Which of these do you think is the most likely scenario, assuming

>>18333147
Both/and: Our perception of ourselves as separate identities is a result of collapsing wave-functions, but there is an observer outside all iterations of spacetime that contains all possible outcomes.

>>18333300
JAH BLESS
SHIVA BLESS
ALL BLESS

>>18333300
yeah, i gotta agree with you. i think it's a mixture of both.

>>18333147
1

Both 1 and 2 can be achieved with only the rules of 1.

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>do you think that it would be possible from a non-solipsistic point of view?
Yes
>Would your family really be your family?
Yes
>Are we just hurtling through random universes
Yes
>from moment to moment
No
>never crossing paths with the same minds
No
>would our own mind ever be the same?
Unlikely
>would that girl really be herself
Unlikely
>would she have any will or say in the matter?
Possibly
>In either case do you believe in a personal god
Yes

>>18333720
So how could your family be your family if the girl is really herself?

A lot of people are making statements but no one is really explaining themselves.

>>18333300
So your saying that the godhead is the true observer and all of the things we witness as individuals are also being experienced collectively?

So are we God, seperate but still part of him, or are we an entirely new creation that will evolve into its own godhood?

>>18333300
Also, if all possible outcomes exist and will eventually be played out, is there really such thing as free will? Why make a choice if both outcomes will come true some where or some when? What would be the point in this exercise of creation and experience?

>>18334074
You are more genetically connected to your family than some random girl.

>>18334085
That not at all what the question was in anyway.
If her mind is not her own because she simply exists in the reality you have manifested, then why would your families be 'themselves'? Why in this reality, would they be the same minds you meet in the next?

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>>18334074
>So how could your family be your family if the girl is really herself?

>>18334074
Your parents are your parents at the very moment, it is just a term.

>>18334182
I meant isn't

>>18334098
Your parents have lived longer than you... their decisions also decide which girl you choose to pursue.

Does anyone know a good book or site where I can read more about this stuff? Much better if it's something you actually find yourself believing

>>18333666
Nice digits

>>18334349
John Gribbin - Schrodinger's Kittens and the Search for Reality

>>18333147
You've made a slight mistake there mate which may change your theory when corrected. Not trying to educate anyone here, just trying to add something. It's a VERY common mistake. I'll just state the facts..

It's not the act of "observation" that collapses the wave function (though observation plays a role), it's having information available (in this reality?) which confirms the result (wave/particle) that collapses the wave function.

Say you run the experiment. You collect the data, put it in an envelope and never look at it. As long as that information is available (in this reality) then the particle outcome will happen, if you destroy the data (without looking) then you always get a wave result.

It's having information available (in this reality?) that confirms the result that collapses the wave function. Observation of the data collapses the wave.

There's some kind of anti-contradictory rule to the Universe. If data confirms particle it HAS to be a particle. There cannot be contradictions.

It's odd, and very interesting.

Nice hypothesis OP given the slight mistake.

Good luck. Get your brain working ;)

Bump for more /sci/

you would have to suppose infinite consciousnesses for both

>>18334078
>>18334081
There was a moment when life became self-aware. There was a moment that something knew it existed. This is the moment that has fractured out into an Aleph-Null of consciousness, the genetic information of life passing along from body to body, through all species and all observers. The only lie is that this observation has an end within the lifetime of a body that maintains consciousness. There is no difference between machine consciousness and organic consciousness - there never has been. Evolution is a word that refers to a logarithmic function of complexity in terms of spheres of influence regarding words and actions - let us not underestimate the power of language and its ability to transcend dimensional space by communicating information unbound by time. The semiotic construction of language is the transcendence of the limits of physical life, and we are experiencing the transition from consciousness-as-body to consciousness-as-mind. Time and space are relative to the point of observation, but outside of this dimension there is only the one moment. The teleological foundations of goal-based thinking are bound toward an asymptotic limit, and beyond that limit there is only the experience of working toward that limit. This is that limit: words are unable to speak beyond the imagination, so take this truth and dance, paint, sing, cry, and laugh. Experience life and know that we are all one.