Vampire general to discuss them and post vampire pictures Question:

>>18722148
No one said that faggot. You made that up.

>>18722159
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18709555/#18709936

>>18722148
>Where does the belief come from that you need to be a virgin to become a vampire?

If that we the case, than your faggot ass would be a perfect candidate to become a vampire.

>>18722187
Are you saying your ass has been already fucked many times so you wouldn't be ideal to become a vampire?

>>18722164
I told you. Kill one and carry their vampire dust. The virgin thing isn't true. Anyone can be bitten and become a vampire. If the vampire chooses to suck all your blood, then you will die. You need to be bitten, not sucked dry. Or play in their vampire dust.

In other words, you need to go to Transylvania and find Dracula.

>>18722219
is dracula still alive?

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>>18722148

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btRVNAvGCBQ

The idea comes from the notion that what evil propagates itself by taking the clean, wholesome and completely innocent and corrupting it utterly with through force, or temptation.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/108713.Pimp

A more literal example of it of how evil propagates itself.

I'm pure, how do I become a vampire?

>>18722256
I wouldn't even say that being a virgin makes someone pure or innocent. Lots of perverts and sexual fiends are still virgins because they had no chance to lose it.

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>>18722283

If you were really pure you wouldn't want to become one, would you?

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>>18722148
>tfw a qt vampire will never bite you
I don't even want to be a vampire I just want to get bit, how do I make it happen /x/? It's legit the one thing I've always wanted. I'd be fine if it kills me I don't care.

>>18722587
whats your gender? are you attractive?

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>>18722587

Just take your bank accounts over to your nearest (((wall street financial advisor))). They'll suck the "energy reserves" that you worked so hard to accrue, right out of you.

>>18722148
>vampire general
Which ones tho.

Over the centuries there have been like 30 different entities, magical practitioners, and even animals that have been called vampires.

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>>18722642

Just be as evil as you can anon, in all the ways you can think of. You'll be a monster; in one form or another.

>>18722587
You don't ever want a vampire to bite you.

>>18722678

Yeah, i think i do.

>>18722692
I'm 100% certain you don't, unless you're looking for one of the following:

Death
Pain
Diseases

That's literally all a vampire bite can offer you.

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>>18722673

*And you suddenly realize why they burnt the great Library of Alexandria and hid all the knowledge of the occult from the "profane"*

>>18722639
Male, and not in my own eyes no. I'd assume it's the same in other's eyes.

>>18722678
>>18722697
>Death
>Pain

I'm perfectly fine with both of these. In my first post I even said I'd be fine with death. It's not some edgy suicide bullshit I just genuinely want to get bit.

>>18722775
Oh. Well, carry on then! I hope you're quite attractive, rich, powerful, or in some other way notable, because there's not a lot of vampires out there these days, and there are a fuck of a lot more people than there used to be, so good look standing out.

>>18722817
I'm on 4chan so I have none of those qualities

>>18722283
suck dick

>>18722283
Get a vampire to sire you.

Purity really has nothing to do with it. Good luck finding on though.

>>18722148
This virgin bit is a total myth. Vampyres won't die if they go into the sun, although it may annoy them a bit. A stake through their heart or chopping off their head will kill them, just like it will kill you. Crosses have no effect on them, and a lot of them are religious. They're not immortal, although they tend to age much slower than most people. They don't necessarily need blood, but most of them do have an iron deficiency.

>>18722882
Well then you're fucked. There are probably only a couple thousand vampires in the world right now, not counting the ones that are hibernating or just laying low in a "civilian" life. Compare that to the BILLIONS of humans. You have to find some way to stand out, or you won't be getting anything.

>>18722912
>spells it with a y
Jesus kid, go back to hot topic.

>>18722148
>Where does the belief come from that you need to be a virgin to become a vampire?

Occult investigations.
I posted about this in earler threads, but not
>>18722164

It's not "just" being a virgin, it has to do with the energy cluster created by having sex outside of marriage. Some people may have the same thing while being married, but it's only a guarantee to create this if you're unmarried and do this for lust.

Because marriage may not have existed like it does today/past few 100 years, it can't be carved in stone this way. It really depends on what you were thinking about, your motivations and how you had sex, but generally, if you want to ruin yourself here's how to definitely NOT be a virgin anymore:

>fuck someone you don't want to have kids with
>fuck for fun or for money
>fuck multiple people

This means vaginal with cuming inside. It's quite specific but most people get it "right" very easily. I've seen many counter arguments from "vampires" but they all also apply by the "drain but not die" transformation, so they're not really immortal.

If you wanted to become a vampire in the traditional, real immortal sense, you should keep your virginity, because the magic used to transform you needs to be able to override death. You need to die. The issue here is that the energy created from degenerate sex can not be overpowered by the old standard vampirism. You'll just die and go to hell eventually if you attempt it. Overcoming the issue of being not a virgin is possible, but not with vampirism.

