Hypothetical Question: Everyone In Hell Is Already Dead So What

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>>18664700
Hell doesn't exist in the bible. the concept of hellfire/sheol/etc. is used in the bible to explain the 'second death' or a state from which even god will not salvage you from. Dead people can be brought to heaven by god, or rather paradise. Everyone who god sends to "hell" is more accurately just being killed without any hope of ever waking up to an after life.

God is saying "into the trash it goes."

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>>18664700

In the biblical sense it's only described as a great darkness and separation from God.

It doesn't sound bad to a lot of people because they haven't had a real disconnect from God yet, despite their atheism.

>>18664752
That sounds fucking terrifying. A total loss of any sort of spiritual conciousness like perma-death in a video game, but without the ability to start all over again. What a waste of a sentient being's soul...

>>18664892
not that big of a deal. just abyss. you wouldn't know your dead because... youre dead.

>>18664892
>>18664835
>>18664752

this is literally my biggest fear and it fucking keeps me up at night sometimes. fucking oblivion. no conscience thought. Like being put under anesthesia permanently. I can't stand it bros. I can't fucking stand the thought of oblivion. I fucking NEED there to be an afterlife, but I'm not necessarily religious. I'm just scared of the fucking darkness.

>>18664835
Being in God's desktop recycle bin alongside every other reject in existence doesn't seem too different from the lives many lead on Earth today.

>>18664700
absence of god

according to the bible, all good things of the world are what's called god's "common grace"

in hell, all of that is removed

nothing is enjoyable or pleasurable, and only misery is left

for eternity

>>18664911
Right!? I'm having a mini panic attack right now just thinking about that shit.

>>18664924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62C5_wlYXqA

>>18664930
Well you wouldn't think about it if you were experiencing it. Technically there wouldn't be a "you" to think or experience. I'd take solace in the fact that you'd be without conscious

>>18664911
You wouldn't have a conscious to realise that oblivion to begin with
It'd be like before you were born.
Were you really afraid of anything before you were born ?
I don't think so

>>18664994
>>18665022

Yeah but that's my point. I don't WANT to return to a state of nothingness. I LIKE existing. Obviously I wouldn't give a shit either way while being dead, but the point is I don't want to die and have no afterlife.

>>18664994
I guess my natural instinct to fear death and do everything in my power to prevent it from happening to me extends to life after death.

>>18664700
My thought is that we are already in hell, or at the very least purgatory

>>18665060
I see nothing wrong with that
Life is fun so obviously we would want some kind of continuity (for now)
When people get older this changes significantly

>>18664892
I hope there is an afterlife too. I seems so wasteful, to be granted an existence where you can accumulate experiences and knowledge and have all that return to dust and ultimately mean nothing

The dead in Hades contemplate their impending Judgement and wail over there being no more hope for redemption.

Read Enoch and Esderas...please

>>18665799
NOT CANON!

>>18666041
They both were suppressed anon...

Enoch is the total and pure truth from the Most High himself...

>>18664911
>>18664930
same

I never had these kinds of thoughts or stopped to even think about my mortality or the fact that I'm going to die some day until I came down with life crippling disease about two years ago. Ever since I've had to stare that shit in the face I've been living every day in a state of near constant panic and anxiety about the fact that none of this is permanent and we could all pass away at any moment.

I mean yeah, no shit we wouldn't care once we're dead but that's not the point

>>18664700

God doesn't let you understand that you're in hell so you never get used to it or realize its pointless, you probably think it's your normal life for most of it because he's a sadistic fuck like that

>>18664700
Well...we are in hell...just then it makes sense...and now ..how we life...decides..if we go to heaven or our souls will be stripped naked and start this shit again until every single on of us gets it.
That is why the world is getting worse..because materialism and all that shit brings people more and more away from heaven

>>18664752
Just looking it up quickly

>But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

>and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

>“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

>If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Makes it sound like there is a Hell and not just stopping to exist.

>>18664911
>>18665060
To be honest I'd rather stop existing then suffer for an eternity in Hell.

Makes me wonder how many people are Christians primarily because they don't want to risk going to Hell if it's real.

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>>18664892
>>18664911
I... actually wish I was made one with oblivion.
Too bad I'm probably gonna end up in some hell or purgatory.
I doubt God will be that merciful to grant me no afterlife or stop me from reincarnating/being immortal.

OP you have no conception of death

Death can mean many things beyond an exit

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>>18667594
but what if its hell inside of another hell?
and then they inject babies with little ufos so its hell inside of hell inside of hell?

>>18667481
the fire is eternal, but nowhere does it say the pain is

of course there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, you're being killed lmao

the only verse that I think supports eternal hellfire is the parable of the rich and the poor man?

in revelation they make it a point to mention that the torment of the beast, false prophet, and those who take the mark of the beast, will rise like smoke for eternity

so don't worship the beast, mkay?

I always imagined hell as a completely empty theatre where you are forced to watch your own life again and again.

>>18671271
>Wait for the porn to show up
>Beat your meat
I can live with that.

>>18671271
>tfw getting to browse long forgotten 4chan threads all over again

>>18664892
wow scary
it's not like you weren't experiencing this non-existence before your mom and dad put the thing in the thing

>>18664700
If you've ever had a bad trip you'll know what would make hell scary

>>18664700
Hell is likely infinitely worse than any mortal mind could possibly fathom. it is an absence of God. Of good, of light, of purity, leaving nothing behind except misery, darkness, and suffering. In a way, Hell is a lot closer to oblivion than one might think. Just eternal loss, and pain, reveling within darkness and having no knowledge of anything outside of this darkness. Not knowing, not truly existing. That is so much worse than any Hell, mortal kind could conjure up.

