Oldest civilisations

>>18589686
The pyramids were actually created only a few hundred years ago by Hebrew scholars as a way to keep the middle east relevant on the world stage, and currently is a way for them to funnel archeological discovery money into their various money laundering schemes under the guise of "expeditions" where they sell off world Heritage artifacts to the highest bidder in exchange for influence over our media and politics.

>>18589724
How do you explain historical records of the pyramids from places outside of Egypt?

>>18589736
Aryan explorers

>>18589736
Jew lies just like all "written history".

>>18589736
>(((Historical Records)))

>>18589746
>>18589755
You guys understand that there are scientific, peer reviewed (not jewish) ways to verify the age of documents and scrolls, ink used that would come from different places around the world, far earier than a few hundred years, that describe pyramids, right? I'm only even replying to bump OPs thread cause I think its an interesting topic, but you should try harder.

>>18589767
>((((not jewish))))
Shill harder schlomo, because we're not buying it.

>>18589704
>Nope.

How can you be so certain?

>Fairy tales.

Many other cultures have stories similar to that.

>Antarctica's been covered in ice and inhospitable to civilization for millions of years, before humans ever evolved. So no

You can't be certain of that.

>you don't know it's not true, so it must be true
Well I'm convinced

>>18589775
>when you seriously dont know if someone is trolling or just stupid

>>18589774
>gets rekt
>"Y-your just jewish"

>>18589767
Forgeries, all of them.

>>18589780
>>this

if it wasn't for modern tech we wouldn't be able to survive the Arctic. striving in that environment with ancient means of survival is literally retarded to even consider

>>18589793
The theory is that maybe Antarctica was not always as harsh as it is today.

>>18589794
There is science that proves that its been covered in ice for a long, long time. They drill and take mile long samples of cylanders of ice and sheeit, and then they date it. I get that were on /x/ but that one just seems too unlikely

>>18589784
Sure, what ever you say.
You still haven't backed anything up with facts.

>>18589805
(((science)))

>>18589808
(((shitpost)))

http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2014/apr/scientists-successfully-use-krypton-accurately-date-ancient-antarctic-ice

>>18589686
>I mean much older than Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc.
no such thing exists.
>biblical flood
made up crap.
>I have a feeling that Antarctica was home to an advanced civilisation many millennia ago.
lol no.

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Gobekli Tepe

>>18589784
>when someone asks u to prove ur theory and u just call them stupid instead of proving the theory.


riiiight then

>>18589775
>how can you be so certain

No evidence.

>Many other culture have similar stories.

Exactly. Just like many cultures have stories about Cinderella, or Jack in the Bean stock. Doesn't mean they're real.

>You can't be certain of that.

We can. You might not understand the science, but that doesn't mean you can dispute it.

>>18589837
Not a civilization.

>>18589724

Napoleon and his army built the larger ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrBtf8mq2RI

Makes you wonder if any of these old ruins are really that old. Like some mysterious force was trying to cover up our true history with lies and props.

>>18589686
The Indus Valley civilization is neat and still mysterious because its writing system hasnt been figured out yet. Theyre probably just as old as Egyptians, though

>>18589704
Hang yourself.

>>18589991
You're the one who is a burden to society, and the world would be better off with your death.

So no, you.

>>18589945
>Jack in the Bean stock

What kind of weird stories have you been reading anon?

>>18590017
its what the kids call it nowadays

>>18589704
Gobekli Tepe mate.

>>18589947
We don't know that though

>>18589686
Look for 'The lost book of Enki' it tells the story of the Annunaki ( dont mind the typo pls ) and tell the tale about how and why we are created

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Ggantija Temple

7000 years old, in Malta.

The glaciers went over any possible evidence of a great civilization in the North, and then a million different tribes suddenly make monoliths and pyramids that look the same? Yeah, that is a good A Priori reason for civilizations older than Egypt, Mesopotamia, but good luck finding the material evidence that the materialist establishment is obsessed with.

Hi there, history student chiming in. You are fundamentally incorrect. The oldest civilizations would be the Egyptians and the Sumerians. The Old Kingdom of Egypt started around 2800 BC and the Sumer around 3000 BC although it could have begun being more heavily populated as much as 2 thousand years before that. Antarctica has been an ice continent since before humans evolved. People aren't believed to have begun populating the Americas until about 20,000-15,000 BC by crossing a land bridge near the Bearing Straight made of ice during an Ice Age. Its important to point out that as well that about 20-30 thousand years before that ice age archaeological evidence shows there was another more devastating ice age that wiped out almost all Homo-Sapien Sapiens except some that survived in caves in southern parts of Africa.