Those who said they have "transformed" but they didn't overcome death in the process are not real immortals, don't take their words too seriously, they don't know that much.

>>18722912
>This virgin bit is a total myth
>They're not immortal

Then they're not a vampire.

>>18722943
its pretty weird how only cuming in the vagina is degenerate sex or affects vampirism?

so
>a guy giving another guy a blowjob
>a girl getting licked by another girl
>virgin guy watching porn all day and riding dildos

all of them are degenerate but by your definition could become vamps if thats all they did?

>>18722943
Part of the issue with this discussion is that there's a fuckton of different things people have labeled "vampire" over the years, and plenty of them could be considered "real" vampires.

Some are human practitioners who change themselves, as you mentioned, a la skinwalkers. Some are nonhuman entities that just feed off humans in some way, and are labeled vampires. Some are literally just animals.

>>18722943
How do you know that what you say is true for sure? Have you talked to real vampires about this?

>>18722958
You're talking about totally different types of vampirism, I'd guess. I get the sense he's talking about the post-human "spiritual" vampirism in which a person changes themself with magic or ritual.

You sound like you're talking about the pathogenic or pseudo-human bloodline vamps.

>>18722966
>Have you talked to real vampires about this?
Generally speaking you don't talk to vampires about being a vampire, because you'll "go missing" about a quarter of a second after they realize you know what they are.

Though this does depend on what kind of vampire you're talking about, because there are a lot of different things people call vampires. But, assuming you're talking about vampires who are immortal blood-sucking humanoids who reproduce by sharing blood, you generally can't tell what they are just by looking, and they go to great lengths to make sure nobody knows. Now that there are so many people these days, and blood is so readily available (you, the person reading this, could go buy some blood right now), they pretty much never have to tip their hand, and they don't kill people any more than the other rich and powerful do, so why worry about them?

>>18723000
I'm not worrying. I basically want to know if I should keep my virginity until I interact with the vampire and make my transformation or if it's unimportant in this regard.

>>18723011
Uh. You can't become a vampire.

What would you have to offer them in exchange? Granted, some of them do things differently, but by and large they aren't interested in creating more of their kind, as it's nothing but a risk to do so; that young vampire is nothing but competition, and it's much more likely that a younger, less established vampire will be exposed, which isn't something they want.

So you theoretically could, but you've got one in a million odds of discovering a vampire, one in a million odds of surviving if they find out you know, one in a million you actually get their attention, one in a million they think you're worthy of the blood... Noticing a pattern here?

>>18723038
I don't have to explain that to you because you're not the vampire that I have my eyes on.

>>18722658
kek

>>18723062
And how, pray tell, did you know they were a vampire?

>>18723143
- moves without sound
- sees in the dark
- appears out of nowhere

>>18723189
Anon, did you mean to type "cat"?

>>18723201
I love cats but it is a humanoid.

>>18723202
So it's a furry?

>>18723189
Nigger there are a million and three things than can do that, and you assume it must be a vampire.

>eats cheetos
>fits under a dumpster
>wiggles when you stab it
MUST BE A TODDLER

>>18722958
>all of them are degenerate but by your definition could become vamps if thats all they did?

There's something particularly nasty about the energy created by specifically vaginal sex with cumming inside, done with non-impregnation purposes, non of the other things you mention manage to create the same thing.

It's pretty easy to recognize this pattern when you've met a lot of people, and virgins don't have it (young people, kids) while someone you know for a fact had exactly one bf/gf and they had sex, they're not married, don't want kids, and their bodies has this nasty thing already created.

Oral does nothing, in this sense. Lesbians neither. Male gays have something else wich is bad but I don't know what effect it would have, it may not be fatal is all I can tell.

>>18722966
>>18723000

I've had communications. Noone will talk to you about it face to face, most likely. You'll know who they are if you know what to look for. I don't expect a complete mundane to understand this, if you have any experience from a /fringe/ view you know that people all have signatures (or auras) that can be sensed or seen visually. You'll notice at once if something is odd. But even for those who really are vampires it may lie so deep you don't realize it, and they also confuse you with mental trickery.

If they feel like playing with you they'll give you hints, nudges to see if you're sensitive enough to notice. I've spent a few years mapping this area, there are some quite strict ways these things work, so by measuring the effect of one thing and comparing it to the effect of another thing, then bringing them together and seeing that it really did exactly that... then you'll be able to say with 99% certainty that this is the way it really is.

But magic is not an exact science, there are always personal factors. Well, like me. I'd guess other people have unique potential as well. From what I know, vampires are all about personality and character.

