>enlightenment is so simple, if I told anyone they would never

>>18317497
its basically realizing spirituality

>tell us.
It is not so simple.

It's like discussing a shade of blue with someone who is blind.

>>18317497
I would say enlightenment is a feeling of being one with everything. You can feel energies within every object you see and touch. That's what I consider to be enlightenment

>>18317497
Just stop worrying about stupid shit if you want to be enlightened.
>Turn of the MSM
>Don't read alternative fear porn like Huffington Post or Mother Jones
>Limit social media use
>Get your face out of your phone
>Laugh at statists who are crying about a war mongering satanist losing the (s)election
>Take a walk
>Enjoy a good meal

>>18317513
this.

>>18317497
Enlightenment is an ever going process. If you actually believe you have figured everything out, you have found a perma state of unenlightenment. Enlightenment isn't really a goal. Its just a passing feeling of oneness and acheivement much like having an orgasm

>>18317497
proof of subjective reality. you can only hear the enlightenment if you know what they're going to say. if the knowledge isn't in you, no one can tell you. you have to learn it on your own; it's uniquely impossible to be 'told' enlightenment because that element would un-enlighten

>>18317513
>>18317507
>>18317504
Please at least make an attempt to explain in good faith. I want to learn

>>18317497
Reality is not based upon physical objectivity but perceptual subjectivity.

There are an infinite number of parallel timelines and we can each choose which one's we go down.

>>18317544
>explain in good faith.
Your faith becomes understanding.

>>18317554
Wise man..

Can Christians be enlightened or is it a satanist eastern religion meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMVeok7Z1XQ

Because you expect it to be some huge trip and whobbidy doo while it's just being

>>18317554
Does this have to do with meme magic
Basically the act of believing something makes it a reality?

>>18317559
I believe that opening up yourself to other religions and myths is a good way to enrich christian gnosis.

Because enlightenment is stopping looking for enlightenment.

Now you stopped?

Too bad, that means you are still looking for it.

A man once said he understood perfectly what time was, until asked what time is.

>>18317550
Then how do you explain events happening outside of your control? Events happening that you didn't believe?

>>18317569
Conscious and subconscious belief are different things.

Any event or fact that I interact with has a vector to be manifested by me.

>>18317565
>Does this have to do with meme magic
No.

>>18317572
>>18317575
So things are still out of your control
What's the point then

>>18317583

That there is no point.

>>18317588
Sounds like a shitty eastern religion meme to kill all drive and motivation

No wonder chinks didn't do shit till white people showed up lmao

>>18317596
>No wonder chinks didn't do shit till white people
Are you autistic?

The Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao.

>>18317497

File: lao_tzu.png (478KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

478KB, 640x480px

>>18317631

Look, and it can't be seen.

Listen, and it can't be heard.

Reach, and it can't be grasped.

>>18317497
first you have to eat shit then kill yourself

>>18317497

Enlightenment is whatever YOU discover in life which makes your mind clear and focused and unlocked enough to find peace in the world. Its like entering a meditative state forever.

>>18317497

You can only learn for yourself. You have a long way to go.

File: 1473043307747.jpg (112KB, 775x720px)

112KB, 775x720px

Eastern religion is all cancer

All other religions
>Hey here's our bieliefs and dogma and how to do it

Eastern religion
>DUDE WE CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHAT EXACTLY WHAT WE BELIEVE IN LMAO

>>18317909
The Bhagavad Gita clearly explains the meaning of enlightenment and the means to attain it.

>>18317497
Enlightenment is the insight that we are immortal beings made of love

>>18317497
Google search "Vinay Gupta + future thinkers podcast"

Enlightenment is simple
Enlightenment is not simple
That's kind of the point.

From a meta and quantum physics perspective, free will is an illusion. Aliens, angels, demons and ghosts are all bound by universal laws just as humans. Cause and effect dictates us from our point of origin to our point of death, and even beyond. If God made us, it's possible that even him doing that was preordained. If on the other hand, the big bang happened, that was cause and effect (even though the cause makes zero sense)

>>18317971
>Free will doesn't exist

Do people actually believe this?

>>18318013
You're given a choice not free will.

>>18318013

It's the concept that everything in the world happens as it is supposed to, that free will seems like it exists but what you are doing has already been dictated perhaps before time started moving forward.

So yes, people do believe that. Its a common metaphysical concept.

>>18318013
Of course. There are many sound arguments which completely repudiates the idea of free will.

File: high-priest.jpg (34KB, 384x407px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 384x407px

>>18317497
This is a key component of many spiritual orders. It prevents the initiate from having ideas shoved down their throat and allows them to earn their knowledge.