>>18590893
One or two monuments or temples does not point out an advanced civilization. It just shows that a small group or tribe somewhere was able to construct something. Are there any writings carved in these stones? no, the people were not literate. Do these sights reflect a large civilization, No they don't. They represent one group of people who were good at building. The OP was clearly about lost advanced civilizations. Not an Illiterate moderately sized tribe living on a Mediterranean island that built a cool group of stones.

>>18591140
Because asking for physical evidence rather than imagination based hypothesis is the most unreasonable thing you could do.

>>18591174
kek, no retard, there were already humans established deep into south america 21-22,000 years ago, they were obviously getting out there much earlier

>>18589704
Actually, the indus valley civilization might be older than Mesopotamia. And if there's anything older than that, we don't know.

Considering sites like Gobekli Tepe exist, it's not that far fetched to assume we're missing a lot of history.

>>18591140
Monoliths and pyramids tend to look the same because they're just a bunch of fucking rocks.

Or stacks of rocks.

> retards who think they're smart the thread.

>>18589686

You mean like Atlanta?

>>18589945
>Doesn't mean they're real.
Lack of evidence is not evidence to the contrary. It's an "I don't know"

>>18591621
Georgia?

Satya Yuga.

>>18591621
I don't think there was ever any civilization in Atlanta

>>18589947
Who was it built by then?

>>18593715
Semi-sedentary hunter-gatherers living off of abundant wild grains, like the Natufians.

>>18593715
Probably hunter-gather communities.

The agricultural revolution was a slow process. It makes sense for temples and sanctuaries to be propped up for semi-nomadic tribes to take refuge at.

That's probably also how cities started in general.

>>18589837
what picture is that off mate?

>>18593793
To complex.

Just the carving of the stones would take more than a hunting season.

>>18591300
Indeed.

>>18591412
They look the same to you, cause you don't know shit.

>>18593706
We don't know, but it's been lost to the ages.

>>18589945
Ok smart boy, what are those similarities evidence of?

>>18591300
i think all of our current cultures and even the ones we barely found are just survivor offshoots from the greater mother culture from the preDryas catastrophe.

>>18589686

ancient civilizations had technologies to carve stone that we do not understand and can't imitate today. Also very strong evidences of tribes of giant and dwarf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFgN0ocRH3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2LvihnqTDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj5XCJU1Aoc

>>18594128
>pounding rocks with other rocks is hard to understand

Well, maybe for you.

>>18593878
>they look the same to you

Actually I can tell the differences between pyramids of different cultures, it was the other guy who thought they were magically linked. But at the end of the day they're still just stacked bricks.

>>18594148
>he didn't watch
carving 100 tons blocks of granite and moving them dozen of miles away is unfeasible today with the most robust technology.
shill more, balltard.

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>>18589686
i like how you mentioned egypt and meso in one breath :DD

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>>18594153
>Just stacked bricks.

I would love to see any of you make a 10 feet tall structure with stone bricks.

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>>18589704
>fairy tales

>>18594186
stack the ones on the ground first so that you can stand on them to stack the taller ones

>>18594181
>unfeasible

You mean infeasible

And no, it isn't.

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>>18589761
hes a shill. sucks too , his stories were cool.

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Nile valley, Mesopotamia, Indus Valley, China ... all traditionally considered the cradles of human civilisation.

You could perhaps go back even further to the first primitive 'cities' of Anatolia (modern day Turkey) c 11,000BC, although the concept of 'civilisation' becomes stretched at this point, as they had no writing, armies or systematic use of farming

Antarctica? Not a chance. It's been located at the South Pole for tens of millions of years. Theres plenty of animal and plant fossils there, but these all originated eons before modern man

>>18589793
I saw a scientific documentary once that showed they had found fossilized remaind of trees rhat only grow in the tropics.
Theory was that at some point in the distant past, the continent that is now call2 Antarctica, was arually located nearer to the equator

>>18589704
>Antarctica's been covered in ice and inhospitable to civilization for millions of years, before humans ever evolved. So no.