>>18723216
>Every member of a species will behave one highly specific and arbitrary way, and if you disagree you're just a mundane normy
lol, k

>>18723211
How many adult, tall people can appear out of nowhere in a silent night, move without a sound and see you while you are hiding in the dark after you did a vampire ritual? Please explain me that. You can't.

>>18723216
>But magic is not an exact science
This is the problem with you old world spiritualist "wooooooo, spoooooky" amateurs. If you actually applied consistent, logical study to your craft, you'd be a hell of a lot further along than you are now. But sure, yeah, keep up with this "muh personal magic" shit. Modern practitioners are the ones making all the advancements and money, but yeah, sure, your method is the "real path!" and the rest of us are just uninformed mundanes.

>>18723227
>Can't explain it? MUST BE A VAMPIRE!!!
I'm not saying there's nothing supernatural happening, I'm just saying that slapping the label "vampire" onto it when the answer could be a hundred other things.

>>18723239
Do you have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old? I made it clear that this happened connected to the rituals and actions about vampires. And that person also had traits that are typically associated with vampires.

What else was it then? A fucking skinwalker?

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>>18723227
>vampire ritual
>thinking they'll show up like a good doggie because a mortal did a ritual

>>18723216
>>18723223

The human side organization is led by one person, then there's a second in command. It's not necessary that everyone in the community really know this, they probably don't make that much noise about themselves. My guess is that you won't even know about them unless they want you to.

In a community run by a few individuals with occult powers, they influence a lot, their character defines how things function. This means what you see as principle may actually come from the power of another person. Science cannot be used to navigate here, what you wrote down as fact may only be true as long as that person is the leader.

>>18723234
>If you actually applied consistent, logical study to your craft, you'd be a hell of a lot further along than you are now. But sure, yeah, keep up with this "muh personal magic"

see
>>18723257
>This means what you see as principle may actually come from the power of another person.

>>18723251
Could have been, I don't know, but there's nothing to compel a vampire to show up just because you did a fucking ritual. If I say your name while inside a circle, and sacrifice a goat while dancing naked around a bonfire, are you just gonna show up? No, of course not, because that's retarded. You'd need specific, targeted, *professional* ritual magic to specifically target and attract a vampire, unless you think an immortal supernatural being just goes through the decades without picking up any defenses along the way.

Just because you're dealing with the paranormal doesn't mean you should abandon common sense and logic.

>>18723256
Someone was there and it was not a normal person. Unfortunately I have to say (in that moment) it freaked me out so much I ran away.

>>18723257
>Science cannot be used to navigate here
Except it objectively can. Ambient influence can be countered easily with wards, and that shit's not even expensive. I agree, trying to conduct an experiment in an area where your observational abilities are compromised is a terrible idea, yes, but that's why research facilities are built on top of ley lines, with automated cleansing to constantly dump energy out of the facility. At that point, even a fucking demon lord would have a hard time messing with reality, and they'd sure as shit set off alarms while doing it.

This isn't the stone age anymore. We don't have to rely on intuitive and spirit quests to figure these things out.

>>18723268
>If I say your name while inside a circle, and sacrifice a goat while dancing naked around a bonfire, are you just gonna show up?

It would sure send some sort of message. If you're a spirit, lesser things would do to attract your attention. Just drawing something on the ground with a stick normally is enough.

Non-physicals are pretty obsessed with this stuff.

>>18723269
>Someone was there and it was not a normal person
Must be a vampire then!

>>18723268
>>18723286

Then please tell me what happened that night and who that person was. I went there a lot of times and nothing like that ever happened. That night I sat down and went through some of the stuff I was supposed to read (about the origins of vampires, speculations, cain) and I notice a TALL PERSON standing across the place.

And the only reason why I noticed him (or her, couldn't make out) because they made a loud sound on purpose with their feet. They looked exactly where I was but they couldn't know I was there because I came from the other direction and sometimes humans walk around that area and they never see me, they are often startled when they come close enough to see me which is like 1m.

So while I was reciting the phrases about vampires in my mind I see that this person in the silent-as-fuck night appeared and I only noticed them because they made a loud sound while staring towards me while I sat in darkness far enough away. Just staring me down middle of the night in a remote area on a week day.

>>18723269
What the fuck is wrong with you? You did a ritual, it "worked", and you run away?

>>18722148
whats interesting is their seems to be post and pre stoker vampires. in the 1800s and early part of the 1900's vampire stories are more like zombie stories, and vampires are more like barely sentient demon possessed corpses that feed on the living. after stoker, vampires tended to be more human, more interactive. on x tho vampires all seem to be like something out of a jack off twilight emo girls wet dream. however the thot of a possessed corpse, just angry and hungry, you cant talk to it, you cant kiss it while it sparkles in the sun, it cannot turn into a bat, its a moving dead body lol is more scary then a genteel blood sipping diva. its also more scary then someone saying they can drain ppls energy. I would luv to see some of these people saying "I want to get bit" wake up to the smell of rot and formaldehyde and a broken corpse smashing its way through their window for a late night snack. that would be better then the two girls one cup reactions back in the day lol.

