Can someone tell me why remote viewing isn't bullshit?

Remember: "Prove [ topic ] is real" threads are troll threads made to get n00bs sucked into endless arguments, nothing more, nothing less.

>>18611274

how can anyone learn or pursue something (save religion) without proof.

People telling me they can see things with their mind just sounds like some cracked out schizo.

I WANT to believe, I like this stuff but I've always had a problem with this one. I can get into conspiracies but this one is something "people can do" as in it isn't obscured behind government bureaucracy or other limitations.

>>18611257
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000300420008-1.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/NSA-RDP96X00790R000100040010-3.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000300330001-8.pdf

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>>18611257
Help /x/ I want to remoteview the tits of a cute grill from my class.

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>>18612530

That isn't really proof though.

Many claim they can actually do it, if anyone can I would like to know, I can even do the little "target" thing and even if someone can get a vague guess that's close I'll give it some credit...

>>18611274
>Energy vampirism is real

Your all idiots for not suggesting the OP try it for himself. That is the best way to prove it's existence. It's insanely easy to do and in fact there even exists websites that will help you with training views.

>>18611305
If you don't believe then you don't have to, nobody owns you anything and have nothing to gain from making you believe

>>18613470

I WANT to, I'm into this stuff.

However I just need to experience some sort of proof instead of dismissing it completely.

Nobody has to tell me, nobody is ever obligated to answer anything, its just a simple request.

>>18613471
CIA released a whole bunch of declassified information that proved it's existence, even for highly skeptical normies. Probably a good place to start. There are websites out there that will show you how to do it, as well as give you simple tasks to try it out on. The first time i did it, (the first time i tried thats how easy it is) it blew my mind.

>>18613477

That's actually what got me interested in it. The fact that the CIA even gave it the time of day suggests it isn't completely bs.

What's the site/method you tried? How long did it take?

www.crypto.com/blog/psychic_cryptanalysis

>>18613481
http://www.greaterreality.com/rv/instruct.htm

It was instant, as soon as i relaxed and focused.

>>18611305
>People telling me they can see things with their mind just sounds like some cracked out schizo

If I told you to think of an elephant, could you describe it for me? Can you see it's enormous shape? Can you visualize its long trunk? Can you imagine it's gray, rough skin? It walking on all four of its legs? Big ears?

You're telling me, that because you can see this in your mind's eye, that you and I are schizophrenics?

Just a fun thing to do, sort of related to remote viewing. A good way to practice is to pick and object in the room and try seeing everything from it's perspective, like it has eyes. It's a good excersize.

>>18611305
I can try if you want.

The issue for me in remote viewing is that I never know who or what I'm looking at. Over the past 7 years I've had people tell me I described something only they knew of, perfectly (like the chances of it being mere coincidence were extremely low.), and I've had people tell me I bombed bigtime.

>>18613494
I assume it's just like anything else, the more practice you put into it the better you get.

>>18613488

By things I mean things that they shouldn't be able to see.

Anyone can imagine an elephant. Seeing something happening states away is what I'm talking about.

>>18613494

alright, what do I have to do?

I've seen the writing a target on a paper thing. I'll try something very simple.

>>18613507
http://www.greaterreality.com/rv/mcsa.htm

>>18613502
Sort of. I can never read words (unless they are huge, and even then it's a long shot.)

Imagine dreaming and your vision in the dream only being about half as good as your real vision. It has always been like that for me. It's so annoying that I actually have not done it very much the past two years.

>>18613507
May I have your first name or a nickname please? ( like a name you identify with. It helps.)

And I'm going to try and see the room you're in.

>>18613514

Even getting a rough estimate I would be entirely impressed.

Can I give you a target and you try to guess?

http://greaterreality.com/rv/moments-of-clarity.htm

Similar to this?

>>18613521

sure, its what I go by on a lot of forum sites. ^^^

(replied before I saw your new reply)

>>18613514
Rule of thumb, If you can see the image in crystal clear clarity than it's not real, its most likely your imagination. You can't read text/numbers in a dream either. Not sure if its the same for remote viewing.