That kind of arrogance will make you look like the fool you are....very soon friend.

>>18589704
>millions of years
keep telling yourself that mate

the last glacial maximum was like 25,000 years ago

>>18589774
At least the average Jew finished high-school, a feat that was not achieved by the likes of you.

>>18591279
You're not helping your argument by phrasing your responses like this.

>>18594128
>ancient civilizations had technologies to carve stone that we do not understand and can't imitate today.
Lmao @ brainlets. I'm sure those ancient civilizations went to space and fapped to anime, too.

Guise, what's an easy humanities degree that allows me to study spoopy ancient religions and cults?

>>18595564
Theology.

>>18595577
I kind of want to avoid the bible.

>>18595584
Then you'll have to go with antrophology.

But it's a bit harder, how it's your liver?

>>18595592
My liver?

>>18595731
You'll have to drink alot of alcohol

>>18595794
why? 2depressing?

>>18595447
>arrogance

You misspelled evidence.

>>18595420
Yes, it's well known that Antarctica used to be a warm, tropical place. And plenty of other places where it's warm now used to be at the poles. But that was millions of years before humans and civilization.

>>18595866
>millions of years before humans and civilization.
We dont know that. Stop just regurgitating shit

>>18589686
BP = Years Before Present
YA = Years Ago

Oldest civilizations

Indus Valley civilization (5,000 BP)

The ancient Armenians who built Gobekli tepe (12,000 BP)

The Cucuteni-Trypillian culture (these fucks had some beautiful art that extended directly back to pre-Neolithic times. (7,000 BP but the art connection shows that they kept up some culture directly from the 35,000+ years ago stone age peoples)

The Sicani of Malta. ( Also 7,000 BP) Their monolithic culture might go back much further but it's real difficult to get a good read on an ancient culture when the area has been continuously populated.

The Sumerians (Also started around 7,000 BP) and are credited with the first writing system.

But, hieroglyphics, common shapes and designs that most likely carried specific meanings, were in use in cave paintings all across the stone age. Those symbols made it into early Celtic art (not the knot stuff we have now) and Cucuteni-Trypillian cultures.

https://www.ted.com/talks/genevieve_von_petzinger_why_are_these_32_symbols_found_in_ancient_caves_all_over_europe

I know some of you fucks have more information on civilizations than I do. I just picked a few old ones I could remember.

>>18595866
The Younger Dryas started only 12 thousand years ago, bro. 2 mile high ice sheet over Canada. Just a couple thousand years ago Iceland was a nice place to farm. Now, you can't grow shit there cause it's too cold.

The climes change more often then you'd think in geologic time.

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>>18595995
Chinchorro culture from the Atacama desert, practised mummification 10,000 years ago.

I didn't knew about Cucuteni-Trypillian culture it's really interesting.

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>>18589704

>>18596004
egypt and libya were the breadbaskets of rome.

>>18593780
>>18593793
Honestly, the fact that they were capable of pulling that of, is very impressive.

>>18595877
>I'm sorry anon. You're a fat neckbeard who will never find love or achieve anything in life.
But ... we don't know that.
>There is nothing to suggest you are an adequate human being.
You are arrogant to make such assumptions. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>Whatever bumfuck.

>>18594293
>>18595562
I know you guys are just brainless paid trolls but
yes transporting 100tons blocks of granite over dozen of miles is infeasible with the heaviest truck or helicopter built by men today.
just lifting a single block that weight isn't doable today, yet in antediluvian times they could build temples with hundreds of such blocks they had to transport from the quarry mines located dozen miles away.
Our true history like the true shape of Earth (geography) has been hidden from us.

>>18596483
>the true shape of Earth (geography) has been hidden from us
Flat Earth mong detected.

>>18596516
>Captain insight.

nice argumentation skills, Nasa shill.
but Yes, Earth has the shape of a flat disc.

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>>18595995
This are Trypillian designs.

Fascinating for a number of reasons, but watch this.

>>18596532
so Ankh-Morpork is just another name for babylon?

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>>18596536
This are Aconcagua culture designs, same period around 7000 years ago.

This are from the Aconcagua valley in Chile.

>>18596483
>isn't doable today

Here's a guy who's lifting, positioning, and maneuvering twenty ton stones, by himself, using technology available to ancient peoples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8c

So yeah, you're just lying.