God helps those that help themselves, is term that appears simplistic on the surface. But it signifies a right passage in both the spiritual and material world.

If you are in need of a hand, first look to the end of thy arm, before ye cry to the heavens for intervention.

all children are enlightened

go from there \(=^-^=)/

>>18317544
It's a change in your neuronal default mode network in which you stay continually aware of that "everything is at it should be" thing that people realize when taking LSD for example.Your mind gets calmer, love is easier and freer, the end of holding on to random desires.

See also: one-pointed awareness

>>18317542
proposition: I don't care to actually be enlightened, I just want to know what it is
if knowing that makes me less enlightened, I don't really care, because I'll have the knowledge I want

>>18318294
The words needed to explain such a concept simply do not exist.

>>18318248
Yes, but it's a pre-rational. You could say they are "awakened". They have a very simple ego.

>>18318366
a strong mother enlightens her child

>>18318284

This is correct. Note that none of these other definitions have received an affirmative vote from a single other person.

This is how one describes it once one has achieved the state. As far as the nature of the state itself, you legitimately have to figure out how to reach it on your own.

>>18317554
Also this.

But the way you know if you are enlighten desu, is if you know that you are. You'll know.

It's not by comparing it to a concept like one of these and affirming it based on a similarity to that concept. The way you will know, is that you will know.

>>18318242
OY VEY

File: 1478129107652.jpg (24KB, 435x290px)

24KB, 435x290px

enlightenment sounds like a snake oil salesman

i highly, HIGHLY doubt ANYONE on 4chan is enlightened.

asking /x/ how to be enlightened is like asking 4chan how to get a girlfriend

>>18317514
>>18317525
>>18317504
>>18317538
>>18317542
>>18317550

>>18317497
Go look up "Enlightenment" on google. The fact of the matter is, the word you refer to is a broad term used to describe many things. Judging especially by the differing answers in this thread, it really is

just a meme.

Now, you could take this as advice or you could keep searching OP, but my personal idea of enlightenment is knowing a lot about things. Anything and everything, just know some stuff.

Hope it helps bro :)

>>18318512
Yet you spend your free time here.

>>18317554
Something happens to people that they can't explain. Once it happens you feel like you have evidence of spirituality.

>>18318614
Anon never claimed to be enlightened.

>>18317497

The simple answer is that nothing happens. It's a kind of release that is more substantial than anything else, but at the same time has no consequences at all. It has nothing to do with feelings, beliefs, understanding, or anything pertaining to the world, or the holy. It doesn't "feel" like anything. It might as well not exist. But to you, personally, who have done the spiritual gymnastics, meditated, prayed, whatever, to such an extent that it really pulled the rug under your feet, it matters. At a certain point you've let go of yourself to such an extent that you've seen everything that happens, have happened or ever will happen, as a weightless play of light. Having that bird's eye perspective on things makes every matter truly meaningless. Time does not exist, because nothing is going anywhere. Life is so short from that perspective that in the blink of an eye, the illusions of life vanish - they might as well never have been there in the first place. Any particulars don't exist. it's the strangest paradox to witness this in the confines of a breathing organism. What is "there" just infinity, a kind of totality without feature, beginning or end, the only "thing" that ever existed. And these ideas are just language, with no deeper meaning. Somehow you've always known, but you duped yourself in the process of the charade.

You can't maintain that kind of perspective, and those lines of thought go away. soon you go back to your daily life and it's just the same as always. But somewhere deep inside your heart a weight has been permanently lifted, you're free to live and work and worry and keep on the human charade for however long or short it goes on. From time to time, you forget entirely about the kind of insight you had. You're just as invested as you used to be. But every now and again, the insight rears its head, and you just know, there's nothing to worry about in this weightless play of light, each facet reflecting the one eternity.

>>18317921
as does the upanishads, and so does the yoga sutra, and the differant methods for ataining, these plebs want a quik enlightment with not work

File: the mighty bear grants us strength.gif (830KB, 320x164px)

830KB, 320x164px

>>18317497
no one is in on the secret, no one is enlightened. welcome to kali yuga.

>>18318672
Can confirm.

>>18317525
I gotta have a good meal

>>18317497
It's when you realize nothing means anything and its all in your head. Then you realize the only value is in our good connections to each other. Like an existential crisis followed by hope.

File: 1472891233217.jpg (47KB, 800x640px) Image search: [Google]

47KB, 800x640px

You don't understand.