>>18613503
>shouldn't be able to see
>Anyone can imagine an elephant
>Seeing something happening states away is what I'm talking about

But Anon, it's the same concept. You can "see" an elephant that is not in front of you. Why can you not then see a room full of government officials? See their papers? Their uniforms?

It's the same concept. Accuracy and specifics takes practice.

>>18613535
Imagine the universe itself is a camera into the past, present and future, every angle is recorded. Instead of accessing it with youtube and the internet, you access it with instantaneous transfer of information via quantum entanglement. At least that's what i think atm.

>>18611257
http://www.greaterreality.com/rv/instruct.htm
some are talented for that, some need to practice, try this test.

>>18613535
Because you know what an elephant looks like.

For example, I've been to the zoo, I can see the elephant in the zoo.

I've never been to Russia, I can't tell you what the inside of the Kremlin looks like.

Imagining from memory and imaging from "nothingness" seems like entirely different things.

Not trying to argue, just understand.

>>18613529
Ok.

I see who I assume is you. Horizontal striped shirt. Longish blonde hair, hazel eyes. You have the weird haircut with the sides super short and the top all combed over.

Seems like I'm in a living room. White brick fireplace. Wooden coffee table. The middle is glass. Underneath is books or magazines. I see a kitchen in the back. It has lots of blue on the walls. One of those silver refrigerators with two doors. At the counter are light brown, wood stools.

Ok. Your bedroom...I think I'm in a bedroom...Walls are white except one which is a darker color. Dark blue or dark green. Floor is carpet. The room itself is pretty small. Like a loft or something that was converted. I see a bed with a checkered or striped (criss crossing stripes) bedspread.

Across from it is a wooden desk with a bookshelf next to it. and a silver desklamp.

I actually don't even think this bedroom has a door. It looks like stairs just lead straight up to it. And connected to it is a small bathroom. Just a half bathroom. (toilet and sink.)


Annnd that's it. If I'm anywhere near the correct place, let me know and we can keep trying. I have not done this more than like...3 times in the past year.

>>18613555
Not quite, the eyes and hair color are correct though.

Would doing the "target" thing help? I have paper and markers here.

>>18611257
ive been trying remote viewing and still kind of torn if it's real or not. If no perfect results after a few more tries I might have to give up :/

i wouldn't mind giving it a try over 4chan if somone want's to give me a target

>>18613576
Same, the CIA taking interest in it brings me in, however I can't say with good faith if I think it's real or not. I have the potential to believe anything, however this one I'm stuck on. I would just like to personally experience the phenomenon.

>>18613570
Ehhh, no. If I'm not getting it...I'm not going to get it. I have to practice a lot. I just don't have time to do it again today.

We can try the target thing though, why not.

>>18613583
I've been doing targets I found online and literally every time I have some drawings really close. It's the most annoying thing because If I get even one exact drawing then I'm set for life believing it but it just won't give me it yet.

>>18613548
No, you see, even if you had never seen an elephant - the concept of one exists. Just by reading my description - you could imagine what one might look like.

The same could be said about the inside of the Kremlin. You know how buildings are constructed and what resides in them (typically decor: chairs, paintings, people, etc.)

Again, it's just about determining specifics and/or maintaining accuracy.

>>18613588
>>18613581

Alright, I have an index card.

RCET-OWNJ

It has an outline of an object on it, I can color it in if needed. The object is food and quite common.

>>18613591

Yes, but I mean, isn't it just what your mind creates?

How would it use details it doesn't know to create something, i.e. the presidents paperwork or something.

I know where the white house is, I know what it looks like but I could never tell you what the paper on the desk says because I don't know.

>>18613596
I'm only seeing a line, Like spaghetti or something. Maby the side of a pizza lol

>>18613596
I found it hard to focus on 8 letters, 4 is optimal for me i think. But it doesn't help i have a wife and 2 cats keeping me from relaxing with all the fucking noise.

>>18613614
>>18613610

Ah ok, I'll do another one, I figured a more specific address would be better.

The object for RCET-OWNJ is round, if that helps anyone.

>>18613596
im getting a doughnut

>>18613607
Have you tried to know/see? How do you know unless you try?

Also, verification is an issue.