>>18723302
I don't think you have any idea how scary something like this in reality. We can talk a lot online but if you are actually confronted in skin and flesh with something that could be a supernatural creature believe me you would be terrified.

Or maybe I'm just a coward, but I felt very awkward and unwell.

>>18723310
your not a coward, I would have run screaming and praying, anyone who says they would not have been scared is either retarded or lying.

>>18723297
>Then please tell me what happened that night and who that person was.
I don't know. There are plenty of things it could have been, but without more info I'd have no way of knowing. Don't get me wrong anon, I'm not trying to mock or degrade you, I'm just saying, assuming it must be a vampire just because you don't know for certain what it is is a bit silly, isn't it?

>>18723302
Unless he had some wards set up, that was the smart thing to do.

>>18723316
>>18723310
If it happened out of nowhere, sure, but if you accomplished exactly what you set out to do and then ran away, why do it in the first place?

>>18723279

I think you underestimate how much these individuals influence. They've literally been here since before the modern human race and they've played a role in forming it. Science in the modern sense will make some experiments and set this as princples, then try to repeat it in other settings. The issue here is that you have no setting outside of their influence on this planet. The "wards" you create may even be based on the things they let you know about, meaning it only removes what they want you to remove.

Science is blind to the entities their work relies on. Someone else may simply say all science study the creations of God. A lot of things do fall into place one you relate the things you observe to a person rather then just principles, even if you don't call this person "god."

>>18723316
Thank you.

>>18723327
It's simple, I overestimated myself. In my mind I was brave enough to just walk up this person or investigate.

But when something really occurred I was overcome with fear. Fantasy and reality are two different things I guess.

>>18723327
adrenaline, fear of danger, same thing as why Google mind has a kill switch I guess. Its interesting to experience or experiment with the unknown, but the second it becomes unsafe or u could get hurt, yah, run like hell. however, doing so is the persons choice. I am saying, I totally would. However, running away and being scared are 2 different things. In that situation, I totally admit, I'm not going to feign bravery, yah, I would run scared like a frightened bunny.

>>18723328
ya the post stoker vampires. the ones back in the 1800s were more into rising from the dead and eating entrails then global domination and drinking blood from crystal wine glasses.

>>18723328
Aaand you're off on the pseudoreligious spiritual rant about MUH ELDER POWERS!

Yes. It's theoretically possible that our reality is being controlled by elder deities. It's also theoretically possible that the flying spaghetti monster is directing the illuminati to make Disney movies. But in both situations, I'll wait until we have some solid evidence to back up the idea.

>Science is blind to the entities their work relies on
Science is a process, a series of steps. I included a helpful graphic for you, to help remind you about your days in 2nd grade science class.

Look, when it comes down to it, you can argue about the true form of things and the purity of magic or whatever all you want, but at the end of the day, there's a reason that the largest advancements in magic are being made in corporate laboratories, not at basement ritual sites. Just as with every other part of human life, applying the scientific method has helped us advance and gain power over our environment. You can make all the appeals to uncertainty you want, but I'll stick with the people who are actually getting results, thank you, pseduo religious spiritualism be damned.

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>>18723362
Damn it, forgot the graphic, and my snark is undermined because of it.

>>18723362
>>18723371

Scientific method is not the same as modern science in itself, as a community. Even if you don't think there are any "elder powers" you're still sitting on the lap of commercialism and multinational corporations, they fund what they want you to do. That's a very personal restriction still. If you were to go into a conspiracy thread (or /pol/) they could tell you exactly WHO is restricting your scientific advancements from a normal overday person's view. You're still limited by people rather than principles.

>>18723362
I'm never gonna say this again, but I read up on whats known about Neolithic religious beliefs and came up with a spell to make myself prettier and it worked. guys jack off to my pics, they picture me super cute n hawt, release energy thinking of me pretty, I collect this energy with a ritual, it makes me prettier. a lot more to it then that, but I mean, I got this idea from scientific research, not the occult or new age books. right now I luv being anonymous sooo much u don't even know.

>>18723404
Guys jack off to all kinds of pictures, it really doesn't take magic or effort to make men have degenerate thoughts about females. You could even be fat as fuck and still get plenty of attention.

>>18723390
I know that research is limited by what corporations will fund, but there's benefits to the corporate money too. Without the corps we wouldn't have virtual or automated magic, we wouldn't have such low risk summoning, we wouldn't have working geometric warding, and humanity literally would have been wiped out by "Grey Flu" (Flu 23-1128, grey flu is still a retarded name) back in 07 if it weren't for G&c's research labs, because you can sure as shit bet the government wasn't going to be looking into "demonic otherworldly fungus protiens" as a possible treatment vector.