You get told what enlightenment is all the time. You were told today what enlightenment was. And you didn't understand, because you wouldn't know what enlightenment was if you already were.

At the end of the day, the best way I can put is knowledge that everything is going to be okay. So just relax. And focus on those things you know you need to do, but have been putting off because you're worried that things aren't going to be okay.

That said, it's really more of a doing thing, than a knowing thing.

>>18319314
Also, i should say thats just the punchline, not the whole joke.

>>18317550
Winner.

To become enlightened is to be unburdened by existance

>>18317497
You wouldn't understand if I told you, because you aren't asking the right question.

>>18317497
mental illness.

>>18317497
I know what enlightenment is, and i can let you in on the big secret. Unfortunately, the big secret is more than likely so mundane and boring to you that it wouldn't matter.

I see so many people on this board looking for the equivalent of an enlightenment syringe that they can OD on and gain superpowers. Try looking at it this way. You already ARE enlightened, but convinced yourself to not be.

>>18317497
Do you like knowing the end of a movie while watching it?
You don't want to know it.

the secret is joy/happiness. there ya go. friend!

File: BBC.Planet.Earth.II.1of6.Islands.720p.HDTV.x264.AAC.MVGroup.org.mkv_snapshot_06.06_[2016.11.07_23.32.26].jpg (571KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

571KB, 1280x720px

>>18317497
You can literally achieve enlightenment by watching BBC Planet Earth.

>>18321551
and going to anti trump rallies while cross dressed as a woman

>>18317497
Buddhist monks describe enlightenment as simple wisdom.

It really depends on who's version of enlightenment we're talking about.

Simple wisdom is my preferred definition and it comes with time. It's not something that is easily explained and you need examples of certain lessons to truly be enlightened.

I am what some would call a primordial sage or druid, I mainly look at the lessons of nature. I even want to make one of my quotes famous.

"I know destiny by the nature of things"

To know the nature of something is to know it's destiny. The destiny of greed is to circumvent anything that stops profit and maximize any profits, so greed is destined to rule nations because that is where the most wealth is, you see this today with donations from corporate powers to politicians in an effort to win favor with those in power, it is also the nature of greed to bribe and threaten people in positions of power for greater profit, This means that anyone who is in the way will be bribed and if that fails they will be threatened with harm of them or their families.

Greed is truly a driving force for evil in many aspects of it.

I'm sorry for the poor grammar and sentence structure but I can't be bothered to be refined when it comes to something as unnecessary as putting dots in a sentence that would otherwise be perfectly understood anyway.

>>18317497
Because people aren't ready for the truth.

>>18322046
The truth usually isn't forced on people. People who have enough wisdom use examples to explain things. You find examples in every religious text and they are meant to be interpreted and the lesson learned from that interpretation. It is a kind way of doing it because not everyone is ready for the truth and those who are ready will interpret the example correctly.

I believe I was moderately enlightened.
I understand your question about it and your interest too.

But you must understand, that explaining a state of being is hard because instead of focusing on what you are experiencing, you simply enjoy the experience. A thought. A gust of wind. Some rain, what ever, you are at peace and choose to enjoy, cause you know, that is in your power.

>>18317497
those who know do not speak
those who speak do not know
go follow all degrees of thelema and you will know if you do the exercises

>>18322264
This!
Or read the laws in the Kybalion.

schizophrenia is enlightenment

If they aren't out to get you it's only because they've got you already.

File: CMETAHA.jpg (271KB, 597x600px)

271KB, 597x600px

>>18317497
Just visit 4+4chan pol and learn meme magick.
Enlightenment is realising that mind rules over matter and by synchronicity masses can afffect reality(or strongly willed individuals). Also reincarnation is real, karma is self-induced. That's what it means to be enlightened to me but I'm pretty sure everyonne has a little different answer.

>>18322570
so 4+4 chan has essentially arrived at a chaos magick worldview without most of them probably even knowing what that is? very interesting
they're quite right to a large degree too

I can explain it in depth if anyone cares.

In my experience though, no one really cares. At most people are initially curious, but as soon as I begin to talk about the necessary work required to move beyond the limits of conceptual understanding, they lose interest all of a sudden.

Very few people are willing to do whatever it takes to directly experience and therefore comprehend enlightenment as it truly is. As a matter of fact, most people find the notion of putting forth all of one's effort towards this goal to be so upsetting that they'll go to extreme lengths to ignore and avoid it whenever possible. And when confronted about it, they'll claim such a task is farfetched and doesn't exist, not just for themselves, but for all people who exist.

