychopath, for instance, such individuals are easily deceived and manipulated.

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>>18805804
Only after getting burned again and again do they realize some humans are a different kind of animal, that some humans are not remediable because they are acting fully and healthily in accordance with their spiritless predatory nature. This is especially true of the psychopathic elite who run this prison planet; they cannot be rehabilitated, made to see the error of their ways, or convinced through appeals to empathy.

It would be unwise, however, to look down upon the spiritless with contempt. They are what they are, living their lives in accordance with their makeup. They should be handled no differently from how one handles a wild animal that acts according to its feral nature. It is only by trying to hold the spiritless up to higher spiritual standards that frustration sets in. Without expecting too much of them, and by understanding why they behave as they do, frustration gives way to calm insight.

Nor is it worth going out of your way to try and spot who is spiritless, because in ambiguous cases you will likely err on the side of paranoia. Since spiritless behaviors form a subset of the behaviors of spirited people, only the behaviors unique to spirited people can allow quick and certain identification, and then only of who is definitely spirited. Spotting only works for picking out who is truly spirited, which happens most easily with a spirited individual on your wavelength. You will sense the life in their eyes, the clear and unique energy behind their words, and the originality and independence behind their thought processes.

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>>18805808
"How do I know I’m not a spiritless person?" – If you have experienced even one trait unique to spirit, then you are not spiritless. The very fact that you have wondered this, that you are uncertain and wish to know for sure, shows self-awareness and introspection, which is another trait of having spirit. Regardless, it is better to assume that you do have spirit and work on developing its qualities like intuition, empathy, and lucidity, all the while being aware of your lower egotistical impulses and keeping from acting on them.

"I suspect that my (friend, spouse, parent) is a spiritless person, what do I do?" – Set aside for a moment the question of whether they are spirited or not, and focus solely on whether you can continue being with them. Are they so manipulative, draining, abusive, or otherwise harmful to your well-being that you have to get away? If so, then it doesn’t matter whether they have spirit or not. Are they so friendly and easy going that you are doing quite fine having them in your life? If so, then it doesn’t matter whether they have spirit or not. So from a practical perspective, you only have to be concerned with whether you can deal with having them in your life. Where the distinction between spirited and spiritless does come into play is in dealing with psychopathic people, where even after promising to change they keep returning to their abusive ways; then at some point, instead of rationalizing that they are just misguided and need even more time and attention, it is better to conclude that maybe they are acting perfectly in line with who they really are. Naive people who think everyone is equally good inside will keep rationalizing and taking the abuse, but those with higher understanding will recognize the warning signs of futility sooner and save themselves the trouble.

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"How is this concept of spiritless people not somehow divisive, racist, persecutory, and antithetical to the idea of human equality, unity, harmony, and brotherhood?" –

If the theory is true, that some people do in fact lack spirit, then the truth of the matter should not be ignored for the sake of political correctness. When properly applied, knowledge can lead to greater stability and harmony in the long run. For example, every attempted utopian society has failed because it was founded on naive assumptions about the makeup of its citizenry; selfish, psychopathic, predatory individuals end up corrupting the utopia. If the utopia were founded on full understanding of such types, then measures could have been put into place to prevent corruption. Also, a theory should not be blamed for the consequences of its misapplication; those who misapply it use it as a vehicle for the satisfaction of their own egos rather than applying it from a spiritual perspective. Instead of throwing out the theory because of its misapplication, better effort should be made to prevent its misapplication. Lastly, the unity of all life can be recognized without sacrificing awareness of the functional diversity comprising it; and only by properly understanding each part of that unity can the whole be recognized in full clarity instead of mere ignorant bliss.

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>>18805813
simply epic..... my eyes are forever woke ..

This is one reason why I still visit /x/.

These absolute rare occations.
Just peace, reading and writing.
No fighting for attention.

Thanks Wall-of-Text Man.

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>>18805813
I have a very nagging question and I hope you will answer it.