>>18596481
Well i guess its lucky for us you were around millions of years ago to witness there were no humans existing back then.

Fucking kys you stupid parroting mongoloid

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>>18596824

>>18596833
You're a fine parrot. What other phrases have you been trained to repeat endlessly?

>>18596726
we are talking of 5 times that weight, spaceball shill.
100 tons, 1 followed by two 0.
6,000 years ago they could lift and transport 5 times that weight on miles. Today we can't.

>>18596726
and btw besides being retarded this video doesn't show him >>lifting<< that one ton stone or the house at any moment. The lifting was made using modern tools off-camera.

>>18596962
>five times that weight

So four more people then.

>>18596726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsuNGCqET8s

>>18597219
This will never not be retarded.

>>18596726
Gotta love this.

Just because you can lift one stone doesn't mean that you can stack them over the great pyramid.

Let alone transport them over a tangent.

Whatever the construction method was, it was far more complicated than this.

>>18597486
>Just because you can lift one stone doesn't mean you can stack them over the great pyramid

Yeah, it kinda does. The great pyramid is basically just stones lifted and stacked on top of each other.

>Or transport them

Well you lift them on a sledge or a barge, and then pulling them is easy. The egyptians even left pictures of this. It's not complicated, and only simple tools are needed. Levers, pullies, etc.

>Whatever the construction method, it was far more complicated than this.

Nope. Just because Ancient Aliens says so, it doesn't make it true.

Ancient aliens and their bastard children whom look exacly like us.
Lots of old religions are filled with descriptions of magic men from the sky who came and had sex with women.
Have you noticed how both these alien reports and any notions about God get shunned and are considered shrink material?
Well, they live among us and are spiritually different, so they can read your mind.
If the actual God shows you a sign they go all crazy rping that they are fallen angels or shit like that so you adopt one of their "approved" beliefs.
Space beggars need to go.

>>18597510
Ok picture this.

You put the stone in a vertical position, then what?

How do you get them above the rest of the stones?
Do you build the whole lever for every stone?
How do you make the ceilings and the hallways?

What happens when a stone falls and kills your workers?

Why are there no broken stones everywhere?

The giant stones aren't easy to pull and are even harder to carve, that's the most complicated part, how do you carve them, the pyramids were finished in a lifetime, but it would take more than that to carve every single stone.

The amount of work it's so astonishing that results impossible that the workers haven't rebeled and just say fuck it.

You may think that if you can lift one stone the mystery it's solved, but the logistics of such a task are beyond any explanation given so far.

You need skilled workers that understand the use of the levers, plus architects and artisans to carve the stones, you need to feed them and keep them alive.

All the people, that their model of society could sustain must be working in the pyramid, in order for the project to be completed.

>>18589746
>>18589755

This. Nothing but lies and faked artifacts. We had the craft skills, men, transport, and money to fake anything from the Renaissance onwards. They fake the past to control the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrBtf8mq2RI

>>18597541
>how do you raise the stones

He fucking explains it in the video, you mong, before he tilts it. There are other ways. Ropes and pulleys and inclined planes, all simple tools.

>do you build the whole lever for every stone

No, you reuse levers

>how do you make the ceilings and hallways

You stack two different rows of blocks on top of each other, then you stack stones across the top to make a roof. They're simple cantilevers, not even proper arches. The romans knew how to make huge arches, which are far more complex than what the egyptians did, but nobody claims aleums did them.

>what happens when a stone falls and kills your workers

You get no workers

>why are there no broken stones everywhere

Are you fucking kidding? There are broken stones everywhere. There are stones partially worn down where the ropes from the pullies rubbed them. There are stones with saw marks cut part way through, and then changes when they remeasured. There are stones halfway cut out of the quarry and abandoned.

>The workers haven't rebeled and just say fuck it

Well then you whip a couple of them and they get back to work

>the logisitics are beyond any explanation given so far.

You lift one block. You put it where it's supposed to go. You lift another block, you put that where it's supposed to go. Repeat.

It's true there are different orders in which you can place the blocks. But those orders would have changed for each pyramid. If something was wrong, they would have gone back, fixed it, and moved on.

>you need skilled workers, artisans, etc.

a handful of experts, a few foremen to make sure the workers do the jobs, and a bunch of illiterate grunts do do all the hard work, probably slaves.