I know the vast majority of "civilian" (non corporate employed, couldn't think of a better word) practitioners won't be affected by these things for the most part, and there arecertainly drawbacks to corporate funded research, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the benefits.

>>18723362

> there's a reason that the largest advancements in magic are being made in corporate laboratories

Red pill for a poor newfag pretty please?

>>18723484
A few corporations are willing to "red pill" when it makes them money, and they fund a fuck of a lot of magical research. 90% of the advancements in magical theory that have been made over the past 50 years or so were corporate funded. Surprise surprise, pretentious wiccans casting baby's first spell in their basement don't get as much done as Phd's at a multi million dollar research facility.

>>18723473
>"Grey Flu" (Flu 23-1128, grey flu is still a retarded name) back in 07 if it weren't for G&c's research labs,
Wut

>>18723473

I guess it depends on what you want to achieve. Take for example this hypothetical question, as we are in a vampire thread:

>What if immortality was found and proven real by corporate science, how would this be distributed to people?

I'm talking the real, non-killable semi-godhood type of occult immortality, being able to remain in interaction with the world indefinitely. Do you think this would be spread to the public, or kept hidden and given to a few choosen individuals?
Would the researchers themselves even want to spread this to others if they could use it on themselves before anyone else finding out, instead of risking to make a discovery and be cut off from the benefits of it?

>>18723520
To be honest I don't actually care about the name that much, but one of the guys I went to school with was the light thaumaturgical specialist on the research team that beat the flu, and he hates that nickname, so I always feel obligated to complain about it.

>>18723534
How is that any different from the ethical problems that "mundane" medical researchers face?

>>18722912
This so much!

You hit the nail right on the head. 99℅ of what you said is true.
But seriously anon, just say vampires instead of vampyres it just looks better. Other than that you're good.

>>18723568
>How is that any different from the ethical problems that "mundane" medical researchers face?

Immortality is a bit different from prolonging someone's life a little bit. Would you give this to just anyone, like you're treating a flu? Most people would think treating all illnesses is a good thing, and that it can be spread to everyone. Some want to make money from treating people.

Some argue that it's bad, that it's taking natural selection out of play and endangering our species. This last part even reached the mainstream discussion lately where some people warned that the widespread use of c-section is allowing for women with too narrow pelvic girdle to pass their genes on, making this defect more common. In the future, imagine a situation where a very high % has to use c-section during birth, and something happens that makes this technique unavailable. It could wipe out large parts of humanity.

With this in mind, I'm going to argue we are not likely to know about it if immortality by corporate science was discovered, so relying on it for this purpose is likely to be fruitless.

>>18723729
>Immortality is a bit different from prolonging someone's life a little bit.
Yeah but medical science is getting close to immortality too. An experiment done at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies reversed the aging of human cells implanted inside a lab rat, cloned organs are getting more and more feasible every year, and modern stem cell injection therapy can make you heal grievous or seemingly untreatable injuries over the course of a few *days*. Days, not weeks. We're not there yet, to be sure, but mark my words, they'll have achieved commercially available biological immortality before 2050, and that's assuming those of us at the less mundane side of things don't find some way to speed up that progression.

And yeah, I agree, there are some huge moral issues here, and I sure as shit can't personally tackle them, I just think you dramatically overestimate the power of magic compare to modern science. There's a reason society advanced with technology rather than magic, and yeah, advancements in magic are making it easier and easier for "duds" like myself (and 99% of the human race) to use magic, I still don't think it's likely magic will ever overcome or replace mundane science. I'm sure it'll augment it, and it's helping us advance technology faster, but I don't think it'll be circumventing science any time soon.

Ultimately I think these are ethical dilemmas that all researchers face, not just people in my line of work. Is that a cop out? Yes, probably, but I'm an engineer, not a philosopher.

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How will vampires feel when science makes almost all humans immortal and also improves their strength/speed?

Gonna be real awkward that humans get all the pros of vampires without any of the cons.

These supernatural/magic threads have been getting confusingly scientific lately.

>>18723568
I didn't care about the name at all, I'm just wondering what the fuck about everything. Magical diseases? Corporate researchers? Scientific magic? I've never heard of any of these things.

>>18723774
>I just think you dramatically overestimate the power of magic compare to modern science

I already explained my main issues with modern science in my previous posts, so lets leave it at that.