This whole text. Where did you get it from.

On multiple occations I could've sworn I have already read it before.

>>18805832
Tom Montalk

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>>18805836
Much appreciated.

One last bump from me.

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>>18805832
It's early German mysticism and then fully adopted Nazi rhetoric. What you read was the justification of the slaughter of the jews, gypsies and homosexuals (they lacked spirit and were subhuman). It was a mercy to destroy them, because you were returning demons back to the sea from which they sprang.

It's fascinating to see it re-emerge in the 21st century, and it is just a purile and redundant it it's loquacious obfuscation.

>"How do I know I’m not a spiritless person?"

Just do what we tell you and you're safe.

A reminder that this is why other occultists namely L.R Hubbard but also Blavatsky and Crowley before him were heavily opposed to psychology- which they saw rightfully as a rival form of magic, attempting to masquerade as a science and entrap mankind in it's spell.


>>18805836
The moment a man like this were to gain power, he would abuse it to further his unholy agenda, and mass genocide would ensue.


Listen to me carefully Anons, I know we like to Larp from time to time, but this is serious black magic, if you've read everything he wrote- re-read it at least 6 more times, pay close attention to what he is not saying. He paints you as living Gods who will reincarnate and even dares to blaspheme against the Christian faith, why? For some reason Lucifer has a hard-on for Christianity and always has to work it into his world view.

We get it dude, God(s) fucked you somehow and you're mad and now you're trying to trick mankind. Stop making it so fucking obvious every time and you might've gotten further in 2000 years than owning some banks, spooky hand signals and weird lights in the sky.

>>18805850
Also nice to see people taking it down "that road" again.

One can abuse everything.
From liquor to screwdrivers.

That is the point of the text and you interpret it that way.
Funny actually.

>>18805850
Godwins law in the first sentence, nice one.
>we should ignore the truth because people can use it to justify evil
No thanks.

>>18805850
>It would be unwise, however, to look down upon the spiritless with contempt. They are what they are, living their lives in accordance with their makeup. They should be handled no differently from how one handles a wild animal that acts according to its feral nature. It is only by trying to hold the spiritless up to higher spiritual standards that frustration sets in. Without expecting too much of them, and by understanding why they behave as they do, frustration gives way to calm insight.

>Nor is it worth going out of your way to try and spot who is spiritless, because in ambiguous cases you will likely err on the side of paranoia. Since spiritless behaviors form a subset of the behaviors of spirited people, only the behaviors unique to spirited people can allow quick and certain identification, and then only of who is definitely spirited. Spotting only works for picking out who is truly spirited, which happens most easily with a spirited individual on your wavelength. You will sense the life in their eyes, the clear and unique energy behind their words, and the originality and independence behind their thought processes.

>>18805850
jesus fuck this post is retarded.

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how does cognitive dissidence feel?

How is anything he wrote the truth? Projecting SPIRIT on people he likes and SPIRITLESS on people he doesn't like is like saying WHITE people and NON-WHITE people.

Except in the latter case, you have pigmentation to measure people by, in the former you're left with some nebulous bullshit, a mixture of eastern and western religions.

It was built from the ground up to be abused, it's neither liquor or a screwdriver, it's a comical theological mallet, crude and designed to squash any opposition or dissent.

Thankfully it only works in convincing really stupid people, because you have to be a fucking idiot not to see the contradiction between claiming ego supression and claiming you are spirited and therefore superior (and a real Adamic human bean) to the spiritless (those evil pre-Adamics, even if they are billionaires).

Because we all know wealth is only created from theft right, that's why we need socialism, so that the state can steal everything and then everyone can be wealthy.

>>18805850
yeah promoting "humility, empathy, compassion, understanding, and forgiveness" is really fucking evil and luciferian.

>>18805894
i refuse to believe someone can be this stupid to make this comparison. this is obviously cointelpro sliding/diversion because of the massive truth bombs dropped in this thread.

