At the risk of coming off as a Eurocentrist, which I am not.

Recessive traits pop up in almost any culture with roots in indo-european genealogy.

>>18627278
Out of Africa is 100s of thousands of years ago, indoeuropeanism is tens of thousands of years ago. Enough time for fair skin and light eyes to develop through environmental exposure

>>18627278
>Let us speak of the out of Africa theory
Its bullshit. The theory that a bunch of advanced people spread all over the world (by sea) after their civilization vanished beneath the waves is better.

>>18627298

This is true, but then they would properly trace back. There are many cases where fair skinned, light eyed and red/blonde haired people pop up in cultures, and trace back to europe, for example. However, the cases in question do not properly trace, and share an elevated presence of a negative RH factor. This is important to distinguish.

>>18627317

Also not untrue, but the environments in question weren't exactly creating light skinned people naturally. Especially not when the traits in question tend to be dominated by the more populous traits in the area. Their tendency of these traits isn't entirely tied to a recessive trait either, as the most notable occurrences come from successful births being between those sharing similar blood factor values, as the opposing values have a tendency to cause births to fail. This is why these peoples have endured many genocides, because, until the modern day, attempting to breed them out of existence didn't work - they had to kill them. The mixed births too often failed. The renewed genocide via breeding them out of existence, in several instances, is only made possible due to medical advances that allow such births to succeed. What helps a couple suffering from this issue elsewhere, damns people like these in areas where there are long histories of murdering them or, worse, castrating the boys, and selling off the girls into one form of hell or another.

>>18627327

Why are you bringing Atlantis nonsense into this?

>>18627317
This is theory. Not fact.

>>18627359
>Why are you bringing Atlantis nonsense into this?
Because its not nonsense. Traces of these people show up all around the world both in mythology and as mumies and real life descendants. But they have no common point of origin. Because it doesn't exist anymore.

>>18627278
It's called interbreeding with other non-human Homo species, some of which have gone undiscovered in physical fossil records despite being present in human genome. The truth is, we "Homo sapiens sapiens" are not purebreed. There's more genetic variety between african tribes tha inhabit the foot of the same mountain than there is between one of those tribes and europeans. We have a fair share of Neanderthal DNA, of Cro-Magnon DNA, in some parts of Asia they even have Homo florensis DNA. Re-emergance of similar traits in unrelated people is bound to happen because of this interbreeding (ie. "White people" did not evolve just once. Rather, it reapeared several times thoughout human space and time.) This is something proven to occur to all sexual species.

>>18627364
you seem to misconstrue the definition of theory

>>18627278
People were traveling and trading since well before the Neanderthals went extinct. Of course you'll find random 'white people' almost everywhere. Sometimes it's genes that became dominant within a small ethnic group within a land, others are from much more recent mixing. The only people who did not migrate and trade and mix are peoples who have not thrived and are still lagging behind the rest of humanity.

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i dont think rh negatives are special at all

>>18627672
The what do you think of the possibility of more undiscoverd species of hominids?

Or that some of the hominids classified as the same species aren't actually the same, but divergent evolutions, like Neanderthals and Cro-magnon.

>>18627672

I'd agree with this to an extent. There's an interesting read that even the current head of Egyptology likes to quote about the races of man. It's based on the ancient Egyptian view of race that separated man into four distinct races or species, and then hybrids thereof. They referred to them as the "Rot" or red men, the "Namu" or yellow men, while "Nahsu"referred to black men and "Tamhu" for the white men. Anything beyond them were considered hybrids of the four cores.

This is not unlike later assertians than the Human species were hybrids of three cores: mongoloids, negroids and caucasoids, some more pure, some less so, with the note that actual purity likely no longer existed. Everything basically being a hybrid.

There have been additions to that that considered there were more than those core three, and, honestly, it doesn't seem unlikely. Though I realize you're speaking on some that goes much further, much older, than the three cores presented in more modern times. Not that people really accept even that concept these days.

That said, the only real problem with what you're suggesting here is the specific people's in question sharing similar traits in blood and visual appearance and their tendency to show up in particular areas of the world, not just 'anywhere'. Which is a bit different from blonde hair randomly showing up, as it's not really random at all, rather, it's consistent amongst certain peoples. Let's not doubt that these are traits that are showing up, but also let's not forget the consistent issue is linked to births that are successful versus those that are not. The white attributes in the areas aren't coming to surface every once in awhile, rather because the successful births are amongst those that share the similar attributes, especially in their blood, and failing when these traits are lacking without modern medical intervention. The actual reason they've stuck around so long in these non-white cultures.

