do we? talked about this with some people and a lot of them

>>18237619
Fuck off retard

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>>18237619
a distinct possibility.

>>18237631
quality post

>>18237619
I've been thinking a lot about this and we probably are

>>18237619
what if we do live in a simulated reality?

what if "escaping" the simulated reality actually ends our existence, as if members of the population attempted to 'escape' a game of sim city and ceased existing?

It's not a computer simulation, it's more like a dream, except there is no waking world.

>>18237619
There exists 1,158.00 different paths you can take at any given time

>>18237699
if it's a dream but there's no waking world, then it's not a dream, it's something else altogether. damn you need some practice with metaphor.

>>18237722
I never said it was a dream, I said it was more like a dream than a computer simulation. There are obvious differences.

>>18237685
There is a way to escape though and soon everyone will know

>>18237734
How soon?

>>18237734
*without ending our existence

>>18237732
ok, my bad. but dreams are defined as a function of the mind which exists in the waking world, perhaps you could refine what you mean?

THiS Election certainly seems fake/bullshit/arranged.. Yeah shit feels like a movie-a bad movie... maybe they need programming help jeesh!

It's an elitist lie to make us more willing to submit the will of the ruling class. Notice how its only rich assholes like Musk and a handful of celebrity """scientists""" who frequently appear on US state media and also tend to be lobbyist who are proposing this asinine hypothesis. One of the solutions to surviving us "finding out we are a simulation" is to enter a VR simulation, load of bullshit.

>>18237766
Computer programs rely on binary machine language and a physical hardware to base themselves off of.

We are based off of the void, literally nothing. Everything springs forth from nothing.

Once, I thought real hard about it for 47 seconds and I came to the conclusion that the theory of this reality being simulated makes a lot of sense.

>>18237619
The simulation hypothesis looks like atheists saying "Oh shit, the universe looks like it was designed, but we can't admit there might be some kind of Creator, because that would fuck up our whole ideology. Uh...I know! The universe is a simulation being run on a computer somewhere!"

"But isn't that literally just Intelligent Design in all but name?"

"Shut the fuck up!"

>>18237788
They're really is a "bearded man" judging us, a neck beard with cheeto dust fingers and a fedora.
It still sounds like a load of shit.

>>18237749
I don't know.

We're down to months now, i'd say.

>>18237788
i'm not an atheist and i find it a plausible idea

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>>18237619
better question. if we live in the matrix, or we native to it, or are we from the outside. if we are native we just have no reason to care about the outside since we will never be able to leave this place unless those outside decide to build a robot where we can load our minds into.

if we arent native there are new questions. maybe we almost destroyed ourselves and made everything outside unbarren with the only means of surviving by putting everyone into a coma to reduce nutricions needed and electrecity for light and everything with only a few awake to maintain everything. our minds probably wiped so we can live peacefull without having to think about the bad stuff all the time.
maybe we created worldpeace and are so advanced we could do everything we imagined without any effort. everything we want can just be brought into existence by some 3D printer or robot or something and there is nothing thrilling anymore about life. so they created a simulation where they can live like their ancastors, with their troubles and achivements and everything. reliving from their view to experience those times themselves.

if we are native there is another question. why does this simulation exist? maybe some other race wanted to find out what the meaning of live is and thought it would be quicker to make a speaded up simulation of life. those lifeforms in the simulation eventually came to the same question. "why are we here?" and created another simulation inside the simulation to find out the purpose of the simulation they lived in. those inside the second simulation maybe did that as well and somewhere along the line is our reality.

now a simulation is never perfect. just like the copy of a copy of a copy gets worse and worse so does a simulation of a simulation of a simulation. So what is the basereality like? it could be completely different. to different for us to even imagine

>>18237734
would we even want to escape if we knew what that would bring?

>>18237842
Some people certainly would. This life has not been kind to everyone.

>>18237849
it's awful, i'm an opiate addict. everyday is suffering. If i could become blissfully ignorant should i? is death equivalent to deep sleep (lack of consciousness) and is there a difference between dying from external factors and suicide?

>>18237849
*anyone
ftfy

>>18237833
regarding nativity, that's a good question.

imagine exploring a completely different reality by piloting some kind of robot sensorium that gives you the ability to percieve something otherwise nonexistant to us. that would be awesome.

>>18237619

Why haven't you tried to unplug yourself and prove it then, neofag?

>>18237903
OP isn't being a neofag, he's just posing the question to spur conversation.

>>18237868
but how do we know that that reality is the "real" one. i mean maybe they are just trapped in a simulation as well. or maybe they created another simulation telling us that is reality in order to not fuck up the other simulation since we came behind it, or just to see how we behave if we are released into what we think is reality? how can we know that the sensors are accurately percieving the surroundings, and how do we know that our mind processes the percieved the right way? how do we know at all what is real.
here is a line of thought that bothers me for some time:
What is the universe? The universe is everything we observe right? But everyone observes something different. Maybe he lives somewhere else observing another region. he lives in another time observing another age. Or even more directly. You walk through the woods at night. There is some noise in the bush. You think there is a cat in the bush and you walk on. The next guy goes the same route, heres the same noise, but thinks there is a wild beast in the bush, a monster even, and runs away scared. So one guy observed a cat, the other one a monster. How do you know which one is real? You would say the cat one I guess because monsters dont exist. But they do for the other guy. What about people with hallucinations? Is their reality less worth because they see things you dont. But maybe the issue isnt with them seeing it, but with you not seeing it. Now we observe things, and interpret our observations. (to be continued)

>>18237934
>>18237868
(part 2)
And this interpretation is our reality. Since everyone interprets stuff differently we all are experiencing different realities. The reality can enhance or alter itself by observing new informations. Some people dont like that. They like their current reality, so they dismiss anything changing, or for them damaging the reality. Thats when ignorance happens. However how can it be that everyone is living another reality? Doesnt science say there are multiple universes? That they all inhabit basically the same space but are still seperated somehow? And informations somehow being able to cross those dimensions?
We are the universe. Everyone is a universe by himself. By talking and communicating we axchange data with other universes. We live on the same planet/same place but still are somehow seperated (by our body) but still connected through communication.
So doesnt have there to be an underlying truth? Thats where mememagic comes into play. When we observe and interpret/decode something, we also rewrite it for ourself to fit the way we interpret it, and exchange that data again. When now majority of people focus on one single kind of reality we decode it into that, and by talking with other about the idea/perception/decoding we implement that code into the universe of others. If now many do that with the same thought or idea lots and lots of code gets implemented into the other universes/minds and either handled as bullshit or truth. The more people see it as truth, the more people will talk with others about this being the truth, the right interpretation of the code, and by doing that we alter reality.