To put it onto 2 points
>science hasn't even admitted the use of occult methods openly, rather the topic is ridiculed, how could this ever be spread in the near future when it hasn't in 100s of years, it will still be unavailable to most

>science is for the use of mankind as a species, while spiritual enlightenment and immortality by such means are of the individual, this seperates the practitioner from the ordinary humans because it means leaving the issues of life, death and the need for a new generation of your family - tl:dr you'll be in your 20s forever and never mature either

>>18723853
>science hasn't even admitted the use of occult methods openly
Yeah, but that doesn't mean it isn't used, and that doesn't mean we don't benefit from it. To pick out a recent topic, we wouldn't have cracked quantum computing without it. Half the shit that gets done in my lab is using paranormal methods to conduct "mundane" experiments, and translating the results of those experiments into totally mundane experiments that can be reproduced in other labs. Whether or not mainstream science acknowledges it irrelevant, the research gets done anyway.

>spiritual enlightenment
Is an objectively observable phenomenon that we can quantify and reproduce. Monasteries do it all the time. If somebody took the time to study and break it down, we'd be able to do it faster and more efficiently than any religious sect or cult on the planet. It's just a pattern of thought, nothing more.

>>18722148
If you are going to eat a sandwich, you would just enjoy it more if you knew no one had fucked it.

>>18723886
>It's just a pattern of thought, nothing more.

This part is wrong.
It's true that it can be observed that way, but spiritual enlightenment also involves your body when you reach an advanced stage. If you manage to interact with a dead person's spirit, or any other non-physical entity, you'll find that they have bodies too. Most look similar to humans, they have the same basic body parts. So this means the body is part of the spirit and not something seperated from it, even if the human flesh seems to be.

Understanding this is crucial to understanding immortality. In eastern practices bundled together under the term "qi gong" and in taoism, the main theory on an advanced level (beginner level being to heal your illnesses) is the replacement of your human body's cells with a different kind of material particles. This - to give you and any lurker an idea- means your physical body is no longer seperated from your spirit, and it's maintained based on your mind, like the bodily form of a ghost is maintained in a human like form after death. Instead of becoming a ghost who can't interact with the world, real vampires are physical "ghosts" with full bodies, this is what we call "undead."
They can interact with the world, they can assume minor injuries but they won't be deformed and they won't die. So becoming immortal is dependent on the stability of your mind, which though reproducable by other individuals still cannot be achieved by external means. What comes from a person's free will, will have to come from the person him/herself.

If you were to counter this by saying we can mind control people in detail, then I'l have to ask you who would do the controlling, and why? Instead of using this for immortality, you could just make people feel happy no matter what they experience, and you wouldn't need to fix anythign else. Illness, short life expectancy, starvation, war... none of this would matter if people still felt happy about it.

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i want to be a vampire ;_;

>>18722243
Dracula is eternal.

>>18724984
We're looking at this from totally different standpoints. You're viewing this from a pseudo religious "spiritual" standpoint. I don't particularly care about what different religions and monasteries think about it, I just know that there's no pattern of thought that you couldn't implant into another person. I realize that what most cultures consider enlightenment is a number of different mental, physical, and sometimes metaphysical properties, but people who reach that state get there with repeated mental and physical exercise, something that can be quantified and theoretically even forced onto a person. As for who's doing it, I'd assume anyone with the means and motive would.

You fags are arguing about vampires. Are you serious?

>>18724984
Also, you seem to have some misconception about what a ghost is: ghosts, except in highly specific circumstances, shouldn't actually be considered to *be* the person whose death created them. I'm not an expert on the subject, but to paraphrase a BFSc paper from 2012 that compiled and analyzed the results of several different studies, most test subjects (ghosts) show deviance in several parameters compared to the person whose death created them, the most telling of which were memories of "their" life (memories the ghost could actively access correlated directly with the events surrounding, and the thoughts during, the time of their death) and sensitivity to personalized ritual objects (note that this study involved creating multiple ritual items and foci that were tuned to specific patterns of energy inside their body, such as beta and gamma wave patterns in the brain, baseline vital energy, specific memory correlation, and a few others).

The exceptions from this were all examples of magical practitioners who were outside their body at the time of their body's death, becoming a separate entity (or the same entity, but wounded, depending on how you want to classify that), though those subjects often showed signs of mental trauma, which is theorized to be caused by the knowledge of their death and possibly some kind of feedback from the death of their body, although the latter claim seems to be purely speculative.

All in all the paper concluded that ghosts are most likely an "energy footprint" left behind during the death of a human, which makes sense. Consider how any direct practitioner's spell works: it's an exertion of human willpower fueled by some kind of energy sacrifice, typically energy from your own body, but animal sacrifice is also common. So, in a moment of death, a human's will is often focused greatly on one particular problem, fear, or situation, and as they die, the death of their body isn't that much different from an animal sacrifice.

>>18726103
As opposed to others on the board, who are arguing about equally improbably shit.

I'm sorry, have you been helped?

