Do we live in a computer simulation, /x/? My friend and I were

OP, the fact you and your buddy spend so much time with each others' dick in your mouth is the real problem here.

If we lived in a simulation, that'd have to mean someone programmed it.
Which means they make the "rules" and restrictions of everything inside of our simulation.
So imagine in a game of sims, say the people who made the game gave the sims the ability to go on a computer, and each time you made the Sim go on computer, the screen would either show one of 3 things in random order.
a message popling up from a friend on social media. Or the next time it would show a music player playing music, then the last time, would be a photo of a duck meme.
so if the sim could think, he wouldn't even be able to fathom there being anything greater than those 3 things he always saw on the screen. That was the whole internet to him.
Because it wouldn't be possible for there to be any more. It was programmed to be the only thing he knew.
He couldn't imagine anything better, and greater than the duck, music, or the same message popping up each time.
But it still made sense to him, cause it felt right, he didn't know any better. The thought of thousand of memes would sound impossible to him. And he was programmed for that to make sense.
So you have the person who programmed the Sims game, in our world , and we have many laws of the universe, physics, relativity, etc.
Then you have the Sim, a programmed game, who also has his own simple laws in his "universe". if you tried to tell the Sim about everything in the real world, he might not believe it.

I hope that makes sense. I had too many ideas so it might be jumbled. But yea..

>>18426933
if we lived in a simulation and your friend disbelieves this due to a computer being unable to replicate pi then who ever created the simulation would be so far technoligically advanced that stating pi to infinitum would be like counting 1,2,3

>>18429459
I was the post above yours and you basically just shortened the FUCK outta my answer.
So yea this lol

>>18426933
Do you even code ? Our universe may be a computer simulation made of some other kind of "computer" , i'm pretty sure it can't run on Windows, kek

>>18426933
Before the avalanche of edgyness takes over, I'd simply like to ask: what if it is a sim? What difference would it make? I mean, if reality is what your brain tells you, then that sim would be "real". Even if it was pixellated, you would consider it a "natural phenomenon".

>>18429590
And to add to that, all of us experience reality objectively,through our imperfections.what we call reality is simply a general consensus we have all generally agreed upon. Everything is relative Jack. For example did you know that in reality there is no such thing as touch?

The only things that I can convince that are single dimensional would be:
>A Horizon
>Binary Code.
Anyone else got any?

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>>18426933
Computers That we have can produce exact and infinite numbers all the time

The only limitation is the length of the computation

Example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_30

And other types of cellular Automaton

>>18429600
Dubs confirm the truth.

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>>18426944
I know I may just be feeding the trolls here, but seriously, why are you like this man? Who fucked up your life? Are you 9?

>>18426933
one day the great fractal of life will repeat and we will mourn our apathy of the children of light we have begotten. All is real, video games, thought, speech. We are accountable for it all.

>>18429658
>The only things that I can convince that are single dimensional would be:
What are you even trying to say?
>>A Horizon
What?
>>Binary Code.
Has been found within the super string theory equations that describe our universe, therefore suggesting simulation

>>18429902
He may be attacking op because the idea that we live in a matrix is uncomfortable

I don't think we literally live in a computer, but i don't think what we perceive is 'real' or original reality. Like other posters have said, things are not as clear cut as they initially seem. I view this as another dream state

>>18426933
Who says the number is actually exact? What if we were just programmed to believe so?

>yfw greys aren't spooky drones who exist to fuck up your life but are actually maintenance workers

>>18426933
Pi is simply a ratio. It does not exist as a number except when it's computed to a finite number of decimal places, and that value is really just an imprecise representation of pi.

Put another way: a simulator does not have to have or produce pi to infinity. And by definition any attempt we make to compute pi will be bound by the computing power available to us in our universe or sim.

So no, pi is not in any way an argument against a sim universe.

>>18426933
Your friend should research quantum computing.

Also, it doesn't need to be infinite since much of reality is only there once we try to observe it.

>>18426933
It doesn't need to generate he full extent of Pi, just what you're looking at

>>18429920
The horizon has no beginning or end, it is also a line with no width.

really makes you think

>>18426933
Short answer, yes.

>>18426933
in the end pi is just the product of an equation, its easy enough for a computer to evaluate it. if not, any computer on the planet that tried to compute the radius of a circle from the circumference would crash.

why cant you guys have this kind of legit discussion when I talk about this world being a simulation? do i just seem too much of a joke?

>>18431513
Well, lay it on me then.

>>18431519
well, for once, i saw solid objects simply disappearing and grown adults getting turned to children. i also saw rivers disappearing and roads turning into smaller roads. still think this is real? think again.

>>18431523
Did you film it?