>>18322666
we call those people cabbages anon

>>18317544
You can explain the symptoms of it, but not the disease itself. An enlightened person may outwardly appear angry and use force when necessary, but on the inside is never angry at anyone or anything. An enlightened person does not become excessively sad or happy due to outward life events. etc... just an inner impassivity or wuwei which is very impressive when actually attained. The enlightened person is naturally benevolent and respected by other people without being weak or enslaving themselves to other people's opinions of them. But the inner mindset or EXACT process that brings you to this is impossible to describe.

>>18322666
Go ahead.

>>18317971
We can't say that because we don't have an actual understanding of what time is beyond a physical ordering and direct observation. There are no credible theories that explain time.

>>18322689
To begin, I will be direct and to the point: calmness of mind leads to insight into the absolute nature of all phenomena. The development of calmness is the result of purification of mind, which can also be regarded as nondistraction, or one-pointed concentration of mind from a practicing perspective. That is, when the mind is no longer distracted by the temporary appearances and inherently restricted forms of what could be called illusory or dualistic perception, it begins to see that which lies beyond.

This process is often simply referred to as meditation by those who practice diligently and regularly, but to be more precise, this process encompasses all manner of day-to-day activities, as the ultimate goal is to _unceasingly_ work towards freeing oneself from karmic bondage, as opposed to merely putting in "practice sessions," as that is simply not enough to get the job done and achieve a fully liberated state. For those who are skeptical about the notion of karma, another way of looking at it is the fullscale nonattachment of sensory influences which distract and promote turbulent and restless states of mind. This is not to imply one eliminates sensory appearances from one's worldly life (as that is impossible), but rather one becomes mindful of their true (empty) nature as they appear, thus rendering them inert in terms of harmful influence. The harmful influence I speak of here is the short-sighted compulsion to sustain or increase one's bondage and attachment to the perpetual cycle of suffering, death, ignorance...

This is a basic common theme of various east/west meditative traditions I draw from. However when it comes to actual practice techniques and finding ways to reach and unceasing level of calmness and insight into the absolute nature of things, that is where my interests mostly lie. In my experience, conceptual theory (such as this post) is best used as a reminder of experiences attained through diligent and sincere practice.

>>18317497
Enlightenment is a big sham. Buddha only got enlightenment because that's where he chose to end the conversation. However, those truly thinking about the meaning of life don't merely stop where Buddha left off - in fact, Buddha stopped right when it gets good.

>>18322910
Interesting

>>18317497
There was once a king who ruled over a very inhospitable land, full of crags, deserts, and swamps. People lived in poverty, barely earning enough to boil a pot of water, and this concerned the king.

The king had three advisers. He had a general, a merchant, and a fool. He asked his general, "How do I help my people?"

The general said, "We need to invade our neighbors and take their land!"

The king did not want to do this, because then people would die, and he did not want people to die.

The king then asked the merchant the same question.

The merchant said, "We should lower taxes so people can save money."

But the king did not want to do this either, because the kingdom's treasury was already scarce, and protecting the kingdom would be impossible with lower taxes.

The king finally asked the fool how to help the people of the kingdom.

The fool exclaimed, "Do nothing!"

The king said, "What of my people, fool?"

The fool said, "Trust in me."

>>18323102

The king was hesitant, but relented to the fool. He did nothing.

Over the next year, the kingdom flourished. Dry rivers ran blue with fresh water. Rain fell for the first time in many years. Mountains delivered bounties of fruits. People became rich, and the treasury had to be renovated to hold all the gold bullion.

The king one day asked the fool, "How did you know by waiting, we would prosper?"

The fool did not look at the king. "I didn't."

The king gasped. "What? You didn't know? You put my people at risk for a guess?"

The fool stared out the castle window. "If I was right, we would have lost no lives in war and save every coin we had."

The king reclined in his throne. "What if you were wrong?"

The fool looked at the king. "We would have all perished, and it wouldn't matter then."

The king did not know whether to hang the fool for his recklessness or praise him for his wisdom. But something else bothered the king.

"Why do anything at all, then?"

The fool smiled and walked away. "Why do you think I am a fool?"

File: FB_IMG_1478394941537.jpg (31KB, 640x640px)

31KB, 640x640px

>>18317497
Focus on light. Hyperfocus on light. Not your opinion on light. Not on how light works. Just the light itself.

This >>18317525

Also be observant of your surroundings, try and find the hints that relate to you and nature and discover what they mean. Find focus, let go of fear and abolish stress and tension. Be good to your body with right action and the supporting conditions for right mind will arise.