>>18237945
so lets use mememagic to make the sun disappear!

>>18237971
the thing for that to happen you would have many many many people to really believe that deep down. (implying im correct). but since everyone sees the sun that wont happen. we may could meme the sun into being something different that looks like it. maybe we can meme the earth flat if we get more flat earthers. maybe it was memed into a globe and was flat at the beginning.

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>>18237945
if we're creatures native to the "universe" of some greater individual mind, basically if humanity is nothing more than thought processes in the immense brainmind of something else, for meme magic to actually effect really *real* reality we'd actually have to detect and define the presence of this greater overmind and focus magic on effecting THAT instead of our small universe of universes.

>>18237987
yeah, we cant influence the higher reality, but probably this reality we live in.
>I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
>7"Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes."
>8Arise, O God, judge the earth! For it is You who possesses all the nations.…- Jesus

We are gods. but we forgot how to god. so in order to god now we have to focus our minds very strongly onto something to make it happen. the more people do it the stronger the effect. you can channel thoughts of multiple people through symbols. kek/pepe being one symbol all of /pol/or even 4 chan focuses their powers upon, as a joke or serious probably doesnt even matter. And the elites figured that probably out

im off to sleep. im gonna look into here later again. so keep posting

>>18238004
alright, goodnight.

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Remember, FBI bro confirmed that "Perception creates reality"

>>18237863
Weak pleb druggie

>>18238222
trips of truth, but what do you think about the thread topic?

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>>18237619
No, because all of you would be the simulations.

If I can perceive myself then I know I'm the only "real" person because there's no sense filling a simulation up with real people when all you need is one real person and add infinitum simulated ones.

So no, simulated reality is not real, because since I am real you the simulation would not try to convince me that everything around me including you is not real. Simulations are constrained by the programmer's design afterall, so why would the programmer leave in a design flaw when there is a real person in the simulation?

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>>18237619

By the power of Newton's flaming laser sword I declare this debate useless since the above statement is impossible to prove right nor wrong.

Seriously though, Fuck off.

You can't even debate about this since there is no way to prove anything about it. This is as asbract as god damned religions.

>>18237619
>tfw *I* live in a simulated reality and everyone and everything around me is fake and generated specifically to interact with me
>tfw there's s few thousand human scattered around to throw in a curveball. I could know them personally or I could never meet another in my life and I couldn't tell
It's how I notice that things start popping up around me. Like, for example when you learn a new word that you've never seen or heard ANYWHERE before, but once you hear it for the first time it's fckn everywhere. Or like the year 1987. Used to be a perfectly ordinary year but after a certain videogame made it an important point all of a sudden I'm seeing it mentioned all the time.
The name Daquan being used as a stereotypical nignog name. Never heard it once until I met a black guy named that. Now I see it everywhere.

>>18237811
second

>>18237619
It's not like we live in an era where technology and science is fucking worshipped and people like Jobs are the equivallent to fucking Jesus who died for your apps, with macfags going around with a book that depicts his life and tell you about how much hardships he's been through and how great he was... oh shit
It's no fucking surprise that people'd think we live in a fucking computer program and that fucking God is probably the ultimate geeky programmer who was tired of fapping to normal porn so he bestowed us with traps and all the gay shit that defines the 21st fucking century, because our understanding of the world is defined by what's "in" right now and after 2k years of literally nothing happening with all that biblical bullshit, humanity suddenly turns it's faith in something that few understand but everyone can see that it's working and that injecting nanomachines in your bloodstream someday would grant you eternal life. How fucking neat is that. I think it's pretty neat. I'm off to my daily neature walk.

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>>18237842
I would take the red pill. In the end 2 + 2 still equals 4, regardless of how much some people want to believe otherwise. I'll see them in hell- if we aren't already there.

>>18237619
Odds are that we aren't, but the possibility is cool because if it's true I'd make myself the God of the simulation

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>>18237631
matrix-mod detected

>>18239050
the pound went from 50$ to 85$. oh my precious shekels.

>>18239070
fish still about 2 dollars, tank 150$.

>>18237619

I tripped out on shrooms a couple months back and went to a place that looked like it was made up of code, just like the matrix shit.

I could see people hooked up to lines of code including myself, whilst this was happening i felt as if i was not meant to be seeing what i was seeing next thing i know i was spotted by a woman who looks similar to the one in OP picture and she bolted towards me scaling the lines of code. I couldnt help but open my eyes anf was suddenly thrown out of that trip/dimension

>>18237945
Could this be why movies and media are pushed so heavily along certain narratives?

Dangerous aliens, magic/reality distortion not being real or is used for evil, governments/military pictured as good and necessary

>>18237634
I think you missed the imagery in that movie. When he freezes the bullets it parallels having thoughts of yourself being hurt or killed. Eventually you realize you control what happens in those fantasies and you can choose to make the scenario play out how ever you want

Don't get me started on the smiths.

>>18239103
That was a hallucination you experienced on a hallucinatory drug.

>>18237788

Simulation theory is a bunch of scientists saying the next step of quantum computing has brought us to the possibility of creating our own simulation. It isn't as far fetched as you idiots think.

>>18237631
This made me laugh out loud

log entry day #4508
woke up today still alive, whatever that means.
how long is this going to last?
If I kill myself will I just be another baby having to go through this hell again?

>>18237775
> It's an elitist lie to make us more willing to submit the will of the ruling class

lol you have it kind of backward, I can say for myself realising this reality isnt real make me want to rebel.

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https://vimeo.com/129609470

Society is a factory built by Fallacy. A factory for the mass production of human thralls.

