Do you think Governments or the Church have gates to the

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>>18784974
Definetely.

What's the second Heaven? I mean, what's the difference between that and the first one?

>>18784977
I understand Second Heaven to be the Astral Plane.

God is in the 3rd Heaven.

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>>18784977
It's not nearly as heavenly, and is the place that spirits travel from. It's moreso a limbo or the void.

>>18784974
No.

>>18784978
>>18784987

Oh so it's just the astral plane? Wouldn't every human have access to it then, with practice that is?

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>>18784988
No.

>>18784988
I think that Astral traveling in our Spirit is possible, but I think the Spirits are trying or have achieved a reliable "gate" so to speak that they can seamlessly traverse the veil.

>>18784974
it's in the spiritual world, not the physical.

no they just have an infinite amount of money

once i master the art of astral projection, the first place im going to is the vatican library