Why do conspiracy theorist always have to over complicate things.

>>18731937
Answer: false flagging and controlled opposition

>did you hear? Those crazy 9/11 truthers think the plane didn't exist and the illuminati lizard wizards are behind it all

To make a problem go away, it's not enough to ignore it or engage it in real debate. To do so wouldn't change anything, or would add validity to the opposition (in this case, government vs conspiracy theorists). Discrediting your opponent is waaaay more powerful. You see this in real politics all the time, where there is basically no political discourse but loads of slandering opponents to make them, and thus their position, appear untrustworthy.

I do believe there are conspiracy theory "plants" that exist to make conspiracy theorists seem crazy. Now, i don't completely believe all of pizzagate, but it is very suspicious in my mind how a man with a gun threatens people at the restaurant maybe 2 days after it became big news. This just screams "false flag" to make those talking about it seem dangerous.

Take everything with a healthy dose of skepticism, both conspiracy theories and established truths.

>>18731984
See but here's the thing. I'm a polisci grad and I'm well aware those in power love doing fucked up shit to maintain that power and that history is often written by the winners.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to wade through stupid ass conversations about the most convoluted nonsense which totally ignores the real heat of the matter and your post is the perfect example.

Pizzagate is all bullshit and I'll tell you why. Its a comfortable lie to obscure the real truth that there are more pedophiles in places of power and in our general lives than we're comfortable admitting. There are secret rings that protect those in power NOT because they're pedophiles but because the fact that a pedophile being in power undermines the authority of others in power. There are many examples of this from Penn State to the Catholic church to Jimmy Savile.

You're distracting yourself from the simple truth that bad people get into positions of power and theres no way to really know if they're going to abuse that power until they get it. Theres no pizza nonsense, theres no secret codes, and theres no secret society because its more or less an open secret and no one listens to the victims until its too late. There are still fuckers out there willing to stand up for Bill Cosby despite the overwhelming evidence for fucks sake.

The real conspiracy that should freak you out is that no one cares or will care because we get ideas in our heads about how people are and whos one of the good guys, and once that ideas implanted in our brain we'll let them do horrible, horrible things rather than admit we were wrong. I mean, if we were wrong about Bill Cosby and Jimmy Savile who else are we wrong about and how can we ever know if were safe? Thats a terrifying thought so half the people reject it and ignore it while the other half makes up convoluted theories to placate their moral fiber.

>>18731937

>all these blocks of autistic text

It's shills being paid to poison the well, simple as that.

This looks like it has the potential to be a good thread. Way to go, OP!

>>18732068
Why are you being smarmy about it? OP has a good point.

Quit trying to act so ruggedly experienced and above it all.

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>>18731937
What they need is someone practiced in the arts of divination to give them clear insight into what's really going on.
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>>18732044
I did say that I don't believe most of the pizzagate stuff like the secret codes or satanism or whatever. However, I feel like you fail to look beyond the assertions you yourself have made.

So let's look at this pedopphile thing:
>pedophiles do get into positions of power
>people ignore it because we want to trust celebrities and people in power
Okay, now it's not a huge jump to assume:
>based on numerous witness testimonies, pedophilia is especially rampant in hollywood
>numerous people at the top may be pedophiles and may know who else is a pedophile
>being a socially taboo and horrible practice, these pedophiles work together to ensure secrecy and protect each other against being discovered

Boom, you've just created a "secret society."

There doesn't have to be some grand unifying conspiracy or an occult cabal working for the subjugation of humanity. But to me it is not ridiculous to assume, as above, there are some elements kept hidden from the public eye with their own secret motives.

>>18732085

Im not trying to be smarmy, OP is ironically over complcating and over thinking this kek. It's a tactic as old as time itself, it is THE first tactic historically developed by professional shills to undermine enemies.

>>18732145
Frankfurt School is a good example.

In 1935 a group of Marxist intellectuals suddenly find safe passage and a home in Colombia University. The US government knew what was going on, they knew about Dachau. It's definitely a conspiracy, but not for the reason conservatives think.

>>18732161

Do you have a different take on it than the standard cultural Marxism one? I haven't really heard/read about any other type of variants.

>>18732190
Broadly speaking, think of it as a vaccine. The US government injected the Frankfurt School, with its bizarre psychoanalysis-infused pseudo Marxism to innoculate itself against the real thing which was the source of real-world revolutions.

All of a sudden 'Marxism' no longer became about direct action, industrial unionism, worker solidarity etc. Rather, it became this limp dick school of 'cultural critique' increasingly known for obfuscation over the years. IT all seems a little too convenient.

>>18731937
>Why do conspiracy theorist always have to over complicate things.
Because its disinfo.

>>18732201
Also it did a pretty good job of keeping Marxist thought (or what it had turned into at any rate) firmly locked within the ivory tower.

>>18732201

So you think it was just a tactical pressure release valve? I really don't see to point in that considering the average American(especially in that era) would be religious and be completely invested in America. Just look at the south or the rust belt, poor as heck but THE most conservative. There isn't much to vaccinate if everyone is already immunized, a secular collectivist ideology isn't going to be received well by religious individualists.

In an era where capitalism was at it's height and Americans were much more conservative you expect them to want to "immunize" them lmao.

The only people who fell for the cultural Marxism meme were bourgeois college students and vapid intellectuals. It wouldn't have even been the targeted group(according to you).

If anything it was a way to irreparably cripple upper middle class college graduates and academia beyond repair.

Just look at the state it's in today, their brains are mush.

>>18732276

All those poor folks you're talking about could've had Marx preached to them through the unions by appealing to the bottom line and leaving 'culture' out of it.

>In an era where capitalism was at it's height and Americans were much more conservative...


...then please explain to me how the fuck FDR got elected with all those New Deal government programs. People had their fill of 'muh bootstraps' by that point.

This is the 30s, not the fucking 50s lmao lmao the red scare hadn't quite gotten to that point. There was no immunization yet.

Look, i appreciate a challenge to the idea but there's no need to throw it overboard wholesale in a dismissive manner. This was an era where people didn't want to hear about the miracle of free markets because for the vast majority, the market screwed them. You're telling me there wasn't potential for radicalization there?

>>18732276
Also, 'conservatism' and 'liberalism' weren't the beasts that they are today. If you went back in time and asked a Klansman of the era what he'd think of, say, universal healthcare, he'd probably tell you it was a great idea, as long as it was just for 100% "real" (white protestant) Americans.

>>18732384

fdr got all those reforms passed because he controled the house, senate, congress and judiciary. It wasn't because the average Joe Shmoe even wanted or knew about half the stuff he proposed. Even then he got elected on a platform of soft social reform not communism(or even socialism for that matter).

Sure there was potential for radicalizing some people but it would have been a minority. America is fundamentally incompatible with communism, examine the history of the places where it succeeded and where it didn't. Contrary to whatever the average communist tells you, it simply isn't a universalist ideology.

And you still do not understand, cultural Marxism is the closest America will ever get to communism. Sure you are right in thinking it's "not real communism" but think about it this way.

The middle class is what overwhelmingly dominates American politics and has historically held inordinate amount of power and freedom. The same way traditional rome had the warrior/farmer so does America have it's middle class. They vastly outnumbered the poor even in the great depression(everyones livin gstandards fell), the only way to peddle collectivist marxism in the US is through bourgeois intellectualism and soft socialism.

You fail to see the forest for the tree's, Frankfurt schools target was never the poor. They succeeded in effectively tilting America farther left throught gradul foot in the door methods.