Yes we live in a simulated reality, but not physically: it is a social and cultural simulation.

Social media platforms are massively multiplayer social acceptance video games. Likes, favorites, subscribes, replies, shares, follows - they're all video game mechanics with scores. Another way of looking at it is that social acceptance has been commodified - turned into quantitative values - and then monetized for profit to serve ads. Social media has also commodified our most basic social interactions as well, they are virtual reality worlds, simulacra of authentic social interactions, and because of the gamified social acceptance element one becomes part of the shared delusion of it.

These social interactions are then monetized to learn how to better serve ads and target demographics, which further undermines the agency of people by creating endless striving for products and services to fulfill the hole in their being reinforced by consumer culture, including ideological products. What flavor of emotion-driven madness do you prefer?

This is a hideous, self-reinforcing cycle we're in, and it's no wonder that politics has become even more of a dysfunctional circus than it was, with crazy identity politics on the right and left, the drive towards ever greater extremes. Nothing sells content, page views, and likes like fear, hatred, and wanting to find someone to blame, reinforcing the hivemind mentality of these increasingly insular social groups.

This is just social media, but it applies to just about everything in society as well. Values, self-image, esteem, everything is a product now, a facade to wear as a hat or shirt.

The Matrix is postmodern critique. At the heart of the problem is the clockwork universe everything-as-machine paradigm: first with Cartesian Dualism, and now with reductionistic scientism and technology-worship.

stardate 123976158. have discovered a strange area populated by ghost enthusiasts. Have sold soul three times, been to twelve seances. And currently hiking northern Canada looking for Sasquatch.

>>18237775
I believe that they believe in it 100%. Mechanism is the ruling paradigm in society even though it has been dismantled in philosophy and physics. Our whole society is based on mechanistic premises, it is our hyperreality. Egotistical tech-billionaires are even more immersed in it, ruling machine-companies in a machine-economy.

CNP:
The Wachowski Brothers were keen that all involved understood the thematic background of the movie. For example, the book used to conceal disks early in the movie, Simulacra and Simulation, a 1981 work by the French philosopher Jean Baudrillard, was required reading for most of the principal cast and crew. The Matrix Trilogy works specifically within the postmodern theory of Jean Baudrillard, whose Simulacra and Simulation makes its appearance in The Matrix in the "Follow Instructions" scene. Neo opens a copy of Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation to a chapter entitled "On Nihilism." The hardcover book is hollow, serving as Neo's hiding place for black market software. He opens the book at the halfway point; the opening page of the final chapter, "On Nihilism," lies to the left while the right half is a hollowed out storage area. First note that the opening page of the chapter was displaced to the left side of the book when it would normally be found on the right. Add to this the fact that "On Nihilism" is the book's last chapter, not a middle chapter, and it appears that the directors have deliberately placed this chapter in the shot to direct viewers to a specific referential point for the film. Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation, in fact, is so intricately woven into the narrative structure that the movie can be described as a conscious validation of Baudrillard's theory.

>>18239416
Talk about the Smiths

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>>18237619
It's like the god theory, if we're in a simulation then maybe who ever is running that is also a simulation.

>>18237619
If it's simulated or not, what's the difference? It's not less real than it was before we made the discovery. Our thoughts, our actions etc still matter the same. Experience is still possible, simulation or no.

Hell, anyone advanced enough to simulate a reality as complex as ours would be godlike to us.

So in an esoteric sense, this simulation hypothesis is really just a reinvention of God. With more mechanical steps.

>>18239553
DARN IT! When you're just discovering finding all of this stuff out it seems like during conversation different people say the exact same things as if they were turning into the same person. Long story short, we're all smith.

If you ever figure out you're dreaming and try to do things that maybe you shouldn't you get a taste of the smith or 'dream police' action too.

>>18239576
What do you mean with things i shouldnt?

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>>18237863
should have done acid faggot. you would know everything by now. kys.

>>18239596
Like trying to have sex with imaginary people.

>>18239620
But those dreams just happen from time to time, I never noticed anything weird. Or maybe I'm missing something that's right in front of me.

>>18239625
If it happens on its own there was probably a good reason for it. Spending too much time asleep is another reason they might show up.

>>18237619
sort of. reality behaves as if we are in a digital universe or we have no way of explaining some specific interactions at the sub atomic level ect

odd orbital patterns of electrons for some elements is 1 example but many would look at the double slit experiments

the thing is people assume when you mention simulated reality/digital universe some one made it but the universe can come into being without any creator .much like life existing through chemistry doing what it does which is bond atoms inside the dirty lab that is our universe

the universe may have at a base level ended up digital instead of analog through some unknown process maybe even a similar bonding principle with actual matter as we are inside the digital universe

it could have taken a googleplex number of years but it could happen and for us we measure from the big bang which isnt even 1 tril years ago . its only 12-14 bil years ago depending on if you accept different observations. its a event inside the digital universe

from what we can see on our side through nothing more than basic thermodynamics, gravity and chemical bonding we end up with silicates , life , planets, solar systems, and stars that produce denser elements from simpler ones. on the outside in true reality there may be a billions actual elements with more complex interactions

>>18239644
so what your sayin is they got us all playing on the atari, why they play on the alienware 3000? really makes you think.

>>18239652
I want to play on that alien 3000.

>>18239644
Silicates and bioflavonoids. Dust in the wind.

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>>18239397
i thought it about being their version of mememagic. reality tv meming dumb people into existence. electioncampangeposters implenting the idea of the candidate of choice becomming president. maybe even pretelling stuff in mainstream media to make their tricks a bigger success like all the early showing of 9/11 you find like pic related, neos ID in the matrix
http://66.media.tumblr.com/50e109b8cdcb00a2020bcaa051a8c633/tumblr_muawpcx1cc1sd6ra5o2_540.jpg

and then there is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhWqfPeerbo
that one freaked some people out on /pol/ when talking about 9/11

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>>18239576

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while i was talking so much about the technological matrix i forgot another take on that.
look at pic related and learn how money is made (its long but i kept it pretty simple).