>>18323106
i dont get it

>>18317583
>So things are still out of your control
Out of my conscious control. If subconsciously I am feeling good vibes reality will be good. This is why I can't consciously try and manifest $1000 into my wallet at any time.

>>18324463
There's nothing to get, my friend.

>>18317497

Enlightenment is the steady release of DMT in your brain. Happy? And no, its not simple to achieve, but some of life's questions that some people who know the answers falsely equate to being enlightened are pretty simple. But you won't achieve enlightenment simply by knowing

For example the meaning of life is nothing more or less then the experience of life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3w608RyPqo

>>18317497

You're enlightened if you believe you are enlightened. Just like you are brave if you act brave. There is no difference in being brave and acting brave. And there is no difference in being smart and acting smart. What difference is there? What difference between being beautiful and acting beautiful? That one is genuine and the other is learnt? If the answers is the same, the way you got to it doesn't matter. You can solve it the long way, you can solve it the short way, or you can look at the back of the book for answers. There are many paths to enlightenment, and you've taken a very important first step to achieving it, which is just desiring it. If you proclaim "I am enlightened" then so you will be. And people will turn their heads and listen. They will say hear this boy. Hear this girl. As the birds sing so will you.

Play the part and know your role. If you don't then it will show. In a riddle or a rhyme there is truth that you may find. In a stick or leaf of grass there is fire there is gas. Think of how the time goes by. Think of how the birds fly. Chances are you are the same. Never ending never lame. Close your eyes and see the light. One two three it's bright. Amid all the darkness in the world none is brightly shines as gold. Be careful what you take with you. Forever it can haunt you too.

>>18322910
Today I saw it. I saw the big lie I am in front of me. Everything I was sure about, the things I don't ever question were not sudently truths. But I couldn't get past the lie. I never can.
I know I was in similar state many times before and everytime I was sure I will remember the sensation of it. But I couldn't remeber. Sometimes years passed before I experienced it again.
Tell me what do I do? I don't want my life to pass by while I am seated comfortably in my ignorance. I know there is something more and I don't want to forget this time.

>>18324463
When you die nothing matters and you can't suffer. When you are alive you are doing everything you can to live. Even if it is painful. And the question is. Why? When you are dead you don't suffer but you choose to suffer to live.
Why is it? Is it feeling? A sensation? It is so strong we can even go through a torture but we even can't point a finger on it?

File: Kajiri Kamui Kagura Hajun.jpg (824KB, 1845x1077px) Image search: [Google]

824KB, 1845x1077px

>>18324838
>Why? When you are dead you don't suffer but you choose to suffer to live.
>Why is it? Is it feeling? A sensation? It is so strong we can even go through a torture but we even can't point a finger on it?
Fortuna amicos conciliat inopia amicos probat Exempla.

Levis est fortuna id cito reposcit quod dedit ashnaal. Non solum fortuna ipsa est caeca sed etiam eos caecos facit quos semper adiuvat. Misce stulitiam consiliis brevem dulce est despiere in loco.

Ede bibe lude post mortem nulla voluptas.

>>18317525
>>18324208
so this "enlightenment" meme is just basically stop giving a fuck about anything and anyone but yourself?

>>18324838
Look at what that feeling really is. You don't know. You just don't. Why do you so blindly believe it? Compare pleasure and pain. How do you know that the sensation of pleasure is good and you want it. And on the other hand the sensation of pain is bad. You can't stand pain and you don't know why. You just know it. You know it and you don't question it. And why would you? It is so obvious as the reality is. But if you really think about it it really is not obvious. Just like reality is not obvious. But it feels obvious and we live our lifes in ignorance without knowing the truth.

>>18317497
There is no such thing as enlightenment and everyone has been lying to you this entire time so that you will give them money

>>18324807

There is no magic secret to getting back to the undisturbed, natural state of mind. In this case the formula to success is knowledge of the fundamentals (i.e. _traditional_ meditative theory and practice), paired along with hard work and constant dedication, regardless of your personal circumstance. A reasonable degree of faith is also required until the methods begin yield positive results and prove their worth. Without these essential elements, failure is inevitable regardless of how "intelligent" and "exceptional" one may regard oneself as.

Again, it cannot be overemphasized that you cannot afford to be lax when it comes to this endeavor: it is the most critical task for a human being to undertake. You must treat it as such, and mobilize all of the inner-resolve at your disposal, if you are to ensure that steady and productive advancements are made over time.

>>18324881
This is amazing what is it?

>>18324896
Do you genuinely care about someone else? If so be nice to them. If not then just take care of yourself, but don't be mean to others.