I'd practice with friends or close ones. Have them hide things from your sight and try to see them beyond the veil - this way, you can test your accuracy when you get it wrong, right, close but not quite, etc.

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>>18613618
looks more stop sign shaped though

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>>18613618
Close at all?

>>18613621

Because that would imply our brain is capable of seeing things it has no knowledge of before hand which is seemingly impossible

>>18613626
could also be a burrito

>>18613634
>>18613626
am i close op the suspense is killing me bro

>>18613628
The universe is far more complicating than any of us could ever know my Anon friend. Did you see my explanation about quantum entanglement? It's likely the closest thing we will get to an answer for a long time.

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This is the RCET-OWNJ card.

If I did anything wrong lemme know.

While not quite, I can try another something.

I have another card that has:

KLRM

It is a solid shape.

>>18613643

Oh for sure, that's why I give this a chance...

I saw it, its a decent theory. Right now, I would just like to know if it works, I unfortunately may only be convinced if I can personally witness it happening where I'm somewhat involved.

If I'm convinced it works, I'll definitely be looking into it a lot more.

>>18613645
is it a circle/coin?

>>18613653
Its rectangular

>>18613659
paint brush or paint brush shaped?

>>18613666
can't say it is :/

>>18613659
I got jack. I've done it before so i know i can do it! Just not having any luck tonight apparently :(. Maby we could try with an actual object instead of a drawing? (After i eat, taking out lasagna from the oven now)

>>18613673
no problem, you're at least trying, which was all I was asking. The theory has potential IMO.

>>18613674
apparently the hard part is figuring out what is a legit perception and what is a random thought. I cant imagine being able to literally have no thoughts going on to even get to the point where remote viewing could happen

>>18613679
I can believe it. I can't even meditate desu... I'm always having random thoughts in my head. I haven't tried too hard though, I might look into doing it more though.

>>18613679
clearing your mind is the hardest part, i think meditation would help with that. When im trying to clear my mind, I picture a giant empty white room with nothing in it but one of those big industrial garbage bins, and every time a thought strays into that white room i stop it and toss it into the trash.

>>18613645
is klrm a keyboard or cell phone?

>>18613689
KLRM is an iphone, so I would say yes

That's a nudge in the right direction for me.

I'll try one more, without any hints at all, if anyone can get close I'll be convinced.

ANCR

>>18613628
You'd be surprised at what our brains are capable of.

>>18613703
>>18613689
ok ill try this one too

>>18613703
a fork?

>>18613716

mmmm in shape I could say its kinda close, its "long" with things sticking out of it.

Its not kitchen/food related though.

>>18613716
Maybe just throw some details about what you're seeing out.

Squinting my eyes I could actually see how you may see a fork, however in the middle there's some more to it.

Impressed though...

>>18613723
That's what i saw, i couldn't make out anything else. Like a squar with prongs on the end, maby a comb for long hair? It was a bit too large to be a fork, it was black as well.

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>>18613727
Here is my attempt so far. If you tell me a shape is close I can try and home in on it. If not I guess I'm bad

>>18613728
Would you be down to sketch it out?

I'm actually really curious about what it actually looks like from your end. Because that's actually not bad...

It's caught my attention to say the least lol

>>18613738
sure, let me grab some paper and a pen

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>>18613735
without training i dont get how you could ever get good at this i think of so much random shit lmao

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>>18613738
Paper doesnt seem to exist in my house so heres the back of a ritz box lol

>>18613735

The vacuum is the closest to it atm...

I would give more hints but I feel like it might influence a bit too much.

Try the vacuum shape but there's more to it.

It's all good if you're off though, in all honesty, it can certainly narrow it down, considering all the objects in the entire world and you actually got sorta close

>>18613757
lol that rits

ah, I can't say it is...

its thin, maybe looks a bit like a plus, if that helps you get closer.

>>18613758
cool this gives me slightly more confidence since I got the phone one too. I wish I knew what it supposed to feel like instead of it feeling like im just drawing the random shapes I see with my eyes closed.

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>>18613764
I still think objects might be easier for us beginners, 3D you know? But ill keep trying for a bit :P

>>18613766
This makes me think there's something to it, given all the shapes and silhouettes in the universe and people are at least close.