I'm terrified of The thought of Hell.

I pray often that I be named in the Book of Life.

I beg forgiveness for my sins...some of them have been very vile.

I don't want him to cast me from his presence on Judgement Day. It seems every day I do thousands of sins no matter how hard I try.

I want to have sex with every attractive woman I see.I am obsessed with the occult... I have hatred for my fellow man and a hundred other flaws in me that come out every day. It seems so hopeless. The only thing I hope is that it will be noted that I have always acknowledged God and Christ as the Sovereign rulers of all things...

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>>18664752
ahem

>>18671185
yep. thanks for remembering.

'And -- a certain man was rich, and was clothed in purple and fine linen, making merry sumptuously every day, and there was a certain poor man, by name Lazarus, who was laid at his porch, full of sores, and desiring to be filled from the crumbs that are falling from the table of the rich man; yea, also the dogs, coming, were licking his sores. 'And it came to pass, that the poor man died, and that he was carried away by the messengers to the bosom of Abraham -- and the rich man also died, and was buried; and in the hades having lifted up his eyes, being in torments, he doth see Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom, and having cried, he said, Father Abraham, deal kindly with me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and may cool my tongue, because I am distressed in this flame. 'And Abraham said, Child, remember that thou did receive -- thou -- thy good things in thy life, and Lazarus in like manner the evil things, and now he is comforted, and thou art distressed; and besides all these things, between us and you a great chasm is fixed, so that they who are willing to go over from hence unto you are not able, nor do they from thence to us pass through. And he said, I pray thee, then, father, that thou mayest send him to the house of my father, for I have five brothers, so that he may thoroughly testify to them, that they also may not come to this place of torment. 'Abraham saith to him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them; and he said, No, father Abraham, but if any one from the dead may go unto them, they will reform. And he said to him, If Moses and the prophets they do not hear, neither if one may rise out of the dead will they be persuaded.'

Luke 16: 19-31

>>18671802
aint that the fucking truth

>>18671370
Yeah, how about you're missing the point super hard? It's not about how I'll feel/lack feeling afterwards. I DON'T WANT IT TO GET TO THAT POINT. Like the other anon said, I like existing. I'd honsestly rather have there be a hell rather than the oblivion I think is waiting for me.

>>18672844
I prefer oblivion over eternal torment...

>>18672625
That story makes me think of Donald Trump. I wish he would stop caring about money making and use it for helping the needy on a massive scale. I really don't want him to be tormented for some reason. It's like he had this wealth and the power and could transform the world in the honor of God's name.

I know it is silly but I think these things...

I had a dream I was diving into the stars... and the deeper I went the closer I approached what appeared to be the shape of a man bound to the lotus sitting position. I dove straight and true towards the figure outlined in stars but containing none, an absolute silent and pure absence of light. The entity was as large as any galaxy I could fathom and exponentially grew in my approach. As I got closer the outlining stars began to disappear and I became overwhelmed in the most raw and pure terror ive ever felt. In that moment I saw that I was not diving on my own accord, but being pulled into it. I began to fight futilely against the pull of this magnificent monstrosity until I was face to non-face with the void as it was far beyond my power to save myself... I will never forget what happened next as this was the most terrified ive ever felt (even more than any of my near death experiences); a hand of white light grabbed my trailing foot and reversed the course of my descent. I woke screaming and sweating in bed to my SO holding me for dear life telling me it was all gonna be ok, giving me the synchronicity to see into myself on multiple levels.
I don't really feel like tellin yall about what I believe in or what ive done on this planet to earn whatever this dream was, but I do feel like mentioning that the abyss/void must only be reserved for those who deny themselves any and every chance to let light shine into their lives.

>>18664930
you could always repent and lead a better life and make it past this fallen world.

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>>18673202
its not that silly anon. i wish there was a better sense of altruism within the rich of this world too. not only would the world improve greatly, but many lives would be saved from being cut short by the consequences of poverty. there is no guarantee anyone will be saved from the gospel accounts though, even the believers. there are many scriptures that attest to this. so if you worry about trump's eternal habitation you should also worry about everyone that is alive or dead's fate as well. it would never end for you.

if that doesnt make you feel better
trump is small potatoes. he really isnt that rich in the world of capital and he cant really do much by himself. consider the money being passed around at all levels. a lot of it is faceless. would you worry about google and apple's eternal souls as well because of the allocation of their funds? nah.

what you really wish would change is the system.

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>>18664700
Think of it like this. God is good, right? Not only is God good, but God IS good, he is the source of all that is good in this world.

So when you reject God, you reject goodness itself, and you can't be in Hell while carrying the goodness of God with you, so that is ripped right out.

And what happens when you place countless humans into one area, and take away all compassion, mercy, temperance, and love? You get Hell.

How to not get to hell, easy mode.
>Research "The Meek Shall Inherit The Earth"
>Live by it, die by it
>Stop cardinal sins
>Start cardinal virtues
>The Seven Contrary Virtues which are specific opposites to the Seven Deadly Sins: Humility against pride, Kindness against envy, Abstinence against gluttony, Chastity against lust, Patience against anger, Liberality against greed, and Diligence against sloth.

>>18665060
I had a fiasco with these thoughts for awhile, got depressed, effected me so bad I felt comatosed in social situations and i would quake in fear thinking about the end. But I think its a part of growing, I actually got over it/came to terms with it after an expierience with magic mushrooms, no life without death revelation.