>>18324896
Nah that's just being a self centered smug prick. Maybe it's the same thing, I don't know.

>>18324965
I am glad I found out about enlightenment when I am quite young.
Are you enlightened? Could you tell me something about yourself?

>>18324991

Self-seeking >--------------|--------------< Self-centered
Good Intent Evil Intent

Pay attention.
That's literally all there is to it.

>>18317497
It's just a feeling people get when they think they figured out life.

>>18325003
Enlightenment is a goal I have yet to reach, but I consider it my highest priority in life and work towards it as best I can. Results from my practice lead me to agree with traditional views of it as being the culmination of unceasing meditative effort. As a matter of fact, the word "nonmeditation" is often used to describe enlightenment in practice terms, because it is characterized as being unceasing and _effortless_, whereas meditation is regarded as being an activity which depends on the application of mindful effort, and is susceptible to fatigue.

Currently I am focused on expanding the duration and depth of my practice at all times of the day, in all situations I encounter. Of course meditating on calmness away from worldly distractions is important as well, but at the moment I am focusing on the application of insight upon worldly phenomena, in pursuit of strengthening my ability to become more directly aware of the inherent emptiness of things, at all times.

I would like to add that focusing on calmness and insight is like a balancing act because each strengthens the other, and each weakens the other when one is neglected. For example, deepening one's calmness sharpens insight like sharpening a knife, which in turn allows one's insight to better penetrate beyond the veil of illusory appearances, revealing their absolute state: It "cuts away" and produces nonattachment much more effectively than a dull knife. On the other side, to neglect insight is to leave one vulnerable to distracting influences when not in a mindful practicing form: being susceptible in this unmindful state degrades practice by sustaining and perpetuating the very habits one seeks to break away from.

>>18325028
"Enlightened" people sure do love talking about themselves and how enlightened they are for a self seeking person. Almost as if it was just another ploy for attention.

>>18324155
Anyone else here feel like your brain works on a white light operating system?

>>18317909
>
Skillful Means bruv.

>>18325268
just the opposite. my mind is just fucking black. no edge intended.

>>18317497
After i studied many gnostic books, including Bhagavad-Gita and others i have conclude that best book that explains almost "stiintific" what is illumination is Zhuan Falun. Search for it, it's free and translated in over 100 languages.

For me was an "Aha!' moment. The only "bummer" is that once you understand what's your path, it's damn hard to follow it. But at the end of the road you receive greatest "prize" one can have: the truth!

>>18317497
enlightenment is spreading the idea that people can be enlightened. nothing else until possibly after death. but nobody ever gives a time limit for when after death.

Jesus Christ this thread is garbage.

OP, if you're still here, read very carefully.

There is no such thing as 'Enlightenment'. It is literally a meme. People may delude themselves into happiness, but it's all the same religious gobbledygook. People are happy or not, but 'Enlightenment' is a form of happiness based on emotional masturbation, basically. The problem is both the deeply religious and people on /x/ are very smug about it, and act like they have some kind of hidden knowledge.

Of course it is a garbage meme.

If the opposite were true and it actually exists for those who deserve it, the pain of knowing you have wasted the precious opportunities life has given you would be unbearable.

>>18326753
this

a lot of /x/, hell, the spiritual community in general is swelling yourself up with "oh i read such and such, i've learned how to clear my mind and simply EXPERIENCE life" and it's rlly obvious jerkoff ego-pandering material

>>18326940

That sounds like Hell.

Imagine having such a moment of clarity in old age or at the end of life, and its too late to do anything about it. Ending on that note is the definition of your fate since everything has led up to that irreversible point.

>>18318025
>It's the concept that everything in the world happens as it is supposed to

Atheist here.

This is not necessarily true. I suppose it's one way to interpret determinism, but it's not the most commonly held view. "Supposed" is a problematic word that suggests purpose. Purpose is a human construct that doesn't necessarily reflect reality.

The purest view of determinism suggests that everything that happens couldn't have happened any other way, not because cause and effect are guided by some kind of metaphysical force, but because every event that happens is the natural effect of some cause that was the natural effect of some other cause etc for as far back as reality goes.

Anyway, I admit we don't know everything about how our brains work... but some neuroscience that's been done in the past few decades seems to support determinism.

Stepping into the open door is what you might call "enlightenment". For example, it's like being lost in a dark maze and suddenly someone increases the light and now you see that there is a door that escapes the maze.
Practically speaking, it's an increase in awareness in which something that was subconscious becomes conscious.
Is there a state of Enlightenment? I'm sure there is the ILLUSION of a state... But imo true enlightenment passes just as The Sun passes each day.