>>18613771

3D? Could you link an example object, I was going with silhouettes as they seemed maybe to be the easiest.

I can make another card, I'll head out after that though, gotta do some things but this has definitely been interesting to say the least, thanks for all that have tried!

>>18613774
Honestly, i think the results here in this thread from complete beginners has been an astounding success.

>>18613779
I was thinking just grab an object off you desk. Maby write a target on it or under neath it on some paper, and stare at it as well (Maby i can gleam what you see)

>>18613783
Yep, just narrowing it down has done it for me.

Alright, I have CRTY

its an object on the card

>>18613795
nice ganna try this one too to see if its any dif

>>18613795
I got nothing on this one. Just an X and some lines. Guess i need some practice, and perhaps a little less caffeine.

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>>18613795
Still trying but I need to eat real fast so might all be wrong. I read online if ur hungry it doesn't work so even if that's wrong I might placebo it into being real

>>18613820
I saw an x as well but didn't draw it

>>18613825
first thing that flashed up but i wasnt sure if it was just my imagination or eyes adjusting to being closed since it was so quick. this is the lines i see very faintly

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>>18613827
formatting fail. Well you get the idea.

>>18613795
i feel like its some sort of figurine like an action figure or ammiibo or something like that

yeah, i dont think im going to get anymore out of it right now. could you show us what it was?

This was fun, I think im going to try practicing more often.

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>>18613821
I keep seeing that bowl shape now

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Sorry, had to run out, here's what it was.

I can say I'm now interested and will be looking into it a lot more!

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>>18613890
you think i was kinda close? prob biased if I decide

>>18613894
>a fucking honda

Wonder were the hell the X came from than. hm. Oh well haha. Thank's for the fun , i think im going to try doing this way more often. Who knows, maby ill see some lotto numbers heh.

Time for bed! /yawn

>>18613898
You mentioned the bowl/drain, I would say it kinda gets the key handle down.

My whole thing is, of all the objects in existence, you're consistently not terribly off. I would say that's decent :)

>>18613907
Yeah it's looking more and more like it has to be real to me every time I try this shit. I feel like I'm just missing something to really get it.

>>18613924
Check out the CIA manuals for remote viewing, might have something in there you missed.

>>18613929
I pretty much just wing it every time I "try to rv". I guess I need to stop being lazy and give this a real try.

>>18613933
If you find the link, feel free to drop it in this thread. It probably wouldn't hurt for me to give it a read as well lol. But for now, I'm going to bed. gl anons

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So remote viewing confirmed?

>>18611257
People tend to show off, exaggerate. Sometimes they're crazy, serious crazy; but aren't we all to some degree, except some are stupid dangerous.

>>18613436
if you are not gonna believe CIA documents concluding the phenomenon real, you are too much a skeptic to be convinced of anything. You will immediately reject any evidence as not being "proof."

Newsflash: You cannot prove anything at all except that you exist, and only then can you prove it to yourself and yourself only.

Can I use remote viewing to winning at betting? I'm being serious, if you can remote view something through time then you're somehow able to see the future, correct? I ask because I want to know if it's worth it learning it or not. Thanks.

>>18611274
The people who say this shit are just a stone skip away from the Tumblrites who say everyone against SJWs are just basement dwelling neckbeards. Horseshoe theory, ever heard of it?

P.S. This entire thread is cancer. We got some faggot saying visualizing an elephant is the same as talking to demons and spirits, we got another saying everyone who rightfully wants proof the massive circlejerk that is /x/ is just a Newfag whiner, and just about every type of /x/tard basically saying "Proof? What're you a fucking retard?". Come on down kids and families, it's a shitshow with variety that which has never been seen

>>18611274
Want's proof
Must be troll amirite?

>>18611257
>>18613471
>>18613488
>>18613735
RV Teacher over the last 10 years here. True RV sessions take about an hour, the Stage 3 sketches are a rough 90 second sketch of the target, Stage 6 models or drawings can take up to 5 minutes.

Best tip is "Stop, with the thinking."

>>18615338
I legit don't trust the CIA, they can say whatever they want.

>>18617538
would you be able to do a target sometime?