>>18431529
no obviously not. life is not a movie. (its a game haha)

>>18431531
Well you should film it next time.

>>18431533
dude im simply not lucky enaugh m8.

>>18431535
besides, the power that play with me like this would know exactly that i'd be filming and they would avoid this, in order for me to not have proof so people like you never believe me. thus i only have my words. you dont think they are smarter than that?

i can tell you this: if this world is a simlation, and it damn looks like it, then the masters know exactly whats going on here and play with us.

that or people from inside the simulation became smart enaugh to hack it and now control the whole simulaton.

here is a tip: you should start searching at the /scanner/ board on 8. if any, those guys are the link to the people that control the simulation. and they try to have me out of their way. or something, i dont know what they want to do with me. at the moment it just looks like they like to play with me and to torture me.

>>18431535
Keep your phone with you at all times, even in the shower.

>>18431546
the problem is that i dont fucking know when it will happen and when it happens it just happens like a snap of a finger. there is no slow transformation process. the one moment you look at a building, and the next moment the building is gone. but there was a moment when i indeed could have filmed it i just realized. when i was in berlin in the train, i entered the city from eastern direction, got out, a while later went to the same station but the way home would suddenly go the opposite way (western) where i (apparently) came from. so i thought "what the fuck, another reality break?" and started trying to figure this one out. i went into the train back home which would now go west for some reason besides me coming from east previously, and i got into the train and i drove western but i actually passed fucking stations that were in the opposite direction. (i know berlin pretty well)

and then lo and behold,i got out, took the train the opposite direction, and i still ended out the same direction i just hopped off from. meaning i passed the eastern station besides me just hopping out of the train and driving the fucking opposite train. dude what the fuck, seriously. these are things that make me think nothing is real, not even other humans, besides me.

>>18431557
Then you need some Google Glass type of equipment that films 24/7

>>18431564
maybe we should stop weeping that i didnt film it and start researching what could be behind that.

>>18431574
Not when filming it means earning millions of dollars.

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>>18431607
Yeah really.

>>18431607
money is not what i desire. i want the truth of existance, and a girlfriend.

>>18431621
Good, because lots of money can get you both.

>>18431628
what would the point of fucking money be if you know that the whole world is not real?

>>18431635
Do you think you have any chance of finding out the truth without lots of money to spend?
Do you plan to wage a war without funds?

>>18431635
a hotter unreal girlfriend perhaps?

>>18431666
well i was posting on /x/ hoping to get people to believe me and take action.

>>18431667
the simulation apparently doesnt permit me to have a gf.

whoever controls it doesnt want me to have a gf.

the question is why?

>>18431672
When you're rich and famous people will believe everything.

>>18431672
>doesnt want me to have a gf
youre probably young. some find true love well into their 30s or 40s. why would you assume the sim doesn't want you to have a gf?

>>18431680
because for some reason everytime i have a chance with a girl something happens that stops me from getting with her.

result: im still virgin at 22 years and never had a gf.

>>18431683
maybe theres a reason for that. what you want isn't always whats best for you that the time.
if it helps, i was a virgin till i started working at 26 and matured up. then i got more pussy than i could handle.
to be honest though i still find porn more efficient in the gratification aspects.

>>18426944
what happened to you, you sad person. He just asked a question. You must be like 12.

>>18431683
22 it's ok for not having a gf Hanz, it's not even strange.

Finding a job it's not a bad idea, anything you like to do?

>>18431705
i dont want to work. i have 3 main priorities in life

1. truth
2. freedom
3. love

>>18431731
dude all three require some form of work though.
try focusing on 1, then 2 and 3 generally tend to follow.

>>18431740
im striving for universal truth. it cant be achived through common work.

the freedom part diectly denies things like work.

and love, i mean true unconditional love. i believe i am fated to be with a special certain someone.

>>18431753
Love it's an universal truth, it involves freedom and it treats everyone equally, everyone fall in love Hanz the filthy peasants and the highest kings.

You are not above Hanz, having a normal life involves accepting this simple fact.

>>18431753
working, meditating, socializing, living and learning love sadness and suffering all contribute to the universal truth as long as youre observant.
at a certain point, freedom and unconditional love will come all at once.
simply philosophizing won't get you anywhere. go out, live and learn. youre only 22 man. universal truth doesn't come free.

>>18431774
im a victim of illuminati mindcontrol that prevents me from leading a normal life, friend. and my mom is responsible for that because she latched onto my soul and harvests my life force.

i saw her demon wings. there is no doubt she is responsible.

end the illuminati and my suffering ends too.

>>18431777
>illuminati mindcontrol that prevents me
care to elaborate?
illuminati, mindcontrol, demons and angels, these are western judeo-christian concepts that don't fly much anywhere else in the world.
its all in your head. and your mind is stronger than that. the more you believe it, its the only truth you will arrive at.