File: Screenshot_20161029-225803.png (3MB, 2560x1440px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 2560x1440px

>>18317497
/x/ can't give you a straight answer to anything because it's filled with the most plebiest, cringiest, dumbest, scientificly illerate, want-to-believers. Religion is bullshit and so is anything that goes along with it.

It's being able to live at all times from a third person point of view.

That's 100% the truth. That's as basic as I can put it.

>>18332302
lots of people do this, I have been,doing this since i was in high school. i do not believe you

>>18332405
Then don't believe me.

>>18332302

This is a v. good explanation. Intellectually understanding the absolute truth is a very low bar. The trick is being able to shoot yourself in the head calmly

>>18332302
i believe you as stupid as it sounds.

File: 1461316659302.jpg (335KB, 576x576px)

335KB, 576x576px

>>18326940
>>18327052
The pain of regret can be deep, but unbearable? Hell? I think that is the kind of self-fulfilling prophecy of failure that this very spirituality aims to alleviate. A lot of what you learn from deep introspection is to move on from the past, to see how much of a hindrance the baggage of expectation is to your ability to learn and continue growing.

At the same time, I understand where you're coming from. It does sound like a bullshit meme. For me personally, the wisdom I find the most use for now comes from ideas that I believed for most of my life were trite platitudes. Context matters a lot, and that's why the important part of the meme is that most of the lessons learned are formed in personal associations of wisdom and circumstance. Enlightenment is a journey. No one can tell you the inexpressible secret as powerfully as your mind. The point is that you have to look until your mind starts telling you that you've found the real truth, whatever you decide that to be.

File: thiquanchi.jpg (139KB, 1200x802px) Image search: [Google]

139KB, 1200x802px

It's rather simple, actually. You just need to apply to a Buddhist, Jainist, Krishna or other bullshit nihilistic religion like that and then spend the rest of your life, up until your death, when you'll finally ascend moments before you pass away.

the issue is that enlightenment means different things to different people.
also depends on if you mean abrahamic enlighenment, or eastern, buddhist, hindu, whatever.

i personally believe that enlightenment is the cessation of the ego, i cease to exist as a thinking entity and become just the sum of my physical matter in the world. i let go of my desires, hates, no longer let emotions influence my actions but acknowledge their existance.

i dont know if such a state exists, but i believe if i live naturally it will come naturally.

maybe i already have it. i dont know. but i dont mind either way.

>>18317497
enlightenment is kinda like strolling down a park with your dog, without leash or boundaries of sort, with both you following the dog and the dog following you in mutual agreement, except the dog is also you.
it's the state of mind when subconscious doesn't contrast the conscious, no suppression nor abandonment for one or the other, just understanding and acceptance.
the easy part is making the conscious aware of what an emotion is to express it as needed; the hard part is un-teaching the subconscious about the necessities and expectations it has been indoctrinated into.
the first part through meditation, the second part through restructuring of habits.

n.b. this is not done in isolation, don't be a sperglord, the others are also (you).

File: pocik.jpg (291KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

291KB, 1920x1080px

I'll just dump my theory based on what Alan Watts said and maybe some of my personal experiences.
Trying to get there is like trying to catch your back, every step you take towards it you move a step away. He speaks about it as if you're telling the devil you're going away so he always catches you, it has to be done 100% spontaneously. So it leaves you in a situation where you don't have much will to do anything.
But what I noticed you can do is to realize you are not your thoughts, you can notice them appear but if you don't hook up to them they disappear and it goes for any thoughts even for the one that makes you and your surrounding explanation, so this kind of practice can get you somewhere deep within but I'm not sure if it's what people call enlightenment.

>>18317497
because it means something different to everyone.

>>18317497
mass enlightenment of the proles is your government/elite's worst nightmare. They can't rule over god-like people who can see through their bullshit. That's the reason so many shills are rushing here to make the matter more confusing.
I suggest you dig into Kundalini awakening/Yoga to learn about the process. There are people already engaged on that path who make videos on youtube.

>>18317497
Enlightenment is self perpetual. It's simplicity is in that only you can understand how it works for you. It's based your experiences. Basically, my enlightenment is mine, yours is yours. There is no instruction manual. Either you get it or you don't. This is the simplicity. It's not enigmatic. It's the state of 'being' without pain and turmoil, without yesterday and tomorrow.