>>18722243
He isn't actually called dracula, and "alive" is a really loose term, but yes, kind of. He hasn't been active since the 1920's so far as anyone knows, so he's probably sleeping away a few centuries. Boy is he gonna be spooked when he wakes up.

>>18726098
>We're looking at this from totally different standpoints.
>>18726116

Yes we are. I'm trying to explain my own experiences from trial and error in a way that can be comprehensible for other people who didn't have these experiences and who didn't see and test what I did. I can't take it too far because of the issue of "no evidence", so I can understand if it sounds like "pseudo religion" but this is all I have conceptually.

I can see why scientists would draw the conclustions they do, but it IS limited, and limiting, to be bound by that framework.

I don't want to make this about me, because of the nature of my experiences, what I would claim if I was completely honest and the full impact of the conclusions I've drawn. It doesn't work to present them here, or anywhere else in the open with the way society works now.

The "energy footprint" idea is quite widespread in the lighter occult sphere, such as people engaging in healing sessions for money, finding lost objects, exorcising spirits etc, it's a convenient concept but it's just scratching the surface. But I'll have to admit even the people we are really talking about here- vampires - even the real ones, if you can accept the claim they do communicate with outsiders, they still don't have any clear concept of what happens with the human soul after death, if reincarnation is real or not, or if there is a god. They're open to the possibility but it seems even in their long life they have not experienced anything that would back that up in any clear way.

I have, however. Reincarnation is real, it's possible to trace were a person went after death. If other people can see auras or sense where lost objects are, this is a beginning step. With increased sensitivity all kinds of things can be traced based on their energetic signature, even the soul of humans and domestic animals like pets.

I know there are people deeper in the occult science sphere who also know this.

>>18726223
cont.

I'm aware of their work, because anything this big, when it's done it leaves some quite visible energetic traces, not to mention a constantly active spell or function. It's like a powerplant or engine constantly running and it's impossible to not sense it if you're very sensitive to these things.

>>18726223
>because of the issue of "no evidence", so I can understand if it sounds like "pseudo religion" but this is all I have conceptually.
That right there is one of the limiting factors of lab work, and one of the biggest problems we face today, and simultaneously one of the greatest arguments for and against a scientific approach to magic: there are some things a traditional practitioner can do that we can't replicate in a lab environment, and there are some things that we can't objectively quantify *yet*. If you decide to TL;DR this, it can be summed up as "the observational methods used in magical lab settings are in some situations inferior to those of a traditional practitioner using their magical sense."

To use the example of what you brought up, if you asked a traditional magic practitioner what the easiest way to tell if a ghost is or is not the same person whose death caused it's creation, they'd say to just look and see if there's a soul. Seems obvious, right? And plenty of our resident practitioners could just look and see, the problem arises in how subjective magical practice tends to be. Even if you take two students who were raised together, trained under the same teacher, and went to the same schools, they both might "look" at the same situation very differently. I may know that the sample in front of me is 50 joules of kinetic force suspended in a silicon crystal matrix, but if you ask those two practitioners to describe it from an intuitive sense, they'll often fall back on using synesthetic terms likening it to color or temperature or texture, because the english language (and the human mind, to a degree) lack the terms to express some of these things. For this reason, experiments in magical practice are usually designed to remove the subjective aspect of human observation as much as possible, which is done by automating the observational process and using data from the computers, and analyzing that instead of subjective observations.

>>18726223
>>18726487
This only becomes a problem when we don't know how to actually observe something with a computer, which is the case with human souls. Typically when we're observing this kind of thing we'll used a directed lens ward (not a traditional "wall" ward, but a small aperture ward that collects information by resisting whatever energy you're resting for and using that sample to collate a data set of whatever is being observed), but we can't actually do that with souls, because we can't trap a soul. We *should* be able to, by all rights, but you can't collect samples with an aperture, and you can't observe it by any method reliant on directly perceiving it, you can only know it's there by the effect it has on the energy and matter around it.

So while a traditional practitioner could have looked at the hypothesis "Ghosts are a collection of memories and energy left over after the death of a being, and do not represent the person whose death created them," and they'd just say, "Yeah, fuckface, they don't have a soul, do they?" at which point magical duds like me would get annoyed because we've yet to find an observational method to perceive the soul.

This illustrates one of the biggest issues in current lab practice: there are some things we can't mechanically observe yet, so as with "mundane" science, the progression of the field is limited by the sensitivity and capabilities of observational instruments.

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this conversation

>>18726569
kek, do you know where you are?

>>18726569

What a meme post. Are you trying to be a fucking normie or what?

>>18726613
how about you start sucking my cock kid

>>18726625

I'm probably twice your age.

>>18726487
>>18726493

I have nothing to object. But it feels like this discussion won't get any further here.