Can someone remote view me? I'll be having my webcam completely covered up to see if I can get any good results.

I'm not being a smartass by saying "lol commat me faggots"

But I just really want to see how close one of you can get, impress me lads!

There's a girl I love very much, yet she lives far from me and is too self conscious to show me what she looks like. I'd like the ability to be able to see her from here so I can truly tell her I believe she's beautiful.

>>18618576

Actually, if one of you can tell me what's on my shirt (I will truly confirm if you were right or not.) then I'll be completely convinced.

>>18618580
There is a cumstain on your shirt

>>18618546
I'm not the guy you're talking to but I feel you on this. The CIA releases documents. Surely they're not just gonna say:

"Oh right, the people want our intelligence. Here it is!'

and just give them national security docs.

I reckon these remote viewing are red herrings that give the /x/ers of the world something to chew on, while hiding anything that could elude to something of value.

>>18618580
Fish of some sort.

>>18620007
It's a cumstain that looks like a fish, so you're both right.

>>18620033
Excellent. Hope you're a believer now I've proved unequivocally that I can see fish about your aura, bud.

>>18618576
Sorry Anon. The girl you actually love is a man/tranny.

>>18620033

Um. Why would you respond in my place? I've actually got a dog's face on my shirt, looks nothing like a fish.

No cumstain either, surprisingly.

Still a little bit weird you responded on my behalf?

>>18613723
Blue/dark purple hair pick ?

>>18613758
Electric razor ?

It works because you are bundle of feelings that may be assembled everywhere.

>>18611517
Oh is this all the crap that Uri Gellar apparently RV? because that man has been PROVEN a fraud, multiple times... Not saying RV is bull, posting a fraud doesn't help when people are asking for proof

>>18615338
>Newsflash: You cannot prove anything at all except that you exist, and only then can you prove it to yourself and yourself only.

So by your logic, my kids, car, house, animals, clothes and ANYTHING I see doesn't exist... except myself...

How are you going to RV anything if it doesn't exist? If nothing exists but you, when you RV the paper should be blank. Otherwise, your logic that only you exist is wrong.

Ever heard of the Large Hadron Collider? They can see molecules, atoms, particles, not only can scientist SEE them that proves they exist, they can also manipulate them. You don't even have to be a "scientist" to manipulate them.

It's always HILARIOUS when this RV crap comes up. If it's so true and "people can actually do it" then why when I say, ok remote view me then. I hear uh welll it doesn't work like that... No, it's not that it doesn't work like that, it's that it doesn't work period.

Stop lying people, go outside and SEE THAT THINGS BESIDES YOU EXIST.

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So i practiced this last night, usinf subjects from a website And I did pretty good actually, but wasn't too convinced. today i got my sister to draw a subject while I was upstairs, she had it hidden from my sight. then I came down. she gave her "subject" a name of 4 letters, told me the name so I could "connect", I tried to RV what she drew.

Left is what she drew. Right is what I came up with, no prior knowledge or hints about what she drew. I'm a little convinced. But still not sure how I feel about RVing.

>>18624290
I wanna explain a little bit.
Notice how the RV subject my sister drew has a pointy nose.
When I was drawing I had a feeling to draw one of mine, which I ignored.
I realized I shouldn't ignore anything that comes to me during RVing, so I added a sharp pointy nose of the left side of my drawing (right drawing) instead,
Which for the most part I would count as success for the fact that I had no hints, only the subject number (FGHM) she gave me.
I learned about remote viewing last night and it's intriguing af . This was my second attempt since last night. I wanna believe

>>18623249
They said nothing can be proven, not that nothing exists.

>>18623249

>So by your logic, my kids, car, house, animals, clothes and ANYTHING I see doesn't exist... except myself...

Potentially not, everything could be your dream taking place while your true body is in a comatose state. Our senses are merely electrical signals interpreted by the brain, and our brain has the capability of creating all of our senses as hallucinations. So you can't really prove anything, merely have an almost certainty that something does exist.

>>18618831
Correct

>>18613443
>dating a "energy vampire"
>whatever it's mostly sexual
>she fucks like a succubus actually wears me out
>starting to think it actually works
>tfw you start to doubt your scepticism