Now keep in mind every money is made by debt. so imagine the very first creation. no money in circulation yet. the money FED buys bonds, which makes the government indebted by the amount of money they get from the FED+ the interest on the loan so imagine the government lets the FED print 100 dollars, + 10% interest makes the government indebted by 110 dollars. so now they want to pay it back. so they give the 100 dollars back, but the 10 dollar are missing. the interest isnt printed, isnt in circulation. so spreading this thought a bit further and keeping in mind that every bit of money is made by debt means that when everyone pays back the debt all the money in circulation would vanish, but the interests would still be there. Now how can you pay off debt if not with money? By working. But it wasnt you that created the debt, it was the government. it wasnt you who wanted the government to create the debt. They never gave you any choice. And who goes all the interests to? To the banks. They indebted you and by doing that enslaved you and you became nothing more than a working force/battery in the social economical construct which is the matrix. people who dont realize that defend the system. they will rat you out when you try to change it and are all potential agents of the system.

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>>18238792
the learning a new word that pops up everywhere after not hearing it before ever i always found odd as well. the first few times i thought its just coincidence. at some point i thought my mind is playing tricks, now i dont know what to believe anymore

>>18239802
Pic actually seems plausible.
Fucking normies.

by the way, i had a theory some time i posted on /sci/ about how the doubleslit experiment could proof simulated reality. digg it up quick, should have saved the stuff somewhere (i should really stop making so many single post and start making multiple ones in a single post...) god dammit, the text is for some reason half deleted, then i have to type it again, god dammit. so here it goes
(starting in my next post since its too big)

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>>18239876

so you know that we percieve electrons as particles when we "look" at them, but if you shoot them through a double slit they behave like waves. but if you look at them while shooting them through the double slit they again act as particles. so what if electrons, when not looking at them look like the yellow stuff in pic related, but without the dots in the middle. now imagine them wobbling and morphin really really fast. like faster than light fast, or as fast as light. so these electron blobs have no solid form or structure and thus can seperate themselves from each other go through the slit which makes them behave like a wave. but when you look at them they have to be rendered. now this super quick morphing blob would take up too much processing power so they render it as an particle in place of the center of mass of the electron (approximitely where the dots in the yellow dots are).
Another take on this would be that the morphing is indeed quicker than light, but since "they" dont want us to percieve stuff quicker than light, or couldnt make us since its the renderspeed limit or something they made it so that we only percieve and electron at lightspeed instead of a blob going of lightspeed with parts of it breaking the limit like when the morph is stretching towards the front.
by performing the doubleslit experiment we found a bug in the programm. something we are not meant to percieve.
If this turns out to be real i still have to find a proper name for it. Thought of "Bug one" since it would be the first bug we saw, but i think you could find something better.

Of course I have absolutely no proof for that, but when I had that idea it just felt like some small enlightment and since then it stuck with me for some reason.

Also yes I know my MS Paint skills are absolutely awesome

im just bumping because i dont want that i have written my long ass text in vain

>>18239416
that was the only matrix image i had.

>>18239817
I'm gonna sell my trailer

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>>18239881
It's not actually in two states, the particles just oscillate.

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Mr.Andersen

All this talk about double slit, particles being waves etc. I raked my brain for a while - I probably wrong, but if you could prove it, I'd be grateful for learning something:

Do particles ever travel in a perfect line? And in a vacuum, aren't there still electromagnetic particles present? Have they tested the double slit in a pure vacuum? How is the double slit experiment not simply explained by saying "particles move like waves."

I get the scrodinglers cat part of it, but at the same time, That's philosophy, not science. Thinking about it, I don't see how you can even call a single particle a wave since my understanding of the textbook definition of wave is that a whole shitload of particles are involved. the mere process of shooting anything through a slit and capturing it with a recording device means you have altered the path of the particle (diffraction, deflection, etc)

Is it true that particles travel in perfectly straight lines?

>>18241337
Cuing dama lama ding

>>18239802
I find real players by parodying NPC's very closely, so closely they can't even tell I'm doing it - but reals can tell, if I notice they notice what I'm doing then I know they are real too and I know can talk to them.

I just want to know how to access the cheat codes if this is a simulation

>>18241513
Durgz

>>18241419
Bump?

If life is a sim, I have one question for our Creator:
WHY DID I GET STUCK IN THE BORING ASS CONTROL GROUP?!
God DAMN why couldn't I have been in one of those awesome fantasy worlds instead of this garbage.

>>18237699
The waking world is the dream and the dreams are the real world friend

>>18237619
No.

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>>18241337

Philosophy still thrives in 4chan. Too bad the visionaries are these guys....

>>18241462
Would there be npcs on this site?

>>18237619
yes and no
there is energy which makes up all, so in actuality not mater exists it is a construct of energy simulating physical features. we are not part of some matrix, but part of ones self simulated as multiple selves.
think of reality like someone lucid dreaming, and that someone is the though behind creation.

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>Altman
>Sam
>Altman

it's them running the stimulation of their ancestors. and they are the main characters, with us as the NPC's

>>18237796
nobody believes in a bearded man in the sky anymore
even Christians changed the way they see God
how retarded can you get?!

So long as you are at the level where you attempt to use simulated concepts to explain existence outside the simulation, it's pointless to even talk about the possibility.

>>18237619
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No, we don't live in a simulated reality, you idiot.

>>18242319
Good arguments, well debated

>>18237634
Someone needs to photoshop this so he is weari g a hawian shirt.
Just a thought. Could be funny. Worth a sensible chuckle. Wont really know until its been done

>>18242249
They are probably everywhere. Just think about the people people shouting the mainstreampropaganda hear. I came to believe propaganda is for the sole purpose of programming the NPCs.

>>18241000
How come they behave in different manners at the doubleslit experiment depending on beeing watched or not the ?

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>>18237634

How do you spot an NPC?

>>18242631
Look in the mirror.

>>18237775
This. Musk wants us to upload him because he wants to be a god. Nobody deserves to be uploaded, we just need to teach everyone critical thinking and destigmatize psychedelics.

>>18242961
We should push that autist from a cliff

>>18237619

YES. YES WE FUCKING DO.