>>18805894
He does not project any positive or negative aspect onto either.
He would judge them as people identically, based off of their action.
You are making shit up.

>>18805907
>promoting "humility, empathy, compassion, understanding, and forgiveness"

oh I'm sorry, aren't those the tenants of Christianity? Why do you need this German bullshit again?

I mean if this stuff is SO POWERFUL why are you getting so butthurt, my words should have zero effect on you because you have the holy truth of Steiner right there.

>Main article: Rudolf Steiner and the Theosophical Society
>Annie Besant
>Co-Freemansonry
>Alice Bailey
>The Lucifer Publishing Company
>The Lucis Trust


oh... well we didn't have to dig far for that one.

>>18805934
yes, yes, a misunderstood genius, I'm sure. No ulterior motives at all, not embedded in a historical context pushing German-Austrian reunification under the guise of ethnic nationalism. Definitely no political motivations to any of these ideas, just honest to goodness intellectuals wanting to help humanity out, for all the good reasons.

>>18801914
This feeling of being 'more aware' than others and questioning your own existence is actually a very common symptom of Asperger's syndrome.

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>>18801914
Relativity. We are here. Discussing these things. I understand what you are saying, and I think your assuming too much. Isolation? Practical or imagined, isolation disconnects us from what is actual.

>>18805942
Give me a single instance where he has pushed for german-austrian reunification, or ethnic nationalism. You are lying.

>>18805960
I'll do you three better:
>http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/questions-about-steiners-classroom/news-story/bd90f4bfc4a1a5c77b6269dba6d26fca?nk=0e01b9d8750ea44fbc1f993ad004c5f0-1490213882

>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/07/the-insidious-pervasiveness-of-the-cult-of-rudolf-steiner.html

>https://www.rationalist.com.au/6-facts-you-need-to-know-about-steiner-education/

honestly tell me, how much do you get paid to shill pro-steiner stuff, i don't even care bro, the nazis did nothing wrong, there are you happy? do you want to sell me some medicine water? maybe i should homeschool my kids if i don't have a steiner school near me?

you guys didn't do a great job scrubbing all that negative press off the internet, it was pretty easy to find. Into the trash you go, with Scientology and all the other New Age bullshit.

>>18806005
Nowhere in any of those articles is there any genuine example of steiner supporting naziism.
Again, you're lying.
He has questionable beliefs on holistic medicine, and believes some whacky stuff, but he is not a nazi.

>>18801914
Yes anon, this is hell. Now bend over and spread your anus for Satans big, shloppy dick.

>>18806005
Also, this isn't about steiner, and you're a manipulative little cunt to try and make it about him, this is about Tom Montalk, specifically the ideas he presented in the text above, disprove it or fuck off and shill somewhere else.

>>18806039
>http://montalk.net/matrix/157/spiritless-humans
Here is the text from above with sources and stuff. Im not the guy from above, just wanted to throw this in.

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>>18801914
was driving to the supermarket 2day, and noticed a woman on her lawn stumbling around like a retarded penguin; i just couldnt help but try 2 imagine whats going thru this woman's mind: it was NOTHING

And yes i think this world is nothing but death(aka the most feared & traumatic experience possible, especially 2 c a loved 1 go); God gives us sovereign power(will) but gives us no control over our lives/mortality. Good newsish is that google is predicting immortality in less than a couple decades....(better save up some $$ 4 that i guess)

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Wall-of-Text guy posted one thing and everyone roundabout understood in his own way.

So do you, adressing the one fearmongering about nazis.
You come here with the idea of connecting it with evil.

I did not. You did. You infused this idea.
You are the host of this idea and thereby the only evil you try to spread here.

Do you then also understand, that all the power that your idea has comes from the people who adopt it(willingly or unwillingly).
Surely you are aware of how ideas spread.

To know what ought to be said and what ought not to be said is an art understood by people who have an aim.
Your aim is to spread awareness that this can lead to evil deeds.