>feed and keep them alive

Yes. This is what is called "civilization." A few farmers making lots of food for everybody else, and all those other people do shit like build pyramids and invent writing. Just a tiny fraction of the egyptian population was needed.

>>18597583
gb2 nibiru, we like it here less euphoric and more aliens go home.

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>>18597583
The devil it's in the details.

Look how polish the terminations are, the central chambers have even bigger stones as ceiling, the regular ones are big enough but this are huge, you say that they could do it with simple tools and many death workers, but we can say this now, 5000 years later over thousands of years of accumulated knowledge, but it's not obvious.

Egyptian society was something else, the builders were in another level and we are missing a key part of the puzzle, mostly because we need them to have build this with what we can confirm they had.

What you are doing it's closing the possibility of them using even more advanced instruments that we have accounted.

>>18589805
do you get all your "facts" from wikipedia and popsci articles?

real research papers indicate that it was warmer before the last glacial maximum 17,000-26,500 years ago

>>18597219
Been waiting for the second series to drop for years

>>18597219
DEEPEST LORE

>>18597583
>ropes and pulleys

l m a o

>>18597691
No they don't.

>>18597891
Here's another old guy doing it in his backyard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7bEPECU6I

>>18597583
You're not too far off but the workers were not slaves. They were paid laborers. Drafted, but paid.

It was actually a big source of employment at the time, and towns developed around the pyramids, mainly comprising the workers and their families and then traders and services and such catering to them.

hoooooooooooooooool>>18590017
>>18590017
holy fuck i laughed way too hard at that

>>18597920
>drafted but paid

I'm not convinced. Some of the workers were paid and skilled, I'm sure. But that doesn't mean there weren't slaves for doing the grunt work.

Every other ancient culture used slaves, I don't know why Ancient Egypt is supposed to be some exception.

>>18597915
>How did cavemen start fires?
>A box of matches

You see the problem?

Protip: It isn't the physical object.

>>18597944
Are you suggesting the Ancient Egyptians didn't have levers and ropes and inclined planes?

I'm really not seeing the problem, no.

>it isn't the physical object

So then you admit the stones were not too heavy to move around.

>>18597951
did they have boats that could carry 100 ton stones through the swift currents of the nile?

beacause you know, aswann quarry is fucking far from giza

>>18597964
>swift currents of the nile

1. Only a small amount of the stones in the pyramids came from Aswan. Most were quarried very close to the site.

2. The Nile downstream from Aswan is wide and slow., Aswan itself being right below the first cataract.

3. Yes.

4. We're back to physical objects again. Make up your mind.

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>>18589724
The Pyramids were actually built by Sears

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Here is the Lateran Obelisk.

At 455 tons, it is larger than any of the stones in the pyramids.

It was quarried in Aswan as a single piece. Barged down the Nile to Karnak where it was erected. When the Greeks conquered, it was moved the entire length of the Nile and erected again at Alexandria. A few hundred years later the Romans conquered Egypt, and the obelisk was again moved by shit, this time all the way across the Mediterranean, to Rome. Erected again. Sometime after the fall of the Roman empire the obelisk fell, and a small portion of the base cracked off. It laid buried in mud for about a thousand years until the Renaissance. When Romans unearth it, moved it to another part of Rome, and erected it again, now slightly shorter, and it stands there to this day.

So we've got the Ancient Egyptians, the Greeks, Classical Romans, Renaissance Romans, all with the ability to move 455 ton stones anywhere they want. Without modern technology. No steam engines. No motors. Just simple tools like ropes and pulleys. Not one single alien was involved.

>>18591174
>modern humans in Europe for 40k years
>le aktchyually my history professor says that an ice age killed us all and we evolved all over again in 20k years despite physical evidense and logic

>>18589724
Get out of the basement once in a while.

>>18589786
What you do not understand should make you curious, not angry.

>>18597994
No, actually we are going to be less euphoric the more you insist.

>ancient times
>magical men came from the sky and mixed with us
>in most ancient religions
>modern times
>still living in a blue rock amidst an unexplored universe
>y-you're silly if you think there's a god or that aliens could've come
t. alien bastard child

>>18589686
sumerian tablets have been coming up alot lately and supposedly there are millions of them, learn sumerian im sure theres history of even older civilizations. if they kept records of sales or trades, they would have other cultures in it, wars with other cultures, myths, heroes. i wish i had access to these million tablets.