The essence of us is not human. Our human bodies have a finite lifespan and they will expire. We watch this happen to others constantly (death).

What you fucking need to understand is that YOU ARE NOT THE BIOLOGICAL BODY that you are riding in right this very second. You are the one experiencing everything USING your body. You will continue to exist after your body dies. This is crucial if you ever want to leave this shitty place/frequency.

If you don't believe me, I don't give a fuck. You'll find out I speak the truth the moment your current "life" is over.

Think of everything in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration in your search for objective truth.

This push for "new" VR tech is one the building blocks for keeping us imprisoned here for as long as possible. The trans-humanist agenda is a massive scam that will be able to keep our spirit/consciousness/being inside a technological cloud. This would make future escape all but impossible, which was the point from the beginning.

Please do your own research and don't repeat other peoples' bullshit.

>>18237775
Why don't you just kill yourself then?

>>18243283

Why dont you just fucking kill youself so you can leave then?

>>18243292

The amount of suffering and misery here is absolutely insane. I want to spread truth to as many people as are interested, in an effort to empower them to leave if they choose to.

There are beings who work very hard to keep us here, feeling helpless, weak, and finite while we work as mere economic slaves, or be at the crushing end of the same system in extreme poverty.

I am also still gathering information. I know I am on the right track, but naturally I can't sit here and answer specific questions.

All I can say for sure is that we are dealing with beings that we cannot visibly observe while in a human body. Our vision has frequency limits, as well as our hearing, and yet we can still get fucked up by radiation and other forms of energy that we literally cannot perceive or feel at all. This should be a massive clue for everyone.

>>18243309
I feel your pain.

Good luck.

>>18239802
Sounds like an easy way for anons to delude themselves into thinking they're special.
"You're shallow and uninteresting, so you must be fake! I'm unique and enlightened because I have a soul/am redpilled/can see the reptillians."
It's just another strain of 8th grader syndrome. You're no more "real" than any of the other boring people on earth. If you want to be the Player Character, then get out there and do something about it. Have a fucking adventure.

>>18242618
They don't

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>>18243287
>>18243292
Do you just sit waiting to reply to people without posting anything constructive, or attempting to establish any dialogue?

Why don't you kill YOUR self

>>18243821
That's an NPC bro, don't waste your time.

most of the latest studies that have come out suggest that we probably are not in a simulated universe.
i cant really link you any articles though because i get most of my info from my physicist and astrophysicist friends. It used to be a very hot topic among physicists.

>>18243835
Hah no u

>>18237619
"Simulations & Simulacra" is pretty interesting

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>implying the film "The Matrix" is not reptilian propaganda

Sure those Wachowski faggots enjoyed lizard dick spreading their holes in exchange for spreading their lies. Good job on the directing and cinematography though, but I had to complain about the following:
-fight scenes looked cheap
-forgettable members of the ship crew
-Neo, for being the chosen one savior is a fucking airhead
-soulless A.I. became conscious (not possible), played the scapegoat role

>>18239460

Indeed it was a hallucination, but what exactly is reality?

I was with my girlfriend at the time, she was tripping with me. When i went into my solo trip into that dimension/whatever-the-fuck-it-was i could hear the weirdest tone fluctuations, like something out of a synthesizer. Once i was kicked out of the trip my girlfriend looked at me intensely and asked me what the fuck that sound was.

Now unless i was fucking possessed by daftpunk and they took control of my larynx while i was out, i have no way to explain what happened.

One thing I can't stand is 'quantum immortality'
Everytime you die your consciousness moves to a universe where your death was a near miss. What happens if you're in a car flying off a cliff? You 'snap' out of it just before you fall off and survive? Say you get in a shootout with the police, you jump a bunch of universes with near misses then what? You hide in an alley and your 3 stars go away? What happens when you get old? It's an idiotic theory and I laugh when people talk about it on /x/

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>>18238765
If you don't see The Code, you are simulation as well.

>>18245758
I wrote the part of the code where you and your kind were the offshoot shitstain of the superior ones.

Ladyboys are all so cute and sweet.
I would love to hang out at the mall with one and get cute confectionery treats.

Have you guys ever played a game in which the characters become self aware and then attempt to exit the game through your tv?

no.

Now extrapolate that. We are not in a simulation. we are not in a video game. Wanna know how I know? Because were talking about it. If we where in a simulation, we wouldnt know about it. This is just us humans continuing to understand our existence.

Good night, senpai.

>>18237619
Wouldnt trying to escape be bad? This isnt a movie like the Matrix. We could break something bad and fuck everything up, God might have to reboot his computer.

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This is relevant: The Resolution Conundrum.

In short, most simulations would not be created in base reality - they'd be created in other simulations. If we are in a simulation, then chances are it is a simulation within a simulation within a simulation... and so on. Go far enough down the chain, and the resolution would probably coarsen, like shitty graphics. An infinite progression of simulations within simulations would still need to be powered by base reality. Unless base reality has infinite energy or something, there would most likely be power constraints.

In other words, most simulations would end up looking like Minecraft.

>http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2016/08/22/maybe-we-do-not-live-in-a-simulation-the-resolution-conundrum/

>>18245815
>Unless base reality has infinite energy
Nailed it.

Also, you just completely explained How different dimensions work.

>>18245815

What if our reality does look like minecraft....\
...and we just dont know any different....?
fuck, guys

>>18245815
if you play minecraft for any length of time, you get used to the clunky imagery.

if we don't have any outside world to compare the simulation to, why would the coarseness make much of a difference to us?

>>18245976
some people who have experience with healing their denseness with entheogenic medicine have seen subtler things than this illusionary world

>>18237619
My question is, if we do, do the people in the real reality have to put up with these faggot conspiracy theories by schizophrenic movie fans too? We get it you have de-realization, good for you, but, some of us got over their existential crises by learning to not give a shit and we don't crap up /x/ about it.

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>>18245991
>but we crap up /x/ about not crapping up /x/ about it

>>18245995
This is actually my first time bringing it up, if I came in here to point out that you're idiots on a regular basis that would apply but I don't so, it doesn't.
Here's where I'm bothered, it's just a damn stupid idea and as a thought experiment it leads nowhere. Seriously, if this isn't reality, we can't do anything about it so we just have to deal with it. Philosophically you're all just dry jerking eachother to Duran Duran and the farm'ers almanac, it's not only retarded but it's tacky.