>>18628849

Hence why we aren't talking about recent mixing, or travelers, but people that are actual anomalies from repeated genetic testing over the course of decades. People that consistently show up in the same places, in the same cultures, and despite being in massively separate areas of the world share similar attributes and elevated appearances of particular blood factors. Not as a recessive trait showing up once in awhile, but through actual issues breeding with people that differ from these traits and factors in times prior to modern medical intervention.

>what are recessive genes

>>18627278
Oh fuck the fuck right fucking off with this fucking shit you idiot.

>>18630749
Read. There is a distinction between what we are discussing and recessive genes popping up now and again in predominantly non-white populations.

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>>18630820

Are you upset about something anon?

>>18627278
Just freak mutations and unraceable recessive genes. Look up dark skinned people with very little european background having pasty blue eyed children. Next

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>>18631135

Interesting anon. What else do you have to say?

>>18627278
Anthropology is not /x/ you knob
take this shit to /sci/

op saw the thing on youtube that i did too it seems.

>>18631143
So white supremacist were right

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>>18631151

I take it you'd prefer we discussed Vril or the Black Sun?

>>18631160
>So white supremacist were right
Disproving a false theory doesn't make you a supremacist.

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>>18631152

Link? I'm interested.

>>18631160
>>18631184

Terminology like that is used sometimes, but usually when people don't like a particular finding they're more likely to ignore it than associate it with supremacists, really. Eurocentrism does get thrown around from time to time, but it's a rarity.

>>18631197
conspiracy theories are /x/
ancient advanced white people spreading all around the world and treaching nonwhites about architectures and agriculture and other things is well within /x/'s territory

>>18631213
$200?

>>18629018
The story of the Homo genus is one of a species that managed to go worldwide and speciate in less than 2 million years. Species like Homo florensis are proof of it. Then, around 500,000 years ago or so, the Homo sapiens became homogenous after a multiple belic conflicts with the second most diverse human, the Neanderthal. To this day nobody knows why Neanderthals became extinct if they were smarter and stronger than us, but that's another topic. In any case, the reason that the human species became homogenized was not only because of conflicts, but because we bred the fuck out of our distinct species. Some speculate that around 30 percent of our DNA is Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon, the later of which were known for being most probably very pale, blonde, and with clear eyes. I have no proof of it, but I have the hunch that the Cro-Magnon or some unknown relative were also the fabled Dwarfs from Nordic tales.

>>18630250

The term of "race" is very blurry. Some speculate that the unification of the Homo genus didn't occur until the 1700s, and that various tribes from South America, Australia, Africa and Polynesia were actually subspecies of humans. Some anon above already posted that, for example, some South American peoples were probably descendants of the Cro-Magnon. But it's hard to diferenciate the line between actual science and evolutionary racism, so the whole topic is a mess.

>>18627278
let us speak of you posting some fucking sauce for your claims
>it's all there just look it up yourself
nah

>>18631707
>evolutionary racism

That sadly is a factor. Both in terms of people that set out to prove, one way or another, that "______" happened, but also in terms of certain subjects simply being avoided because they're unpopular or touchy. Some old cultures are so ingrained in local populaces that finding out certain things about what they built on could be readily rejected, if not aggressively.

Such things highlight to me why it's so important to discuss such subjects. I'm not fond of being lead down a path that someone carved out toward their preferred answer anymore than I'm fond of seeing research and work denied because it's problematic.

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>>18631920
Noble endeavour, but hard to put into practice.

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>>18627278
Simple answer: Cro-magnon went from Ethiopia into multiple directions. Over the years they started to adapt to - in this case - Near Eastern & Middle eastern regions. A little further north, somewhere around the caucasus area they met Neanderthals and started living and interbreeding with them for 4000-6000 years in which the descendants of those Proto-Eurasians and Neanderthals claimed Europe. They also went Eastward to Central Asia where at some point in South-East Asia they met descendants of Cromagnons and Denisovans and interbred again. European DNA is scatterd throughout e.g. central Asia and south asia because the lived there in the past - e.g. Scythians.

Oh yeah and Cro Magnons were not sub-Saharan blacks. They originite most likely from Cro-Magnons who wandered south and interbred with some further developed Erectus version.

>>18632005
Forgot to add last sentence:
There was an out of Africa incident, but it was not todays, mordern sub-Saharan Blacks who left Africa and turned white, like the media and most biology teachers portray it. It was Cro-Magnon who left the regions around Ethiopia and who interbred with other close relatives/subspecies of the species Homo.

White skin, all those european eyecolors, 2nd high average world IQ, facial features - all those traits and others are directly inherited from Neanderthals.