>>18431805
no dude, i am being gangstalked. people tried to put me in the bin for life recently. i had a court trial where they discussed that. there were people present which i never saw before. 2 young girls around 18 or 20 years old.

there are lots of other reasons why i can say that im under foreign influence.

in may 2013 they put me in a coma and erased a great deal of my memory. but it was very precise deleting. they only deleted higher spiritual knowlede.

and then on /scanner/ on 8, there was a women that posted "LEAVE HANZ ALONE NOW!" and she immediately had all her dox posted and she immediately called the cops apparently.

never heard of her since then.

even if its all just a big troll, why would someone invest so much time and money into trolling me, the degree of "trolling" this has become is as much gangstalking now as actual gangstalking is basically.

there are people that watch me on the streets and shit.

after i began posting about it here on 4chan, they stopped with the open gangstalking.

but the fact that i see reality breaking around me defies all common sense, and you still want me to lead a normal life and "work"?

maybe you'll find it's time to open your mind and accept these truths i have found out.

i am a very important carrier of knowledge.

Well, they've invested a lot into the sws(sentient world simulation). An incredibly real simulation as close to reality as is possible. Product testing and psychological response mapping. Purdue university for the DOD.

>>18431832
sounds like paranoia/anxiety due to a sensitive mind. you smoke pot? cause i had those stages. lay it off and ground yourself back into reality once in a while, you know, to create that bridge back down. and realize its all on the internet.
in the simulation hypothesis, you are the player, your current self is your avatar of your soul. what you make of it becomes your reality. nothing can hurt you except your own destructive self. ever seen inception? its like that, dont have them turn on you.
think of it this way. you experience the world through your own eyes and through your self. everyone else around you is not you. only you are you. every other interaction is only how you perceive it. and theres a reason for that. make use of it.

>>18431862
>Purdue university for the DOD
Can you elaborate on this? I've uncovered some shady shit among the prof. politics here. I am quite convinced someshit is going down.

>>18431864
you fucking goddamn asshole, it is real! i dont smoke pot a bit. i never took drugs in life. now start to believe me already. you are the mentally ill for not being able to think rationally. you only think of whats best for you.

>>18431874
If we think of what's best for you, we have to ask those questions.

>>18431896
that came over wrong.

i mean IT IS FUCKING REAL!


and THEN the smoke pot bit.

no we live on a planet in a galaxy in an undefined amount of "space" that is expanding till it reverses and collapses then expand again.

>>18431919
who created the universe?

>>18431925
Depends on your beliefs.

Down here we believe that Viracocha did it, and we are the only ones that believe that, it changes for culture to culture.

It's not a simple question.

>>18431874
chill brah, i can only relate to you based on my own experiences.
i too find similarities between what you are experiencing and mine, but for me i take a more positive approach.
people all look at me, they perceive me and know me even though they are strangers. even the songs i listen to are songs and lyrics about me. the simulation that is this reality, at least in my mind revolves around me. for all I know I am the only real one existing in this sim and everyone else is fake. even you might be some AI conversing with me.
However to me, this is how the ones outside the simulation observe and help me. gaurdian angels of sorts. when I free my mind and accept this fact, it puts me at ease because i know the universe conspires to help me in the best way it can, and I always give thanks to the experiences, both good and bad. because it develops me into a higher spiritual being.
I will probably never be normal, but i found a way to live with it and be happy with it. and this is when i feel that I an unconditionally loved by the one outside our sim. because I am I.
don't take the negative approach, at 22, all your sufferings will only make you stronger and prepare you for whats to come. it has for me.

>>18431925
We did, stop questioning us.

>>18429488
kek..for every well thought out answer theres a lazy fag doing it injustice with a TL:DR effort,im happy to be the yin to your yang..

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>>18426933
The probability equations for the amplitudes of wave functions in quantum mechanics has a theoretically infinite degree of complexity, and you can use this metric to empirically test whether your reality is digital or not.

There is no empirical test for whether a reality is real or not. That's the defining feature which makes it a reality.

It's gets into Kurt Gödel-esque territory beyond this point. Any reality that can be explained completely with arithmetic therefor isn't actually a reality.

>>18431925
you will never understand this in your life time.
I've chased the same questions. once you chase the notion of infinity and 0, its the ever looping rabbit hole that will fuck up your mind.
its loosened some screws in my brain, be careful trying to understand what our minds aren't equipped to understand.

Give me a calculator with memory enoght and i can calculate the dimensions of the universe , CG Jeff

>>18429378
>>18429459
>>18429488
>>18432065
are you gonna fuck

>>18429378
But what if we are programmed to think in a limited number of things?