>>18246006
sorry you aren't turned on, senpai

>>18246008
what is the word that is being filtered to senpai? can you spell it with hyphens or something?

>>18246010
"senpai"

>>18245828
>Also, you just completely explained How different dimensions work.

I don't think you're qualified to judge that, no offense. Nobody knows if this is base reality, or, if not, what base reality is like.

>>18245831
>What if our reality does look like minecraft....\
>...and we just dont know any different....?
>>18245976
>if you play minecraft for any length of time, you get used to the clunky imagery.

If this theory is correct, yet we are still living in a simulation, then there would almost certainly be other simulations much more detailed than ours. The point of the article, I think, is that most would be less fine-grained though. Our reality might be coarser than some other, higher reality - but it's still quite a bit more detailed than it needs to be in order to simply appear "real."

>>18246014
oh, you were literally writing senpai.
That's gay.

>>18242775
Aye we got ourselves a Descartes here.

It's basically a paradox because the maths this is based off is the maths of our own universe, if there was one that creates this one the same maths wouldn't apply. When in reality we cannot make any assumptions at all of a reality that creates ours, we don't know the same laws of physics apply, naught.

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>>18246317

Just as /v/ created the woohead trend of Reptilian aliens infiltrating our society so too did the Matrix create the woohead notion of simulated reality.

>>18246388
That was an illusion, wise guy. You were actually dreaming.

>>18246006
if this isn't reality, we can't do anything about it so we just have to deal with it.
Just because its a sinulation its doesnt mean it isnt real see
>>18237934
>>18237945
( starts somewhere in the middle of the first post)

Additionally when we live a simulation we might be able to exploit it. Just as an npc at times walks through a closed door we could maxbe do the same. Just as NPCs occasionnaly dissappear and appear somewhere else, we night could do the same. Just as an npc sometimes to be invulnerable we could be that maybe as well. We just need to find out how

>>18246574
by your very definition reality doesn't exist, get better terms and stop misusing english or just go buy a fucking turtleneck and become a nihilist already, at least it sounds better then "I believe in what they told me on The Matrix"

>>18237619
The simulation theory is probably the most acceptable *right now* since we can't comprehend the origins of the universe (if there are any). Put some beings or forms of consciousness that created us as a software for example, that leads to them residing in their own universe possibly with completely different laws for everything, a space where everything makes sense, it's just difficult to fathom but it would fill the holes.

>>18246588
I never said i believe it, only that i think it os possible and theorized the possibillities that could open and some philosophy wether or not it would still be real.

If you dont like my english than how about discussing it in my native tounge, german. I can elaborate myself better in that, but i somehow doubt you are able to speak anything else

>>18246645
Actually your English is great, I was more referring to the general populace of simulation theorists or whatever you would call them, they use the exact same terms of reality and simulation. Matrixites?

>>18246660
So your problem is that we say that a simulated reality is still real, or that some people imply that simulated reality is the absolute truth?
The thirst thing i think i covered already. The existence of a different reality doesnt make this one any less real. For the second one thats an issue for every kond of believe. Philosophical, religious, political or even scientific. If people believe something they tend to believe that ots absolute, without a doubt, and everyone not seeing it that way is blind to the truth. Its not about the simulated reality theory, but with people

>>18246678
The first one. I don't exactly consider a simulation to be the opposite of reality but it's definately not in the category of reality either. Once that is stripped away and the simulation could be reality while still being a simulation thats where I start thinking new terms should be used
Now that I'm kinda thinking about it while writing it's a lot like a poor man's string theory. Or like shining mirrors into eachother.

>>18246695
also forgot I was tripfagging for a one off gag

For the sake of discussion, let's make 3 assumptions.
1. Humanity, when sufficiently advanced, would be interested in running simulations of it's own history
2. Accurately simulated beings would be sentient
3. Humanity will survive to such a point in time to allow for this depth of simulation

If these things are true, it's not only possible, but overwhelmingly likely that we are living in a simulation. One single simulation covering history up to this point means there's a 50% chance we're in the simulation. For such a hypothetical future humanity, there wouldn't simply be one.

>>18246695
Yeah, but we lack the vocabar to describe it accuratly since its a new theory and didnt develope new terms, so we have to use the inaccurate ones which are the best we have. And while it is definitely not the "real reality" if this is a simulation, it would still be real for us since it is all we ever experienced which makes it real for us. After all those in the higher reality might be in a simulation either, but so their reality is as real as ours. When we once are able to exit this simulation, or enter another than it is up to debate which one is realer, but as long as we are stuck here its all we experience and thus real, just as those other beings experience their "real reality"

>>18237651
I've been thinking alot about this and I think we are not living in a simulated world.

>>18246725
thread/

>>18238765
What makes you think the simulation is videogame tier?
If anything it's probably a physics sim.

What if the big bang was literally reality_344324242034.exe being fired up?
It would mean we are all just simulated particle interactions.

You are as real as I am, and we are as real as the sand is.

>>18246895
Don't you think that future us would have the decency of not putting us through this just for the sake of a history sim?

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I'm basically an atheist, taking a scientific view of things. The idea that we live in a simulation is disconcerting to me. There seem to be scraps of evidence for this idea that I can understand, like a maximum speed, a minimum length, indivisible particles, and so on, which could be programmed into the universe to make computing the simulation more manageable. So it's not something that can be fully discredited simply by pointing to a lack of evidence.

If the hypothesis of a simulated universe is correct, it opens up more questions than it does answers. The materialistic part of me says that when I die, my consciousness will cease to exist, and my body will be cremated. It's easy for me to say that I won't be thinking anymore because I think my brain is where my consciousness happens. But in a simulated universe, a lack of a life after death is not guaranteed. Our programmer could be cruel, like a Sims player who pulls the ladder from the pool. The programmer could conjure up an eternal Hell for any simulated consciousness who doesn't meet certain criteria, much like the God of the Old Testament. The demands of any one religion could be necessary to avoid this simulated punishment. Maybe someone walked into the programmer's bedroom, saw the simulation of millions of the Damned burning in lava, and told him it was disgusting and that's why we've got Christianity as an easier way into Heaven. The programmer could even suspend the rules temporarily to allow for some actual miracles. That way we've basically got no excuse to not follow his demands, even if we're only hearing them through thousands of years' worth of the telephone game.