Everything can to evil deeds.
*cough* catcher in the rye.

Again. You are the host of this idea.
You spread it.

Idea acknowledged and dismissed.

>>18806066
gay the fuck away

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Not an argument

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>>18806080
memento mori :(

>>18801914
Go back to high school, solipsism is for losers

>>18806022
how could he fucking support Nazism he died over 10 years before it existed. are you fucking retarded?

>>18806039
>preview tinyurl com mwdzw8z
Oh you mean this illuminated soul?
>montalk net books
get them with that free introductory ebook then BLAM, theyre hooked baby, pay my rent money bitch, you wanna escape the matrix dont you?

>>18806079
wall of text guy is advertising his site and wants to make money (god knows why he'd bother on /x/ we're such a dead board, there's barely 30 people here). I address HISTORY. The side of history conveniently left out by wall of text guy, who did not bother to add a small caveat that the only time any of his ideas where put into practice it was used to wipe out millions of people off the face of the Earth and lead to WWII and the death of many millions more.

If I was selling someone on Communism I would be remiss not to mention the labour camps of Stalin USSR and the mass starvation of Maoist China.

Naturally if someone is promoting early German
mysticism, esotericism, theosophy, and all that spiritual shit associate with it, not mentioning the giant red flag that was Nazi Germany and the Occult foundations it was constructed around is a little sketchy. The solar motif, pagan worship, the spiritual revival of the 1800s with Blavatsky and her ilk, the talk of root races, and ascendant masters, and light bodies, it goes on and on along those lines.

It's old shit and the standard playbook of those opposing Christianity:
>you will revive after death into a new body, so death is not the end
>you are god and can become god
>jesus was just a prophet and not actually the son of god

It's almost always the same regurgitated shit over and over. Go and read:
>Vril, The Power of the Coming Race
>The Secret Doctrine
>Isis Unveiled
>The Zodiac and the Salts of Salvation
>The Externalization of the Hierarchy

Might as well get it from the source and not some 3rd rate huckster.

>>18801914
I'm conscious, otherwise I wouldn't tell you that the key to getting out of this place is at the center of your skull. It's so obvious it's hilarious we're all still here

>>18806181
The nazi party formed in 1920, he died 5 years after it's formation, your vague ramblings about him being an ethnonationalist are clearly an attempt to label him a nazi, as you did in literally your first sentence of your first post.
>>18805850
>It's early German mysticism and then fully adopted Nazi rhetoric.

Shill somewhere else.

>>18806207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wDSRBHDiGo

let's agree to disagree, hail satan. but just to expose him cos were the good goys ;)

>>18806220
What are you even talking about?

>>18806220
His explanation

Youtube commenter: "don't get it, why give thought-energy to this "lucifer"?"

Tom Montalk: "For the same reason my writings, interviews, and videos give 'thought-energy' to the Corrupt Demiurge, Matrix Control System, alien agenda, and demonic forces. You can't expose or highlight or raise awareness about something without bringing attention to it. No attention, no understanding. No understanding, then blindspot and thus vulnerability. Except with music it's not just intellectual understanding, but also experience and immersion. What matters is the conclusion you come away with, and how you live your life in response. The last verse and chorus in this song give you a "leg up" on the subject and provides new context for the earlier lines, showing how deluded they are. If you can understand another side's point of view and still know why they're wrong, then you are more powerful than if you only have a vague "they're bad" mindset. Sun Tzu, "If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat." And that is why my site isn't New Age, and why I don't write Christian rock. I will have, and already have, songs and articles that are exclusively positive and about positive spiritual subjects, but exposing the dark is also there, for balance."

>>18801914
>if I wasnt I wouldnt be making this thread

Is that your criteria for consciousness?

Then you would know that others are conscious because other threads have been made, and not by you.

The answer is you can never know because all you can ever experience is your own subjectivity. You can't ever truly experience other people's perspectives.