This is a "probe" question for you:
Do you know of anyone in your field who may have developed a method for controlled reincarnation? This is far off from the basic research you are describing, but I know things like this are in use. It means, in short:
>being able to trace and locate a person's soul after death
>using an external system with a function like a wall or a net to guide the soul into a certain area
>force reincarnation within this area of society, with an accuracy enough to keep the person within a specific family line and economic sphere

These things are huge and can't be ignored. When I posted about this before I've had nervous questions about how I know this. My reply that I sense it usually satisfies them, so I'm assuming this is something known, but hidden, and someone is worrying about information leaks. If you have no idea, this means there are seperated layers of research and you're not being given access to the real stuff.

>>18726662

You're the kid. Now fuck off my /x/

>>18726679
No one knows what happens to a soul after death, and if they say they do, they're lying. Throughout all the research the corporations (and formerly the US government) has done, no confirmed example of reincarnation has ever been found. You find plenty of people claiming to remember past lives, but none of them are substantiated, and many of them can be directly disproven if the claimant will consent to being studied, because you can look at how memories form.

Not saying reincarnation can't happen, but in almost 70 years of people trying to prove it (probably a lot longer than that, I'm just going back to the oldest case study I'm aware of), no one has yet.

>>18726707
I've had a past life so shut up. You're gay.

>>18726714
Aw... Did I offend the snowflake with some reality?

Either way, I'd remind you that I didn't say it's impossible, just that it's yet to be proven or even strongly supported.

>>18726780
It's been proven to me that it's real and that's all that matters to me. Someone I met in my past life promised to meet me in this life and we met.

>>18726798
>said every schizo ever

>>18722148
>Where does the belief come from that you need to be a virgin to become a vampire?
An anime called Hellsing.

>>18723189
...goddamn, anon.
That's me and I'm no vampire.

>>18727419
No, humans can't do that.

>>18727421
I think so too, but my peers seem to say all of the above about myself.

>>18727421
You haven't met the right humans then. I know a neo pagan practitioner who learned how to bounce sound back inwards around himself, so he could move fully silent. Hell, there are plenty of cops (and criminals) who know how to move silently.

>>18727658
It was at night in a remote area with stone ground. I hear steps from people all the time even if they walk slow and carefully. I was very attentive and there were no sounds in the middle of the night.

But even if it's a person that walks super silent that's still very odd and also doesn't explain what they were doing there, why they saw me (while I was hiding in a dark spot) and stared me down.

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I live in washington incase any vamps are close by that want to turn meh

>>18727684
Are vamps known for hanging out in washington? Is that just a "cold blooded politician" joke?

>>18722148
A biologist in another thread said a few biologists are looking to create vampires can he or anyone else here that knows explain more about how they're trying to do that?
>http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18540252/#18550820

>>18730089
it's nonsense some fags cant create vampires

>>18730089
I'm betting he's referring to the bloodline experiments in Germany. They haven't publicly announced (or privately disclosed to other academic institutions) their overall work methodology yet. The only thing I know about it is from talking to an RA who worked on the project while we were both drunk the night after a lecture event at Cambridge.

To put it most simply the goal of the project seems to be to isolate, extract, and implant into mammals specific genetic sequences taken from samples of vampiric tissue (note that we're talking about the immortal, inhuman, nocturnal predatory race and the humans they've shared their power with, so we're not talking about "vampiric" mortal magical practitioners who use their power to steal energy or life). The project hasn't really gotten anywhere (at least it hadn't when I talked to this kid last year) because they've largely been taking a purely biological approach, which won't really work because of the dramatic internal energy difference between an "elder" vampire, a human-vampire convert, and a normal, healthy human.

Sorry I can't give you more, but as I said project details aren't publicly disclosed, and we were drinking heavily while talking about it, so I've probably forgotten some things.

>>18732047
Thats really interesting. I would totally sign up for that experiment. I dont really care about immortality though vampirism as a complete cure has always fascinated me

>>18732484
I sincerely doubt they're doing trials with human volunteers, as there really isn't much need to use a whole human when you can just use tissue samples. If they figure out how to actually make it work they'd likely start on limited human trials, but it wouldn't be a public call for volunteers.

>>18732047
>implying anything in Germany happens that's not about giving away women to refugees

>>18732517
Get back to your containment board
>>>>>/pol/

>>18732534
that's just the truth of living in germany i bet you dont even live here faggot

>>18732549
And I bet you don't spend a lot of time in research labs.

Regardless of what you may think about the political climate, there's still a healthy academic culture in Germany, especially when it comes to medicine and engineering.

>>18732561
they will vampire powers to refugees

I just wanna sniff a vampire's feet and ass. Anyone know this feel? If she bit me and turned me into a vampire, I'd do it all night long.

The description of how it started its fucking amazing on Anne Rice book Vampire Lestat, i wonder how she got that ideas