There's a lot of baseless speculation on my part, with little evidence. I still find it a disconcerting alternative to a materialistic viewpoint.

>>18245815
>and the resolution would probably coarsen, like shitty graphics.
Not necessarily.

The new layer of simulation would only perceive as fast as its cycled. You could run Crysis on a digital watch, have 1 frame per 20 years, and the local simulation(on the watch) would never know. Only the outside simulation would perceive the lag.

If everything updates once a second, the simulated observer would also update once a second, perceiving the updates as real time.

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>>18246906
What if they dont know we have a conciousness? What if they think everything we do is just a script executed by some npc. Just like we think the npc in our games do. What if that is already a reality, by writing a script we dont create a chain of commands but a personality which lets the npc choose on its own, but based on the personality of the script. If they choose differently though a bug appears and their personality has to be adjusted. Yes we say to the npc "go there. Do that." But what if in their realm it is "i now go there to do that so i accomplish that goal of mine"? their personality a lot simpler, with time flowing differently for them and a lot simpler personality.
What if its the same for us?

>>18246901
>if the big bang happened, simulation
>if this is true reality there was no beginning or end and hawking's favorite plothole couldn't have happened

Where are we supposed to escape to? Are these people working on the assumption we have bodies outside, and we aren't just a part of the code?

>>18246931
We could quite literally be a side effect of our parent layer of reality trying to figure out what their supposed big bang did through a simulation. They might not even know we exist.
Fuck, we could even be a side effect of a hyper advanced physics simulation used to design cars. : ^ )

One day we could all just cease to exist because they gathered the information they needed and ended the program.

They might have infinite simulations running sentient life, and they might not even give a fuck and end it just like that.

>>18237788
Exactly, the universe is designed so well that less than one octillionth of it is habitable to humans. This is what theists tell themselves so they can feel like believing in something that's logically impossible is reasonable?

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>>18239620
Like this?

>>18246950
>Exactly, the universe is designed so well that less than one octillionth of it is habitable to humans.
I thought atheists didn't think we should be so human-centric, and that things being scarce makes them more valuable? I frequently see atheists say it's good that there's no afterlife, since it makes life precious. Doesn't the fact that there are so few habitable planets make Earth precious? Maybe we wouldn't appreciate Earth if there were infinite other Earths?

>This is what theists tell themselves so they can feel like believing in something that's logically impossible is reasonable?
There's no logical difference between God creating the universe and some other intelligent being creating a "simulation" of a universe. In both cases, you end up with a universe that was intelligently designed.

>>18237619
S-Sauce on that original pic without the edits?

>>18246906
So your rather have just never been born? Given the chance, your rather send us all to oblivion and spare us out existence?

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Hu, uhm Matrix dudes. Can I, like, get my "has sex with a new girl" variable counter upped by like... 200-300 a year? And "confidence" upped by like, ohh lets say 60%?

That'd be great, thanks.

Currently they're at 0. Must be a little oversight. Thanks, haha.

If we are, can we crash it?

>>18247072
just google "matrix background" and put in your preferred resolution. It was literally on every teenager's desktop in the early 00's

>>18247141
Sure you can this ability has been nerfed after 10 years you have super stds like antibiotic resistant gonnorea and syphilis, as well as herpes and aids. Enjoy the game!

>>18237863
I just had my tooth extracted I got me some weak ass norcos...

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>>18247204
I can live with these debuffs. What's the worst that can happen. The wiki says its all in game bullshit anyway that gets cancelled by other buffs anyway.

>>18247212
didnt you read the disclaimer?

Herpes (like a diamond) is forever

>>18247193
No I meant.... sauce on the grill.

>>18247240
But I can cancel the mental debuffs of having an STD by having more sex!

>>18247243
Google "ginger girl with big boobies". There's your source you fucking retard. Like a million sources.

How is this one girl so fucking important Jesus Christ I'll never get people like you.

>>18247248
Christ, calm down. You know you didn't need to reply, you fucking autist.

>>18247256
Dipshit.

>>18247260
Cunt.

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>>18237619
If we had enough computational power and the right interface, we already know enough about the building blocks of our existence to make a small scale accurate simulation of life on earth. Atoms and a fair bit of their behavior can be simulated. Brains are already being reverse engineered and simulated by super computers.

I wouldn't say it would be a stretch to assume that within the next couple of centuries we will have simulations of our world that are indistinguishable from reality, and if WE can do that, then the chance that the existence we live and live in being simulation in of itself goes way, way up.

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>>18247248
>>18247256
>>18247288
None of these guys have been me >>18247193

If you perfectly simulate a consciousness, would it be sentient like us? Most here would say yes. What happens if you pause the simulation for years, and then continue? That being would not be aware of time having passed. What if you duplicate it in it's entirety? Neither duplicate would be aware. Simulations aren't the cause of sentience; they're windows to sentient minds. Everything from actual physics down to the reactions and interactions of our brains are manifestations of mathematical truths, and exist regardless of their current manifestation. Just as 2+2 is always 4, your thought patterns and you, yourself, always exist, as an expression of basic mathematic principles. Our entire universe is, in every sense, a fractal. An expression of math in an infinitely complex form. Our experiences are just a single, infinitesimal fragment of this fractal universe, yet still infinitely complex. So, are we in a simulation? That's the thing. It doesn't matter in any way, because our existence isn't intrinsically connected to our manifestation in relation to the whole of existence.

>>18238004
that verse isn't referring to humans anon. It's referring the the spirits in high places and the Divine Council...

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>>18238004
>sons of the Most High

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>>18237619
I've thought about this a lot, and the thing is, we have no way of knowing. I would just believe in what you want and carry out life.