Plus, if other people really aren't conscious, would it really matter? Nothing would really change.

>>18805239
> "no one else is real, just me"
> argues with them anyway

>>18806827
I'm not OP, sunshine.
Most people do not have consciousness(spirit), this doesn't mean they don't exist and cannot interact with me.
Maybe you should actually read what was stated before you make presumptions.

>>18806922
"Most people"
Doubtful

>>18806970
Go ahead and ask them if they experience the entity that experiences their actions that is separate from their body, but they identify as themselves.
Most including probably you would deny that they have the experience.

>>18805239
take your meds

>>18806996
Simply because you can't understand a concept does not make people who can insane.
Rats like you are the people who executed galileo.

>>18807016
Bruno* not Galileo.
I'm tired and you people are idiots.

This thread is embarrassing.

>>18807045
Then don't post in it, namefag scum.

>>18801914
Welcome to solipsism.
I went through that phase when I was 12.

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I've been stuck in autopilot mode since highschool

>>18806983 I do, it even talks to me all the time, I'm playable or whatever just found out recently. They can see through your eyes its trippy but real

>>18807052
>Calls me namefag
>I'm clearly a tripfag
You're clearly a newfag

>>18801914
Get over yourself, you're not that important

>>18807076
it even talks to me all the time
Really sounds like you're just trying to make me sound insane there m80.

>If I get on a plane, on a whim tomorrow, are they going to panic and work around the clock to generate the new setting required for when I land? Or is it already there.

I've had that same thought. Like when I'm driving home from work I'll wonder if I just got off at a random exit and went into a random store, would I still find life proceeding "normally"? I should try it sometime I guess

>>18801914
This sort of idea of reality runs through my head all the fucking time. Scary to think about

>>18807115
No I'm being real what if someone is doing everything for you in heaven playing a game called higher self? They determine your future.

>>18807194
uwot

>>18807209
Ghost in the machine or whatever would be that higher self dude

>>18807218
Yeah I don't follow, have to sleep early anyways so later.

>>18805810
>Are they so friendly and easy going that you are doing quite fine having them in your life? If so, then it doesn’t matter whether they have spirit or not.

This would matter to me, because, if what you're saying is true and if said person is spiritless, won't they disappear forever when they die?

>>18801914
I wonder this every day. But who's to say you're not just a robot, OP? How am I supposed to know? I know I feel, think, and have desires. I know I'm conscious, but are you?

>>18805944
Aren't aspies known for having poor intuition (like of social cues, for example) and a lack of self-awareness?

>>18806983
> entity that experiences their actions that is separate from their body

I have this too. It's called schizophrenia. Take your meds, anon.

>>18801914

Consciousness is the aperture through which the universe discovers itself.

God is putting on a puppet show. For himself. He is every actor and every stage. And he is playing your role so well that you don't even know you're acting.

The illusion of "you" can never drop out of consciousness. "You" could never know if anything else in your world is conscious. "You" would have to not be "you" to know that.

>>18807325
That doesn't sound right as a whole, but the social cues part is correct.

>>18805178
How can you know that only few of us are conscious but yet at the same time not be able to tell them apart/know who is who? Sound contradictory. How do you know the amount who are / aren't? Maybe all of one city is sentient yet all of a country arent. It seems if it's true at all there would be variants of population density.

Tldr:how do you know some of us are sentient but at the same time not know how to tell if they are.

>>18805313
Jelly of that gold senpai. Staking is bad for your heart old school bro.

>>18807400
>Anonymous 03/22/17(Wed)21:55:28 No.188
Babby's first Alan Watts I see... Welcome to the club, now kill yourself.

>>18801914

It's not that you're the only conscious one. You're just the only one.

Everyone else in the world is you at a different time. After you die, you'll leave for a few seconds and then get born into another body at another time.

At the end of it all, you'll emerge as a mature 5th dimensional consciousness that will remember all of your experiences in this universe.