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>>18631099
Nazis
I knew it

>>18631707
Cro-magnon were modern humans, and demonstrated behavioral modernity. There was virtually no anatomical, behavioral, or genetic difference in them and us.

>>18632253
and there's virtually no anatomical, behavioral, or genetic evidence to any of those claims anon. gain some critical thinking ability and wake up

>>18627278
>Let's discuss blue, green and gray eyes, as well as blonde and red hair, showing up in countries that aren't white,

k. they get stoned or sacrificed to whatever gods niggers worship.

>>18627278
all kids look whiter because melanine and pigmentation takes time to be produced to full extent

the girls picture are also statistical abnormality, berbers and yazidis people do not look like that

>>18631184
out of africa hasn't been disproved btw

>>18627278
My best guess as to why and how this could happen is some traveler to the non-white country decided to have a family there, and that left some recessive genes in the gene pool, which eventually showed up after the genetics worked just right.

>>18630258
And where is your evidence of this widespread phenomenon? You're just spouting off a massive assumption your part that likely came from misunderstanding some genetic research somewhere.

>>18633230
no u

> but I have the hunch that the Cro-Magnon or some unknown relative were also the fabled Dwarfs from Nordic tales.

So we are the fabled Dwarfs from Nordic tales?

>>18633292

Interesting choice with the Yazidis. White Yazidis are currently enduring their 74th genocide, this time at the hands of ISIS attempting to eliminate the white genetics by killing off all the white Yazidi men and boys, while selling off the girls and women as wives, while, yes, outright killing any of the women too old to breed.

The 74th genocide directed at white Yazidis. Not the first. Not the 74th in a year, ten years, fifty years or one-hundred years. Not even in the last 500 years. Traces of and references to people with fair skin, blue or green eyes, red or blonde hair? These go back in the area thousands of years, well before the terminology we currently use to refer to Yazidis existed at all.

Just so we're absolutely clear, 74 genocide spread out over a large span of time are not committed against the same people over and over and over again due to a rare abnormality. Yes, they are treated as abnormalities, rarities, in more than a few studies - certainly, and yet you do not record 73 genocides against people resulting in masses dead that should have more than wiped out the population of white Yazidis many, many . . . many times over, and expect no one to question why they still have numbers large enough to endure yet another genocide that already has an absurd body count to it.

The reality is that several non-white populations have this hard mainstay of white traits with similar blood factors and similar issues with tracing their origin, well beyond the Yazidis. Many of them have suffered slavery, separate genocides against them, and a great deal more and worse. The fact that there are lines of white traits in areas like these, at all, is amazing, yet they are lines, unbroken enough in some cases that we can trace them back in their given areas hundreds of years in some cases - speaking to the issue of recessive genes not being the issue, and supporting the issues with birth due to compatibility.

>>18633292

But niggers dont. They'll be born as niggers and die as niggers. Even Michael Jackson died like a nigger, too much meds, given by a nigger.

White is right.

>>18631099
>HOLD THE PHONE WERE WE ONCE ROYALTY AND SUCH?!

>>18633295
>out of africa hasn't been disproved btw
It hasn't been proven either.

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>>18631707
>Some anon above already posted that, for example, some South American peoples were probably descendants of the Cro-Magnon. But it's hard to diferenciate the line between actual science and evolutionary racism, so the whole topic is a mess.
If the aboriginals of Australia had died before the European arrived and left only their bones they would obviously have been classified as homo australiensis or something like that.

current human phylogeny is rooted in sub-Saharan Africa. it'd take some really unexpected genetic findings in ancient or modern populations to upset it

99% of the people who are currently against out of Africa are retards who have no clue about the subject (and usually white nationalists/supremacists). the other 1% is crackpot biochemists (let's not name names) who don't seem to understand genetics either

>>18627327
Well, it's more fun, it's not better.

>>18631099
Way to reduce what was and is a culturally universal symbol of good fortune to a 20th Western ideological fabrication.

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>>18631707
Cro-Magnons were a European people, essentially Caucasoid. In fact they are ancestral to modern Baltic-Finnic peoples. I believ you're thinking a people of Tierra del Fuego that have more in common phenotypically with Australian Aborigines than with other indigenous New World populations.

>>18627278
Weirdest of all is South Africa, how the hell did that happen?

>>18635378
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-out-of-africa-theory-out/

Out of Africa was the best theory for the evidence at the time. As we get more evidence, it's going to get a lot more complicated because evolution is pretty complicated. At one time, you'd be a crackpot to say humans could interbreed with Neanderthals, yet we have their DNA.

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>>18635588
In Tierra del fuego you have:

Yaganes, Onas and Alacalufes.

All of them look like darker Mongols.