>>18335519

Genuine inner-work is obfuscated for multiple reasons. Apart from shills attempting to misdirect sincere workers, there are also small-minded and petty people who are simply jealous, lazy, ignorant, delusional, egotistical, etc. Thats the most likely possibility here since there are so many of these people out in the world.

Of course they'll reveal themselves by always chiming in with their ideas as if they're on par with those who confirm their findings through actual hard work and discipline. Its no different than delusional weaklings (both physical and mental) boasting about how they can fight and hang with pro-fighters who have been training tried-and-true methods for years and years. Ask them about what kind of work they put in day-to-day, and they'll either come up with some bullshit excuse, or outright lie about their diligence. Sometimes they'll realize they're full of shit, but thats highly unlikely in most cases. Ignorance is bliss.

Anyway, all of this is to be expected given the current state of the world and dharma. Its been foreseen and similar situations have been overcome in the past. As long as there are people sincerely practicing tried-and-true methods, no matter how small the movement, those deserving of power to change things for the better will rise above all obstructive worldly influences (and those who are controlled by such things). Its no different from turning on a light which causes darkness to immediately flee from one's presence.

I'd tell you about a form of enlightenment (more like temporary ascension) but I was told not to tell anyone when I was taught this.

It is indeed pretty simple to describe and write down, but from what I've experienced it is very hard to practice and I've only been able to achieve 5-10 minute sessions uninterrupted.

During "enlightenment" or "ascension" (or any myriad of names you want) the feeling I get is how Herman Hesse described Sakyamuni Buddha in Siddharta.

>>18319305
Im a cat who loves to snooze

>>18318512

I doubt anyone would tell others they were, because you and many others would doubt.

It's the ultimate realisation, and a concept that cannot be expressed to those who are attached to our meat puppet bodies and the associated 'sins'.

I can see even in this thread there are those that are.

>>18317497

Mindful awareness.

I am Aldrich; thou art stupid

>>18317497
Suffering just means you’re having a bad dream. Happiness means you’re having a good dream. Enlightenment means getting out of the dream altogether.

Think of your thoughts. How are they formed? How are they communicated to you? The fact is, there is a secret with a rich history. It's hinted at constantly to you and you don't realize it. Knowing that, and what it is, is at least a form of enlightenment about the world you live in and much of what you are, believe, think, and feel. Know yourself, know the components that make "you" you.

Use the paradoxical koans in the Gospel of Thomas as your primary guide. Along with Genesis, and a lot of songs, movies, and art. This is art. Enlightenment in the creative. The "no mind" zen form of enlightenment is a fleeting, impractical kind that ultimately will do little to address the real questions you have while you are "here."

>>18336797
>Gospel of Thomas

Heresy detected

>>18336804
Dumb. Are you aware of the concept of "parallax" view. The fruit that hangs on the left side of the tree has a different view of the ground than the fruit on the right side of the tree. Both are correct.

>>18317514 not enlightened
>>18317544 totally not enlightened
>>18317550 most definitely not enlightened
>>18317559 not enlightened.
>>18317565 not enlightened.
>>18317569 not enlightened.
>>18317583 not enlightened fer sure.
>>18317596 never gonna be enlightened.
>>18317603 not enlightened.
>>18317909 definitely not enlightened.
>>18317921 LOL never going to be enlightened chink.
>>18317922 not enlightened in the least.
>>18317971 very far from being enlightened.
>>18318017 not enlightened.
>>18318029 not enlightened.
>>18318242 not enlightened.
>>18318294 not getting any more enlightened brah.
>>18318512 u will def never get enlightened.
>>18318672 almost enlightened but not quite yet, keep going.
>>18319314 nope. not enlightened.
>>18317550 probably the least enlightened post in this entire thread.
>>18322026 not enlightened.
>>18322666 100% not enlightened.
>>18322689 not enlightened
>>18322910 not enlightened.
>>18324155 definitely definitely not enlightened in the slightest.
>>18324748 nope. not enlightened.
>>18324750 nope. not enlightened.
>>18324807 not enlightened.
>>18324965 not enlightened.
>>18325120 sounds like you are trying too hard. Verdict: not enlightened.
>>18325130 not enlightened.
>>18325268 retarded but also not enlightened.
>>18326753 lol not enlightened. ur a faget.
>>18326940 not enlightened.
>>18332001 not enlightened.
>>18333613 not enlightened.
>>18334026 not enlightened.
>>18336609 retarded and not enlightened.
>>18336797 not even close to being enlightened.
>>18336813 not enlightened.

>>18317497

>Hurr the taste of milk is so easy to discern - how come nobody can explain what it tastes to me who never tasted it properly

>>18317631

/thread.