>>18239641
I tried meditating in a dream after going livid. The dream stopped and two people in lab coats calmly escorted me out a room. I was never scared but i couldbt actually physically resist. They just guided me out like a bouncer would when you are a bit too drunk but not a threat.

Used to go lucid all the time and fly n shit...but found it hard since then...never even heard of dream police before, is this them?..they seemed quite nice desu

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>>18237619

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>>18249372

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>>18237700
source?

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>>18249511

Everything already happened

We are just observing "What if" and "Why"

We will eventually wake up in the real world and just be

The question is: Are we part of infinity i.e. multiverse, or just this one universe? (the term universe as in existence). Another possibility is that multiverses are intervening in and appearing in/as one universe.

>>18249263
Sounds like it. I heard one guy say his dream people would poke his eyes so he closed them and woke up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjMCaw4qzjg

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Third Dimension: Look away from the computer screen
Second Dimension: The computer screen.
First Dimension: ???
>Most can't think of it, or have never given it any thought aside from an infinitely thin line.

>The answer is either a horizon or binary code. You're welcome.

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>>18237619
The question is if we do live in a simulated reality how does the creator of this simulation know they are not also in a simulated reality?

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>>18249615
Because a tree cannot grow without a root. (Or a seed, for our prim fellows)

Causality.

>>18249612
Dick?

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>>18249615
Because you can't simulate ussssssssssss.
Infinity.
The Serpent.
God.

>>18249819
Of course, because simulating something makes a simulation. If you are a simulation of something real, and someone simulates that, they have a simulation.

>>18239575

Good point.

>>18237619

I mean, logically, if we as humans can reach the point where we can create a simulation with artificial intelligence that believes it is living in reality (and guys like Elon Musk don't think that is far off), then there is no reason why it hasn't already happened in the past, and we are living in their simulation. For all we know, we are literally a couple megabytes on some 400lb dude's flash drive

>>18238777
This is the correct answer.

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>>18249375

Come on man, we're smarter than this, right?

>>18252597
Please dont bring up musk. That guy is a scam. Him talking about it actually makes me think we dont live in one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QrWVDtQgf28
Check 15:10. its getting dark in the beginning is normal, because of the bright flames, but even when the flames left the frame its still dark. When shot further away its still dark, and 1:30 min after take off even the commentators said "the sun set several minutes ago" even though it was still bright the moment before take off. My guess the first time it was edited the right way, after the cut some other guy took on the work, saw it is dark at the end and continued that, and the announcer had to go with it

the fractality of existence

as above so below

its a simulation in a simulation in a simulation

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>>18252699

>>18252699
Ad infinitum.

>>18237734
oh stfu trying to be all cryptic and mystic

>>18253044
Windows 10 kek

This question is utterly meaningless. Even if we were. It wouldn't matter as long as it still FEELS real. Reality is subjective in the end.

>>18237619
yes we live in a simulated reality. It's all ruled and controlled by a giant octopus like creature with infinite tentacles and a single giant eye. it commands an army of insect like ultraterrestrial demon like aliens.

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>>18253197
And it loves us!

This thread is kill, because no one answered my post

>>18253205
That is correct, it has an ultra high sex drive and is motivated primarily by rape.

>>18241462
i do this too, i act like a normie until someone that isn't one calls me out , knowing that im bullshitting.

>"i know you don't actually believe that"

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>>18253221
It's not rape, if it convinces you that you asked for it.

>>18246929
Wow future us is pretty dumb if they don't realize their creation has gained sentience, are they not watching us???? you would think posts like this would tip them off

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>>18246725
That's not a simulation though. You're using the wrong word. The word you want is "emulation."

And whether it's an emulation or not is pointless, since from the emulation's point of view, it's identical with the real thing. It wouldn't actually be an accurate historical representation if there were differences from the real thing. That would be a simulation instead.

Simulations are down ressed, incomplete versions of the real thing. If it were a simulation, there would be ways to tell. Thus the probability of this being a simulation drops to 50%, since if you can tell that it is, then it wasn't a very convincing emulation. But if you can't tell that it is, then it's not a simulation, it's actually the real thing.

So, you tell me. Is reality really real?

You think this shit wasn't philosophized ages ago, before computers? Except they called them plays, not simulations. Because their version of simulacrum was fabricated stories, on stage sets.

Anyways, the nature of quantum mechanics implies it would take no less than an infinite window of time to accurately capture a full spectrum frequency analysis of even a limited section of space. Thus the idea of accurately emulating a historical period with technological instruments is implicitly hopeless. Only in your dreams, pal.

What you're talking about is the way consciousness can take a look at similar situations, and learn from those, without having to experience them first hand. That's not "reality is a simulation." That's, "welcome to being sentient." That's "consciousness is amazing, isn't it?" Now, from this point onward you can put yourself into any situation that reminds you of what you wish a historical representation of this time period would be like. You can imagine what future historians will think about our generation. But, that's still just your imagination.

An imagination that may or may not be an accurate emulation of reality, but that's what imagination is. Neat, huh?

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>>18253210
How could we possibly? Its up to what you believe. Id we could give a definite answer with proof we would be famous

simulation is just kind of the moniker for saying the way we perceive. in hand proof or even theory of a possible alternative besides physical death doesnt exist. I will say we are trapped here and will never be happy until there are several other alternatives. without exploration we lose purpose

>>18239802
this is wrong, if you believe in christian god then you have the power to deliver unto every man his soul

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here is a thought i just had what if its not a simulation by a computer, but more a thought, imagination, or dream, by some higher being.
so far we thought if this isnt the "real" reality, the "real" reality would be much more complicated, and mysterious and everything. however if its the thought/imagination/dream it could be the opposite. When you dream, you experience worlds different from ours. sometimes you can fly, can walk through stuff, have magic and everything you can imagine. so if this right here is everything the upper beings can imagine their reality is probably much more simpler/boring than ours since ours contains everything they have + what they can imagine. now if those creatures are just the same there is another being with an even more boring world and so on. until there is maybe some being in a 1 dimensional world imagining the 2nd dimension, and how beings can be there which again dream of another world which other beings and so on until we get to us again. and probably its the same for our thoughts and imagination.

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>>18253647

Great post.