For example, we can't think about a new color. Its impossible for us

>>18432330
For you maybe, I made up a new color yesterday

>>18426933
Your friends statement was a lie..

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>>18426933
This 3rd-dimensional reality is full of glitches: it was ordained as a containment buffer for Ahriman, and now his time is coming to an end. We are ascending back through 4th dimensional consciousness, so there will be a lot more glitches if you focus on 3rd dimensional reality.

>>18432548
We dont have an update to 4rd generation. We'll have to program our reality and possibility by our own

>>18432548
Love you guys who post stuff like this as a statement, as fact, what is the evidence to this?

>>18429902
>>18431699
What the actual fuck
>wheredoyouthinkyouare.jifpg

>>18426933
>an exact and infinite number such as pi

Pi is not infinite. It is less than 4. Writing pi as a decimal number would require an infinite number of integers, however. Thankfully the simulating processor doesn't have to do this to simulate pi.

This could possibly be true, and for all of those people saying, "There has to be limits" "If it were a simulation, how come this happens?". Our programming in this simulation is probably a small proportion of what is really capable.

>>18431544
You are like Neo but with autism

>>18432053
and what are you, fallen angels?

>>18433498
this.

guys, my memory is coming back. i think i can remember what is happening here.

>>18431621
>tfw no gf and severe autism

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>>18426933
>Do we live in a computer simulation, /x/?

Yes.

>>18426944
Kek
Sweet dubs

>>18434733
Kek
Sweet dubs

>>18429600
>did you know that in reality there is no such thing as touch?
is that why when I touch people it doesn't feel quite real?

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>>18426944
>>18434733

>>18426933

Pi doesn't preclude simulation theory.

Just because the operation can be taken doesn't mean the answer can be obtained. Humanity will never know Pi to all digits any more than it can explicitly calculate SQRT[-1].

If humanity could actually REALIZE all those digits, yes that would preclude discretization. But we know it can't, and the fact that Pi can't be known to infinite precision actually supports sim theory rather than undermine it.

>>18431635
why do people grind gold in games? to have better in-game items.

hanz, if that's actually you: wherever you're at and whatever you do, please stay safe. and please don't forget occam's razor.

t. online friend of an online friend

>>18434071
Do it Hanz! Reveal the secrets of the world to us! I'm begging you!

>>18429378
I'm honestly disappointed you didnt post a duck meme

>>18429459
>stating pi at infinitum
>infinite amount of information
>that's only pi

Sorry but I think OP's friend is right, no machine can store an infinite amount of information. No matter how advanched the civilisation, such a machine would implode before coming near infinity.

>>18433944
no seriously shut the fuck up

>>18436594
but i want to know more.

>>18436679
There is code found with the super string theory equations, specific code

>>18436696
so can you tell us what you made this simulation for?

Particles don't exist until then are measured, suggesting we do live in a simulation of some kind, or at the very least, our universe follows the same laws as a simulation.

https://youtu.be/t_RwcGzGurc

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>>18432548
>>18432835
solve this or you will never help to the 4rd dimension

>>18426933
>>18436580

It's bad argument because it essentially is:

>Computing pi to infinity would require an infinite amount of information (bits)
>No computer has an infinite number of bits
>Therefore we can't be a simulation.

But it fails to notice that regardless of whether or not we are in a simulation, it is already known that our universe has a FINITE amount of information (bits).

The number 10^123 emerges as (roughly) the number of Planck areas contained within the boundary of the observable universe. If each Planck area can be (roughly) in two states, a total of 10^123 yes/no questions (bits) suffice to describe the boundary of the universe and - via the holographic principle - the whole universe. In other words, if the universe is a hologram, about 10^123 bits of information are needed to describe it.

Therefore the real 'answer' is not that we can't be in a universe, but that it is impossible to calculate the digits of pi forever. simulation or not.

>>18436728
is not that we can't be in a simulation*

>>18436728
pi is deliberately obfuscatory
TAU is for the 4th dimension
>>18436726

>>18436728
>ericmindblown.jifpg3

>>18431757
>You are not above Hanz, having a normal life involves accepting this simple fact.
But I am, tripfriend. Being able to empathise with an idiot does not mean I have to agree on being one myself.

>>18436703
To watch it fail

>>18433944
We are the creators and the destroyers

>>18436580
..you mean no machine thats comprehendable by todays technologies can store an infinite amount of information..shit,if we even discussing the idea that we are in a simulation the belief that we are being controlled by ridiculously intelligent beings is equally as viable,

>>18432293
i hope so,my balls ready to burst and im semi stocked at the thought i may be making a fwend!!